Is OCDB for everyone to join For free ?
If yes, then send me the link.

Hey Acid. I only use you guys and it helps me grow. I never even get close to the maximum bid which is a bummer, but it is great for accounts like myself. I see the 10 percent as gold dust and is now part of my growth strategy. Thanks for this great initiative and look forward to how it evolves in the future.

I think you doing right in your ideas and actions to not allow bid bot stacking. In principle I'm against bid bots for reasons we've seen the whole rewarding in the community changed since. Maybe it would have changed anyway, but since the bid bots are a major influence to reward distribution and a larger part of the daily Steem is directed towards the bid bot owners and indirectly to those who delegate their SP, it is harming the community and in the end also the Steem value and the blockchain. Unfortunately the developers didn't build in a mechanism to prevent bots. I really love what OCDB is doing, distributing Steem to the 'good' content. Something we need more of. Some other curator teams are out there, but too few in my honest opinion. I certainly hope, OCDB can grow again as a team allowing to spread value to more authors.

I can understand that it feels like being abused if people try to use ocbd to minimize the risk by using bidbots!
Also understandable that for the moment only English is the only language which is curated!
Waiting that the white list will be open again or on visit of ab ocdb curator!
Cheers,
Peter

Thank you for the transparency/thoughts/concerns regarding the OCDB curation project. 

I'll share my opinion regarding bid bot stacking. This is the opinion of someone who is not on the whitelist, but given the fact that you mention there will be possible opportunities in the future for people to have a chance, I will share how I think.

I've been thinking quite a bit lately on the bid bot/fixed rate bot topic, and I've never had a more sour taste about them. I myself am guilty of using them in the past, but in my own defense, was a bit naive to the system and have made it a point to learn and understand the dynamics on a deeper level. So here is my opinion:

OCDB is an honor, and should be treated as such. I don't think it would be unreasonable to have a strict policy regarding this. Perhaps 1 warning, then a removal from the list if ignored. If the honor of being added to this list is unrecognizable by some, then perhaps they don't need to be on the list to begin with. No question in my mind some of the whitelisted are gamers, I make it a point to study them. 

Anyways, this substantially addresses the topic I think, as far as my opinion is concerned. Thank you for allowing the community to share their thoughts @acidyo, you are appreciated.

You've already made this all clear before. But it's important to say it more than once, because not everyone has read about it.

There are cases where stacking isn't necessarily as bad. Lets say that I launched a project and I wanted to get it out there to as many people as possible. Using OCDB as one of the bots would mean that I wouldn't lose as much money ensuring that it got to trending.

I think that perhaps you should allow stacking, on an approved basis only. Such cases are relatively rare. Hell, such cases are rare enough it's probably one of those few times where you can ask your friends for help and they wouldn't mind.

@soyrosa's idea is another option, or an option in addition to my own, because maybe adding a few bucks with OCDB in addition to other bots isn't that big of a deal, if it's limited, especially if it's a really important or really good post. Perhaps OCDB needs a written rules list, with a disclaimer with specific limits when dealing with other bid bots. You could easily set up an alert for when people buy votes with other bots, to manually curate them, or reverse the vote. Maybe put a disclaimer that if you stack votes, OCDB has a right to refuse to upvote, or even reverse the vote. I might be one of the only ones, but I think it's perfectly acceptable to have the vote purchase non-refundable if the bot has already voted.

Of course...that's kinda what markymark got in trouble with... But it's crypto...you need to realize that when you send money, it's final. There are tons of times when big companies just take your money, and there's no recourse, because what are you gonna do? Sue them for $50?

Would you think @tipu is maybe a non profit bot? I think that @cardboard doesn't take any profit

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Hi @acidyo... thank you for interesting post. How i can join in there OCDB or OCD ( to be whitelist). Thank you Very much

No doubt that @ocdb is doing a great job in helping authors to earn a little extra than the intended reward a little extra 10% - 25% = -15% from the original reward after deducting curation reward. Now I am solely using @ocdb as a boost for my post and make good use on my idle Steem and SBD. It is just like a cycle and once I stacked enough of them, I will reuse it again. That is one way I look at the method of usage of the bank.

As for abusing, it is hard to track unless with the help of the community to supervise each other for not doing so. Fortunately, most of the authors in @ocd are really good and produce constant quality content rather than spamming. Respect the community and hope it will grow even larger :)

If the goal of @ocdb is to improve stake distribution on Steem in the long run and rewarding for original quality content while at it, then excluding bid bot stackers is the right move. It's a very simple matter.

Your Engagement on Steem Blockchain is **awesome**: in my opinion bid bots are the biggest problem of our platform and if you/we are able to find a solution to them, it is great!!!
Your curation system for only English language is not so bad: you leave an open door for the other language and a curation system for all the users. So it is not a definitive _"No"_, but it sounds more like _"Not now!_
I explained some days ago my will to became a curator for [@ocd](https://steemit.com/@ocd) and [@ocdb](https://steemit.com/@ocdb). I am following a lot of International authors and I hope to be part of the team.
Thank you, [@acidyo](https://steemit.com/@acidyo)!☺️👍

I can’t understand why stacking would take place on a recurring basis but given the objectives of the project, I completely understand establishing limitations around that.  It would need to happen to ensure that the appropriates members are rewarded on a timely basis without having to see others use their spot while already getting a bot vote.  Still learning about this but I like where it is headed.

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I delegated almost all my SP to @ocdb and I am very satisfied with the return.

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IMHO: it would only make 'the case for ocdb' stronger if you'd take a stance against bid bot stacking :-) To exclude stackers from using ocdb show ocdb is not 'one of them', but has a different goals with a specific set of rules. 

How you could handle this is a bit less straightforward: maybe there's a whitelist and 'stackers' can only use it 10% of what other users can send in? As to not remove the good content makers from the whitelist? Maybe there's going to be a grey list? :D 

Curious to see creative solutions for this - just wanted to show my support for enforcing rules 'against' (it's not an attack, just a differentiation in use) bod bot stackers. 

Cheers.

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