Some people think ignoring information in a debate makes them more right, well..
Newsflash, just claiming you are right and not looking at the other sides information does not make you right.
They probably think it's hard to be wrong if you just say you're right in an absolute and charismatic way and don't acknowledge the conflicting information..
Though in my opinion.. That is wrong.
I hate when I'm debating someone and I answer and respond to every major point they make and they ignore virtually every major question and point I make.
Was arguing with a guy yesterday who is an animal product consumer and we were getting into the philosophy and morality of veganism and..
He just couldn't seem to understand how paying for the death of someone or something is pretty much equivalent to doing it yourself.
He claimed he had never personally hurt an animal, so.. Him buying dead animals to eat wasn't immoral.
I asked him if the law or court would let him slide if he paid to have a person assasinated, but didn't actually kill them himself.
And.. He just didn't seem to get it, he later repeated himself in the discussion again and said..
"I've never personally hurt an animal, I LOVE ANIMALS"...
Well, if you really love them.. Don't pay to have them murdered and then eat their corpses unless you absolutely need to for your health.
Which.. You probably do not, and that never even came up in the conversation. He didn't seem concerned about his health or the animals health or the planets health, but was more concerned about the tastes he is addicted to.
Furthermore, this reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere, about how if everyone had to kill their own animals to eat, few would be meat eaters.
That just goes to show you right there that.. There's almost something different about the people who have no problem killing.
Cause.. They have no problem killing.. Others, given the choice.. Consider the morality involved and the empathy..
Especially when they have to do the deed, they have to look into the eyes of the creature and hear it scream.
There's also that quote by Lennon I think that said something like.. "If slaughterhouses had glass walls everyone would be vegetarian"
Which I don't think is totally true, cause some people just don't care. They have becomes the beasts of nature they seem to want to be.
When justifying the behavior of lions or whatever predatory animal, they have sort of embodied that beast in human form and they have nullified certain parts the empathic parts of their brain.
I think this is a critical aspect here. Because.. Once you flip that switch.. And I've seen it in my life countless times.
Where people all of a sudden go from charming and caring and compassionate to stone cold fucking ruthless killers against whatever they are upset at or threatened by.
And it's kinda creepy.. To me it's fine when that energy is used towards unjust villains and serious threats..
Though when that same flip is switched towards innocent undeserving people or animals.. It becomes really fucked up really fast.
BUT.. I think on a more umm.. Neurological level what's happening is.. A detachment from the compassion centers in the brain.
IE, you are sort of performing a self lobotomy, you are removing these natural parts of your brain responsible for caring.. And you are basically deleting them or wiping them out.
This is how people become sociopaths and psychopaths without the trauma of a physical injury.
NOT just from killing animals, but.. This process in the brain, where.. When presented a moral dilema.. One chooses to ignore it.
The sort of, angel above one shoulder, devil above the other metaphor..
When someone is presented with this.. They are literally rewiring the plasticity in their brain and severing or alligning connections between brain cells to facilitate the new belief system.
You could say this about almost any issue as I said, not just killing animals.
And.. According to some recent research, people hold on to their beliefs like they hold on to their life.
So once a belief has been accepted or programmed into them or conditioned into them, to change it is almost like dying.
It kind of is in a sense, you have to let go of your old self who believed those old things. The old you dies.
BUT.. If you don't become scared of that process you are also continually reborn and ressurected into an even more harmonious being in the sense you line up with the natural laws of the universe more.
I've noticed this in myself at times, when someone presents some information I'm unaware of that challenges what I believe.. Like, my heart rate will change, sometimes I may start sweating, physical changes happen in my body similar to as if I was in a physical fight.. And I've been in those as well so I can compare them. They are similar.
As much as I've come to dislike a lot of what Alex Jones does, one thing I've always had a lot of respect for was his choice or.. THE choice where ever it came from to name his show "Infowars"...
The reason I bring that up is because.. Exchanging ideas is much like fighting, it really is like a war.
People don't wanna die or lose or have to join the other side they used to hate so much!
Not to mention all the propaganda and bullshit going around..
The way two people debate could be likened to wars in very compelling ways.
Like for example.. Two people exchanging ideas that conflict, there's a battle there.. Of one trying to impose certain ideas on the other.
And this doesn't always result in a win or a loss by any means, I'd say the vast majority are draws because neither side will want to accept ego death.
Yet, I think it really is a lot like fighting and I think that's one reason I've enjoyed debate so much..
I've always kinda known that and as a martial artist who loved fighting and training my body growing up, I wanted to keep my brain healthy and in shape too.
It's kind of a good reminder in my opinion in numerous different ways.. That.. No wonder people get so passionate and defensive about certain issues.
Whether it's religion, politics, veganism, whatever. They have literally reshaped their brains whether to be more in line or less in line with the natural laws of the universe.
AND.. Their "fixed" belief in such things, creates a "fight or flight" for the ego, and for someone who is TERRIFIED of ego death and becoming one with the universe... That's not easy!
I think this is a major reason why so many people can never admit to being wrong about almost anything almost ever.
They are so fucking stuck in their "ego" and haven't realized more of a "universal" consciousness.
They are desperate to always be right about almost everything.. Cause if they aren't, it means part of their concept of self dies and they are terrified of losing who they are and becoming someone new.
If I were to put that lens on myself.. I could see a couple areas in my life where my ego is holding me back.
And.. I don't think ego is ALL bad like a lot of people do, don't get me wrong.
I think ego is critical for existence for without separation from the whole, everything would just blend together.
How could an individual experience exist without the illusion of self? Or the.. Partial illusion.
Anyways.. Umm.. I guess what I need to work on is.. Even more trying to better understand and accept others for their conflicting MORAL viewpoints.
But that's difficult for me cause I'm a very moral person and I have programmed myself to immediately react to immoral things and very strongly too.
A lot of people like me for that reason, and I like me for that reason, though.. Perhaps I need to refine it even more.
And why wouldn't I? I don't think we should ever stop learning or trying to refine and redefine ourselves and become better.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is no morality, maybe nothing matters, maybe the mass murderer and the rapist are the same as the saint.
That seems incredibly illogical to me, though I try to challenge even my most deeply held beliefs often..
Cause I don't think we get to the truth whatever that might be by confirmation bias and trying to prove what we want to be true..
No.. I think we get much closer to the truth when we look at both sides or as many sides of the story as possible..
AND, when we try to prove things wrong.
There's an old saying that goes something like.. "If you can't prove something wrong, it's right." and while I think that is worded weirdly, I also think there's a lot of truth to be found in that sentiment..
I think it's important to try to prove things wrong, and if you can't.. Maybe they are right. At the least I think it helps guide you more towards what is right.
If such a thing as "right" even exists.