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Advertising Revenue and Distributions on the Steem Blockchain by ats-david

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Advertising Revenue and Distributions on the Steem Blockchain
### Why would we need or want advertising on Steemit?  Why would the Steem blockchain need revenues?

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Relying on the next buyer of your token isn’t a long-term strategy. It’s essentially a Ponzi scheme – without the accompanying lies about business profits from revenue generation. If revenues *can* be made and even distributed to holders of a token, then why not take the appropriate steps to make it happen? Diverting from the typical cryptocurrency concept of “buy now because it might be worth more later” is a welcomed move, in my opinion.  

Having the ability to actually receive passive returns on investment (in the form of dividends), other than simply from price increases, can bring a lot more attention and attract more “smart” investment into a crypto token. So, how do we get there?

### *Advertisements,* of course.

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![steemit_advertising.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmeaM6doFuQNAEmYd2WYJT8BXWJdhMjWAXUvANx5zyAhXQ/steemit_advertising.jpg)

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I know, I know...I’ve heard it all since I joined Steemit last summer.  

Advertising is bad and will ruin Steemit. It will make the platform unattractive. It will lead to data collection and other terrible things. 

I’m not convinced of any of that and there’s no reason why we can’t have advertising *and* a good user experience where control is retained by the individual user. There are many ways that advertising can play out in the Steem ecosystem, so let’s dive right in.

### Account Creation and Investment

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Any individual or company can make a one-time investment ($500,000, $1 million, $5 million) and use that to “promote” their own advertisements in the form of blog posts (Steemit), images (Steepshot), links and short messages (Zappl), and any other app built on the Steem blockchain. 

Instead of a one-time advertising campaign where the funds are spent and gone, these individuals and companies can make continuous posts and use their own influence and following to not only be seen on the platform on various “hot” or “trending” pages, *but they also have the potential to earn profits for doing so.* The slogan that targets companies could be: **_Get paid to advertise!_**

This option would be a direct investment into their own brand’s/company’s presence/marketing. Imagine a company like Samsung investing in 10 million STEEM Power so that they can produce marketing/advertising content on their own blog, have their followers read, comment, and re-post it, and then actually earn profits from the rewards gained on that post. Then imagine dozens or hundreds of companies doing the same. 

### Auction Blocks for Premium Advertising

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For exclusive advertising on Steemit, there can be a daily auction for a 24-hour block of premium ad space for the auction winner. Instead of a gaudy, flashing neon banner image, the pages would simply display the normal thumbnail and tagline for a post created by the auction winner for that ad block. 

The 24-hour auction could begin at 0:00 UTC and conclude at 23:59 each day.  It could be followed by a 72-hour period for post development, then the post would need to be submitted for the ad space. 

The Steemit ad spaces would include a featured post on the welcome page and the top of the *new, hot, trending,* and *promoted* pages. 

The revenue generated from the advertisement auctions could be distributed to all Steem accounts based on Mvests.  There could also be an opt-in or opt-out setting for seeing those ads – with those who opt in receiving the distributions and those who opt out *not* receiving them.  Visitors (non-users) would not have the option.  They would need to sign up in order to opt out. This would create incentives for either option: Sign up to opt out of seeing the advertisements or sign up to earn from the distributions...and buy/power up STEEM to earn more.

Imagine a company like Pepsi purchasing ad blocks with STEEM or SBDs and then *actually using* those currencies to purchase premium ad spaces.  The revenue is then collected via the daily auction and distributed to stakeholders every day.  This creates demand for the Steem currencies, provides an on-chain use for them, provides more utility for STEEM Power, and provides an opportunity for passive return on investment for stakeholders. 

### Auction Blocks for Targeted Advertising

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These would be tag-specific ads that could appear at the top of each page under specific tag searches, such as photography, food, or travel.

A company like Canon, Nikon, or Sony could bid on ad spaces in a similar fashion to the premium ads, but their posts would be displayed only under the tags on which they bid.  If Canon were to win the auction block for photography, then their submitted post would be at the top of the new, hot, trending, and promoted pages *only under “photography.”*

In addition to the tag’s main pages, there could also be a link with thumbnail embedded in every post using the “photography” tag.  The same opt-in and opt-out rules would apply for in-post ads.  Users would have the option of not displaying or seeing those ads and would either receive or not receive the distributions from the auction, while non-users would not have the option. 

Incentivizing the opt-in would very likely result in more people choosing that option, thus making advertising more attractive for the advertising individuals or businesses, which in turn could boost demand for the Steem currencies from companies and individual investors alike. Those users who do not wish to see ads on the platform would still have the option to not see them. 

### Buying Ad Space on Individual User Posts

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This would be the most direct, traffic-based advertising strategy where the user essentially has full control over whether they want their readers to see ads or not. Many successful users on YouTube have had companies/advertisers come to them to either create videos to promote their product or to embed their ads on a specific user’s video/page.  The same type of popularity/traffic-based advertising can occur on Steemit, with direct payments from companies to individual bloggers. 

The details for this type of advertising would be worked out directly between the two parties and readers would likely not have the ability to opt out of seeing the ads displayed in the posts. 

*All of these options would also result in an entirely new set of data and analytics – more apps or businesses that can be built and monetized, such as premium analytical services for marketers and advertisers.  And all of it would be non-intrusive.*

### Will Companies Invest and Advertise...and What Should We Do?

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Whether or not companies will invest into a cryptocurrency-based social media platform and advertise on it remains to be seen, but I believe that – if the user base grows large enough – the potential audience reach would become harder and harder to pass up. If there are millions of active users and many more millions of visitors to the sites, there will surely be people wanting to capitalize on the audience and we as users would be crazy to continue to oppose monetization via advertising if revenues can be made and shared among stakeholders.

Even if you are vehemently opposed to any and all advertising, you can still have the option to not view the ads. But even if you choose to not view the direct advertisements, you’re still going to see some form of marketing and advertising within posts over time. It’s inevitable. It’s unavoidable. 

If there is an opportunity to create a revenue model via the blockchain and if there is an opportunity to share that revenue with investors/stakeholders via the blockchain, then that opportunity ought to be seized. The Steem blockchain is a zero-fee transaction network. There are no built-in revenue mechanisms. The currency is only guaranteed to flow *out* of the system. That’s not sustainable without new buyers constantly flooding *in.* Rather than rely on the Ponzi-like concept, we should find ways to monetize what can be relatively easily monetized, as many social media platforms have already demonstrated.  

Notwithstanding everything mentioned above, a larger audience will likely require a much better flagship interface and complementary apps. But we can save that conversation for another time.

### What are your thoughts on this?  Are these advertising and distribution options feasible via the blockchain and interfaces? Should advertising revenues and distributions be part of Steem/Steemit? Should stakeholders benefit from monetization of the platforms? 

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@aircypto ·
Yes this is it, it will work and a lot will get in on it
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@aleph ·
As someone who studied Steemit a bit, I can tell you categorically that Steemit is NOT a Ponzi scheme.  The concept is pure economic genius coupled with pure technological genius.
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@alexanderbaima ·
If Steemit had advertising like Youtube, eventually the advertisers would control the content, not the people or community.
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@ats-david ·
Nobody can control the content here except the user. If they *want* to be controlled, then they can be controlled. It's not really any different than people writing posts that they think will receive votes from whales. 

In any case, the direct-to-user ads are only one of several options and it is an option that is 1) out of anyone else's control and 2) not part of any potential blockchain protocol.
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@allmonitors ·
interesting! just like other platform, putting ads in steemit is a slick idea..steem ads anyone?
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@anarcho-andrei ·
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I remember the last time you brought this up way back when, and I was in agreement with you then.  I like that you've refined your idea since then, and I am 100% onboard with it now as well.  Advertising can be done via the blockchain the way you described with minimal re-tooling and minimal additional programming, since it uses functions that already exist.  It just requires some novel implementation.

Upvoted 100% and resteemed.  I want to get this idea circulated some more.  Hopefully the devs can see this and give it some thought.
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@anomiej · (edited)
Yes thank you for saying this. Steem is a ponzi scheme if in the end there is no way of monetizing it, and the current promoted posts really don't have much exposure, since they are confined to the "promoted" area.
Personally, I appreciate the two first ideas (premium and tag specific). Visually reddit promoted posts work like that and they aren't intrusive or disturbing at all.
 I'm not so sure about ads on individual user posts. This could lead to pressures from the advertisers on the user to use a certain langage, to  restrain from commenting on some subjects. On Youtube there was this huge outrage when channels talking (neutrally) about politics or war where demonetized because advertisers didn't want to advertise on such subjects. I feel like this is a subtle yet very dangerous form of censorship, and to me it is not welcome on steem.
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@ats-david ·
Advertisers and users can use whatever language or rules that they want for their acceptance or non-acceptance of terms. I don't consider this to be an issue. Many companies and brands do not wish to be involved in controversial topics and that is their right. If a user finds their requests to be unbearable, then they can simply refuse to agree to the terms and find another advertiser.
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@anomiej · (edited)
I agree that this is the advertisers right to use the non-acceptantce terms they want. However it is still a pressure on the user. The user might need the money and become a complete sellout, or they would abstain from talking about matters they wanted to talk about, which would overall decrease the value of STEEM. The simple *possibility* of that happening on steem is unacceptable to me. I don't want to see users being bought out by companies, and the steem blockchain supporting it.
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @ats-david!
Your post was mentioned in my [hit parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20170710) in the following category:

* Pending payout - Ranked 9 with $ 446,04
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@arcturian ·
Steemit definitely needs a better advertising platform, and develop a great User Interface accordingly.

It was a great read. Thank you!
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@benou ·
We just need one thing : Carry on Steemit :)
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@bitfairy ·
Please no ads please 🙏
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@anonfolderall ·
The ads will be optional, if you choose to view them, you get paid.
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@bitfairy ·
Not so bad if that's the MO
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@bola · (edited)
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@bryan-imhoff ·
Your auction blocks for premium advertising is exactly how the current promoted feature should work, but I could see multiple slots available, perhaps every 20-30 posts so that a lesser bid could secure a lower tier slot on the page.
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@btcmillionaire ·
$0.77
This is an excellent idea and needs to happen long term for sure if not earlier...
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@caspell ·
Cryptomoneda is the new investment market, I think.
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@charles1 · (edited)
$12.20
@ats-david this is an amzing post hence you earned 100% upvote and a solid follow from me. I agree 100% that we should think strategically on how to add revenue options to steemit in order not to depend on new sign ups AKA Pyramid or Ponzi scheme. 
External revenue like advertising will be the best option however it has to be done right in order not to destroy the concept of steemit. Moreover , companies will have interest to advertise in our platform when we reach 1M + active users which is achievable if there is investment in promoting steemit around the world and elimination of sign up waiting time. 
Very good idea @ats-david which should be done with design thinking startegy and implemented .
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@adsactly ·
We second that this post was very informative. It discusses some very good ideas in terms of Advertising on Steemit and ALL Steem Powered Applications. We just followed and upvoted with 100% Steem Power.
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@charles1 ·
I agree, good point.
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@financialcritic ·
$0.02
100% agree. For Steem to succeed in the long run, there has to be a revenue stream from somewhere.
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@charles1 ·
$0.03
Great, I agree. Win Win for all.
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@monopoly-man · (edited)
And, if we really want to keep comparing ourselves to facebook.. well.. facebook has ads.. facebook makes money... facebook distributes value to stakeholders... 

Steemit needs ads.
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@ats-david ·
$0.08
Yes.

>Steemit is the Facebook killer!

No it's not. Facebook has investors and businesses/advertisers that all make money. So far, we have basically heard that revenue generation around here isn't a good idea or isn't necessary. 

This place won't even kill Medium, 4chan, or Reddit, let alone Facebook.
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@charles1 ·
Adds can be added smartly as indicated by @ats-david in this post ...I wonder if those responsible will see this post and at least start the discussion
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@dan90 ·
Problem with ads is that rather than being viewed as a ponzi scheme it would then be viewed as a money losing business. The ad revenue would never cover the payouts as they are now
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@davebrewer ·
$2.20
If the whole project is NOT a Ponzi scheme, then there has to be long-term plan to monetize via advertising.

Need to make sure we keep enough minnows around and growth going, to make the platform interesting to the big league advertisers.

By the way, we already have a major advertiser on the platform, grabbing trending spots, etc.   Vacation Rentals from bookingtime is clearly a corporate account.

Upvoted and followed
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@davyoneness ·
I was thinking the ability to put ads in a posts after the first 7 days would be a nice way of still earning on valuable content.  But who says the ads have to be from big corporations? Maybe steemit users would like ads for their blogs, youtube channel or patreon ? It could be like a promotional cost like could be used now for boosting posts.
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@delvamaynardreid ·
If the advertising method is to visit a listing area of various advertising programmes I would not have a problem with Steemit having such a business on steem/steemit.   Many of us steemians will appreciate not having to visit the advertising page if they don't wish to nor to pay an advertising subscription fee if they are not interested in advertisement.   One may not be interested in beauty, parenting or other platforms on steemit to read, upvote or write a blog on a certain topic.
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@ats-david ·
>If the advertising method is to visit a listing area of various advertising programmes I would not have a problem with Steemit having such a business on steem/steemit.

Confining posts to a certain area where they are listed as "advertisements" defeats the entire purpose of purchasing premium ad spaces. If you want to see how effective your idea would be, visit the "promoted" tab.

(Hint: It doesn't work.)
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@deserttree ·
One way I see it working is if companies post their ada in a meaningful way with incentives for users attentions. That way their ad budgets go dierctly to ad consumers rather than a platform or some company. I can see as a new form advertising when actual consumers of ad paid for their attention. 

It can be achieved with upvote incentives, contests, giveaways, etc. It it not distruptive because people only go to ads they wish to follow or check out. They will not be force to consume the ad just because they use the platform.

I don't think companies will designate their portion of their ad budgets to steem until steem platform reaches at least a million user base. After that we can see a rollacoaster of sign ups.
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@didideras · (edited)
I would say "I am with you. That's a brilliant Idea. It could boost demand for the steem...
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@dnfleowjs ·
Great Post
thank you.
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@dodders007 ·
$0.38
Ads on Steemit would definitely Ad value!
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@ats-david ·
I see what you did there!
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@edje · (edited)
$1.15
> I’m not convinced of any of that and there’s no reason why we can’t have advertising and a good user experience where control is retained by the individual user. 

I fully agree that advertisement can be implemented in ways the user will actually 100% accept it, and I mean 100%, all the users!

You make some interesting proposals for advertisement, something we shall further think about what the best methods are. Without telling to much, I have a method that 1) gives 100% control on push messages to the user 2) higher value to the brands of each user it likes to target 3) none intrusive to the users 4) includes fiat currency revenues. I do believe in a model without any ads in our HOME channels, HOT or NEW channels. I do believe in no ads in post or comments, since the sender may want it, but the receiver not. Now, when it is receiver based, then in post ads may work, but the sender may not want to have some ad in its post (dynamic per reader) or may not want to have some brands associated with him/herself. But a solution could be created for that, bit complex to manage, but still, a solution can be created. My concept (yes, concept since I wrote a whitepaper for that already years ago for some particular service that I never took further due to getting side tracked and drawn into other things). I can tell you, the concept I've developed could fit Steemit perfectly. I need developers to create is, when I would have them, then I would already work on it. So, any time you or anybody who reads this and says: lets to business, get in touch with me and lets talk business.
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@enazwahsdarb ·
I like this. You have thought a lot of it through, and giving great details. I think it could be a brilliant concept in terms of compounding the growth of the currency (If the revenue is going back in, of course).

It's basically like a house investment.

Say you're paying off a bond. When you have tenants paying off the bond, that's nice. But it you can add your own contribution to that bond repayment, the compounding is quadrupled! I feel like the same thing could happen with the growth of the Steem currency. Nice post! I actually cover a lot of this stuff in my content :)
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@encapture · (edited)
$0.11
Not for me. Freedom from advertising was a big draw to Steemit for me.  Im not just here to make the quick $$

Be nice to retain a plstform where i dont feel overtly that I am the product
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@ats-david · (edited)
None of the suggestions in this post would put advertisements in your face. And you'd have the option to not see them unless they are directly in a user's post, placed there by them. There's nothing that you can do to stop that anyway. 

The potential monetization is enormous and it's not about the quick money. It's about utility of the blockchain and its three tokens...and long-term sustainability through actual revenue generation and dividends to stakeholders.
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@pitterpatter ·
Big Money Advertisers have a lot of strings attached and now that they are throwing their politics in people's faces by pulling their Big Money *value* out from platforms to devalue prices we become untrusting. It is the BIG $$$ that will have the voice not the creators. The outcome will always be the same > Killers of innovators > instigators and oddballs . 
The community will always be suspicious when investors only spout big money to be the answer and forgetting the the genius of Steemers at finding better solutions. I see the writing on the wall already and who has the voice of value even before the marketers come to steem. It speaks volumes to an aware community who is sick and tired of the old ways.
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@everittdmickey ·
$0.18
<center>
TL;DR
(it all)
I read it enough to say this
Advertising is like the camel in the tent door.
 ![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcwwZRfyZxht5GJoNVGprta9p6W2ao2eFzmRmbbY2wtXz/image.png)
if you let it start
![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPX3PfwkbwykHsX1cRTrCa4t2uFKzNmsQvUt9Vm2pAjho/image.png)
my experience with advertising
(I'm 66 years old)
is that it's
STUPID.
One of the reasons I'm on Steemit rather than FaceBook
(and I despise TV)
is
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@igster ·
You can hide the ads, simple.
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@ats-david ·
Yeah...I'm not sure why that's so hard to grasp.
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@everybitmatters ·
This sounds plausible as long as the ads are in the form of an article so we have the choice to view it or not.
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@fatema ·
you are right, many companies and business holders rely on this typical concept. totally agreed with you.
upvoted you.
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@geneeverett ·
$0.22
Ads would destroy this platform 100%
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@ghulammujtaba ·
Wondering if big companies you mentioned in your post would be willing to invest in cryptocurrencies. I guess most of the people in this world still consider trading cryptocurrencies as a spam or ponzy scheme. 
And let's suppose if Apple decides to advertise on Steemit, they can do immediately without taking permissions from anyone, right?
If yes, then we can ask and email small companies to invest on this platform, advertise and make money as well!
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@gingyptian ·
I really like the ideas discussed in this post :) keep it up
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@goldmatters ·
$0.54
Yes. This should totally happen. I can tell you with certainty that there are many companies  that want to participate in this. The exposure and seo are potentially huge.
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@ats-david · (edited)
$0.60
I don't know if there's a lot of demand for it now, but if the active user base can continue to grow and the site can be further developed, it will likely happen eventually. Companies advertise where the people are. If there are millions of users here, then business is likely to follow. 

Of course, this also depends on how cryptocurrencies are treated by law, but big business has lawyers and accountants to sort out that stuff.
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@goldmatters ·
Yes its chicken and egg a bit, but with explosive growth (which I believe will happen) it will become a virtuous circle. Savvy marketers will see that early (which is now)
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@igster ·
$0.54
I like how this idea works similar to BAT-tokens where those who view the ads get paid to do so! We as community need to push for this idea until the importance of it is realized by @ned and Steemit inc.

Great post ats-david, truly. We need to make this happen.
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@imransoudagar ·
Steem it has a promoted section, I guess Steem sells ad space.
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@ats-david ·
The *Promoted* tab is not ad space. It was essentially a gimmick to burn SBDs...and a poorly implemented one at that.
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@irwanumpal ·
If a large company has an account and advertise in steemit then this will change the way advertisers work toward better to be productive .... very genius.
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@jesta ·
$0.54
There's one thing I couldn't get past in order to completely agree with what you've laid out:

I'm pretty sure steemit.com is independant of the Steem blockchain - both on the legal level as well as the product level. Owning Steem couldn't give you any ownership rights (or whatever word fits best here) over the advertising that could happen on steemit.com, or any revenue they could generate from it. 

Maybe the revenue sharing could be a user issued asset (specifically for steemit.com) that people could invest in with Steem? 

I'm all for exploring this idea further. Being able to accomplish something like this would bring value and utility to Steem (as a token). I'd also be curious to know how the idea could expand even further to other sites running on the same platform :)
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@ats-david ·
>I'm pretty sure steemit.com is independant of the Steem blockchain - both on the legal level as well as the product level.

Yes, this is true. The ads would be on interfaces like Steemit.com the website, not the blockchain, just like all of the other posts on Steemit. But...this is also why the ads would actually be in the form of a blog post and not a banner image in a sidebar or header. The only thing Steemit would need to do is code the placement of those blog posts that would win the auction. 

The auction itself could be done via the blockchain, could it not? I'm certainly not a coder, so this is something that would need to be worked out and tested to ensure that it's feasible. 

Even if we were to give an interface owner X% of the auction as payment for creating/updating their interface for these ad blocks/posts, it could still be lucrative for users/investors. These would be details that need more fleshing out, but I would hope that interface owners would see the value of keeping as much of this on the blockchain as possible and the value of ROI for users/investors.
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@katharsisdrill ·
Wouldn't it be the easiest solution to let people buy the advertisement in steem and then simply burn the the earnings - would make the steem worth more and give everybody more value.
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@joele ·
That's the features I want to see in Steemit, it's sure win.
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@ememovic ·
Thanks for upvoting my introductory post.  I do appreciate.  I just followed you,  kindly follow back  http://Steemit.com/@ememovic
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@enazwahsdarb ·
For the growth of the currency, I couldn't agree more. It's growth will be compounding, which will work wonders.
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@johnjgeddes ·
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an excellent post, @ats-david. I've often discussed this very idea of monetizing this site with my son who is a very successful internet marketer. His view is that companies are concerned with brand image - several companies defected from Facebook over this very issue. The very essence of steemit is free speech and the ability to express even highly controversial opinions - not to mention the pornographers that have come onto the site, muted or not. It's a concern for a corporation to have their brand image tarnished by being associated with activity that pushes some boundaries.

I think your suggestions are practical and do-able, but some elements of steemit  might need to be re-engineered to make it attractive to a corporation that not only cares about profit, but their corporate image.

A thought-provoking post!
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@ats-david · (edited)
>It's a concern for a corporation to have their brand image tarnished by being associated with activity that pushes some boundaries.

Yeah, that's true. But it's something that every platform has to deal with. We might not get companies like Disney or Gerber wanting to advertise on the sites, but there will be plenty of others who have no problem with it.

I think the bigger obstacle would be getting them to use a site that requires the purchase and sale of a cryptocurrency - because of the various tax laws. That's the single largest impediment to growth around here, in my opinion. Trying to figure out different laws and tax/regulatory compliance has slowed my own business plans for this platform, in addition to working with people internationally. 

So many laws...and *changing* laws...so little time.
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@juvyjabian ·
I believe in the power of advertisement since this what makes all the businesses in the world succeed. But I also believe that before we started to take on these steps, lets just first increase the number of users in the platform, so that it won't be hard for us or any marketing group to convince these large companies to join steemit. If the platform will reach 1million users, that will let steemit glimmers in the eyes of those huge companies.

These 1 million users is coming and yes, this business advertisement should be put in discussions as early as now.
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@kaligroup ·
Amazing Post.

Promoting Steemit around the world could help everyone to access high quality content as well .
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@lanmis ·
The sad truth is that even if we see the ads or any similar income structure on steemit, users won't get any cut from that income.
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@lexiconical ·
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It seems to me not doing something like this is leaving huge value on the table for the network's users. And as far as data-mining, that can already happen on the blockchain, so I don't see it as a reason not to have advertising.
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@lichtblick ·
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Great article. Money from outside is absolut no fault. I saw a Clif High interview ( he has an account on steemit ) and the only thing which he does not like is that there is no money coming in the system through paid ads. I agree on that. 
100% Upvoted and resteemed.
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@liliana.duarte ·
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The investors or companies you've mentioned could eventually join Steemit for the money, but difficultly would stay for the community like we did. Yes, to bring them to invest on the blockchain they would need a revenue. 

But aren't we already doing publicity for some of those companies!? Everytime​ I mention on my posts "Nikon..." or you mention "Canon 6D"? If the photo is good and your fellows like your work on the blog they will remind the camara brand you've used it. Indirect publicity! ;)
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@lucyomoz ·
Thanks for sharing this post. bin proactive is always a good thing. thanks
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@malay11 ·
Very Good thought. Very soon steemit will do it as Steemit is already want to launched its website in Amazon based website to for increasing stability of its blockchain, and its want to launched its own application. During then Steemit start advertising for others company product through our contents. Our income will increase then.
Steemit Is highly profitable platform, we have to make it to that position by our support.
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@marwa ·
Will that lead that ppl with money not valuable writing will be always in penifit?
FB annoys alot now cuz of that !

I havr to read the whole topic again to understand it fully since its a bit late here .

But until i read it again am not feeling good abot it 😯
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@meesterboom ·
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I think that these are very feasible ideas. Haters of advertising might paud and consider the traffic that advertising would bring to the site. Google crawler bots rare sites and pages based on inbound and outbound traffic and rank accordingly. The increased traffic to and from would definitely boost the platform in general. You have stated several ways in which they would not be intrusive and frankly the dividends to users based on mvests would be a surefire winner in my book. 

I always thought that when the posts were rejigged to include more white space on the margins that it was in preparation for this.
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@melip ·
What a great idea!
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@mikenevitt ·
Great read not totally sure about the advertising I don't really know how it would effect Steemit. Cheers mike
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@moksamol ·
What's a great idea!
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@monopoly-man ·
$0.17
@bookingteam.com is a great example of how much money companies can make simply by advertising their own products.... lol.
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@monopoly-man ·
$0.08
@ats-david BTW - I spent 1.266 SBD promoting this post. Not much, but it's all the steem dollars I had. Very much believe steem needs ad revenue.
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@mrengage ·
It's a conversation we should be delineating on
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@nepd ·
$1.91
Something like this setup is HIGHLY preferable to Google Adsense and pop-unders. 

Being proactive and adding value before its needed is smart.
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@ats-david ·
Well...after speaking with Ned tonight, it won't be happening. So, disregard the ideas...at least for the Steemit interface.
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@heymattsokol ·
This is a shame to hear, the idea seems really great in a long-term perspective. I read through your whole post and, even though I generally dislike ads, I find this concept to be wonderful. It's logical and creates synergy between all parties.

Are you able to share why Ned shot it down? Was it a "not now" or a "definitely never going to happen" kind of response?
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@nextgen622 ·
Yes, I can't believe I missed this post. I've always questioned why Steemit doesn't have ads. Like you said, if we have an opt in system, then those who don't want to have ads can choose not to. But if Steemit is to be sustainable, I agree ads would give it a huge boost. The number one question I get when inviting people to join Steemit is, "where does the money come from?" If we say "ads", this will give the platform much more credibility among the general public.
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@nonameslefttouse ·
Yup, do it, as long as I'm making money too.
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@ocrdu ·
$0.54
> This creates demand for the Steem currencies ...

Yay! Down with supply-side thinking, the demand side of Steem needs marketing, and Steem Park will not do that. Aiming for more users assuming that the rest will take care of itself is very one-sided marketing, at best.

Current prices are set by speculation and some silly economic thinking that supposes that the supply, the creation rate, determines eventual value. I think it is more likely that a few currencies will win as currencies-for-real-world-use, and that their prices will be set by supply *and demand*.

Even without huge direct revenues, ads could be a good way of working on the demand side of Steem for real-world use, next to other initiatives.
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@ats-david ·
Exactly. You can limit your creation as much as you want, but if there is little to no utility for your tokens and thus no demand for them, then it won't matter if you have 1 billion coins or 100 coins - they'll be worthless in the long-run. 

And you're right - advertising revenue isn't the *only* potential source of revenue for the blockchain, but it is an important and proven one. And it can be implemented *for the benefit of the user base and investors.* Having a revenue and dividend model should *not* be underestimated or dismissed. It's what will differentiate successful blockchains from the unsuccessful ones...and the outright scams. 

Real investors aren't stupid. And most of the crypto market today is not comprised of actual investors. If you want to attract the real money and make your blockchain and apps viable for the long-term, make your product appealing to those who know what they're doing and know what to look for when investing. Put some actual thought into the long-term success of the platform and its investors and you'll find that you're much more likely to achieve what you had hoped for.
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@ocrdu ·
Does the blockchain still need a revenue stream once the currency is being used in the real world and has value? What would have the most impact, the revenue stream itself or putting Steem out there as the Currency You Can Buy Stuff With<sup>tm</sup>? Just wondering, let's do both.

If the companies that buy Steem for advertising will at some point also retail their products for Steem in some of their distrinution channels for their marketing purposes, we'll be golden.
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@old-guy-photos ·
Relying on the next buyer to pay a premium for your coins is the inherent flaw of coins and commodities like gold. 

I understand the basics of how Steemit runs, ie currency creation etc. The whole house is dependent on the perceived value of the coin. However, what will power Steem Inc. Surely they will need capital and not just run off the coin as well? They must have some idea as to how to monetize the platform? Any light on that since I read in the above comments that you talked to Ned?
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@olga.maslievich ·
Thank you @ats-david for the important work and your explanation. I appreciate your support. Have a nice day!
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@onepieceluffy ·
Nice thoughts.. when we have manys users automatically we can see advertisement in steemit also like in facebook and tweeter  and at same time we should divert it from the core concept that's first blockchain social media...
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@ortigas100 ·
The is post is really helpful. I have been a victim of not knowing where i sent my btc some days ago. I hope I can emulate this post and trymy hands on that to recover my asset.  Reallygrateful.
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@pastzam ·
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@pijushmitra · (edited)
@ats-david Steemit should also allow AdSense. They are the advertising giant and unavoidable.
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@ats-david ·
That's precisely the type of advertising that most people *don't* want, including myself.
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@pitterpatter · (edited)
$0.02
Ad Free is one of the things that has set Steem apart from all the other platforms. We need to think of other ways to create continuous revenue. If we have advertisement it should be on Steemit products that raises revenue for Steem. The community could have contests to create theses products for a Steem Store. 
*Buying Ad Space on Individual User Posts* < Yes ...we've seen how good that worked out for the social media members. Do we want Advertisers to control the community? Thanks to the adverisers wanting to ban/censor social media creaters on Youtube, FB, and Twitter  > Steemit is reaping the benefits > driving 100s of thousand to Steemit. I find this hilarious to hear talk of wanting to fall into the same fiasco.
<center> R O F L O L
![tumblr_mmt2d9yWt41rmxbpno1_400.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmWZKwQZNj2rWYSTAajTAT9LeqLnTMjsFDs8N4dn79c587/tumblr_mmt2d9yWt41rmxbpno1_400.gif)</center>
 *Account Creation and Investment* Of all the advertising options I like this one the best. This sounds great until the advertisers decide to Power Down because Steemit doen't  censor certain speach or ban members for topics.
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 Because of  the advertisers bad history I would  hate for them to repeat that history here. 
I hope the community gets to vote on this and if people forget why we are being flooded with new members and Steem turns into the same old same old crappy social media we all escaped from > We Steemians can look forward to  find another genius like Dan and Ned to replace our need for the greatest social media platform. We Steemers have been spoiled and know there is something better than what we came from. THANK YOU STEEMIT!. 
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@ats-david ·
>Ad Free is one of the things that has set's Steem apart from all the other platforms.

Yes, it is the one thing that we don't have here: revenue. And that's the one thing that will continue to allow only downward pressure on demand and prices. 

>Thanks to the adverisers wanting to ban/censor social media creaters on Youtube, FB, and Twitter > Steemit is reaping the benefits > driving 100s of thousand to Steemit. I find this hilarious to hear talk of wanting to fall into the same fiasco.

How can advertisers ban or censor users on Steemit? Please tell me how they can accomplish this, other than by the users themselves selling out to the money...which can happen with or without advertisers...and already happens now. 

>This sounds great until the advertisers decide to Power Down because Steemit doen't censor certain speach or ban members for topics.

Why is this a bad thing? Do you *want* advertisers to stick around who are trying (and failing) to pressure people into doing what they want? I don't understand the argument here.

It seems to me that you're claiming that Steem/Steemit is different but you believe that the simple act of advertising will somehow make it just the same as the other platforms you mentioned. Either it's different and genius, or it's the same and just as stupid/bad as the others. If you understand that Steem/Steemit is "censorship-resistant" and that users would retain full control over what they publish/see, then how is any of this detrimental to growth or user/platform integrity?

Everything you've written feels like nothing but fear-mongering to me. We will see marketing and advertising on this blockchain or its interfaces if the social media platforms succeed. There's no getting around that. So, we can either figure out ways to benefit from it and control it via blockchain protocols, or we can continue to have no revenue generation where it can be easily implemented.
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@igster ·
$0.73
You're doing great work here. I feel that maybe not everyone here would like to see Steemit succeed - as we do have competition. But we all agree that the current model lacks revenue streams and that should be priority for every company to fix. Steemit Inc is no different.
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@pitterpatter · (edited)
One of the most innovative feats @ned and @dan have done is *Respect The Psychology Of Why The Masses Use Their Platform* 
Who in the creative world wants to get distracted by advertisement and take more attention away from creative content? Most artist are struggling to make money? Yes advertisements will offer more money to artists but with a lot of strings attached that will control content. 
Dump the gift economy > Dump the value we have because now advertisement has added their value *Big Money*
Who wants to see *Super Powered Corporate Whales* doing a boycot for *Family Friendly > G rated content (example > Youtube Ad Boycott)
Who is taking the DMT?
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FPs3EeRyL9Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> 

Yes I am claiming STEEM is different from the other platforms. Why do you think creators with  thousands of followers are coming here from Youtube? They are not censored and can make money without being demonitized for their views/language/content. These new members from other platforms love the engagement with "real people"
Advertisement would dump millions of dollars and create big money > Make Steem Family Friendly only > Boot out Diversity and give us another same old same platform that disrrupts attention from artist's content > Adverisers will remove the imagination to edgy creations > The Odd Balls > and so much more. 
Can't we first put our heads together and figure out a better way(s)?
I don't think this is what the founders wanted. Have they changed their minds? 
I've heard it said by a marketer that *"Marketers ruin everything."* I would say it's more like *"Money Junkies ruin everything."*
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@the-traveller ·
How can they censor? Being flagged by a 10 million Steem Power profile seems like an pretty easy way to suppress anything you don't agree with. Seems like censorship to me...
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@pwmj ·
Upvoted and followed as i agree on the ADS....however,in order for STEEM to begin this journey there HAS to be some level of support.  at this point I can find none.  everyone is essentially on their own. issue and problems will inevitably arise and there HAS to be some central body with access to correct these issues.
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@rameshkumar ·
thank you for sairing the lovely post i like it
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@razux · (edited)
Blockchains is the future , thanks for this useful topic :) 
deserve to be voted 

VoteME @razux
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@responsive ·
I dont particularly mind ads or paid services. 

Does Steemit have exchange fees? It is in a good position to become a decentralized exchange.
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@richq11 ·
You can also make it optional... Like the mute button. If you don't want advertising- you get it!
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@rtdcs ·
Great post!

Upvote and reestem
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@sardrt ·
$0.54
I'm not contradictory to advertising. All the social ones have it. You can also talk about Steemit. The important thing is that it is discreet and you can choose whether or not to have it.
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@monopoly-man ·
But then only the people who choose to have ads are actually rewarded.. :)
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@secondstar ·
Love it.  Especially:
"Advertising is bad and will ruin Steemit. It will make the platform unattractive. It will lead to data collection and other terrible things.

I’m not convinced of any of that and there’s no reason why we can’t have advertising and a good user experience where control is retained by the individual user."

People whine about FB ads... and still use the ever loving shit out of FB.  Here I think it could be even better... with companies becoming Whales (because they can self fund) and going around feeding minnows/dolphins who rep their products/etc.  Stimulate the STEEM economy.  Same goes for when they start spending money to promote, etc.

Wrote a [post](https://steemit.com/steemit/@secondstar/business-on-steemit-201779t83912985z) on those concepts earlier in the week actually.  (not trying to post spam... but feels relevant to the conversation, lol.)
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@secter ·
With every add Alittle piece of steem dies with it
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@ats-david ·
Such drama!
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@shariqriaz ·
have a read guys livecoin.net is also like poloniex now messing with users

https://steemit.com/livecoin/@shariqriaz/livecoin-net-do-not-deposit-polybius-coin
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@siddartha ·
These advertising ideas are indeed very good. I have always favoured non-intrusive ads on the internet. Accept it or not, they are what makes the internet as we see today. And since steemit is becoming such a reputed place, it would be a good idea to have ads here. Out of all forms of ads, I really liked the ads in the form of posts. Big companies would surely like to give it a try.
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@sinned ·
As long as i have control of advertising like banning them from ever being on my feed i do not care. I just hate advertising and manipulation. I cannot wait for budweiser bot to randowhale my post and it leaves a message BUY BUY BUY!!!!
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@skririm ·
$0.44
Great post, you explained it very well. What I like the most of this whole idea is that you suggest that there would be a kind of option to not see these commercials if you don't want to! That's a very important thing in my opinion! I would say, welcome advertisers! Great post, I did a resteem of it!
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@someonewhoisme ·
Do you think BTC needs advertising to pay investors? If not I'm interested to hear why
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@ats-david ·
Does Bitcoin have a social media website? Or multiple social media interfaces? 

Also - Bitcoin has transaction fees, which, although minimal, at least provides some sort of revenue for those who invest into the mining aspects of the platform. 

Still, having revenue streams is preferable to not having revenue streams, especially if we're talking about investment and passive ROI. And since we have a social media platform here, the business/advertising will come eventually. It would be good to get out ahead of it and incorporate the potential revenues/dividends into the blockchain protocols. Would that not be attractive for investors?
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@someonewhoisme ·
>Does Bitcoin have a social media website?

Why would a coin based on social media website need advertising more than any other coin?

>Would that not be attractive for investors?

You know why investors don't buy steem as much as other coins, because they think rewarding users is an end in itself when really it's just a trojan horse to lure users in. 
The real goal is to boostrap a whole economy around steem/SBD. Today most people view steem as steemit.com, they basically think steem is just a site giving away free currency and that's all it does, so obviously no one wants to invest in this, but when services will start to develop around steem leveraging the userbase investors will start to realize the scope of the whole thing. 
There is also another aspect that you didn't mention which is steem power, I would argue steem power is what's creates most of the demand today. Steem is actually one of the only currency that has real utility and is not driven purely by speculation.
I am not opposed to advertising ( although I prefer to keep the interface clean) I just think it's unnecessary, steem doesn't need advertising any more than BTC,LTC OR DASH.
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@storcogato ·
$1.37
wow such a great idea. Ad revenue could help fund the reward pool, increasing reward for everyone
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@suprepachyderm ·
$0.55
you've thought this out well. I am generally against this site having advertising for the reasons you stated, but you make a lot of good points to the contrary.

Assuming it happens and everything keeps moving along as normal, it could drastically increase the value of steem. That alone could be worth it.
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@syahhiran ·
This a very valuable info for me, thanks for sharing **@ats-david**, I will resteem your post. 
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@tankoshakun ·
i also go with the opinion that the rule of no advertisement should be reviewed. steemit is suposed to be more fun and participants to get more from it.but why are they restricting it if the other social medias are doing it.it could also help brng many people on board. that is my thought though
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@the-traveller · (edited)
$0.12
please noooooooo, I have been enjoying the absence of advertising immensely, will need to look for a different platform when that happens...

Of course sooner or later it will come... I agree interesting models will be possible. And the capital injections can be important to keep the model afloat. But also expect full on war by google, Facebook and the likes and the search results to tank for anything Steem related, they are not going to sit back and relax when their livelihood is being threatened.

I'd wish that marketing would come up with more inventive models than current ads though... 
Direct payment to viewer for watching or repeating their drivel... 
Payment for reviews (that can go sideways quick)

What would be interesting to see if they start to understand Steem economics.

What if, say Canon or Nikon, sees an opportunity: they buy 2 Million Steem (pocket change for them) and make a Canon Whale profile. 

Then hire a social media manager or bot  and start up-voting positive articles about their product. 

Would start to create perverse incentives real quick...

They say Steem can't be censored:
But what it some organisation with real money, Google, Facebook coal lobby,  Trumpers, Clintoners or who ever is next in the election circus, buys up   
10 million Steem, powers up and starts to flag any negative article about them on Steem. Wouldn't that be censorship effectively?

I really hope Steemit stays under the radar long enough to be resilient enough for serious big money players to come in and start messing about...
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@ats-david ·
>But also expect full on war by google, Facebook and the likes and the search results to tank for anything Steem related, they are not going to sit back and relax when their livelihood is being threatened.

At the point when millions of users are on the interfaces using the Steem blockchain and businesses/advertisers are integrating with the ecosystem, there won't be a lot that Google or Facebook can do about it. They can attempt to fight it or censor content in their browsers, but it will only make them look petty and their efforts would likely be futile anyway. 

>What if, say Canon or Nikon, sees an opportunity: they buy 2 Million Steem (pocket change for them) and make a Canon Whale profile.

>Then hire a social media manager or bot and start up-voting positive articles about their product.

I'd say that there would be a lot of happy users and investors. If certain people start writing fluff pieces for Canon or Nikon and expecting upvotes from them, how would it be any different than the crap that we see on the trending page now, where people write Steemit fluff pieces for whale votes? If you don't like what could possibly come from companies being on the interface/blockchain, then you obviously don't like what you see now, correct? 

Besides - the obvious way to deal with that is to downvote the posts. If enough people agree with you that the posts are overvalued, then you can counter the fluff. This is how the stake-weighted voting system works. 

>please noooooooo, I have been enjoying the absence of advertising immensely, will need to look for a different platform when that happens...

There are probably a few people who agree and it's unfortunate that some people think that way. But it's unavoidable. If you don't like business and advertising (it's a package-deal), then you can always find a social media site where they don't exist. That's certainly your choice and you're free to make it.
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@pitterpatter ·
*"But also expect full on war by google, Facebook and the likes and the search results to tank for anything Steem related, they are not going to sit back and relax when their livelihood is being threatened"*
Let the bullies in our domain because they feel threatened? The masses are ready for steemit. and  Yes there is a learning curve for the revolutionary *"Gift Economy.*" It will take time to enlightened Old School Matrix  with in us all. It's a free world and whoever doesn't want learn can go back to the old social media platforms where the only thing of value is big profits for the few. 
Corporations don't seem to like diversity and Steemers are a diversified inspirational community and we're still able to engage and encourage one another. 
Why would a community of innovators want corporations to have value and the community be devalued. We have the numbers to back us *critical mass is alive and well* so WHY should we lower our expectations because something is hard and takes time to flourish?
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@theblindsquirl ·
@ats-david OK, I just read this entire thread. 

The first time I read the title it made me cringe. Then I read your post and thought, "fuck, advertising." Then I started reading down through the comments and I started actually analyzing it.

I agree, advertising will come one way or another and getting out in front of it is probably the best way to make it tolerable at least, totally invisible at best.

I occasionally hold my nose and look at the trending page and see, for the most part, ads, or circle jerked shit posts. Seriously whats the difference between a fucking coin count and an ad? Other than the fact that an ad would generate income for Steemit.

I think the majority of people who oppose this idea have that, "not in ***MY*** sandbox" attitude. Maybe even the people whose sandbox it really is? Without naming names.

Ads are already so ubiquitous that most people don't even see them anymore. And the idea that you could monetize gaming, gambling, porn, marketplace etc. instead of advertising; how is that NOT advertising?

And people are afraid that advertisers will try and influence the content created by the people they pay. Well, duh. If you don't want to be influenced, don't take their money.

Chances are that some big corporation isn't going to notice your tiny little post anyway so you can rant about them all you want, you'll still get your 12 upvotes and instead of just a $0.46 reward, you could also get a $1.23 residual payout for the ads you left on but ignored.

Explore the option and try to do it as painlessly as possible.
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@timcrypto ·
Good post, ads might be ok as long as they not too intrusive 😐
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@topslim ·
Not now, not yet .... i agree with you > one million and the company's will be interested but let us accumulate steem before the train leaves the station.
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@trendo ·
Very well written and thought out. I as well don't see why we couldn't have ads. You have amazing ideas for ads to be less annoying and controlled on steemit than most other places on the internet :)
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@tylersr · (edited)
Just to play the Devil's advocate- and I welcome corrections if I'm wrong- but wouldn't this not stop the Ponzi scheme? What's to stop a company from buying up SP and then benefiting disproportionately from the ad revenues (while at the same time benefiting from the ads they themselves are placing)? Let's say Google buys up 100,000,000 SP, now they're benefiting from everyone's ads just like on google and the regular user's proportion will be driven so low it will be negligible.
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@tyvain ·
"Any individual or company can make a one-time investment ($500,000, $1 million, $5 million) " <- I disagree. It should be a monthly or year  pass. Not a one time investment.
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@ats-david ·
Any individual/company can buy as much or as little as they want or buy as often as they want. There are no rules about how much or how often STEEM can be bought.
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@uwelang ·
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The way @ats-david describes the potential model is something we should use as basis for discussion, an intelligent blockchain with ad revs by huge brands,  users can still decide whether they watch them or not makes perfectly sense in my point of view. Am speaking from a sales / marketing view having worked in a global business driven from outside US


Thanks we have people like this @ats-david - moving forward needs more than always shouting how awesome we all are now lol - good night from Germany
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@vm2904 ·
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@ats-david  -  **I certainly agree that Ad revenues could lead to good passive income, provided that due care is taken while introducing the concept.  The 4 way suggested by you - One time investment and registration/ Premium block advertising auction/  Targeted block advertising auction and buying blog space on individual user blogs  - would enable the Ad revenue to be channeled in without being too intrusive to the basic philosophy of Steemit platform**.    Thanks for this interesting blog.  Will see how this gets introduced with interest.  Upvoted

I went on am early morning photography and bird outing today to shake off my Monday blues.**Have written a blog with collages of some nice birds (made with my original photos). I also wrote a blog over the weekend with my musings about 'Sting like a butterfly and float/fly like a bee' philosophy for life. I request you to take a look when you have time and let me know your views. Your comments will be eagerly awaited**. Thanks
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@waniowski ·
ww all profit from bigger revenue fund
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@whatsup ·
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Thank you for an excellent post, I think this is a conversation we should be having.

I think we will get advertising whether we promote it or not.  (I don't think promoting it would be a terrible idea though)

I wrote about how it could develop even without development.

"The more people who gather here the more an economy will naturally happen - Here is an imaginary situation

At some point, Coke or Pepsi or another large company may purchase some Steem and create an account.  (we aren't there yet)
Based on other Internet business models, my guess is they would get people to interact with their account by giving away sweepstakes, free services or products.
Some people on SteemIt will be upset about large corporations joining and will try to flag those companies.  
This may work for a while, but if current users keep flagging, and there are enough eyes here to motivate Coke, they will buy into the "Stake Based System".  (They could even buy enough stake to vote for their own witnesses)
Many users may become angry and leave, so Coke has to be careful to retain the "eyes" if they want their purchase to provide returns in name recognition or sales.
It is all a balancing act
Whether you think it is a good thing or a bad thing, the more eyes we have on SteemIt, the more value and potential it will gain from creative, motivated people."

In my opinion, it is all about getting and keeping "Eyes" on the platform.  If that happens the rest will follow.

I think there are many things we could do to improve and shorten the timeframe, and you mentioned some of them in your post.  It will be interesting to see how the site develops.
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@truthforce · (edited)
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In a sense there already is advertising, but it is built into the system and not really sustainable in my opinion. I see people use their steam dollars to advertise on the promotions tab, but it only cost like 50 bucks in sbd  to have your post in the top 10 usually, and those posts make way more than that. There isn't enough sbd actually being used for these things to make it worth while, also it only really enriches the richer earlier steemians who were here first.

While you may put some money into the system itself to advertise, unless a ton of whales or dolphins upvote your post, only a few hundred people or a thousand will see it is the down side. To spend 50 dollars ona  post only a few thousand see is pretty expensive if it does not getthe upvotes, which a lot of them also don't because it is new people with almost no following. Especially if the whole point is to get people to click into your site and buy a product. Steemit is not advertising friendly for getting views, for example on reddit it is quite literally 10 dollars for 50,000 views and you can get between 100 to 1,000 clicks yto your site(much better return)

We need more normal regular poeple here first for the views before the advertisers can come in, but i think we are all on our way. Isee a lot of new accounts lately.
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@whatsup · (edited)
The promotion was an attempt at that and many accounts are also using their "posts" to advertise".  For example randowhale, booster, whaleshares.  Many of the "Give-Aways" are also a form of advertising.

I keep watching for people who sell Mary Kay or some type of product to post, to see how it goes.  :)

It is a challenging balance for the community to try to retain new users.
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@truthforce ·
Yea but if they bought that much Steem it wouldn't really serve any purpose of further selling their product. People have millions of Steem, I don't see how it really  helps Coca Cola to have more than ten thousand to 100,000 or so. It would primarily be used to keep themselves from being flagged because they upvote their own blog post  and they would upvote other people and reward them for logo designs or contests or something.

Icould see a lot of people signing up for stuff like that. I guess.

I don't exactly see why almost any large corporation would put millions into Steem, but if they did I think the original creators still have a large portion of Steem between themselves to flag abusive  stuff at least, +the community would like you say above.
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@writemore ·
Hi  , I see you have been upvoting some of my post and I thank you . 
I would like to know :
I see you are on @crowdfundedwhale and I would like to join. However , I don't have much money so it is important for me to choose what is working. Since you a member you are the best person to ask . It will be nice if you could tell me how much on average a upvote from crowdfundedwhale is. If you have any other suggestions please sent them to me .Thanks
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