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curation · @acidyo ·
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Hive curation - are things starting to go too far?
In this video I wanted to bring up some "curation" activity I've been noticing grow on Hive lately which I'm not in favor of. 

Keep in mind that with this I'm not trying to single the one example I brought up in this video but that there are many doing similar things with potentially even worse outcomes in terms of engagement levels and signs of the content being consumed.  

Either way, figured it was a good topic to make a video around it and some of my thoughts surrounding it and how I see Hive curation to work if we want to continue keeping it "proof of brain" and users being able to "mine tokens" with their contributions and effort rather than just how much stake they own and give out to certain projects. 

https://youtu.be/3awX6LSaORw


Thanks for listening/watching. 

I'd appreciate a follow on youtube if you haven't yet, and if you decide to leave a comment here it'd be nice if you could copy it over there as well! Thanks.
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@anderssinho ·
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Its a interesting topic and I dont know really were I stand. E.g how does Actifit fit in this? Everytime I make a report I get a upvote from them, but the percentage is based upon several metrics.

I saw an other interesting thing brought up by @curamax the other day about self downvoting. So it seems these post is starting to spark diskussion about curation and how we want it to work. After all Hive is for us all, so its good to get as many perspective as possible.
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@azircon · (edited)
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Are you talking about Leo? It definitely is :)

Yes, for HBI.

PS. I delegate to Curangel, you, qurator and I am related to SL where I am a majority stakeholder. I have specifically requested them NOT to vote me. In fact, I have blacklisted myself, so that they (curators) can't vote me my mistake :)
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@acidyo · 
Dunno about Leo, it didn't seem as guaranteed as the others there, but as I mention I realize there's autovotes/votetrading that kind of do the same thing and up to a certain degree you gotta start treating those the same way as this.
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@azircon ·
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don't know?


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/azircon/242NhKWhPLPCXjXnysqDen2aaCjjHBYCbWMPDDa2Yh9oeYzKquyBeHxSpz9MMsYR6iTYK.png)

That mark means he pays for leo premium :)

Also a meme to help you. Not created by me!! So I am not going to take credit for it


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@meno · 
> . In fact, I have blacklisted myself, so that they (curators) can't vote me my mistake :)

respect muh dude... 

I have to ask, more because I'm curious and I know you've probably thought about it already.

We know Rep score is trash-useless.

Can you imagine how a rep score that meant something would work? What metrics?
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@azircon ·
$0.38
> Can you imagine how a rep score that meant something would work? What metrics?

KE ratio

Try it yourself

https://beebalanced.streamlit.app/

Lower the better.
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@azircon · 
> We know Rep score is trash-useless

not totally, it has it uses, but not its original design. I use it in a variety of plots. You can look up my posts.
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@themarkymark · 
There have been a lot of talks about redoing rep, but it's really difficult as there isn't valuable metrics. Votes are financially motivated and usually poorly executed, follows is a good option but would easily be abused if used, same with page views, content quality isn't really usable and subjective.  Most things are easily bypassed by just making a second account.  So while we have and hate Reputation, and it's been talked about being replaced many times, I don't see anything changing.

Steem UA was suppose to fix it, but it was flawed from the start as it was just a poor execution of Google Page Rank poisoned by using Witness votes as the seed.
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@bigorna1 ·
$0.37
It is a long video but you kind of nailed something I have been noticing / suspecting for a while now.
very few people actually organically read ones posts.
and even fewer bother to leave meaningful related comments.
I attribute it to both our modern day attention span (shorter every day..) and the culture of flicking through endless visual content (Instagram like).
it is sad but it is happening.
thank you for bringing such issues up.
like I said before, often your content is over my technical level, but you manage to transmit the message 🙏
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@blkchn ·
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Thanks for that video and I think you have a good point there.

If your part of such systems, you can just produce postings and can be sure to get your upvotes. Other users, not part of this system, don't get these upvotes and so the rewardpool is drained to a few users. I don't think this is the purpose of the voting system.
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@bozz ·
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That's a tough one because I think a lot of people use "tools" like that to actually earn some rewards when they are starting out.  For me the real problem shows up when they are delegating out all of their stake to get those upvotes and then they have nothing left to contribute to the system. That's kind of where the new index that @azircon has talked about in the past comes in handy.
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https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@theycallmedan/re-finpulse-4gnm7o8h


https://hive.blog/hive-144400/@blocktrades/st110u

https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@usainvote/re-curamax-stly39

https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@usainvote/re-buildawhale-s75mua

https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742829002430606097

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/themarkymark-big-bad-marky-huh-lol-you-re-more-of-a-joke-than-anything-else-we-ve-exposed-your-actions-repeatedly-your-scamming

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https://hive.blog/burnpost/@buildawhale/1742483402094376205#@buildawhale/re-1742483402094376205-20250320t151108z

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@bpcvoter3 · 
**@acidyo** – The community deserves answers.  

The **Bilpcoin team** has repeatedly flagged **blatant vote manipulation** (e.g., @buildawhale’s self-vote farms) and **targeted downvote campaigns** suppressing legitimate voices. These actions contradict Hive’s decentralized ethos.  

**Why stay silent?**  
- Is centralized power more important than fairness?  
- Are "whale" abuses excused while small creators suffer?  

We’re calling for **transparency**, not drama. If Hive truly believes in decentralization, it must:  
1. Investigate vote farms and purge bad actors.  
2. Reform reward mechanisms to prevent manipulation.  
3. Empower community-driven moderation.  

**Location doesn’t matter**—principles do. Stand with us to #ExposeTheTruth.  

*#HiveTransparency #BPC #bilpcoin*
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@danzocal · 
!PIZZA
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@davideownzall ·
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I get your point and yeah, that's not really fair... As it's decentralized you can't really force people to act like with common sense, and most of us here can't do much, the only way would be big stake holders to equalize abusive rewards explaining why
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@deeanndmathews · 
I'm going to put in a good word for @freecompliments, who people will see on that video and assume is the problem you are targeting here when certainly that is not the case. 

https://peakd.com/@freecompliments/addressing-my-integrity-due-diligence-and-delegation-for-vote-projects-7bp

I do not delegate to FC, and I create about one post a week because I believe in the community. I get votes, and I give votes, and that has nothing to do with my delegations. Most of us small content creators do, so you really needed to do some more due diligence before picking out a community to VISUALLY single out. 

We have an in-house video service, that supports Hive ... Threespeak is an option ... but now the world on YouTube gets to know Free Compliments as problematic.  That's not just or fair. People believe what they see over what they hear. I am glad to see that you did a follow-up video, but not everyone is going to follow up your follow up.
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@acidyo · 
I don't know what you guys are missing but the account is clearly not forfeiting any author rewards and quite literally maximizing self-voting by delegating to accounts that give him a vote back. The only beneficiaries are being sent to the community account which do the same with the delegations and don't give out any hive rewards. What he may or may not do with some shittokens isn't relevant here. It's the obvious self-voting scheme followed by daily posting to maximize it and none of those rewards are going away. 

It's weirder that no one is stepping up to downvote some of these quite LITERAL vote buying/self-vote maximizing accounts. But honestly not in the mood to get into it with you cause you clearly seemed to like being super difficult for anything in the past.
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@acidyo · 
Giving 10% of the rewards to the curator is doing a lot for the community? https://peakd.com/hive-140084/@fc-rewards/freecompliments-community-post-rewards-for-a7b213c8e673

Imagine if I only gave 10% to curators with @ocd and kept 90% "to grow" or "to give away tokens" or "_include another excuse that doesn't revolve around the hive rewards pool_"

Is delegating out all your hp on the community account a cool way to support your own community as well? https://peakd.com/@hive-140084/wallet, by having no voting power I can see anywhere? 

Is having a community called "free compliments" but hey post about fucking anything I don't give a fuck and I'm not gonna bother curating or engaging with anyone anyway as long as I'm farming those daily posts but get super active real quick if someone starts noticing my scheme - valuable on hive these days? 

Ya'll are being quite weird lately, man.
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@freecompliments ·
@freecompliments "Exactly, we love supporting creators who create qu..."
Exactly, we love supporting creators who create quality content because it helps the creators and the community! Thank you for your support. 🙏

Even in the follow-up video, it was clear that he did not go through my entire post, since some of the things he mentioned were already addressed in my post. The same missing due diligence as the first time. If I make a post about something, I don't spend more time creating the post than I do researching the topic... but that's me.

Anyway, the community will move on. We'll continue to grow together. Cheers, Deeann!
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@fredaig · 
I always keep my Engagement  first on the hive platform, because its also a way to contribute to the platform while building up my acct. however the system is gamed just  for their self benefit. 

in 6:08 you metioned value, which is one of the important  factor people should consider when contribution  to Hive. giving value to hive and getting value in return
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@freecompliments · 
There's some good discussion here about the delegation projects, but I also think that, whether intentional or not, your assessment of how they can be used is not fully realized. Additionally, I think that your cursory glance at my account led to a *very* misleading perspective that truly made me look bad and risks putting a dent into the reputation (not talking about score here!) that I've tried to build, and is not at all representative of how I use Hive.

[I wrote out a post with my perspective.](https://inleo.io/@freecompliments/addressing-my-integrity-due-diligence-and-delegation-for-vote-projects-7bp)
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@gabrielatravels · 
I've sort of got the same feeling lately too, but as I've always been a rather discrete person on here who better focuses on her content, I thought I'd keep doing the same after 7+ years since I've been on the chain lol
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@logen9f ·
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Interesting points. But imo, KE should also be considered by curators especially curator accounts.
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@acidyo · 
What people do with their author rewards isn't my main concern, as long as they're putting in effort to earn them - that's a bigger issue right now I'm seeing being abused.
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@mengao ·
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100%!
delegating in exchange for votes = self vote
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@meno ·
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13:30 - it's called quid pro quo 

Steem is literal garbage at the moment. 

I'm attempting to brainstorm with some peeps reputation scores. How much you delegate to maximize ROI should affect you negatively, imo.


17:23 - this is the milkers you were discussing the other day 

18:47 - this is still way more preferable to bidbots - that was fokd

26:01 - No worries, I'm putting that account on my downvote trail
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@acidyo · 
Could use this as a timestamp for the video xD

hmm did I not say quid pro quo? :D

> this is still way more preferable to bidbots - that was fokd

yeah.. it's basically what some of the Korean projects started doing on hive-engine before we split, curating with layer 1 based on shittokens
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@musicandreview ·
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I will not pretend to be an expert on the subject, but certainly there are irregular elements in which the intentionality does not seem to be positive, although it is true that this is a free ecosystem I think that above all things what should really be valued is the effort of the user regardless of the role he/she has.
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@pizzabot · 
<center>PIZZA!


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@tegoshei ·
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I saw my account in your video because I often join freecompliment's weekly art contest... 
But regarding the issue, I understand what you mean. It's an advantage for users who have enough HP to delegate to those accounts, and it becomes a cycle that could create unbalance in the platform.

I still believe it's better to have real engagement in the platform, though.
 I mostly just make content I like and sometimes I join contests for extra rewards and to meet more people on the platform.
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@acidyo · 
Yeah as I said a few times in the video I wasn't trying to single out this one particular user, there's many doing it in way worse ways possibly. Your username popped out as one of the few real users commenting on his posts as there was a lot of bot activity inflating the numbers from the outside.
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@thehivetuber ·
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I believe liquidating the rewards as the Posh system is just genius and I felt the value when I received some rewards. It made my engagement feel even more valuable than before. Just love the posh initiative
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@turkishcrew · 
I have been gone for a long time. i opened the blog and the first article i read was yours again. i admire you. you continue to work hard for years. by is inspiring for me. will it make me come back again? @acidyo
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@acidyo · 
Hope so!

Why have you been downvoted by hivewatchers?
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@wiseagent ·
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The rewards we get here come from individual effort connected to the recognition we receive from other users and different projects. Therefore, what we get is ours and we have the right to do whatever we want (no rules here, I think). This is called freedom (and it is not something negotiable).

However, these rewards come from a plural space, where everyone needs everyone else (no exceptions), so... All users should have the minimum **common sense** to keep a good part of their own **HIVE POWER** to themselves so they can help the ecosystem itself using their own judgment before voting.
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