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· @acidyo · (edited)
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Two more sites you can use without having to trust exchanges with your funds
A few days ago I made a post about services that you can use for trading between coins without needing to trust exchanges with them or holding them there for too long. You can read about [it here](https://steemit.com/trading/@acidyo/two-sites-you-can-use-without-having-to-trust-exchanges-with-your-funds).

I was made aware of 2 other sites that I wanted to bring up in this post.

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<center>https://www.frasindo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/LOGO-Changelly-1.png</center>

[Changelly](https://changelly.com/) is another service that offers a lot of tokens to trade in between. It is also one of the few ones that accept credit cards and only take a low fee of 0.5% per trade!


![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNd7dX3gW2jAVheYLfDZhBKWi6qiVkCXPCNa2MU6EAz3D/image.png)

I didn't have the best experience with it when it first was released but looking through reviews lately it seems they have they have improved a lot in the long run!

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmbZ5aVYTzzejc557ESN7NYftVyW9ueXdNVLzu9aVuwDy4/image.png)

Here is a list of all the currencies they offer to trade with the prices as of writing this. To stay safe always try it out with a lower amount first if you are going to dive into bigger trades!

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRn6Z7HexkcgGh9SXigjcg4tJpvaeuDcDCeTxFMXts3C6/image.png)

I hope to see more of these services popping up in the future to not have most users trust exchanges with their funds!

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<center>![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmWpNhZvtQbUzE1DuExgWdciujaMWnqZGaYhfwTpxDCq8B/image.png)</center>

[Living Room of Satoshi](https://www.livingroomofsatoshi.com/) is another great service that has been up and reliable for some time.

This one is a bit different as it allows you to do other things such as pay Bills directly with crypto's through their site for Australian residents! It also accepts a fair amount of cryptocurrencies such as Steem! 

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmT9Eh3jFzfk529o7djBBvNK5hg1WTjGsQCaYPUBgyEJae/image.png)

While doing this you can also be rewarded a point for every $1 spent which you then can trade in for some presents on their site!

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmT1rhm5JKLM2hi45R89tZxFTNYaWwYybdaVtPouDTJQju/image.png)

They also offer some cool stats showing what bills customers have used their crypto for on their page, check it out!

As always, test them out with a lower amount first before you do any bigger deals! Stay safe out there, Steemians! 

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@aaarashhh ·
It does not support IOTA and Cardano
Also exchange rate is not Fare !!!
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@abh12345 ·
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More alternatives to Poloniex, good!
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@abiye ·
I never thought this was possible until I read this post nice one and I greatful
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@aburmeseabroad ·
Changelly seem like something I am looking for.. Thank you for sharing..  I will see how it works for SGD compared to coinbase ..thanks again.
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@aggroed ·
I upped this post for 5 cents Acidyo.  That's all I got, but you can have it all.
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@ajmaln · (edited)
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I have already used changelly, and yeah they offers very low fees compared to others. But the duration of transaction is a bit long in my experience. The other one is new for me. Thanks for sharing more options.
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@acidyo ·
That's probably due to BTC and ETH having an overwhelmed network right now: http://blocktivity.info/
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@chelinxar1 ·
I thought that it was slow for the mining fee...or am i wrong?
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@akkha ·
Interesting sites ! Thanks for the information my friend !!
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@alexandrya92 ·
Many have site can windraw SBD..
I know it turns out there site easier and faster to windraw.
@acidyo
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@aljustun ·
I have seen lots of good remarks made about #changelly since the time you made the first post.
I hope the continue to live up to their reputation?
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@allen-muggy ·
Thanks for such a nice post.
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@anacristinasilva ·
Useful information, did not know these sites .. is a great alternative. Thank you for sharing @acidyo!
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@anjiba ·
You are right.
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @acidyo!
Your post was mentioned in the [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20171214) in the following categories:

* Comments - Ranked 10 with 117 comments
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@cameron99 ·
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@atmosblack ·
After using changelly for some transactions without a problem, I ran into one yesterday. I exchanged some Ether to Steem and everything was fine, but at the exchange step it froze and broke up with an error. I received no Steem and it´s now over 30 hours and I´m still waiting for the Ether refund. Mailed to support several times - still nothing. Not sure, if I will ever get my Ether back :( 
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@dankmaster ·
That sucks. Any updates?
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@atmosblack ·
No - I mailed them every day but no response at all (other than the automatic "we received your mail and will response within 24 hours bla bla) - what makes it worse is, that I really would have needed it urgently and I´m losing money every day - I will keep you updated, if I really should get my refund, but this was my last time I used Changelly for sure!
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@bartcardi ·
Thats a reliable option for your coins and tokens, but they are still online and you still have to trust a third person. The best thing you can do is put it in a hardware wallet so NOBODY but you can get to your coins and tokens.
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@basicstoliving ·
Thanks for the follow up post about this I will have to check out these exchanges. There are many exchanges and it can be pretty confusing for a newbie.
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@bendollars ·
Wow!! i believe that this changelly is like bitcon right? And what does it entail?
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@bluewinter ·
Which exchange is the lowest transaction fee?
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@calatorulmiop ·
Living Room of Satoshi  sounds like a mad scientist's layer :))) it's nice to know there are a few more safer options out there than the traditional exchanges.
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@cameron99 ·
@acidyo,you are best👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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@carbazel ·
Nice, this is the second time I heard about Changelly on Steemit too, must be catching on.
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@chelinxar1 ·
I would love that this idea expands to other countries!
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@clasicktv ·
Thats awesome, the crypto is advancing day by day and I am looking forward to what has to come!
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@cranium ·
These exchangers can not be compared to our non-interest-bearing exchange. Steem forward! Good luck to you and good.
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@creutzy ·
$1.54
Awesome! I knew about Changelly but I had no idea about the Living Room of Satoshi...  Changelly is rather painless to use, at least in my experience.
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@dachavez ·
Thanks for the update on this. 🤘
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@danyelk · (edited)
Nice I didn't know them thanks. What you think about Waves DEX they  implementing new technology, which will enable the network to process thousands of transactions per minute – making it the fastest decentralised Blockchain platform in the world according to them . This innovation will bring Blockchain technology to the next level of evolution, enabling it to compete with mainstream payment processors and to achieve mass-market adoption.“Waves-NG”, a next-generation technology designed to increase effective bandwidth and speed of block creation, is especially significant for businesses using Waves platform, since it allows conducting microtransactions without any delays which are typical for traditional Blockchain systems. It also allows the platform to withstand high loads, such as distribution of tokens following crowdsales and airdrops of bonus tokens. The speed of processing trading transactions on Waves decentralised exchange (DEX) is increased as well. There coin is doing well too at the moment 13 bucks.
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@deadspace ·
These are both pretty cool and nifty sites, man! That second one would be really useful if I were an aussie, would be rad to see them include the US and EU with the ability to pay bills directly in the future. Also, I think that's kinda cool that you get rewarded with points for every dollar spent, looks like what gamestop does with purchases except the rewards are actually cool and useful items instead of junk, lol.
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@denniskillz ·
I wish there were sites like this where a US resident was eligible. I guess there is space to build something like this for the US.
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@divilati ·
Good read! I mean with BTC prices skyrocketing I think it makes more sense to try cloud mining because of higher returns. https://hashflare.io/r/7487B9DC 10% OFF voucher: HF17PROF5
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@dobartim ·
New dimensions of business are being opened
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@dorthmaen ·
$2.44
More alternatives to all this overrated exchanges is sure a welcomed development.
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@drepo15 ·
Thanks for this information. I really get scared and uncomfortable leaving my coins in exchanges. And one always has to buy back to BTC before getting another thereby incurring more charges.
By circumventing this, these are great options.
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@elliotjgardner · (edited)
$1.65
I'll vouch for @changelly Used them a couple of times and I've always been happy with the service. Any delays I've had were because BTC takes so long to confirm.
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@enn0 ·
I've used changelly and shapeshift (inside Jaxx wallet) many times without problems. I think it's great if you want to make a quick trade without waiting for a long transfer process.
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@extraterrestrial ·
Thank you so much for the info! This is my second day on steemit and I love it! I am addicted. I am telling everyone I know about steemit. I really appreciate people like you trying to help newbies like me. I am upvoting and following :)
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@farq ·
Few things worth adding

1. These sites make money through the spread.. so their rates aren't the best. But take it for what it is.

2. Livingroomofsatoshi is starting to be seen as a way to dispose of cryptocurrency without having to sorry about the ATO trying to push for CGT. It is widely believed that spending your cryptocurrency is not a capital event, so whilst the rate on this site might be ~8% higher than other exchanges, if it saves you 25% or even 50% of your profits then it is well worth it.


* I'm not giving tax advice, and what I said above hasn't been tried and tested. But you bet that eventually the ATO Will be looking closely at cryptocurrency tax avoidance
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@fernandorivera ·
Do you recommend a place to convert bitcoin to paypal?
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@firelgd ·
I tried changely today but kept getting zero as the rate from USD to any other currency. Other start convrrsions give rate, but not from USD. Am i the only one with that bug??
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@flashfiction ·
Oh my God, i didn't know changelly. It is an amazing service! Thank you!
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@flowily ·
Cool , thx for sharing :) i was inspecting changelly before , but when i compared it to blocktrades , exchange rate  was not so profitable, although there is a bigger choice of altcoins. Regarding Living room of satoshi , it looks very cool , but it works only with australian dollars , which is very sad ((
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@frank1in ·
thanks for the great advice, great choice of currencies for exchange, a good post, I think with me many will agree, good luck
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@free999enigma ·
a worldwide site like Living Room of Satoshi would be the greatest thing in the world ! :D
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@dankmaster ·
Yes! Let's make it
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@gil2010 ·
The good new is to see how the market is growing fast.A good point for consumers.
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@gotgame ·
$0.69
Both sites seem great, cool features..... It's nice to have alternatives to the conventional exchanges around..... Reading through the comments I see positive reviews about the companies, that is a good sign too
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@gringalicious ·
I've been using changelly and powering up.  I am used them several times in recent weeks and they've been great
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@hairflare ·
$0.16
by using this site we can trade without converting our steem in Bitcoin. we can buy things with steem. is this service is only for Austarlia or it is world wide please tell me. thanks for sharing such a nice information !!!
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@acidyo ·
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>You can pay any bill that has the BPAY logo and Biller Code. More than 19,000 businesses accept payments using BPAY. You can also pay to any Australian bank account, even your own!
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@cameron99 ·
I think it isn't for Australia, It is for all world.
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@hanen ·
Wow thats amazing. It is very useful to pay services using BTC or Steem in the future. It will change the future and make life more easier for everybody.
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@howtostartablog ·
Lol living room of satoshi. That's a first for me.
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@hustletoparadise ·
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That's pretty cool with the Living Room of Satoshi!
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@iamnotageek ·
This is really good news that we are being given more options for our coins.
We can only grow from here I believe.
Changelly seems like a site I would like to try out.
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@james.martin ·
Wow ! Thanks for the great information
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@jasonmunapasee · (edited)
Very good my post.

Upvote and resteem.
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@jatin ·
i have used changelly- only thing i did not like is , when you have a trade already going on, you can not start the next trade until it is completed.
some times it takes more then 4 houts 
also if you use changelly try coinomni wallet, it changelly is embedded with wallet, so you do not have to scan or copy paste your wallet address.
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@johnycrypto ·
$0.25
I think Living Room of Satoshi is only for australian users or im wrong?
Thanks for sharing, i was looking for this
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@jokossita ·
What you think about Blocktrades? Is their fee high ?
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@journeyoflife ·
$4.23
That is pretty amazing I feel like they are going to come out with more and more new services as crypto expands
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@aaarashhh ·
It doesn’t support IOTA
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@dankmaster ·
It might be because IOTA is on the 'Tanlge' and not blockchain?
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@digitaldruid ·
$0.02
Just wait until a major ecommerce retailer starts accepting cryptos. If Amazon or eBay did this then you'd see an explosion of other retailers follow suit.  They would probably have a conversion application to support payouts to vendors as well. Exciting times.
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@flowerpowerart ·
overstock.com accepts bitcoin
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@polarg ·
It's just a matter of time
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@hossin007 ·
the amount of fees will play an important​ part
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@sarahah ·
whats amazing about that ?>???
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@jovema ·
I am trying Changelly today. thank you @acidyo
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@joy69 ·
I read your post @acidyo 

Great job . I follow your post and hold between coin 
I hold more coin
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@jumowa ·
Are there cheaper ones?
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@kartiksingh ·
i'm living in india ...can i buy  steem on chengelly with my debit card(visa)?
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@kingbum ·
One important thing about Changelly and that is if you are going to use your credit card to purchase coins on their exchange it is a $100 USD minimum. That is an important thing to know it is a bulk purchase no averaging down like you can do on Coinbase.
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@kommienezuspadt ·
Thanks for sharing @acidyo! I had no idea about Satoshi’s Living Room!
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@kotturinn ·
$2.43
I use changelly. Too bad they removed golos and gbg though.
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@lasper ·
$2.00
i have been using changelly and everything went smooth
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@leaky20 ·
Coinbase charges like 4% when you use a credit card. @acidyo are you saying that Changelly only charges 0.5% to buy with credit or did I misunderstand that? Maybe you're saying 1) you can buy crypto with a CC and 2) when trading the fees are only 0.5%. 0.5% for buying with a CC  seems to good to be true. If you can clarify that would be appreciated.
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@leap8 ·
I knew about changely and I've seen mentions about the living room of satoshi but never checked it out. Thanks for a nice intro to it!
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@lemm ·
Pretty cool alternatives for newcomers!
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@mathnatru ·
Wow, that's pretty interesting. I'm going to try it out!
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@mattclarke ·
I paid my $300 gas bill with LROS.
Smooth and quick :)
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@mawit07 ·
What is the difference between changelly and shapeshift? Shapeshift not as safe? Thanks.
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@mersio010 ·
Good
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@mhizblessing ·
Hi, pls  followback n like my post... Thanks
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@michellerhey ·
I wish the US didn't have so many dumb ass laws preventing stuff like Livingroom of Satoshi from operating here.. : {
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@mikefromtheuk ·
It's just a shame that not all coins are available on all exchanges and that a lot of coins require you to go through Bitcoin to get them which presents the problem of alt coins centralising around Bitcoin.
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@mikeycolon ·
This was very helpful and coming from you I trust what you say. 
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@miti ·
Hi @acidyo, I daily use changelly and i'm very satisfied. I think they have one of the best android app.
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@mj2307 ·
Good stuff, I have used changelly before but never even heard of living room of Satoshi.  Can't wait to try it out.  Thanks for the tip and nice first article as well.
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@mother2chicks ·
Thank you for this new information. 🐓🐓
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@mrkstn1 ·
Thank you for the info......
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@nathan24303 ·
I have been trying to find crypto with low or even 0% exchange fees. Thank you for this.
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@naturalworld ·
Can't wait to pay my bills with crypto here in the united shmates!
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@noboxes ·
$1.53
I've used changelly several times, as a matter of fact, about 1 hour ago.  I did have one issue a few weeks ago that they eventually resolved and I was messaged directly by the CEO.  I've recommended them to all my crypto friends
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@dankmaster ·
Awesome, sounds like a good company
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@noxdarkness ·
I use changelly and shapeshift and find both work great at what they do and made it easy to exchange coins for this noob.
https://shapeshift.io/#/coins
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@partywalrus ·
Interesting! I only knew about shapeshift.io 'til now. Followed!
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@pbock ·
these services are so much better than exchanges, it seems.

I'm guessing you'd still need exchanges if you want to trade crypto's at a minutes notice ? or do these services (or others) allow API access of some kind ?
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@pedia7 ·
cryptocurrencies will take over the market soon. My suggestion is for all peoples, invest in cryptocurrency to make a good future for yourself.
if you don't which is the best crypto to invest here is some suggestion.
as you know bitcoin is good but there are other powerful currencies exist in the market. litecoin monero zcash dash are already rocking in the market. now its time to find some other good currencies. here is My suggestion check this post to find out top 3 cryptocurrencies for 2018 https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@pedia7/second-crypto-mega-boom-i-believe-we-re-on-the-brink-of-a-second-crypto-boom
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@polarg ·
Thanks, it's always good to have more alternatives
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@polebird ·
$1.57
Haha the turn your points into presents concept is pretty cool!
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@praise-eu ·
I commend your grear job. Keep on keeping on.
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@prakashghai ·
hmm Changelly interface is nice

but not sure if its functionality is better than shapeshift
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@quinnpeterson ·
great information share,good job @acidyo
thanks for the good job
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@ratticus ·
I've used living room, because it's super simple and convenient. They did have an issue with my transfer though, but a simple email on business day 4 to them, and it was tracked down and confirmed to be an issue at their end which they sorted out within 12 hours with super responsive support staff. 

Pretty sure they're related too, since from memory the account you transfer the steem to is changelly.

Their lack of fees is great, though as you'd expect their actual conversion rate is slightly lower than other places, basically covering their fees in the conversion, which probably makes it better for smaller transfers, and those that like the simple convenience and the rewards program
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@realcryptokev ·
I've had some bad experiences with Changelly, it frustrated for my transaction to sit idle while the platform 'calculated the best rate'. They should allow you to lock in a rate like the other services.  I may give Changelly another try in the future but for now I'll go with the other services.
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@rigaronib ·
_The Living Room of Satoshi_ sounds incredible...if only there were a US version of this site!
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@rocking-dave ·
The fact that no crypto exchanges or services are 100% safe has been making me kind of worried. Since transactions are final, there is always a chance you would be ripped off. The way exchanges have been deciding to keep people's money hostage just as they please is quite unhealthy. If this was considered a financial service, I'm pretty sure that would be a crime. It might still be something one could sue over in some jurisdictions.
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@rocksg ·
Changelly is quite good and easy to use, low fee also is the best thing here. Three days ago I exchanged 800 steem to btc using it because bittrex is not generating my deposit address there, have you any idea about it?
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@samstickkz ·
I've heard about changelly before but haven't really tried it, I'll do that now
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@sangeeta ·
This 2 site is trusted. thanks for sharing new information @acidyo
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@shahab3211 ·
Changelly is a very good site ...you can trust them with your funds...
👍  ,
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@shariarahammad ·
Many important transactions shared with us to share with us your important thank you post for us
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@shayne ·
Yeah, @changelly has been my go-to for cashing out this sweet sweet SBD 
໒( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ )७

@shayne
👍  
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@skysnap ·
I wonder if there is any fiat exchange service. Like say we earn in SBD and can transfer it to bank. Because current scenario forces us to transfer into other currencies. Any ideas ? :)
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@spiritualmax ·
Uh Uh Uh, I'm really loving the fact that this parallel economy we are all in as early birds is growing every single day and people are hustling.

Makes me really hope for the future... heck I'm even smiling right now.

So exciting to live in this time.
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@steeminator3000 ·
$1.37
I want that whisky rocks. !
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@stephenlouis8 ·
thanks for the info,it will be a great help for us.. Thumbs up for you.
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@steveperzia ·
Thanks for the info.  Will definitely share this post with friends.
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@syedmazharali ·
Cool...
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@tariklharak ·
Thank you for the new info. So I can fully count on these two sites in case i wanted to exchange my funds, it was truly informative :)
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@tesaganewton ·
Have been using changelly for a while now, and though have tried bittrex and poloniex, i would revert back to changelly, i think changelly is more convenient.
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@dankmaster ·
Nice, thanks for the review
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@travelwithus ·
i am using Changelly a lot of time. I am very satisfied with the, But right now, they have some problem with the website. Maybe server is overload, because many people try to exchange they coins? I am not able to change any coin right now. since 3 days already. Are you able @acidyo?
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@tuneday25 ·
Great,I appreciate
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@turksays ·
Changelly works the best for me it's fast and has low fees compared to others. Thumbs up!
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@tutufaith ·
Wow, more option. I didn't know about changelly and it looks more cheaper . I will try it out, thanks @acidyo for this wonderful information.
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@valth ·
Thanks for telling us about these two, @acidyo! I had never heard of either of them, but I'll keep them in mind if I ever need to buy some more Steem ;)
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@viraldrome ·
Exchanges all seem to have downsides like they are slow or buggy or they want too much of my info for know your customer rules. I welcome competition
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@wajahatsardar ·
$0.03
wow amazing now we can buy online things and trade with bitcoin it is really amazing thanks for sharing @acidyo
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@xabi ·
I used Changelly and the experience was awesome!
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@yatika ·
Very informative post! Will check out the sites you mentioned here. Thanks.
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@youngjerv ·
Thanks you so much for this great info, i have use changelly in the past on minergate cloud mining and it was great.
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@zacknight ·
Wow, that's pretty interesting. I'm going to try it out!
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@zalandir ·
more site will take crypto payment better it will be
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