I can understand Bitcoin: it's a decentralized, permission-less system to store and transfer value. If you want to use that storage and value transfer system, then you obviously need to store some of your own value into that system. So you buy BTC and you drive the price up ever so slightly. But why would anyone buy STEEM? You don't need more than your 10 starting STEEM to post, comment or read stuff on steemit. The only reason to own STEEM that I can see is to get even more STEEM by posting and curating content. If the price of STEEM remained steady or increased, that would be good enough. However, there is a 100% yearly inflation. Assuming the market cap remains constant, that means each STEEM will lose half of its value by next year. That is a tremendous downward pressure: why would anybody invest into something that loses half of its value every year? Unless the market cap increases, but that brings us back to the first point: why would anybody buy STEEM with USD or any other fiat? There is also another risk: even if you buy STEEM and power them up, you might end up losing more money to inflation than you will make from contributing on steemit, if you are a less popular than average contributor. I really cannot figure out the economic model of STEEM. If nobody has a good reason to buy STEEM, then the currently rising price is a bubble resulting from pure speculation. What is going to happen 2 years from now, when huge volumes of STEEM have been powered down and nobody is there to buy it? #steemhelp
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Starting with the network's 16th hard fork in December 2016, Steem began creating new tokens at a yearly inflation rate of 9.5%. The inflation rate decreases at a rate of 0.01% every 250,000 blocks, or about 0.5% per year. The inflation will continue decreasing at this pace until the overall inflation rate reaches 0.95%. This will take about 20.5 years from the time hard fork 16 went into effect.
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Wait 100% inflation? Are you sure about this? Cause it is really important thing.
author | bartosz546 |
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Hey bartosz.. I'm new to theplatform.. did you ever figure this one out?
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Very good disucssion. I was about to start a similair discussion. Not sure if I believe in the current crypto investment climate but I do believe in the blockchain. We do need more indept investment analysis. Besides coinmarketcap.com there is: https://www.coincheckup.com This site gives you a complete in depth investment analysis on every crypto in the market.
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"why would anybody invest into something that loses half of its value every year? " I don't know ;) But people also don't buy gold, bitcoin or other better alternatives when they suffer from fiat-money inflation... http://www.debtisover.com
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I agree with @dantheman and @gavvet. So, I believe advertisers are the end game as well... But, what will happen to liquidity? If advertisers buy up much of the steem, they are not going to let it go. Without liquidity, where is the benefit to new curators/creators? It's possible that the best content creators who might be dolphins or whales now, could turn into minnows when they cash out to advertisers.... Then, how will these new minnow content creators make money if the advertisers are only upvoting their own posts? The shift to advertising whales could be a huge negative X factor. Looking forward to your thoughts. P.S Still bullish
author | monopoly-man |
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What's missing from your understanding is that Steem Power is protected from inflation. If you Power Up, your Steem is "mostly" unaffected by inflation, in exchange for reduced liquidity and increased voting power. I say "mostly" because it's not 100% protected, but the math is a little confusing so maybe someone else can explain that in a better way. Why do you think that huge amounts of Steem will have been powered down 2 years from now? If Steem is a success I'd think it would be the opposite, that huge amounts of Steem will remain locked in Steem Power form in order to provide voting power to users. I recommend reading the [white paper](https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf) as well as this post and its discussion: https://steemit.com/steemhelp/@aem/steem-for-noobs.
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Thanks, I had read that already, but it didn't really explain why people would want to buy more STEEM imho... > Why do you think that huge amounts of Steem will have been powered down 2 years from now? Well I would guess that people who made a profit would try to lock in some of it at least. And since it takes 2 years to power down, a careful strategy would be to power down some STEEM regularly. But I was mostly of assuming people would sell if there was no reason to buy. Granted, STEEM provided voting power, but why would people pay for more voting power?
author | arkanaprotego |
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steemit.com will gain in popularity and once there are many users there will be double the eyeballs. Advertisers Promoters etc. love eyeballs and will buy up Steem to increase visibility for their content
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Assuming 100% of steem were locked in steem power, the maximum real inflation rate is 10% per year, less than Bitcoin. Currently 99% is locked in steem power. If less than 90% is held as power, then power will pay a positive inflation adjusted rate of return.
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Thanks for your reply. This answers the part regarding inflation. However, there is still something I do not get. Can the market cap be expected to increase? And if so, why? Is there any intrinsic benefit to owning STEEM, except earning more STEEM?
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Hi @dantheman I don't get why the inflation rate would be 10% if 100% of steem would be locked in steempower. Is this because the 'interest' per year is 90%?
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Bitcoin's total supply is capped.
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