How to avoid it being treated as a bid bot:


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I mean, I've been fairly vocal about my dislike of bid bots and why we were forced to create something like it back in that era that was more fair with a curated list of authors that were allowed to use it, guaranteed ROI for them and no cut being taken by us. So for what its worth our intentions are in no way meant for it to be used like one so the content will depend quite a lot on it and maybe it will make more use of fair downvotes at the same time if curators are trying to maximize on such posts.

Think of it this way, how many good posts back in the day (even though I know there weren't many) used bid bots and had great content so people didn't mind and even added more votes on top despite them trending due to bid bots. I remember there being some I voted either way even though abuse was rampant of garbage content at the time so as long as the wisdom of the crowd are being fair towards the content, i.e. not downvoting it just because it's using reward.app and not upvoting it just because it's using reward.app but instead downvoting and upvoting based on content then it should be a fun experiment to see what it leads to and how it can improve the current downsides of the EIP that I mentioned in the post of how curators are maximizing with their votes right now.

Anyway, like many other services on Hive it's good that the maintenance costs aren't so high and the fees can be low. Will definitely consider creating a poll at some point to see if people prefer 50/50 (hbd + hivepower) instead of all liquid by default.

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I'm just not sure about the term curator I guess. I do a lot of voting, but I don't go out of my way to vote specific content from specific authors at specific times, I just kind of still random vote on things I like. So I am not really a curator. I do, I suppose, get a better return on my vote if a person used the reward.app, but I am still not sure about that.

I have a hard time also with the terms vote buying. Is an author having to pay for the reward.app service? Do you give say 10 Hive in hopes of getting back 20 Hive?  If it is just setting a few check boxes to give funds away, how is that vote buying? Even though I read through the post, (not fully understanding it), I did not see where an author sends them any money to get extra votes.

I use, and a lot of others use various tags that have a tendency to draw in a few more votes such as gems, oc, ocd, and there are other tags that do the same. Am I or others that use those tags buying votes? 

If I understand the reward.app correctly all it really is is a blind/hidden tag that gives a little extra back to the people that vote on the post, and that those funds are coming out of what the Author would have received anyway, no real extra reward total.

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I like your ability to be sincere and put the well being of the community on top of your own posts.Few people would have this strenght of character.I admire it Asher. To be able to tell I do well enough and own it....Nice!

I’m just not a fan of: 
1. Entrusting others with my post rewards.
2. Having to pay a premium for votes.

This all leads down a road many of us where not happy with before with paying for votes. Not to mention it adds further risk to the author with them needing to trust someone else that they will get their post rewards paid back.  

I could understand if someone needed the liquid rewards shorter and din't want to power down so they use a service like this and just make a couple of posts. 


However what happens if 50% of the reward pool is now being set to a single account? They sure would not have the liquid to be able to honor paying out right away. Yet, once votes are added in that alone could encourage a large amount of users who plan on powering it all up anyways to just use it. 

I’ve been looking at reward.app’s memos 😬 🙊 

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Lol, I like taraz's idea of the random lotto post thing.

I don't see anything wrong with it, I have been a big fan of the slider idea for the amount of curation rewards you would like to put on a post's payout and this is precisely that although a bit more manual.

I had assumed that payouts were automated but the @reward.app wallet has some long gaps between payouts and then a bunch in quick succession which would seem to indicate a manual process.

The easiest way around the whole vote buying thing is to not incentivize upvotes with monetary value past what is specifically dictated by the blockchain.

Personally I think it should be allowed at the blockchain level to be able to set the author/curator reward more infavor of curators on post creation if a author so chooses.

So long as people are fine with allowing people to reward curators, the problem is it'll still look like 'vote buying' (in the eyes of some) as you are always going to have the maximizers trying to get every penny of ROI. This can't be helped and a majority of people will use it to reward curators more and receive less.

The only people who really benefit from this are curators and people looking for maximum ROI. You can't stop the max ROI people at all. They automate everything anyway. So might as well let people have a choice in the distribution on their posts if they choose to receive less.

Alternatively, tip/upvote everyone that comments and get those curators commenting for better rewards =p

There will be other options coming as well I am pretty sure that give a wider range of possibilities as well as being able to "hide" the percentages and the like, making frontrunning harder.