*The more incompetent someone is, the less they are able to detect and recognize said incompetence.* <div class=text-justify>I'm just paraphrasing, this is not the actual definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect, but it's probably the best interpretation - in my opinion, and since I'm the one writing this post, my word is law, you're just a guest here, so get with the programm. #### Now, a less offensive definition of this effect is, *the less we know, the more we believe we know*. This definition is pretty easy to disect: The less capable we are, added to the short knowledge we have of things, the more unrealistic and overestimated our judgement about our own capabilities and knowledge will be.</div> > Reading about this effect, I couldn't help but to think about something my dad used to tell me. His intention wasn't to talk to 12 year old me about the Dunning-Kruger effect, but to exemplify how, the more we read, understand and research, the more we realize how little we actually know about the world and of knowledge itself. He used to give me this example: *Eric, imagine a chess board, no pieces, just the board. Now Imagine you are at the very center of it. You are the king, can move wherever you want among the 8 spaces surrounding you. That's your potential knowledge. According to you, the existing universe are those 9 spaces, the one you are in, and the other 8 you can learn and investigate. But, what happens when you move accross one of them? You realize there are 3-5 new spaces you didn't know even existed, and now you come to the conclusion that there aren't 7 spaces yet to investigate, but now you have - potentially - 10 to 12 spaces full of knowledge, and so on. Perhaps he was trying to awaken my thirst for knowledge, maybe he was attempting to humble me in a fatherly way - I used to (I currently am, but I'm working on fixing this, every day, until I die, I guess) be an arrogant, full of myself kid - or it could be just a way of explaining to me how, an argument is only fruitfull if the other person can grasp the concepts and ideas you are wielding, otherwise, you won't be able to reach a middle ground, get convinced by the other party, or get the other person to change their mind. #### Sarcasm and the Dunning-Kruger effect #### I was reading [this article](https://rinconpsicologia.com/efecto-dunning-kruger-causas-origen/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_mediutwitter) - it's in spanish, sorry you monolingual losers - a few hours ago, which is exactly why I decided to write about this topic. On that piece they don't mention sarcasm or the psychology behind this effect but, it got me thinking. <div class="pull-left">Do you know how some times, when arguing with someone you start being sarcastic because the other person is literally too stupid to engage with and, as expected, this person doesn't get your sarcasm, believes you are being serious and thus, you end up being am even bigger idiot to their eyes? </div> <div class="pull-right">https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Mr_Pipo_Dunning_kruger.svg/250px-Mr_Pipo_Dunning_kruger.svg.png </div> *** Well, in these modern times we now have the wise-smart-internet-knight that, despite their utter and blatant idiocy, act as if they owned the truth and copyrighted logic. Getting in an argument with an internet idiot - which believe me, are more common that you'd think - is pretty much the most pointless way of wasting time. You will end up angry because, despite your logic, easy to grasp concepts and dydactic way of explaining someone your mindset/viewpoint, they will never seem to quite get it; at the same time, you would have wasted your precious time trying to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced and lastly, and probably the most irrelevant of them, your image towards the other party will be stained, because for them, you are an even bigger idiot than you were before you *lost* the argument to them. Who knows, perhaps indeed you are an idiot and you are actually a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Maybe you believe you are in the wiser side of the argument and you are the logic wielder in a conversation; most likely, the other party will be the same; so who's the idiot and a victim of this effect and who, indeed, holds the knowledge and logic in that specific topic? I'm not a genius and 99.99% of you reading this, also are not. All we can do to never be a idiot, is to be humble, listen to other people's arguments, try to understand them and most importantly, never speak as if our truth is the universal truth and there is nobody wiser than us in any given topic.
author | anomadsoul |
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Rude, insulting, but understandable.
author | cranium |
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As in most cases, the truth can be rude and rather insulting, yet it stays true :D
author | anomadsoul |
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Thank you for the reminder ... necessary in these times!
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You need to pick your battles. I nave encountered this situation so many times.
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I'm on the point where I don't engage in these conversations or with these people unless I really have to, else the time wasted and energy depleted would be off the charts :P
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Quite interesting topic Eric. I used to be in the ignorant side of the coin (and still am) but growing up has made me see things in another perspective. Sometimes I'm hot headed when it comes to politics, but one thing I've learned is to easily identify with which person I'm going to engage. I like engaging with people who I think are more intelligent than me; That way I might learn something from them. If I did the opposite, the only thing I could get is an unnecessary headache. We should be commited in some degree to seek knowledge. "Ignorants" vote, too. Regards Bro.
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Guess Dunning-Kruger effect doesn't work on twitter.
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Oh, I would say its completely opposite, everyone on Twitter is an expert about everything :P Hm, you probably were being sarcastic here, not sure.
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haha..
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Almost everyone you know secretly thinks you're a little dense. You might agree with them on GM foods, aliens, ghosts, the origin of the universe, Keynesian economics and abortion; but if you can't see the self-evident truth about vaccines, you're almost as smart as they are, but not quite. Now imagine all those topics in the heads of all of your acquintances. You only win a point for topics on which you agree with them, they award themselves automatic points for each topic (since they're right). It's incredibly rare that your stated beliefs on controversial topics match more than 80-90% of theirs; so you'll probably never be awarded full intelligence marks; except perhaps by people with whom you never discuss controversial topics.
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I spend a lot of time wondering if I am the dumb one. Especially these days when I look at what people think and say online. I used to get really bent out of shape and get really wound up, and think 'how can so many people think this stupid thing.. am I the stupid one?' My hope is that by feeling stupid, perhaps according to this theory I am smarter than I think. It is true that the more I learn, the dumber I feel. It is quite paradoxical.
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I find myself questioning my arguments quite frequently, especially when most people in the room think the opposite of what I think but, something being the opinion of the majority doesn't make it correct or true. If you like this topic, you could read some about the 10th man theory, I believe you'll be interested in it.
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Thanks, I will check it out.
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Nice chess board analogy. I think with people you disagree with, it's just a matter of finding common ground you can work with. Sometimes it's pointless getting into arguments. You're right that the internet is the worst place for it, very little chance of gaining consensus.
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Definitely. I don't think you have to agree with everyon on everything, there will be different points of view and that's fine, but when the other party doesn't even seem to grasp your concepts or understand your points, it's useless to try and reach a middle ground.
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I remember being that arrogant know it all little brat, and am reminded every time I see it in my kids XD That chessboard analogy is brilliant, I'll try to remember that one for next time it comes up with my mob :D But yeh this is why I tend to coward out of most contentious looking things >_> <div class="pull-right">https://technonaturalist.net/sites/default/files/styles/sensible_display/public/art/2019/09/heartfyn_0.png?itok=QHDoN0HE</div>
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