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[Steemit-upgrades] User sign ups and commenting incentives by acidyo

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[Steemit-upgrades] User sign ups and commenting incentives
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[Image taken from Steemit post here](https://steemit.com/steem/@rubenalexander/steemit-logo-low-poly-x-rocky-ocean-shore)

### Easier access to Steemit Sign-ups

I've had several users this week letting me know how hard it is to actually sign up to Steemit for a lot of people. The users most affected by this are the ones without a facebook account (we exist, believe me) and the ones who don't have any activity on reddit. Some of them have apparently even been waiting for a long time to be able to start Steeming! That is something that should be fixed to work in other ways as soon as possible.

Example: 

https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/http://imgur.com/oCmr3Kh.jpg

### Giving commenters incentive to write more quality comments

The users who are actively commenting on post aren't getting enough value distributed for their time. This is something that depends on who the author is, but given that most users here are actively curating, there is not much incentive to vote on comments as most Curators know that they most of the time don't receive any Curation Rewards for it.

There can be many reasons to this, not just the Curation Reward one.

Many authors stop attending their posts, don't interact with the comment section or do but don't give any value to them. I have seen this happen time after time.

Many Curators only have enough time to read content and use their voting power on that, eliminating any attention going to the comments.

There could be many other reasons, but what I want to say is that we have to start rewarding those users too (not just because I am one of those that comments a lot) but to increase quality in not just the content, but also the comment section.

### A suggestion to a solution

I noticed at one point Steemians were getting rewarded with a big stake of the post's payout for commenting, what happened to that? Did we just decide to remove it altogether, only giving the early ones the advantage to grind their SP influence through commenting, whereas the new ones have to work far more harder for it.

Since we now have the reputation system working, why not re-implement this feature and share it equally among comments depending on reputation score. Maybe tweak it more so that votes from other users on your comments give you a bigger stake (not counting own votes) to further incentives users to provide quality comments to related posts.

This would also diminish the problem that @piedpiper was addressing earlier, there are a lot of votes on posts but probably less views and even less users that have taken the time to read the content before voting it up for curation power. Rewarding comments would be the best way to make users read before they vote, as I'm sure many of them would take the extra time to comment as well after having read/viewed the content.

Anyway, let me know what you think about the comment reward changes which I think would drive quality upwards in general on the platform.
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@alyssas · (edited)
Steemit needs to decide is it a writing site (like medium) or is it a social site (like reddit).

One of the joys of reddit are the comment threads, that go off on tangents and are packed with info and fun. Practically no-one goes there for the headline link or opening paragraph. It's all about the comments there.

For some reason, steemit started out like reddit (this was back in May and June) and then a bunch of writers turned up and imposed their ideas on the site - they wanted long articles, they wanted photos credited, they are trying to get anonymity banned and force members to disclose who they are or get hounded out. 

It is no longer about simply sharing stuff you've seen or whiling away time discussing brangelina or politics. Which is limiting - Facebook and reddit got so big because they're about sharing. Medium is yet to get off the ground because it's purely about writing...
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@anthonyjerrigo ·
Very interesting article, I appreciate you writing it!
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@beanz · (edited)
I think that sounds like a great idea! The rewards might have to be pretty tiny if your rep is below 40 I think (and nothing below 25), but it would not only incentivise people to write better comments it would also be another incentive to uphold your reputation, which means less trolling maybe :P
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@doitvoluntarily ·
agreed about the rewarding comments, but don't they already?
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@williambanks ·
Rarely, but there's also a curation reward on each posting.  That's probably what he's talkng about.
Commenting used to be my primary source of income.  But we have so many users now that comments rarely ever get upvotes.
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@freebornangel ·
Something needs to be done to encourage comments, what, I don't know.
I'd like a link that I can give my friends to sign up through so that I can get a bounty.
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@hanamana ·
As a new blogger here, I am still having hard time understanding how all this reward, upvote, and comment effect my ability to earn money here.  Some of my content gets upvotes but no monetary shown.  Some got less upvote but go more monetary amount on my content.  I am confused.
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@jlufer ·
Thank you very much for sharing this material, I like what you have posted
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@juanmiguelsalas ·
Really good suggestion to reward comments again. (I did not knew was not working anymore) It is one big good incentive to make people read what they are up-voting, u are 100% right. U got my up-vote and follow... and also a comment ;)
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@knozaki2015 ·
the problem with comment voting is, that you can barely vote for all the posts per day, if i start voting on the comments too, than my voting power would go down faster... so thats a no-go for me.
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@lukestokes ·
Nothing was changed as far as comment rewards, as far as I know. Some whales still vote on comments, but there's also a lot of really great content out there which deserves attention. Should we complain about them being ignored next? Things are what they are, and they will continue to change and evolve over time. If we changed the algorithm every other week people would freak out even more. I dunno, I guess I'm just getting tired of so much complaikging. Thanks for letting me rant a bit. There are some solutions out there for signup and more will emerge. Keep steeming. :)
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@luminousvisions ·
those are good suggestions, but as long dan and ned are too scared to stop those whales that are fucking up steemit ... steemit will die
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@knozaki2015 · (edited)
what are you talking about?

ned and dan should stop powering down and just use their salary from steemit inc. 
it not ok that founders cash out this early. there might be other reasons for them to cash out, (reduce sbd etc.) but i dont see a reasons except cashing out, if the founders of the platform sent big amount so poloniex. 

if i was a founder os stemit inc, i would paymyself a decent salaray now (steemit inc got funding as i understood) and not cash out a single steem ...
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@luminousvisions ·
I'm talking about the whales that are voting; they use 90% of the voting power, which is why steemit is not decentralized and that's why it's crashing ... dan and ned should hunt those accounts down by downvoting whatever those other whales upvote ... or steemit will die
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@majes ·
Well, I certainly like the comment section for sure.. It's one of the reasons I am enjoying Steemit so much..

I wasn't around to see large payouts on comments so don't know what I am missing so to speak, but I have been rewarded for comments... 

I think as Steemit matures we'll see a lot more interaction and better content as better content; both in post as well as comments, are rewarded and "spam" is simply ignored or down-voted...

Thanks for your help by the way and my friend did get her invite via email today.. So that's a good thing.

It's also good to know that the community are so involved with the development of the platform.. It may get bumpy once in awhile but in the end it should be awesome :)

Steem On...
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@acidyo ·
>Thanks for your help by the way and my friend did get her invite via email today.. 

That's great to hear that the email process works at least!

And yeah, you are right that it will get a lot better over time with the interactions! Its just disappointing seeing it happen in threads where authors have a lot of followers and end it with "follow me" and then leave the comments unattended and unrewarded.
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@thecryptofiend ·
Some great ideas sorry I missed this before.
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@timcliff ·
Regarding the signup process, have you checked out <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@someguy123/anonsteem-create-anonymous-steem-accounts-without-social-media">anonsteem</a>? No authentication is needed. There is a small fee to setup the account though (currently .017 BTC).

When you talk about rewarding comments, I assume that you mean something in addition to the reward that people get when someone upvotes comments, is that correct? I'm not sure if it has ever done that, although maybe it was before my time. If you are referring more to the decline in people upvoting comments for large ammounts, that probably has to do more with the new voting slider. People can now upvote for less than 100%, so large SP holders who upvote a comment do not need to give as much reward.
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@acidyo ·
Yeah, it was before the payouts started during July.

Yeah, and I was hoping with the slider we would have more votes on comments and thus giving them some value even though the majority would vote a low %, but its still not happening and most comment sections on posts are left deserted.

And yeah I know about anonsteem but newcomers should have an easier time signing up or they will just leave it be.
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@timcliff ·
Its my understanding that they are planning to expand the signup process before they leave 'beta'. I don't know how high it is at the moment though, since there are a lot of features people want.

Not sure how I feel about the comments change. At the very least, it would need to handle a sibyl form attack, and not just reward commenting for the sake of commenting. It seems like it would actually very hard to implement 'right'. I would more see it as a community initiative to try and start. The software doesn't necessarily need to change - we just need to get people rewarding comments more.

I will say though, I still do OK with comments. On a day where I spend a few hours reading through posts, finding good ones, and writing well thought out comments I can fairly easily pick up 5-10 SBD. If that's the case, the process can't be <em>too</em> broken :)
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@williambanks ·
This is a fantastic idea!
Also @someguy123 has a way to sign up with bitcoin...
https://anon.steem.network/

There is something coming in a few days that will make that even easier BTW.
Anyways I'm all for the suggestions.  Going to resteem this, more people need to see it.  I've also upvoted and I'm following you now too!
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@xanoxt ·
For a long time some of my comments paid much more than my posts, but that is probably something weird on my part. :) Even now, a lot of times my comments make more than my posts still. :-D

Anyhow the comments is where the best is usually at, so I usually comment and whatnot. And an incentive isn't needed for me. Still the fact that from like 40 upvotes there are zero to six comments that is the bit that is somewhat disheartening. But that probably has to do with people that are following me,  as well as what is in my posts.
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