I was nervously checking my name over there lol . Looks like I am not in there :) Does that mean my bot is doing a good job ?


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Ah, those were the good old days weren't they?  I kind of miss all of the referee drama from time to time.  Thanks for pulling these stats together.  Very interesting stuff!  If it makes you feel better I will call you some names just for old times sake :)

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Maybe the maximum amount of self votes should be hard coded so this discussion wouldn't be never ending like it is today. Just an idea :)

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I remember those posts in sports and the arguments that followed. The problem for many users is the understanding of being part of a community. In sports we had the scorum community join in and to be fair had no clue. On Hive before the tribes emerged it was frowned upon to self vote. I think with Leo's value rising like it has the same thing is now emerging as you can't hide away like you used to.

I never self-voted and then got chastised for not voting for myself (by people who are self voters) I did it a couple of times and Asher punished me in the Engagement League and I didn't get rewarded... Ah, so... there is a right way/wrong way. 

I just feel like I shouldn't be patting myself on the back. The testosterone around here is making me sweat. :))

Being with HIVE for more than 4 yrs, spending at least 2 hours daily on HIVE and projects around HIVE to support the quality and growth of the platform, service and community, I still wonder why so many users think their actions have some sort of value, while they, in essence, prevent HIVE and LEO and all the other blogging services and tokens in our ecosystem to prosper and gain traction in the market. 

It is 100% clear to me, self voting is counterproductive. Small accounts earn nothing (cents) anyway, so why adopting self voting? Large accounts have to set an example, create a culture of what it means to be a community, ie self voting is not setting the right example. Sure, some more money will flow into the users own pocket and when being a large account, this may be a considerable amount of dollars, but these dollars will not flow towards those smaller accounts that make a lot of effort to produce great content, engage the shit out of everything and eventually leave the platform again because they feel their time and attention is and stays undervalued. Seen this at HIVE coming and going in waves last so many years. Have seen so many great content creators leave. Have seen so many great engagers leave. Tried to move some of them from Steem to HIVE back in the days, and they never came to HIVE, since they didn't see the point to stick to Steem anyways, why try HIVE? I truly hope, LEO is not moving in the same direction. Am not too active in LEO lately, but it worries me I'm reading posts of active LEO users about their lack of attention they get, some of them stating they will reduce the quality of their post so they can spend less time creating them.

And what do we earn with our own vote at LEO anyways? 50% for the content owner and 50% curation. This is what, 40% or 50% APR when voting one our own posts? And half of it when we vote for other users posts? So, for 20% to 25% of our total LEO stake added to our own pockets on a yearly bases we believe this is the way to go? In crypto, 25% gain of a token is nothing. Why not support a culture so that the LEO token gains an extra 100% because the LEO service is seen by the outside world as a super cool blogging service? We just need outsiders to invest a bit in LEO, and the LEO token value moves up with double-digit or even triple-digit percentages. No self voting can ever result in more value for any users, whether being a small fish or a gigantic whale.

Another topic that I don't get my head around: The same authors in the top/popular list every single day. Sure, most of these authors produce great content, no doubt about that. But isn't this boring and internal focussed for anybody from outside (and inside) LEO to see most of the post being about LEO and the projects of LEO? Though I'm not a frequent user of Twitter, my Twitter feed which is about crypto is much more dynamic than the one on LEO. And you know what? Lately, I spend more time on Twitter than LEO, for that reason only. Don't you think what I do, others won't do as well? And what about people from outside LEO? I don't have numbers, I didn't analyse anything, but it makes much sense to me when an outsider looks at the main landing page at LEO, that person will think again before even considering creating an account and start blogging and engaging in the LEO community. I know for a fact, if I wasn't with HIVE for this long, I wouldn't start with LEO (or HIVE) looking at how not dynamic the community seems to be. 

This comment may not make me popular in the LEO community, but I don't care. I'm not married to LEO and can spend my time somewhere else as well. Not that I want to do so, since its for a reason why I'm still with HIVE (and LEO) after more than 4 years. And as you can see in my blog channel, it's not about the money I earned, since that is pocket money. I truly believe what Steem started back in the days is something great. Because of Steem, we now have gazillion reward-based social media, which is a plus. But what I believe, the entire reward structure needs a complete overhaul. As well as the idea of quite a few users and project owners, to onboard users based on rewards for content. That message we shall delete from our vocabulary, completely!  REwards based blogging services will only work when we great a true community culture where money is not an object at all. We need to feel we like to be with HIVE and LEO for whatever reason, but money. We need to feel all we do is not just for ourselves, but for all of us. When we can get that culture established, the token values will go through the roof as a result.

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cyber racist :P


i may have created something new :p For me, as i have said countless times there needs to be some balance. If you self vote one of your posts even 2 daily that's ok, it's your money. At the same time you may interact with others and vote a bunch of other posts as well.

Now if you make 5-6 posts and upvote them all especially with a vote that worth a lot and at the same time you don't vote others (or only 2-3 friends) then there is a problem.

It's not that easy though to make assumptions because we don't know of the situation or the mindset. Someone may face economical difficulties and by self-voting he can help himself or his family. Another one may not have that much free time. So it's really hard for me to start accusing people without clear "proof"

Now what i try to do is write max 2 posts per day (95% of the time is 1 post), i upvote myself and then i try to interact with others and upvote their posts/comments. My vote is currently worth close to 20 cents so that means i earn 10 cents with my full vote. Even if i earned 10$ i would still 100% upvote myself both because i deem my posts worth that much and i put a lot of effort into creating them and because my wallet is empty in real life :P 

10$ is my limit though, i won't self-vote with more than that, but that's me. If someone follows all the "good" things from above i don't care even if he self-votes with a 50$. 

Now if we continue this and say ok, we need to distribute the upvotes "fairly", how can we deem which post deserves it? Everyone votes with their own criteria. Let's say someone upvotes me with 20$, another may think that my post is actually worth 0. 

Many don't even check what they vote as well, i mean the context. They may know the author so "ahh ok a post from, it will be totally good" and upvote it. Heck even if i write a post, then copy it and instead of publishing it, told to a known author to do it from his profile instead of me, i bet he will receive the same rewards :P  

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Once again I fail to make it to your list. I am starting to think in your scripts you have a special exclude section for me.

I'm proud to see that I'm distributing my vote nicely. At least I assume I am since I don't appear in the table.

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Great article, being new to Leo I learned a lot, thank you :-D

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Damn racist cyber bully!! You'll get yours. You see if you don't!! Why I oughtta....

Sometimes its easy to forget that the community is for the community by the community. The more diverse these votes are, the more distributed the tokens will be which is just healthy. Truth is some may have made favorite friends which obviously influence their votes for them, I don't think that's wrong. 

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