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Here's an idea to counter abusive up and downvotes by acidyo

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· @acidyo ·
$16.43
Here's an idea to counter abusive up and downvotes
I'm just about to hit the bed and my battery is low so I'll keep this short but the #1 issue against retaliation is the fear of your own rewards, the second one is that countering downvotes does not get you good curation returns.

So how about when we're done downvoting profitable votes and most bid bots have come to terms that they should sell unprofitable votes and since the demand for promotion isn't there right now they'd mainly curate and keep eachother in check, they would co-operate with eachother to split the cost of countering obvious retaliation.

I think we all know which the big accounts are doing this who either got downvoted due to only selfvoting or very closed voting ring/circle. If all ex/hybrid/bid bots that do not have known owners or active posters (but even those who do) would bans together they could easily counter most reported retaliation easily and splitting the voting power needed to do so among eachother and depending on voting power would mean everyone would equally sacrificed a certain amount of daily ROI but the platform and thei own investment would be so much better for it.

Say right now there's maybe 5M SP that's constantly vote-trading, you'd only need to "target" one person in the ring at first and make him acknowledge the EIP and a higher voting RSI, even if they just turned into autovoting curation sniping it's better than the current voting on the same authors constantly. Some would attempt to retaliate but some in their circle would not want to lose their "reputation" to stoop so low. 

Those who would would have say 0.5-1.5M SP and if they used all of their VP to only downvote that would be like downvoting with 2M SP max so if all major bid bots worked together that would be like 50M SP sharing the damage of that 2M SP and countering everything. I know @ocdb and the team behind it would surely be up for handling some of it, best part is that their retaliation would also be weak against the very people doing the countering. In most cases this could just mean a 5-10% of CR that would be a bit lower than if you were curation sniping while undoing so much harm and maybe even undo a lot of damage they may have done pre-HF. :)

If @ocdb alone managed to convince an account with 1m SP Early in the HF to give curation a chance and then another similar sized which even retaliated for a while then who knows what we could manage to do working together and while the "abuser" wasn't earning anything in the meantime. I realize some hold keys of inactive accounts and don't even care what happens with the rewards anymore but that's just a cost we have to take upon ourselves to counter until a change happens, the platform needs it and would do much better for it while costing us doing the work less than you might think if we worked together.

Let me know your thoughts! Goodnight. :P
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@abitcoinskeptic ·
Interesting Ideas.

I finished my infographic I said I would make [here](https://steemit.com/newsteem/@abitcoinskeptic/downvoted-the-bidbot-cycle-is-broken). Maybe I'll make one for what we will do about this later.
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@mysearchisover ·
@steemcleaners @ocd @ocdb #rewardpoolrape

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@enforcer48 ·
> Those who would would have say 0.5-1.5M SP and if they used all of their VP to only downvote that would be like downvoting with 2M SP max so if all major bid bots worked together that would be like 50M SP sharing the damage

You do realize several of these "major bid bots" are now all part of the old circlejerks? Some of them seem to always work against the community for the sake of raking in extra tokens...with SP that ain't even theirs.
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@flysky ·
That is good concept
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@enforcer48 ·
Hmm quite ironic coming from you.
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@mysearchisover ·
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@freebornangel ·
$0.02
We will know we have won against the bid bots when they have no customers.

Why have curation rewards dropped by half?
[Link](https://steemworld.org/@freebornsociety)
30 day rewards are over $4, but 7 day rewards ar .60?
That is quite a drop.
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@carlgnash ·
looks like you had a decent chunk of benefactor rewards in the 30 day payout but none in the 7 day, someone must have listed you as the beneficiary on a post (or posts)
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@freebornangel ·
Thank you!
It had to have been sfr giving benefactor rewards.
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@mysearchisover ·
@steemcleaners @ocd @ocdb #rewardpoolrape

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@enforcer48 ·
Mine has been about the same when comparing 7-day and 3-day.

Could it be all the comments you voted on that were below dust threshold?
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@freebornangel ·
@carlgnash says it was benefactor rewards.
I'm guessing they were sfr rewards.
I still think the maximizers are hitting them.
They were higher just after the fork.
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@mysearchisover ·
@steemcleaners @ocd @ocdb #rewardpoolrape

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@mysearchisover ·
So nobody that uses bidbots can top this? I think I got less than 3 cents per post. 

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@freebornangel ·
You won't like what happens when you get on the spammer's list.
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@kimzwarch ·
Definitely not an easy path to take as it goes against the behavior of the old Steem. Yet, an essential move to move into new Steem. Getting used to not use any bid bots and go for more curation as my personal move. So far, I see most of my friends in my circle are adapting well. 

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@mysearchisover ·
I think this also happened on old steem. 

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@mysearchisover ·
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