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· @acidyo ·
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Some thoughts on Hive Power
I had a discussion with someone recently about the way we launched @holozing, not much about the fair launch where founder & team didn't get any tokens or about other tokenomics, but more about the way tokens were issued for close to a year - through delegations solely. 

If you weren't here then, this meant that from a certain date after the announcement of the game, anyone and everyone who delegated to @zingtoken started earning Zing proportionally to the amount they delegated to the project. If 100k HP was delegated and my share was half of it, it'd meant that I was getting 50% of the hourly distributed zing tokens. This means that anyone, friend or foe, could participate in it. 

Naturally, for many this was just a way to use the hype or speculation to get some extra hive their way - which is fine and working as intended. Delegating to @zingtoken still offers a higher APR than from the average curation rewards one would get by just holding hive power. Over time as the APR decreased you saw these people who weren't actually interested in holding Zing or speculating on the project withdraw their delegations and look for other projects that potentially offered a higher APR - some are only interested in Hive and that's fine! 

The cool thing about this is that as long as there is some buy pressure on Zing itself, as long as some delegating are holding Zing and as long as the sell pressure doesn't outweigh the buy pressure, it leaves room for people to delegate to it for a profit in Hive but their delegation at the same time gives us extra Hive to pay development and other contributions to the project. 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23uQp2c3mSG6b485YiZDjj7BvgHLwW8wnV2k3BtyQX2iUUYC5F8j1iLFJSYQWVbQZzS53.png)

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Either way, when it comes to Hive Power, some people have over time mentioned that they regretted not starting off this way as well or at least having token issuance be part delegated hive power from the beginning. 

Why? Well, Hive Power is a great tool to keep the community engaged and rewarded toward a specific project. We've seen Splinterlands actively rewarding their community for years now, they of course don't issue out tokens in exchange as they have their own Hive Power and are a large project - but it's pretty much the same idea there - the social impact. 

Thus other projects would've liked being able to direct some of the Hive inflation towards users discussing their project, creating fan art, fan lore, fan DIY, and potentially even marketing efforts. 

Hive curation is quite flexible as we've seen it evolve over the years and while it gives people a ton of freedom there's also some _some times_ unspoken aspects of it people shouldn't cross. 

This has kind of been one of my concerns lately with some new projects that include delegation as their reward/token issuance but may skip on some fundamentals when it comes to curation. 

For instance, let's look at the @holozing community. You can notice that author rewards there range from a wide variety from close to $0 pending rewards to over $50. Some votes may be from random stakeholders, autovoters of certain authors, some completely random voters, voters active in that community often and lastly the @zingtoken account that is voting with stake delegated to it by people interested in earning stake in the project in return as mentioned at the beginning of this post. 

Now a big difference from zing curation compared to other projects may be that we take it somewhat serious. I'm sure Splinterlands curators could also weigh in here that they spend quite a lot of time checking and making sure deserving posts are curated. It helps that I run a curation project so I can some times weigh in if I see certain posts or authors rewarded that go out of our scope, but here's generally what we look after. 

Quality of the content
Effort of the content
Social activity of the user
Consumption/Engagement of the content

These are usually quite common for curation projects and I'm sure many readers are aware of the importance of these aspects when it comes to curation, but what I wanted to bring up here is some other differences that I think other projects don't care much about. 

Now @holozing is an outlier here so I don't want people to compare it to Splinterlands because that game has been out and running for long while ours is not yet launched. Meaning that some days there are not a lot of posts about our project and that is normal, most of the time it is also mainly focused towards fanart as we have a lot of artists on our blockchain who spend time creating and sharing. My point however is, that when there isn't much posts we don't overreward the few that do get posted. I.e. we're not in a "rush" to give out massive rewards to those few users that posted today compared to say trying to "keep them happy" or "bribe" them with upvotes so they continue posting and focusing on our community. We have a ton of artists who for instance create fanart for both holozing and splinterlands and that's great to see that they're being taken care of curation-wise by different stakeholders. On slower days we spend a lot of voting mana on things like @hbd.funder, @poshtoken or other projects that don't directly benefit just one person/entity/group of people but the ecosystem as a whole. 

This can easily be checked when looking at @zingtoken's voting: 


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/acidyo/23tRtVuP3JmJAEtfMjriLMSsUFa6qp8RH51ChHWzrYZEBbJRP8vJtfa1fgy7jZ84UdeA3.png)

Now why am I bringing this up? 

Because these other projects would look at this and think "are you crazy?", "why are you wasting so much voting mana when you could be voting on people delegating your way?", etc. 

Another thing to mention about our curation is that we don't upvote those delegating solely for delegating. We vote those posting in the community based on the metrics listed above and not based on how "supportive" they are of our project. We don't look at things like "how much are they delegating to us" or "how much zing are they holding/buying", etc. 

I'm sure Splinterlands curators don't look at those aspects either. 

There are however a lot of other projects that only care about that, because if they can reward delegators extra in terms of author rewards they think/hope that they'll stay delegated or increase their delegations towards the project which will increase the pull they have on the Hive rewards pool to give them more curation returns over time. 

They may mute certain authors but most of the time it looks like people delegating to them are mainly set up in an automated way to receive votes not based on quality of the content or effort that went behind it, or if anyone is consuming it or if that author cares about the rest of the community to be active in other ways than just posting. This activity often never steps outside of voting for users who don't delegate to them and that's kind of what I wanted to bring up today when I said that some things shouldn't get crossed as it undermines _curation_ and makes it about the self-interest of the project to keep their "costumers". 

So while creating delegation projects in exchange for tokens or straight up hive is amazing and should definitely be used more, people ought to also continue to respect curation. Your project shouldn't grow bigger in terms of how much delegation you're getting because you're making sure to keep your delegators happy with upvotes no matter what they post - but because your project is better at what it does or plans to do than others (or you know, other factors based on merit, reputation, trust, etc). 
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@angeluxx ·
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>Quality of the content
Effort of the content
Social activity of the user
Consumption/Engagement of the content

I agree, it's very nice when they reward your effort and the emotion with which you create content.
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@artofkylin ·
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One of the things that I really do love about hive is that there are many places that are focused on community. Splinterlands as you mentioned does an excellent job giving people things to engage with. The 3 weekly contests def keep things lively. Obviously there's only so much you can do when the game isn't launched yet but I m sure once Holozing launches you'll keep up the awesome work. 

Really the key thing is that Hive was built for the long term. 
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@bozz ·
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There are definitely a lot of things to consider when you are launching something like that. I have been thinking about a couple communities that I run and what it might take to make them a little more mainstream.  I think having some kind of manual voting is probably the way to go, but that will likely cost some money. I also think that delegating to earn the tokens is a solid strategy.  I'm going to have to keep this post saved and come back to it.
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@acidyo ·
Is there a way to opt out of this from your own posts? 
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@cherokee4life ·
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And this is 1 of the reason I love Holozing. You don't things because it's what everyone else does or thinks you should do. You do things that YOU think are correct and right. Let the Haters Hate. Let the scalpers scalp. The true believers will be here before the game launches, when the game launches and after the game launches!
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@cocacolaron ·
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I think there is value in creating a community and encouraging it to contribute with whatever comes to mind, I have seen some pretty good fanarts and I have also made some posts talking about the lore that holozing could have, building a floor where there are already conversations about the project and that we can give feedback already seems valuable to me, thanks for that acid
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@davideownzall ·
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i dont want to enter too much into splinterlands discussion, but i think a lot of posts there are overrewarded, the same boring battles where it's obvious who's gonna win since first screenshot with no excitement at all, the same boring topic already explained in annuncements, the report cards, the season stats...i don't even check anymore splinterlands posts beside the people i follow and support... very welcome holozing way to curate, it brings more interest and curiosity to check what has been curated, that it's worth a read
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@acidyo ·
Yeah at times I do wish they'd just vote them up less or spend more voting power towards things not accepting rewards for their personal gain. I do however expect there'll be a lot of posts about holozing once there's a game going too so hard to say how we'll handle it with a similar activity but I'd rather see voting power be used more sparingly than "everything most go to users". 
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@davideownzall ·
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Yeah, when the game comes out there will be a lot of posts, strategies, battles and so on... The more the posts, the higher the quality bar for curation goes up I suppose
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@davot ·
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You have your criteria and I like that. However I hope something comes out soon for the holozing project , I don't know how we can open our vial or we can buy something with the holo dust .
Or that they value those of us who buy some asset from the project ,that is my humble opinion and it is with much respect.
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@acidyo ·
> Or that they value those of us who buy some asset from the project

Not really sure what you mean by this, if you buy vial you get a lot of zing tokens these days, isn't that valuing those buying game assets? Regular games would not give users equity in the game just for buying packs or in-game items.
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@ibarra95 ·
I am from Cuba πŸ‡¨πŸ‡Ί, and I have a hard time understanding English and translating it, but I understand some things.

Just tell you that I love to create art for both Holozing and Splinterlands communities and it is true that sometimes there are votes that I see that should be to motivate the creators of art, but it is the strategy of you @acidyo. You guys still do a great job despite the adversities and internal problems with zingtoken.

I am happy with the votes to my Fanart posts, although sometimes as you say in the post, the effort is not valued to the maximum of the time dedicated to the art.

But I always make every art design with love and marketing for the community, and I take it to all my social networks to give more reach. But as I was saying I appreciate the votes always.

Best regards and excellent team πŸ˜‰πŸ€.
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@itsmemic ·
$0.06
Reading this gave me flashbacks to when I was still trying to understand how Hive delegations workβ€”wish I saw a breakdown like this earlier! Thanks for the clarity. 
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@jeremiahcustis ·
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I've got a good feeling about Holozing. That's why I purchased the starter pack and haven't unstaked my ZING even though the price only drops. Some of the best art on Hive is inspired by Holozing. I hope it doesn't flop like every other game that wasn't Splinterlands has. Lots of us are rooting for ya. Don't let us down!
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@acidyo ·
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@oasiskp2 ·
Hive keeps doing wonders in different projects
!ALIVE 
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@pizzabot · (edited)
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@sanjeevm ·
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> Your project shouldn't grow bigger in terms of how much delegation you're getting because you're making sure to keep your delegators happy with upvotes no matter what they post - but because your project is better at what it does or plans to do than others

I think, you nailed it right at the end, the reward of holding the zing tokens would be visible, when the project goes live and does well, increasing the price of the token. That's the real reward of a project performance, not just delegation. 
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@acidyo ·
Sure but the project itself doesn't hold or sell any zing so it won't profit off of zing price doing well, that's only meant for players and speculators. If the price starts doing really well however it means a higher apr too which can attract more funding through delegations and vial sales.
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@sanjeevm ·
If the project will do well, price will soar, and that will be our incentive to hold them. We can hold then for higher apr or even sell.
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@sg-gardener ·
Why acidyo is so angry 😠  cute acidyo is lokking so nice .. i always respect your opinion πŸ’― 
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@yusaymon ·
lol
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@sg-gardener ·
Why is your think πŸ€” like lol πŸ˜†.. but i like your reply  boss
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@sg-gardener ·
Sir i have a big wish can i say you..  can i post your community  as a active member  please πŸ™ 😊 
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@acidyo ·
I don't know what you're asking but I can already tell it seems like you're "deleting" posts if they don't get curation and probably reposting the same content another day. Don't do that. 
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@sg-gardener ·
I understood that but its my mistake  .. its a day by day post i do that by mistake  my friend  say me please dont post day by day .. thats why i deleted  that thanks for your opinion πŸ™‚ 
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@sg-gardener ·
Sir its for you..
@acidyo

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@sirsmokesalot96 ·
!PIZZA
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