Kind of a lot to unpack here but my take away is that with power [Hive Power] comes responsibility. One of these responsibilities is using sound judgement and perspective to decide if a post is being over rewarded. I think you're asking that those wielding the power to look at the bigger picture before slapping a down vote on a piece of content..right? I think that's a fair point and a reasonable ask, if that was actually one of your points. 

I've put most of my stake into my @battlegames project and am constantly doing manual curation, so I see a lot content each day. To help determine what I think should be actual value I take the perspective of an intermediate or advanced blogger or writer who is earning lets say 0.10 cents a word on an 800 word article. Thats about $80 USD, this is what **decent and experienced** writers earn out in the real world. If a post is surpassing this you can ask yourself is this level of writing is what I would expect from a freelancer earning 0.10 a word. I like this view because people are writing content to earn, and they have options, they can choose Hive or they can choose a content mill for employment or direct employment with an established publisher. Well written, edited, formatted content should earn, if it does have these things it really shouldn't earn anywhere near this level.

Anyways just some food for thought, I think its good to raise these points as you have, have discussion, toss ideas and theories around..

Fué sumamente nutritivo leer tanto el articulo como las opiniones de cada uno de ustedes, soy nueva y de verdad es importante ver el comportamiento negativo para aprender de esto también, que lastima que esto ocurra.... y que los votos negativos no sean para publicaciones copiadas o cosas así. Se supone que los contenidos son subjetivos, me gustó mucho haber leido por aqui! Un abrazo a todos, tuve que usar el traductor para leerlos XD, me pareció interesante.!!!!

These downvotes due to too high rewards also have a big disadvantage when the hive price rises, because the rewards have not changed in the form of HIVE. Someone who gets 10 HIVE in a post got $2 at 20 cents/HIVE and at $10/Hive it would be $100, but in both cases, he only gets 10 HIVE, but they are worth different amounts depending on the time. According to the logic of people who downvote because of too many rewards, you should actually deduct something retroactively from people xD

You get about 50 HIVE per post with your posts, which is about $20 at the moment, and there is no screaming that your rewards are too high, but if HIVE shoots up again, people will surely come and think you are getting too much. From the point of view of HIVE, nothing has changed for you.

Maybe we should simply change the display of the rewards to HP, but it does not look so nice on the outside because it attracts more people when they see that a post has made several hundred $.

Mhhh I'm still very new here on Hive, so I'm still learning the ropes and updates, compared to Steemit, but I have to say I am a little scared of these downvotes. I think it enables "mean people" to shit on someone's parade so to speak. Of course there are instances where it is justified (self voters, parasites), but as a general "normal" user it's a bit scary. I hope I don't get too many of those...

Hi, could you help me? I'm getting negative votes from @ctime and @jaguar.force on my posts and I don't see the evil in them, could you a person with enough experience help me and advise me what I'm doing wrong?   It gives a very bad impression that if someone new to the platform, like me, is attacked in this way, what do you gain? Do we invite more people to create content if there is no one to protect them from abuse? 

Can you check my publications and see if there's anything wrong? I'd be very happy 
https://hive.blog/hive-148441/@hivemania/esp-eng-hive-art-dibujando-con-violetth-bolivar-hivemania

A good post is a good post, I don't care if you're in NYC or Manila.  On a post I can see what was done.  The DAO has pretty much been a black box.

#### This screenshot below is from the last 6 hours or so...
bloom down votes every post and every comment that I make.
....for at least the last month - or more. Every time he powers up, he gives me all his down votes.
Every few days. (Check it out if you don't believe me).
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His behavior has driven many user off steem(hive)

This is a massive hole in the system. He posts nothing, he just farms curation and down votes people he doesn't like. (not based on subject, just maliciousness).

#### It's cancer on the platform in my opinion.

Let me say - I don't mind 'taking the hit',(better me than some new user who he drives off), I do not need the rewards now, but 2 years ago (when he went on the attack with me over NPC memes), I _DID_ need the money. 
And it fucking hurt.

As it stands now, he's given me so much material to make posts about, that my own up votes on posts _about this behavior_ (and having a laugh at his expense), cover his down votes.

_Anyone_ can open an account and embark on this kind of behavior.It has nothing to do with anything except stake size.

This  is a serious flaw in the system.

If you don't deal with cancer, it eventually kills the host.

Any thought on how you can combat this shit?
On the previous 'attack spree' on my posts - he was warned off, and then he stopped - by someone who had a  large stake. (he even _un_ downvoted some things)

This tells me there are big players manipulating things behind the scenes or using these accounts to dictate to others.
What logical reason would he have had then to stop down voting me, otherwise? 
He cannot be hurt because he doesn't offer anything of value _to_ the platform.

This says to me that the account is part of something bigger, and it was decided that he  'backs off' with me.

This hasn't happened this time. 
It never ceases.

Imo the downvotes should be used exclusively for plagiarism and spamming, for me hasn't too much sense to downvote something because the content creator has too many rewards or because you don't like it. 

That's a very subjetive pow that can be used for multiple purpouses many of them unjustified. Saw in the post of DAO (i think that most of us know which is) downvotes on comments because simply one user disagree with another, that's for me a bad use of downvotes that can end in a flag war or in bullying someone. 

I see that pretty absurd and bad looking for newcomers, gives the sensation that this blockchain is a bit like a jungle with a darwinist pow "the survival of the fittest" that I don't like at all. 

I liked your post, imo has very solid points. 

 

I think some people can really be intimated by looking at people's post and seeing them earn like $100 while their own post is finding it difficult to even hit $1. This might even cause them to hate and result in downvote the $100 post due to fistration

Nice long and little bit "messy" 🙂 piece of information about some of the logic behind price and rewards. 
Thank you!
Now, I need help with an idea I am working on to bring a big community to HIVE, can I have a talk with you?

Zeroing out posts is probably the one thing that WILL drive people away from the platform. Imagine making what you think is decent content and then having it Zeroed because reasons. It's not a nice feeling. I got a bunch zeroed once from a retaliation downvote from a abuser, Didn't lose much, kept say to myself oh it's fine I Expected this. But deep down it still hurt.

The only times I generally downvote is on content I think is bad and has no effort to it or post errors I come across where people posted something incorrectly and edited it out saying don't vote error in post etc. 
Oh and sometimes religion content because I'm a heathen and I don't like religion. depends what mood i'm in, I don't go actively looking to downvote religious stuff but if its in front of me and I'm like 'WAAA me no like' I'd downvote it. 

Yes I know kinda a petty reason but it is what it is.

>we can't just judge a users rewards only by their content and $ amount during/after a pump.

This is the bit that is frustrating for me, it is like people forget how the pool works. They see a 80 dollar post and forget that the same post was less than a 10 dollar post not long ago, and people were dumping all that Hive at low prices too, while a few were powering up. A couple days of pump and people go crazy. 

Pity I powered up and didn't have liquids to sell. :D

Man that was hard to follow!  

We shouldn’t be calculating anything in terms of UsD or any other currency.  We should be calculating it in terms of the total daily rewards pool, and the total fund for proposals. 

I didn’t agree about 50% curation or downvotes but the overall atmosphere has gotten a lot better and I can see how both played a part. 

Now we just need to get more users onboard.  Good job at reddit. I just made a post making the case for you tubers to ease their way over here and help build this place together.  I like dans invitation for people to drop YouTube completely, but I think that’s pretty terrifying to any who are still monetized so it depends on the YouTuber.  It will take some time for them to move their followings over here so we need to give them ideas about how to do it and why it’s beneficial for everyone (rewarding good comments, contests for fan base, ability to form a community around a topic)

I feel personally responsible for 5xing our user base haha. I want to see this place with the numbers steem used to have, I think we could keep them 

I don't think I've ever used down-voting, partly because I think : *who am I to judge?* But, also, because I don't want to start a down-voting war.

Sure, I don't understand why some memes make the big money they do or games, or post that state the obvious and rehash what everyone else is saying... But, I don't think about it too too much & am happy when a post of mine is read and curated, from time to time.  I've been fairly regular with using #posh -- so, I think that helps.  Hope Hive goes back up, again, and grateful for the increased visibility!  

Cheers, Yahia

I agree with the two points here: (1) looking at "over-rewarded" posts in the perspective of the country they're living in is absurd and (2) authors who have been here through thick and thin deserves a little bit more than those who came back due to the price increase.

For the first point, Hive should be beyond countries. People who compare posts based on the author's cost of living are thinking backwards. For the second point, I think this stems from who adds value more to this space. I'm sure those who made a comeback will be gone again in the next bear market.