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· @acidyo · (edited)
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An idea for encouraging curation
There's a lot of talks going on lately about a change in curation rewards vs post rewards mainly started and continued by @blocktrades, @kevinwong, @trafalgar and many others, read the post of @cervantes for more information about the opinions of other witnesses and discussions about this.

A quick TL;DR (too long didn't read) here are a lot of people not in favor of this as they see it as a way for bigger accounts to earn stake easier and leave behind the smaller users while some think that 50/50 would shift the behavior of accounts self-voting garbage since they could earn more or just as much through curation. It is hard to say at this point and even harder to predict what exactly it will change for bid bots.

Without getting too much into that, I wanted to talk about this idea after observing some upcoming SMT's and their token distributions. 

As some of you know, Steemhunt.com and Dlike.io have been incentivizing Steem users to post, promote, delegate and curate by rewarding them with their own tokens when SMT's are launched as an airdrop. This is a great way to increase activity of their dapps and at the same time distribute the tokens widely before the launch date. What I did notice though is this. (Not 100% on how Steemhunt distributes it, but since one of the biggest accounts @freedom is delegating half a million to them I figured curating for tokens is way more worth it than delegating to them, this may depend on how much they distribute to delegators daily and how much to curators)

Dlike distributes it like this right now:

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As you can see the difference between upvoting and delegating or commenting/posting is quite big. If you want to read the rest of the distribution [click on this link](https://dlike.io/about/dlike-tokens.php). Now I am not sure if they based this on how much curation is going on in general on the platform to make it as fair of a distribution as possible or to incentivize Steemians to delegate to them instead of bid bots.

What I was thinking with the hopefully coming rise of more and more bid bots is if they were to instead incentivize curation more with a larger stake distribution. If they incentivized curation more they wouldn't need as much delegation to curate themselves, they'd still need delegation to earn curation rewards to fund their SMT so it would be important not to decrease that distribution as well. I'm not completely sure exactly everything what they would have to change, it might also depend a lot on what kind of SMT it is and how interested investors are to delegate to it.

I figure there will be a point where the incentivizes are big enough to undelegate from bid bots and instead curate or delegate to curation teams that will do the curation instead of you or delegate to the project directly as an investment that the returns might be bigger than what they could get from competing over the Steem reward pool. If anything they'd undelegate part of their max Steem returns to invest into SMT's and with others doing the same it would balance out curation a bit more. 

Again, I have not done the math here and this was just a general idea. I am also not sure how or if this would work even better with 50% curation instead but I figured it would be a good time to bring this up and discuss it with others and what they think about it. One thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of people still unaware today that some of these SMT's are even incentivizing users to use their stake towards them to invest in their future currency. I get that this might be due to how long the timeframe is still for SMT launch but you know how it goes, early birds get the worm. Who knows who is going to start an SMT on Steem next or what the SMT is, maybe the interest to earn a lot of Steem might quickly shift cause a great SMT would come along.

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@aussieninja ·
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I would love that so hard!

So with @steemhunt, they basically give you HUNT tokens for upvoting... so if I upvote 10ish different hunts, then I'd get about 200-500 HUNT tokens that day depending on a few different factors (my hunter score/interaction with Steemhunt plus how well that particular hunt does as well as if I got in early on that hunt before it got popular).  The amount you vote (100% versus 50%) also matters, but the Steem amount you have $0.01 or $10.00 doesn't make any difference... which is great for new accounts.
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@acidyo ·
Yeah and important to notice that you have to curate through their platform for it to count. (I've been told)
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@aussieninja ·
Oh yeah, sorry man... yes, that's exactly correct.  You get HUNT tokens for a whole range of actions, but it all has to be done through their platform... really only delegating and installing the Chrome Browser extensions are the only way to get tokens not  by interacting on the platform.
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@clayboyn ·
I have proposed various versions of this concept for the last year many times.  All I get is a headache trying to explain to people that 75% of a dollar is less than 25% of 10-20 dollars.  Ultimately I think nothing is going to change until SMTs and communities gets released, but that's just my thoughts.  I very much agree that what we have isn't working and most people aren't even suggesting something better, so I'm glad to see people raising awareness of the problem, I just don't think the idea will get the traction that we want this close to changing the way the platform works at a fundamental level.
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@ferrate ·
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Great initiative to help we  the redfishes..... God bless you for such great opportunity 

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@freebornangel ·
Is it just me, or does that emporer not have any clothes on?

Why would i trade steem for an smt again?
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@geekpowered ·
I'm somewhat worried about all the various things that will want delegation in the future. More and more is done by bots. Not just bid bots. I think that a lot of the problems with Steem currently can be solved by encouraging manual curation just a bit.

Different, better solutions, for profit from delegation, like OCDB, definitely help with the current issue of people delegating to bid bots, but I worry if they aren't accompanied by tools to encourage manual curation. I don't think it will even require that much.

Right now it's a bit of a pain in the ass to curate. It's actually easier for people in curation groups, as they have lists of good posts at their fingertips.

It might even be as simple as just allowing people to read the lists of curated posts from different groups like a feed.

If we just make it easy to curate and find good posts, more might do it.
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@phoneinf ·
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Curation will be automated more in the future. Since we are moving towards an automated future. It will never shift back to manual curation. Since creating automated system is just more resource effective. There is not a problem with Steem. Steem 2 years old. Empower people takes a long time. 5-10 years at least before you see the fruits from an investment.
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@gentleshaid ·
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Ever since I got to know that steemhunt incentivize curation on their platform, more than 80% of my daily vote goes to hunters on the platform. I get curation reward in form of steem as well as the hunt tokens for voting contribution. I later got interested in posting hunts myself and guess what! I started receiving votes from users I never dreamt would vote me. 

To be honest, a platform like this provides a win win situation for everyone. I just logged in to dlike recently and also watching them closely. However for now, I am fully with steemhunt and would take a bit of efforts to share attention with dlike
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@gvand ·
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It would be really positive to support this way of curing to make small users grow in the community and so they at some point can cure and give good amounts of rewards
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@joythewanderer ·
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I observed that with Steemhunt token distribution via upvoting, some bigger accounts do curate steemhunt posts more than other posts, so it could be a good point. I guess it depends on how confident investors are for the SMT projects and how good the projects are.
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@tarazkp ·
The risk is partly offset by the normal curation returns available also and, the poster is of less importance than what they actually post which means there can be wider distribution.
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@jwolf ·
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It is definitely more profitable to upvote on steemhunt than to delegate. We are getting more tokens and bigger curation rewards.
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@mindtrap · (edited)
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The way I see the 50 / 50 proposal is this.

It depends on whether you are a content creator, **only** curator, or both. There are dozens of people who just curate. And with "heavy" wallets. Those guys will be benefited most.

You for example do both and so do I so I don't really know who it would work for us.

But for those who just came in and mainly they create content hoping for some decent votes to arrive on their posts, while their vote is dust must be a disaster.

Just wondering...even if people pull back their delegations from bid bots so that they can manually curate, wouldn't the 50 / 50 be the ideal scenario to sell their votes? It would be a win win for them...
If I am wrong someone correct me plz.
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@acidyo ·
>wouldn't the 50 / 50 be the ideal scenario to sell their votes?

It depends, curation has a curve that can reward you rather well depending on how good you curate. I've had votes valued at $1 giving me back SP worth $1.1, etc. with 50% this could mean a $1 vote could return me a vote of $2.2 or more since more. Not 100% sure on that but just what I'm thinking.

About the newcomers it will depend on the quality and resteems. If someone or a curation project finds a post from a completely new user at 0.00 rewards and they give it a $10 vote and it ends at $500, they can earn a lot more rewards than if they had given themselves the $10 vote which half would be shared with other curators, or no one in case they are the only voters they'd only get the $10 back and wouldn't make $50 instead since no one else thought they had content worthy of upvoting. 

It's a bit technical and theoretical at the moment but I don't think it would hurt trying it out, especially not now here at the bottom with the least active accounts and a price that can't get much worse than it is now.
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@mindtrap ·
It’s true. Now that the activity is pretty low I guess a change could be done. Btw: wouldn’t it require a new fork? Meaning new wallet maintenances...?
Or not?

As for this
>and a price that can't get much worse than it is now.

I really hope so..
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@newageinv ·
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The great thing about the SMTs is exactly this; whether it be distributing via curation, upvote and the distinction of SP holder weights, it can be determined independently by each project as they determined the best use of the SMTs will be for their community.  However, the underlying fuel remains the same, it will be Steem Power at the end of the day!
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@ocdb ·
re-acidyo-an-idea-for-encouraging-curation-20181029t223108191z
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@sammiegold ·
I think this initiative will help minnows like me to grow rapidly. Thanks for this post
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@steem-ua ·
#### Hi @acidyo!

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Your **UA** account score is currently 7.898 which ranks you at **#35** across all Steem accounts.
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@steemitboard ·
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@tarazkp ·
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I like the curation incentived platforms like @steemhunt as I am at least currently able to support the platform, earn a future SMT and get curation in Steem on my vote. It is a pretty big win/win/win for steem/steemhunt/me because if they do well, steem likely does well and my stake performs well. The more that do this the healthier the platform might look in the future. 

I think there will definitely come a point where there is higher incentive to curate instead of vote sell and as it starts to happen, it will speed the process faster. I think that 50/50 will speed distribution quite quickly and coupled with the potential of oracles etc, it could mean that abuse is kept to a minimum.
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@whatamidoing · (edited)
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I don't have as much time for steemit these days so I don't get as involved with these issues.  My solution now is simply this: become a whale myself and make sure I empower people who will empower others.  Obviously there are other things I can do so I'm trying to do them along the way, but it's hard to keep up with how the platform is evolving, especially when a lot of people with power seem to disagree with you, I think 50/50 is a terrible idea and always have, even more with bidbots as widespread as they are now.  SMT incentives for curation and lower % of sbd/sp seems like a much better solution to me.  Glad you are still out there.
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@phoneinf ·
Refreshing to read some true pro-Capitalism and true Empowerment!
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@yanes94 ·
50/50 does not harm us all the little fish that we do not earn much? and many others who earn nothing practically?
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@phoneinf ·
50/50 is a communist joke. A group of non thriving people gathers around. See someone thriving. And comes up with the genius idea to take 50% from that person! It's anti-empowerment. Trying to make people equal will remove any single empowerment. The idea is to level the playing field to equal misery. Even if you become a mega success they will still steal 50% from you. It's anti-life and empowerment. Most Communist/Socialist places are currently failing brutally. Only a shift to true empowerment + Capital freedom creates true wealth for a community. Same with Steem Blockchain.
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@yanes94 ·
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I understand what you say I live in Venezuela where there is a supposed socialism and everything has worsened in recent years!
The rulers are getting richer and the other people are having their worst moments. Maybe 50/50 says it's to encourage voting but that will not help the little ones, because they do not have big votes so you can take the 50 and have more money left.
If a poor person takes away 50% of what he generates, it will be a poorer one.
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