they will always find a way around it :(

That's a very interesting solution. :)

Thanks for your very clear post. I have proposed the same in my post https://steemit.com/steemit/@emble/will-steem-succeed-or-commit-suicide

There is a human behind every bot. As a bot user myself, I can tell you that I DO read content, I DO upvote posts manually when I have the time to read, and I DO engage with the community.

Bots are not perfect. They don't have the intelligence yet to vote exactly the same way people would vote. But if they could, would there be a reason to complain?

Maybe we just need better bots.

As far as crap content, that's subjective. The trending page has a lot of bot upvotes. It also almost always has something I want to read. And stuff I don't want to read. And a Chinese girl in a bikini, which I don't care to read but might want to look at ;)

So here is your manual upvote from somebody who uses bots. Cheer up, work hard, and don't worry about the bots. They're not hurting Steemit.

very informative allfabeta

This seems like a great idea! I've just written about [my own proposition](https://steemit.com/steemit/@oddnugget/ditching-the-socialist-approach-on-steemit-make-steemit-a-genuine-free-market-or-watch-it-fail) to combat some of the platform's problems as well. You might be interested in joining the discussion.

I completely agree and i have been trying to raise this point myself but of course since nobody really votes for content, but rather for persons or whichever post gets them the highest payout, hardly anybody reads my posts.

I upvoted yours, maybe you get lucky and this sort of discussion can finally make it to Hot or Trending. Because this moment, big names on Steemit can just take a dump on the keyboard, post it and see it on Trending in a matter of hours netting them several hundred dollars worth.  Just look at Jerry Banfield getting $250 for his terryfing shirtless pic post.. This is completely insane, and if it is not addressed and changed will lead to the downfall of Steemit I believe.  If Steemit only ends up being a financial upvoting circle then that has significant impact on it's value compared to the social network it wants to be.

Views are not an accurate measure of how many views a post really got because it only counts views of a post when viewed via steemit.com. You can read steemit posts on other sites like busy.org and chainBB, as well directly reading it from the blockchain, and these do not count towards views.

So the view number is really a minimum amount. You can assume it is probably more than this, but you can know how much.

I think there can often be less views than votes though, but we really can't know for sure what the difference is.

> I have a change request for Steemit UI - button Upvote should become active only after scrolling a post, the same as on any licence agreement. Yes, it would broke bots, but it would help to create more honest community.

The up vote button is already at the bottom of the post, so isn't this idea already implemented? Also bot do not use steemit.com, they use one of the APIs (which allow "direct" access to the blockchain) so this would have no impact on bots even if it were implemented.

Interesting observation and good suggestion about scrolling!

Bots can be modified to emulate page scrolling, so this wont change much..

@ned calls these folks social media heavy hitters. 
He's talking about personalities that come over from FB, YT, etc.

What I notice; they come over, start posting clap trap (mostly) and have many users upvote them, that really don't seem to post themselves, just upvote their fav media personalities. 

Almost like a different set of planets orbiting the same sun. They don't interact much with the established bloggers from what I see. 

But they sure do affect the rewards pool.

I think that would make it more content focused as well. Might ruffle some feathers though