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Thank you so much for such a long and important comment. I was waiting for a Catholic voice here. Sadly I'm not sure what your assumptions are. Because I cannot guess what's your position about the historical development of early Christian beliefs, and especially about the history of earliest writings and Christology, let me ask you this: why do you think that Church's idea of "the value professed by Christ" was ever immutable, especially before Irenaeus? Whose soteriology exactly are you talking about? Paul's? The Synoptics? John's? What about the writings from outside of the canon? Didache? Thomas? (I'm sure by "professed by Christ" you don't mean "professed by historical Jesus"... ) I'm sorry about my "ignorance around the theme". But I need you to be more precise in order to help me educate myself.
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Dear @assayer, I don't distinguish between theories of salvation, the only one is that of Christ as written in the gospels, which is the way, the truth and the life. If you are not sure of my assumptions, on the other hand I am concerned with yours, one for all "The problem, in my opinion, is that the Church is almost obsessed with being Immutable". Letting Irenaeus, Nicaea and the historical processes apart, I don't think here it's a matter of being obsessed with being immutable. Religion IS immutable for its own definition, and not only Catholic one. Go and tell to a protestant to change the concept of the holy Trinity. I believe that this is the meaning of establishing principles. Please don't misunderstand me, we are all sons of our times and the language and communication do have to adapt (plus I am sadly aware of the need for our church to find better ways to reach people with the message). I could never teach you, that would be very arrogant from my end (re your last sentence) ;-) Oh one last thing, you're a thinking mind, I would be curious to know your point of view on my last article.
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'only one (soteriology) is that of Christ as written in the gospels' That's little more precise but I'm sure you know that we have texts, parts and sometimes only a description of maybe 50 early Christian gospels. So when you say that what you believe about salvation is 'written in the gospels' that's very unclear for me. Pls give me some description of this soteriology and show me the textual basis for this description. That way I will know what you referring to. You say that 'religion IS immutable for its own definition'. But I'm asking: can we trust this definition? I think the only way to check it out it is to look at the details of the theory of salvation you believe in according to your sources, and then work with more sources to check out if there was (or wasn't) a different theory before or after. P. S. Your article about technology looks very promising for me, for sure I will read it and comment tomorrow.
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Dear @assayer.. I would reply by re-quoting John 14:6. As per the meaning of gospels I refer to the canonical ones, we could use the king's james bible so we make happy our protestant friends too. However the theory of salvation is the one of us saved by grace. Being myself a catholic, you can check the doctrine of faith on this and you will have the reply ;-) It's about the sacrifice of Christ when crucified, and the freedom coming from it. As per the immutability: If you call yourself a devote of a religion, then you follow that religion. This doesn't mean we blindly follow something without questioning, it just means that - without renouncing to your criticism - there's a moment in which faith comes into the game. At the same time, there's room for change in every religion, as long a the principles are maintained as the backbone of it. Let me go back to your analogy with the blockchain... suppose that bitcoin's blockchain can be modified...would it be worth it and would the bitcoin have the value that it has nowadays? You see, that's my point.
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