 ### What happens when you create a platform with a vision, then lose your sight? The hot topic of the past 24 hours has been centered on whether or not STEEM Backed Dollars (SBDs) are helpful or harmful, or whether they should even continue to exist. What will follow is my opinion from my own perspective as an entrepreneur, investor, and writer/blogger. ### Onboarding as a Goal Steemit.com was to be *the* website to bring non-crypto users into the crypto world and to give them the opportunity to acquire cryptocurrency tokens by simply doing what they normally do on social media. As new users join the platform, they will learn about the system, the tokens, and how these tokens are used. The other purpose of having a social media interface for the STEEM blockchain was to create transactions between accounts by simply upvoting content – and to also encourage other transactions, such as payments for goods and services. After all, STEEM and other cryptocurrencies are supposed to be...*currencies.* The STEEM Backed Dollar (SBD) was supposed to be pegged to the actual U.S. Dollar in order to facilitate transactions between parties based on a relatively stable price metric. This SBD allows users and entrepreneurs alike to send and receive payments without the constant need to calculate price conversions for STEEM and other currencies. Having this option available, in my opinion, is necessary for broader adoption from the mainstream – *from non-crypto users.* ### Why SBDs are Necessary for Widespread Adoption *and Use.* Thinking as a businessman, it would be a nightmare to have to do full accounting with a non-pegged, volatile cryptocurrency that cannot be directly converted into a native, government fiat currency. Why does it need to be converted into government fiat? Because governments still issue fiat currencies and demand their use via taxation. As a result, businesses within those jurisdictions (which is nearly all of them) must account for their earnings, report them in the native currency, and pay the taxes that are due. Without a reliable pricing and conversion mechanism, accounting can become a nightmare. Businesses that want to accept payments for STEEM or SBDs need a reliable way to price their goods and services. Currently, there is an option to accept payment as SBDs, which are equivalent to essentially one U.S. Dollar in STEEM. These SBDs can be sold for approximately that $1.00 equivalent on exchanges. Unfortunately, exchanges currently run these conversions through a token like Bitcoin before they can be converted to native currencies, which adds another layer of crypto-info, learning curves, and complexity. This, however, is not caused by the existence of SBDs – it is a result of STEEM not being accepted as a currency by the exchanges that directly convert to native currencies. So, while onboarding may be the easy part – via social media – the hard part is price conversion, payment acceptance, and ultimately, “off-boarding.” Accepting payment is easy to do. The question is, *how,* as a businessman, do I want to accept payment? SBDs give me the benefit of pricing any of my goods and services in U.S. Dollars and accepting SBDs as an equivalent payment on a daily basis. There is no immediate need to formulate a new pricing system. Joining the Steemit.com or Busy.org platform as a business is simple. Prices are easily understood. Payments are easily accepted. Conversions into the government’s fiat Dollars – while not necessarily simple – make accounting much easier. Balances remaining in the STEEM ecosystem also make calculation and accounting easy to do. *Don’t underestimate the ease of use and accounting.* If widespread appeal, adoption, and use are the goal, then you need an appealing mechanism for those people who will be bootstrapping the economy: **_Merchants and customers._** **SBDs are the appealing mechanism that can drive adoption and use for commerce.** This really is a no-brainer for anyone who makes online purchases – and for practically any business. But the functionality and appeal of SBDs is not limited to just businessmen and to commerce. ### SBDs and Investing One of the appealing features of SBDs are their relative stability and interest payments. This allows an investor to buy into the STEEM ecosystem, see their daily balance in approximate native currency values, and to generate a small monthly profit. It can serve as a means to onboard without directly moving into the more volatile STEEM currency. At the same time, it provides an investment vehicle that can protect gains made from a rising STEEM price *without* leaving the ecosystem altogether. If the only options were to either buy or sell STEEM or to power up STEEM, then onboarding those who are not interested in blogging/curating or those who have less of an appetite for crypto volatility will likely not happen. Investors look for ROI, not excessive risk. There is less risk involved if U.S. Dollar-pegged SBDs are available and can be quickly and easily acquired. The ability to collect interest on these SBDs is a plus. ### SBDs and Blogging When people finally decide to join Steemit.com and become new users, they have already decided to join the crypto community, whether it was their explicit desire or not. Maybe they just liked the sleek design of the website or the thriving community. Whatever the reason, they’re in and they now have some learning to do if they want to capitalize on their time and effort. The easiest thing for a new user to understand is the SBD. What is SBD? It’s a U.S. Dollar equivalent. You can trade that one SBD for approximately $1.00. Sell it for $1.00 of STEEM tokens. Transfer it to another user for a $1.00 cup of coffee. Send it to an exchange for $1.00 of Bitcoin. It’s simple. All of this talk about how it’s confusing and unnecessary seems quite a bit absurd to me, really. It’s one of the simplest things to understand both conceptually and visually. There is even a Dollar sign in our account wallets in front of the number so that there is no confusion. So, when blogging on the platform, SBDs and Dollar estimates are fairly consistent and mostly interchangeable. Did you just earn $40 from your post? Great! Now you have approximately $40 in your account. (It may be split between three different tokens, but that’s a payout issue, not an SBD issue.) If you want your earnings from that post to be held in SBD and collect interest, then you can sell the STEEM portion and buy SBDs with it. You’ll then know that your earnings have been “locked in” – assuming that the peg is stable, of course. ### What happens if we keep changing everything? This is a real problem and now I’m going to get into my more critical mode. When I first learned about STEEM/Steemit, I thought it was a surprisingly innovative idea for both social media and cryptocurrencies. At first, I didn’t quite understand the three token system – but it was the STEEM and STEEM Power tokens that I didn’t quite understand because of their functionality and relationship. The easiest part to comprehend was SBDs. If you’re having trouble understanding what a STEEM Backed Dollar is and/or don’t know what a U.S. Dollar is, then that’s not a problem with SBDs and it shouldn’t be a reason for eliminating them. What bothers me is the constant tinkering from the founders of STEEM/Steemit. Believe it or not, I think the concept was brilliant – the SBD-Dollar peg is part of that brilliance, whether you believe it should be U.S. Dollars or not. As stated above, having a peg is a critical component for onboarding and widespread adoption of the currency. Why eliminating such an instrument is even being considered – let alone publicly questioned – is baffling to me, especially when we can see that the peg is actually working. Yes, having SBDs does come with risk and it does incur a debt for STEEM. But is this risk too high? Is the debt load a real concern, given that a large portion of SBDs are currently being held by @steemit accounts? Can SBD creation not be reduced sooner than it is currently, before debt ratios become more of a problem? Is this a problem right now only because the STEEM price is low? Are these concerns about SBDs simply a reaction to price movements and not based on actual potential use and benefits of SBDs in the future? I can’t help but feel like a lot of the discussions and decisions being made are based on short-term thinking. Yes, the STEEM price is dropping again. Why? Surely it’s not due to the existence of SBDs. Prices are falling because the STEEM supply is too high, relative to the demand for it. Just in the past two weeks, the liquid supply has increased by over 4 million. SBDs are not causing that. Prices are falling because distribution of STEEM has been poor from the start of the project. With that poor distribution comes a host of other problems, such as large sell-offs, skewed influence and post payouts, disenchantment of users, and a consequent disinterest in the platform. SBDs are not causing that. Prices are falling because investors can’t reasonably predict how the system will be operating next month or next year. They are sitting on the sidelines and watching change after change to many fundamental aspects of the system. At this point, the whitepaper ought to just be scrapped. SBDs – again – are not the issue. The biggest problem with STEEM/Steemit continues to be the lack of development of the interface, the lack of marketing, and the lack of stability to the economic fundamentals of the system. Every new change to the latter will delay new investment. The time spent on debating these changes is time that can be better spent on figuring out the onboarding and retention issues, which is mostly tied to development of the interface. If we want the STEEM price to go in the direction we all want it to go, we need *STABILITY.* We need to see some proven *RETURNS ON INVESTMENT* (ROI). We need the leaders in the community to start reaching out to or at least accepting help from those *WHO ARE OFFERING TO MARKET THE PLATFORM.* And we need more time dedicated to *DEVELOPMENT* – which means less time devoted to fantasies about world currencies and governments crumbling and billions of people fleeing to crytpocurrencies in order to be “saved” from such an apocalyptic event. Make STEEM/Steemit and other interfaces usable for the average person – but more importantly, make them more easily usable for *MERCHANTS AND CUSTOMERS.* The success of STEEM as a currency depends on the success of onboarding people who will actually *use* the currency. Merchants and their customers will use the currency...but they’ll use the currency if it is easily understood and easy to account for during their daily use. U.S. Dollar-pegged SBDs offer that. **_Please stop debating about whether to take away the one good asset that can bring in a large number of people who will actually put the STEEM blockchain to good use._** Perhaps I’m wrong for thinking this way, but I was not a crypto enthusiast when I joined. The only thing that intrigued me was the SBD concept and its peg to U.S. Dollars. I look at this platform from an entrepreneurial perspective. I try to avoid getting caught up in the fanciful concepts of UBI and the dreams of worldwide government collapse. We have to deal with the things that are actually happening right now and what is likely to happen in the near future. Resolving the onboarding issue and making the platform appealing must be done with the understanding that individuals and businesses exist in *today’s* world. Not everyone shares the vision of a stateless society. Not everyone shares the enthusiasm of crypto tokens becoming the currency of the future. Making adaptability simple for the greatest number of potential users should be the main focus. And we should also understand that simplicity itself does not mean that the system is necessarily *better.* Stop thinking like coders and developers all the time and start thinking like social media users, entrepreneurs, and investors. Keep the SBDs. Continue developing useful social media interfaces. Make commerce easier. Market the platform(s). Perhaps Steemit, Inc. needs a business plan, if it doesn’t have one already. The biggest concern for me right now is pushing out the last of the people who actually believed in this idea. It’s possible that the road map might alleviate some concerns, but I don’t think it’ll be of much use if nobody is here to see it. Continually scaring away existing users and investors with drastic changes to the ecosystem obviously isn’t good. ### Can we at least give STEEM/Steemit a chance to breathe before we try changing things again? As always – comments and criticism are welcomed. <hr> *I didn’t bother to proof-read this, so if there are any errors, if I’m rambling, if things are out of order, or if something makes no sense, just ignore it. Maybe I’ll correct it at some point. **Follow me, if you must:** @ats-david
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facer | 0 | 78,802,881,427 | 100% | ||
schro | 0 | 84,678,055,618 | 100% | ||
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michaelx | 0 | 9,481,834,138 | 100% | ||
proglobyte | 0 | 1,111,048,798 | 33% | ||
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crok | 0 | 5,105,457,812 | 100% | ||
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angusleung100 | 0 | 2,781,240,652 | 50% | ||
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jakevanderark | 0 | 32,101,044,561 | 100% | ||
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norbu | 0 | 142,268,783,596 | 90% | ||
bacchist | 0 | 145,896,730,401 | 100% | ||
michaellamden68 | 0 | 725,310,452 | 33% | ||
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thegoodguy | 0 | 4,745,964,171 | 100% | ||
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bola | 0 | 40,446,401,509 | 90% | ||
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james212 | 0 | 1,487,218,332,188 | 100% | ||
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bitcoinmeetups | 0 | 198,686,171 | 100% | ||
johnsmith | 0 | 217,032,420,407 | 100% | ||
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greymass | 0 | 22,859,200,048 | 100% | ||
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jamesbrown | 0 | 16,765,087,535 | 10% | ||
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proglobyte-m1 | 0 | 686,287,097 | 10.89% | ||
craigslist | 0 | 689,626,150 | 100% | ||
tingaling | 0 | 1,413,644,539 | 33% | ||
rawnetics | 0 | 18,358,813,237 | 100% | ||
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transhuman | 0 | 2,110,421,667 | 55% | ||
cmp2020 | 0 | 8,379,209,971 | 35% | ||
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poeticsnake | 0 | 56,469,161,269 | 100% | ||
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steemradio | 0 | 996,183,762 | 100% | ||
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matrixdweller | 0 | 19,823,081,339 | 100% | ||
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generation.easy | 0 | 20,452,417,519 | 100% | ||
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davidjkelley | 0 | 2,355,285,146 | 100% | ||
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kiwiscanfly | 0 | 6,809,034,487 | 100% | ||
thegame | 0 | 6,466,261,842 | 100% | ||
lloyddavis | 0 | 11,080,191,502 | 100% | ||
fortinbuff | 0 | 13,546,155,068 | 100% | ||
danilamarilu | 0 | 16,718,430,422 | 100% | ||
natord | 0 | 20,090,416,964 | 100% | ||
steembets | 0 | 6,357,505,314 | 100% | ||
luzcypher | 0 | 59,633,105,623 | 100% | ||
saralee | 0 | 130,538,357 | 100% | ||
mjancons | 0 | 97,852,579 | 100% | ||
strong-ai | 0 | 5,697,995,995 | 100% | ||
dylanhobalart | 0 | 2,258,243,143 | 100% | ||
steemint | 0 | 661,085,577 | 10.89% | ||
ninkhisibir | 0 | 5,607,277,909 | 100% | ||
dresden | 0 | 45,962,130,758 | 100% | ||
dianargenti | 0 | 4,662,881,690 | 100% | ||
pinc | 0 | 109,419,747 | 100% | ||
sarahewaring | 0 | 3,808,902,289 | 49% | ||
goldmatters | 0 | 116,895,762,031 | 100% | ||
lydon.sipe | 0 | 10,917,024,107 | 100% | ||
gamer00 | 0 | 54,007,305,388 | 100% | ||
rgeddes | 0 | 148,912,487,285 | 100% | ||
marialin | 0 | 1,636,222,254 | 100% | ||
frankches | 0 | 3,728,792,015 | 100% | ||
nonameslefttouse | 0 | 35,509,457,134 | 100% | ||
papergirl | 0 | 2,505,655,853 | 100% | ||
ubik | 0 | 753,931,179 | 100% | ||
very | 0 | 98,635,586,341 | 100% | ||
goodgirl | 0 | 146,652,466 | 100% | ||
supergoodliving | 0 | 29,107,328,291 | 100% | ||
dongu | 0 | 154,229,899,864 | 100% | ||
mokluc | 0 | 14,824,645,685 | 50% | ||
ianboil | 0 | 1,791,942,505 | 100% | ||
dragosroua | 0 | 82,921,747,306 | 100% | ||
jessamynorchard | 0 | 14,946,307,254 | 100% | ||
fyrst-witness | 0 | 343,008,816 | 1% | ||
voterinterstpool | 0 | 142,059,939 | 100% | ||
raluca | 0 | 1,049,385,181 | 100% | ||
fillintheblank | 0 | 134,979,235 | 100% | ||
jejujinfarm | 0 | 200,113,862,491 | 100% | ||
astrologybits | 0 | 425,734,961 | 100% | ||
pepe7777 | 0 | 133,933,570 | 100% | ||
willybobob | 0 | 108,230,414,223 | 100% | ||
steemland.com | 0 | 4,964,627,587 | 100% | ||
joanaltres | 0 | 16,855,868,546 | 25% | ||
streetartgallery | 0 | 3,603,090,005 | 100% | ||
djvidov | 0 | 5,947,649,408 | 100% | ||
selwi | 0 | 284,483,428 | 50% | ||
oleg326756 | 0 | 9,885,698,756 | 100% | ||
angel76 | 0 | 41,599,189,168 | 100% | ||
sqube | 0 | 147,402,484,032 | 100% | ||
stevebj | 0 | 90,177,350 | 100% | ||
chaewon | 0 | 127,013,828 | 100% | ||
catto000 | 0 | 9,573,437,876 | 100% | ||
liliana.duarte | 0 | 15,663,720,344 | 100% | ||
crowdfundedwhale | 0 | 16,612,568,834 | 50% | ||
johnathanhenry | 0 | 50,125,330 | 76% | ||
muhtadiaremi | 0 | 125,068,038 | 100% | ||
nigelmarkdias | 0 | 131,944,143 | 100% | ||
yoyoz707 | 0 | 113,259,836 | 100% | ||
blowsomesteem | 0 | 113,186,328 | 100% | ||
doodleman | 0 | 12,141,350,629 | 100% | ||
donald.kim | 0 | 614,222,799 | 100% | ||
steemhairsalon | 0 | 614,079,340 | 100% | ||
pavelmenme | 0 | 469,478,534 | 100% | ||
gutzofter | 0 | 24,847,775,150 | 100% | ||
teukumukhlis | 0 | 7,045,523,892 | 100% | ||
grildrig | 0 | 2,601,408,443 | 100% | ||
steemprentice | 0 | 29,818,381,834 | 100% | ||
spbesner | 0 | 4,470,029,335 | 100% | ||
steemithairshop | 0 | 587,701,003 | 100% | ||
steemseoul | 0 | 587,256,272 | 100% | ||
steemsamsung | 0 | 586,844,783 | 100% | ||
anarchrysalis | 0 | 8,329,314,994 | 50% | ||
technoprogressiv | 0 | 5,375,876,159 | 100% | ||
steemperor | 0 | 25,415,365,250 | 100% | ||
steempire | 0 | 75,778,585,753 | 100% | ||
reisman | 0 | 738,661,387 | 100% | ||
ourlifestory | 0 | 11,777,028,930 | 100% | ||
damiendecoster | 0 | 495,780,465 | 100% | ||
area5150 | 0 | 571,171,656 | 100% | ||
taskmanager | 0 | 62,311,916,325 | 100% | ||
writingamigo | 0 | 8,807,336,041 | 100% | ||
cardboard | 0 | 2,971,198,053 | 100% | ||
meltmuredemons | 0 | 4,876,649,622 | 100% | ||
freecrypto | 0 | 1,649,922,537 | 100% | ||
coffeehouse | 0 | 577,826,276 | 100% | ||
hexdek16 | 0 | 22,961,971,952 | 100% | ||
saleg25 | 0 | 495,167,800 | 100% | ||
codydeeds | 0 | 951,595,330 | 100% | ||
azazqwe | 0 | 1,555,238,336 | 100% | ||
dddcoinz | 0 | 1,029,406,567 | 100% | ||
hypnosisawaken | 0 | 632,268,180 | 100% | ||
gasgeverij | 0 | 453,270,172 | 100% | ||
tamersameeh | 0 | 2,134,617,963 | 100% | ||
mornevd | 0 | 417,981,351 | 100% | ||
em3di | 0 | 1,298,910,783 | 100% | ||
personz | 0 | 2,213,295,417 | 100% | ||
blindguardian | 0 | 392,806,325 | 100% | ||
doram | 0 | 1,008,234,473 | 100% | ||
lastminuteman | 0 | 2,669,157,878 | 100% | ||
artaa123 | 0 | 409,503,563 | 100% | ||
rjchuyy1 | 0 | 418,731,632 | 100% | ||
jaykan117 | 0 | 429,186,506 | 100% | ||
boltm20 | 0 | 417,738,813 | 100% | ||
slashterix | 0 | 417,733,357 | 100% | ||
steemlegend | 0 | 392,665,237 | 100% | ||
bambam808 | 0 | 409,372,087 | 100% | ||
daypauliano | 0 | 417,713,159 | 100% | ||
marcello36m | 0 | 417,710,894 | 100% | ||
gofundmebitcoin | 0 | 409,353,356 | 100% | ||
manuelvargas | 0 | 409,284,479 | 100% |
Very good article @ats-david
author | angel76 |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t204840591z |
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WHAT???? Is someone seriously talking about scrapping SBD? As one of the largest SBD holders, I'm going to go on record saying that would be the worst thing in the universe. Just hearing that there are people who think this is a good thing is enough to make me want to go sell all my SBD ([my account is the 51st-largest SBD holder](http://steemwhales.com/?p=3&s=sbd&hl=biophil)). Who is actually advocating this? How can they stomach being so flippant about others' money?
author | biophil |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t165752255z |
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>Who is actually advocating this? It has been mentioned by the founders themselves. Mind-boggling...I know.
author | ats-david |
---|---|
permlink | re-biophil-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t170101216z |
category | steemit |
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Those in charge obviously think their last fork and changes are about to destroy all value. Why else bring out all these new accounts to cheerlead this bizarre change before the last set of changes even starts affecting the price? Every major fork\change has fucked over the original investors\builders\bloggers for simply believing the rules would not be changed EVERY MONTH. As a big investor, are you mad enough to speak up yet?
author | tinfoilfedora |
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permlink | re-biophil-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161224t203314500z |
category | steemit |
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> As a big investor, are you mad enough to speak up yet? I'm not a big investor; I came to the party in July when the prices were already absurdly high and knew enough not to put any of my own money into this. The fact that I have large-ish SBD holdings is evidence that I've spent a lot of time making short-term bets against Steem.
author | biophil |
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permlink | re-tinfoilfedora-re-biophil-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161225t182440667z |
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Well written. Upvoted and following. Curious to see what if anything will happen with the SBD in the near and mid term future.
author | bitcoinmeetups |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20170107t115336014z |
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### ..." supposed to be pegged to the actual U.S. Dollar" By saying supposed to, are you implying that it no longer is?
author | coloured-content |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t205516996z |
category | steemit |
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It just recently stabilized near the dollar, it was at 80-90 cents for a few months. Now for some reason they want to kill it.
author | tinfoilfedora |
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permlink | re-coloured-content-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161224t012822300z |
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Instead of killing they should be creating. We should all work on developing a market place, so we can kind of have a multifaceted social media / world wide eBay type thing. Im sure businesses would love it and it would bring more people to steemit. It could probably raise the price - that is, if it is designed well enough.
author | coloured-content |
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permlink | re-tinfoilfedora-re-coloured-content-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161224t014305102z |
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BETA = change gone come Accept change to get out of beta
author | craig-grant |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t205603322z |
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marco-delsalto | 0 | 156,811,944,300 | 100% | ||
reported | 0 | 113,567,714 | 100% | ||
southbaybits | 0 | 63,929,415 | 100% | ||
thejohalfiles | 0 | 6,151,272,775,473 | 100% | ||
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If that's the case, then they need to stop reacting to price movements and focus on fundamentals. This new debate about SBDs isn't that. The SBD-Dollar peg has been working and the benefits of it outweigh the negatives. The existence of SBDs is not harming the STEEM price. The price would be this low without them, because STEEM/Steemit is struggling due to almost entirely unrelated issues.
author | ats-david |
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permlink | re-craig-grant-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t213455609z |
category | steemit |
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remlaps | 0 | 13,248,594,544 | 100% | ||
xanoxt | 0 | 893,432,412 | 1% |
What I heard from Ned, the issue is moving from complexity to simplicity, the steem price argument was brought up by someone else
author | craig-grant |
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permlink | re-ats-david-re-craig-grant-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t213827976z |
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### "Designing a blockchain is like frying a small fish...you spoil it with too much poking." Lao Tzu
author | cryptoctopus |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t222825980z |
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cryptoctopus | 0 | 772,121,548,061 | 100% | ||
matrixdweller | 0 | 619,968,375 | 1% | ||
rebeccaryan | 0 | 84,757,625,518 | 100% |
Lao Tzu is a smart man.
author | ats-david |
---|---|
permlink | re-cryptoctopus-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t223036532z |
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A price stable cryptocurrency is important longer term. We don't really have the volume or demand to support it yet. Let's focus on growing STEEM and taking on Bitcoin. I don't care whether they scrap SBD or not in the short term, because I know Dan and his team will want a price stable currency in this system later. When the time comes, it will be a welcome part of this ecosystem. For now, I think we should focus on STEEM.
author | donkeypong |
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For now, I don't think we should be focusing on prices at all. We ought to be focusing on development and onboarding new users and investors. If all we do is focus on the price every day and make decisions based on that, then STEEM/Steemit will never go anywhere.
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Absolutely. I often go for days without checking the price. STEEM is just the underlying currency, so if we keep building the system here and making it better, then eventually that should be reflected in the price.
author | donkeypong |
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What you don't understand is maintaining SBD is not free. Also it is not cheap. It's quite EXPENSIVE. SBD causes downward pressure on steem price. we have to get rid of it ASAP. I agree with NED. Does it even worked as a bait to lure ordinary ppl into steemit system? no. We have to think like a business man. If we used money to promote steemit on IT magazine instead of SBD, we would have much better result now. We have to be smart.
author | publicworker |
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Before doing away with something in a system we should ask ourselves: Why was SBD created in the first place? Why are the reasons for its existence any different today than they were when it was first implemented? Why are we even having this discussion at all? What benefits would removing SBD have and to whom? I agree with @ats-david and @pfunk in keeping it. It's easier to explain to noobs and merchants with SBD pegged to the USD than it is to explain Steem. That IS simplicity. Ask a business owner considering pricing items in Steem or SBD about simplicity and I'd bet they would find it more simple to price items and do accounting in SBD. ADDED THIS EDIT: The more I think about it, it doesn't really matter from a merchant perspective. They could continue pricing items as they normally do and POS apps like BlockPay can do the conversion for them at the current Steem price when the purchase was made. They got their price and the bookkeeping wouldn't have to change at all. Removing SBD would give an author earning Steem two choices. - Power up - Sell Steem into BTC and if they still wanted stability, sell it from BTC to their fiat currency.
author | luzcypher |
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permlink | re-donkeypong-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t001030366z |
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Yes. They can price the equivalent in fiat currencies pretty easily and even have a running dollar conversion amount printed next to balances if that would help. I agree that a price stable currency is easier to explain to people, but where we are going with this thing, I hope we will get to a point where it's just "click, click, click" and the casual users simply won't know/care that crypto runs the back end.
author | donkeypong |
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When you write a post at the moment you have 3 choices to get paid: * 100% Power Up * 50% Power Up/50% Steem Power * Decline Payout. Why not have a 100% SBD payout? That way people, who dont care about Crypto will have even more incentive to get into the platform. You could charge these people for the use of the platform by deducting a % fee on payout of SBD or something of that nature? I accept these users would be not contributing long term to the platform (which happens with power up) but this would draw users and be very easy to understand.
author | eroche |
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If they're going to cash out immediately, then they should probably offer a 50/50 payout of SP and STEEM. The STEEM can then be transferred directly to an exchange and sold. If a user wants SBDs, they can buy them on the internal exchange with their acquired STEEM. This would require actively seeking and purchasing SBDs, which should reduce the overall supply being created and held, I would imagine. Adding an extra step almost always makes it less likely that the extra step will be taken. This is probably why we don't see many new investors of STEEM in the first place. The added step of buying BTC in order to buy STEEM essentially serves as an extra barrier to entry. I don't see how it would be any different for SBDs. SBD supply and debt ratios can be managed. It just takes a little more effort to make that happen.
author | ats-david |
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*I edited my original reply, I had a typo in the second option.* Its the extra step of having to convert Steem to Steem dollars which I think is the problem. Its easier to understand if you just get paid in steem dollars. Basically for most people its the same as getting paid in dollars (i.e. its worth the same) I think people would be happy to pay a small % fee for not contributing to the platform in terms of steem power. It would be easier to understand for them. I am referring to people not into Cryptocurrency.
author | eroche |
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Great read with some very good points. I personally did not like Steemit having three currencies when I started. I thought it was overkill and would confuse the non digital currency audience. It can be intimidating when learning about the platform. However, after months of use, I am happy to say that I appreciate STEEM, STEEM POWER, and the wonderful SBD :) All three tokens serve their purpose well and once you wrap your brain around it, it makes sense. I hope they don't take it away. I also totally agree, stop reacting to price movements, specially when it comes to development. Users need to realize that price movement is part of a true free market. Steemit is beta and this is still an experiment, so there will be price crashes. As long as Steemit is useful, has great development to push the platform, and eventually mainstream adoption, your value will be there later and it will be worth the wait. Thanks for sharing @alts-david.
author | framelalife |
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The way I see it the only way you get stability is by creating transactions. I need the SBD, because it gives another channel to communicate over. there are three ways to generate messages over the blockchain, posting, transfer Steem, and Transfer SBD. Increase the utilization of SBD for other things besides collecting interest. Multi-use commodities can be more stable.
author | gutzofter |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t221215721z |
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If there were a market using SBD as a native currency, a Steem eBay of sorts, it would massively multiply the utility of Steem and the SBD.
author | jacobtothe |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t201755589z |
category | steemit |
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I know it. I wish others would understand that the benefits greatly outweigh any potential negatives about debt loads.
author | ats-david |
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permlink | re-jacobtothe-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t201925132z |
category | steemit |
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angel76 | 0 | 41,599,189,168 | 100% |
I agree. What is the real issue that has us having this type of discussion at all?
author | luzcypher |
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permlink | re-ats-david-re-jacobtothe-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t002544590z |
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On this particular question I remain somewhat undecided. Witnesses haven't done a great job managing the debt load issue. That points to a potential design problem of giving this important responsibility to witnesses in the first place. I'm not entirely convinced that the system can work as it currently exists. (I do believe it is _possible_ to manage the debt load issue effectively, but I'm not sure that it is reasonable to expect this to happen in practice.)
author | smooth |
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permlink | re-ats-david-re-jacobtothe-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t232558600z |
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Hey @jacobtothe - Have you visited https://www.peerhub.com/ ? It's a pretty robust online marketplace offering items for sale in SBDs.
author | ericvancewalton |
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permlink | re-jacobtothe-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t205134655z |
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I have not. I will check it out when I am back at my computer instead of using a phone.
author | jacobtothe |
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Loved this article and totally agree with you @ats-david. The creation of the SBD is precisely what sets steemit apart and will allow sustainability because as you said, new users will find it the most straightforward to understand and the most lucrative reason to join. Very well round up article. Looking forward to more! Resteeming this :)
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SBD is perhaps one of the best components of the Steem ecosystem. It needs to stay... but in my mind the biggest risk to Steem is that the anchoring store of value is tied to the FRN. This is not a good long term strategy for storing user's value as it puts all the eggs in one increasingly volatile basket. And... Trump. My vote would be to go the other way - instead of reducing available assets in an effort to simply/boost pricing/whatever, pull the Bitshares DEX directly into the Steem ecosystem. Allow Steem users to store value in whatever way they choose via bitAssets. bitGOLD, bitSILVER, bitCNY, etc. This will diversify the value contained within the Steem ecosystem and make the platform much more robust and resilient. The whole point of crypto is move away from the existing economic power structures - and tying Steem to the FRN is severely handicapping the ability to become a freestanding economy.
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"My vote would be to go the other way - instead of reducing available assets in an effort to simply/boost pricing/whatever, pull the Bitshares DEX directly into the Steem ecosystem. Allow Steem users to store value in whatever way they choose via bitAssets. bitGOLD, bitSILVER, bitCNY, etc." That is a cool idea and I have been thinking about something similar myself. A voting interface on top and then unlimited tokens on the protocol level. PM me if you want to talk. http://www.bitcoinmeetups.org
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What a great post and I agree just about 100%! The part about changing too many things scares me as well... The site was built to operate a certain way and if you change too many things it may not be able to operate the way it was intended. My opinion is to only change things when it is absolutely necessary.
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This post has been linked to from another place on Steem. - [Debating Steem Backed Dollars - Come On Baby Let Me Know Should I Stay Or Should I Go](https://steemit.com/sbd/@luzcypher/debating-steem-backed-dollars-come-on-baby-let-me-know-should-i-stay-or-should-i-go) by @luzcypher Learn more about and upvote to support [**linkback bot v0.5**](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ontofractal/steem-linkback-bot-v0-5-the-reddit-awareness-release). Flag this comment if you don't want the bot to continue posting linkbacks for your posts. Built by @ontofractal
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I don't know how but we should have the option to choose between more than one bitasset... We should have steem gold, steem euro, steem bitcoin etc... How can we do it without making it more complex?
author | liondani |
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I agree 100%. We all knew the price of Steem would drop for at least 13 weeks after the new hard fork as Steem Power was powered down faster, flooding the supply on the markets. Everyone needs to calm down and let this time pass and stabilize the price. Meanwhile, work on the things you mentioned in this post. Great post BTW.
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This post has helped educate me even more on all the moving parts of this platform. Thanks for that. Initially, I agreed with your well-made points. The more I think about it, the less I think SBD matters. It's originally stated purpose in the whitepaper was to mitigate the volatility risks of holding Steem and it does that very well, but at a cost. In the post titled, [Sbd Debt Issue Riding The Steem Price Roller Coaster](https://steemit.com/sbd/@timcliff/sbd-debt-issue-riding-the-steem-price-roller-coaster) --- by @timcliff<br/> he goes on to point out: >Assume at today's prices, the system will generate $10,000 SBD of author rewards. >- If the price of STEEM goes up 10x, then the system will generate $100,000 SBD of author rewards. >- If the price goes back down, the blockchain will need to pay back the $100,000 worth of SBD debt, but at 10x the cost. Witnesses have to create 10x the Steem to payout the SBD earned earlier, in this example, and this puts downward pressure on the price today to pay a debt earned in the past. The price of Steem suffers to keep the price of SBD stable. Now that Steem is no longer hyperinflated since the last fork, the purpose of SBD, mitigating the hyperinflation, is not as critical anymore. Also, merchants do not need to change any of their processes for pricing items or accounting. Price a product in their local fiat as always. POS apps like BlockPay would convert Steem at its going price when the purchase was made into their fiat price. Done. Books stay the same for taxes and accounting purposes.
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that assumes nobody buys(with sbd) and then sells a single Steem while the price is high, not using the long slow convert method but the quick internal market and that people sell Steem for cheap timcliff also missed the fact sbd is only redeemable for usd worth of Steem so not really paying anything till the Steem gets dumped for btc. It is all still value held in the network just value held in a short or long position
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Ned did say the community would decide.... I think we are deciding... https://i.imgur.com/5geUJid.png
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Hear Hear!
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thanks for this
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What you don't understand is maintaining SBD is not free. Also it is not cheap. It's quite EXPENSIVE. SBD causes downward pressure on steem price. we have to get rid of it ASAP. I agree with NED.
author | publicworker |
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>What you don't understand is maintaining SBD is not free. I actually *do* understand that it isn't "free." But the "costs" are minimal, *unless the price is tanking*...but then this is not *caused* by SBDs. The falling prices are the catalyst for the potential "systemic risks." Eliminating SBDs does not resolve the actual problems that cause the falling STEEM prices.
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SBD is constant selling pressure because of interest cost and feed discount cost. With steem's low trading volume, That could cause enough problem.
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I almost totally agree. It almost seems like someone is on a mission to turn steem into a bitcoin clone. If eliminating SBD doesn't drive the price up, do we start demanding transaction fees and elimination of everything else that distinguishes STEEM from bitcoin? Steemit, Inc is a portal. It needs to focus on simplicity, attractiveness, usability, and function in the web site. People can choose to use SBD or not. Taking away that capability doesn't seem to do anything for anyone. My one reservation stems from [this](https://steemit.com/blog/@remlaps/a-timeline-of-steem-s-price-decline) and [this](https://steemit.com/steem/@sigmajin/this-biggest-reason-steem-prices-are-falling-the-arbitrage-sabotage-steem-dollar-teeter-totter). STEEM's all time high came within a day of when SBD started trading on a public exchange, and traders have been observed gaming the price differences between exchanges. I'm not a trader or a finance guy, but in the back of my mind I have to wonder if there's some artefact of the way the peg, the conversion process, and the internal and external exchanges interoperate that's creating irresistable downward pressure on the price of STEEM? **Update:** Even if there is an exchange-related malfunction as suggested in that second link, the proposed solutions there would be less drastic than wholesale elimination of SBD.
author | remlaps |
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> traders have been observed gaming the price differences between exchanges. I have done this. It's called arbitrage, it's not "gaming," and it's an absolutely essential part of a well-functioning market. Yes, there have been many times in which the arbitrage serves to push down the price of Steem, but this is part of what people are talking about when they complain about the "cost of the SBD peg." The only way to raise the price of SBD (to $1) is the decrease the price of Steem.
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I didn't mean to imply any negative connotation with the word "gaming". I think it does fit, though (in a non-technical sense). The word choice is not an essential part of my point, though. Call it "arbitrage" if you prefer. The main point is that although I know the correlation between the downturn of steem's price and the launch of the external SBD market is probably coincidental, until I see STEEM go on a sustained positive trend, I can't rule out that some sort of dysfunctional feedback loop among the peg, the 7 day conversion, the internal exchange, and the external exchange is a contributing factor in the decline. If someone is looking for an opportunity for simplification, there it is.
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I only became interested in Steem as a result of the SBD. I have long thought it to be the best crypto out there from an entrepreneurial perspective. The big thing that keeps people from Bitcoin adoption is the decimal currency- the volatile exchange rate - and in inability to easily buy currency. I sent my Dad bitcoin once - he felt that the 45 minute wait was a regression in the financial system (I could have gone to an ATM and taken out the money in less time). SBD is fast - and an easy sale to online merchants - especially those whose FIAT currency is not trustworthy. Online businesses have almost always done business in USD - I think most people are conditioned to think that way (even if we dont live there). With SBD they can do business online "in USD" but without all of the regulatory and reporting bullshit that comes along with it.
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45 minutes? I've never taken that long to send or a receive a transaction.
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hy·per·bo·le hīˈpərbəlē noun exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
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Actually I've had a bitcoin transaction hang for 90 minutes. Interesting trivia: Golos ICO had some weird difficulties, because a bitcoin transaction got stuck and created a backlog for all the others. How long that was going for? 3? I think days. I'll have to check, but when I was in cyber*fund's office it was there for 30+ hours. Luckily everything worked out fine in the end, but it was a very tense moment. Bitcoin network was also being spammed at the time, but in my short experience of using Bitcoin, it is a second time that something like that happened. So, the promise of Graphene based blockchains with their 3 second transactions (or faster) is the killer feature as long as I am concerned. Oh, SBD is another. Of course, you could probably say that I was onboarded into the world of crypto by Steemit, and that is true. SBD made the process easier, not harder. I've been working (*or rather selling my services*) for SBD almost from day one, and that accounted for about third of my SP, during the relatively high price of steem in August/September. If I was more patient and wise, and waited till the bottoms, I'd easily have 10k sp today (true, almost 2k came from visiting SteemFest), still I am leaning on the side of keeping the SBD, because it makes my life easier (and I know of several other people, whose lives are also much easier due to the existence of SBD). Main reason why the SBD does that? Two words: **low volatility!**
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> We need the leaders in the community to start reaching out to or at least accepting help from those WHO ARE OFFERING TO MARKET THE PLATFORM. I'm curious what role you think Steemit has in "accepting help" marketing the platform. We don't own the blockchain or the platform. What's stopping you from doing whatever it is you would like to do to help?
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Preach. Let's hear some answers. C'mon David!
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This is a good read - but a hard read for a regular person like me. And as always the comments section is gold! My eyes glazed over a few times as a #CryptoNewb lol. I try hard! ### I have always said without the ability to attract and maintain regular non IT/Crypto people like me, no platform will work really with a small spectrum of "special interests" largely populating the space. I love you guys. I hope this makes sense. I want this to work. Sincerely -- ## #RegularGuy
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Probably is people are short-term greedy here. Crypto speculators you love to hate them. We need to think 1, 3 , 5 years down the line! now, next week.
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This was an excellent post and even though I no longer even think about SBD's, I have to admit, your points are really good. I also agree with your emphasis on marketing and making this platform good for regular people. This is key to success. The sooner we get back to this reality, the better it will be.
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SBD causes harm to average steem holders since it generates downward pressure on steem price but it gives good tip to witnesses. It's a rigged system. It's rigged system.
author | publicworker |
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It gives no tip to witnesses and you double posted.
author | dantheman |
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I agree with about 85% of your article, and you made some really good points that make me rethink some of my positions. Here are a few points of slight differing views though: - BTC is not a 'stable' currency, yet that has not stopped it from becoming a widely used currency. I agree that SBD goes a level beyond BTC and offers additional stability - but I would argue that having it is not a _requirement_ for wide adoption. A fluid STEEM <-> fiat conversion ability would largely solve the same problem. - I personally don't think that 'confusion over SBD' is the main argument for getting rid of it. I think it is more the systemic risk that it presents, as well as the cost it presents to the network of STEEM holders to maintain the peg. As Dan has pointed out though - the cost can go the opposite way too - but it only benefits the network in a rising price environment - which we have not seen too much of recently. What is interesting is that I think SBD has a lot of value in mass adoption, as you have pointed out so well in your article - but it is unclear how much of that value _adds_ to that of STEEM, vs how much of it is actually achieved at STEEM's expense.
author | timcliff |
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>I think it is more the systemic risk that it presents... This greater risk only exists when STEEM prices are too low, relative to SBD supply. That's not a problem with SBDs. That's a problem with STEEM supply/demand fundamentals and the inability to attract interest in the currency. This will cause a STEEM failure regardless of the existence of SBDs.
author | ats-david |
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The problem of risk is there due to the volatility though, not the direct price of STEEM. If STEEM went up to $20, then crashed down to $1 - we would have the same risk (although on a larger scale) that we have today with the price recently being at $0.20 with the possibility of it dropping to $0.01.
author | timcliff |
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>I personally don't think that 'confusion over SBD' is the main argument for getting rid of it. I think it is more the systemic risk that it presents, as well as the cost it presents to the network of STEEM holders to maintain the peg. As Dan has pointed out though - the cost can go the opposite way too - but it only benefits the network in a rising price environment - which we have not seen too much of recently. Can you explain how having SBD's costs the network of STEEM holder to maintain the peg?
author | luzcypher |
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SBD causes harm to average steem holders since it generates downward pressure on steem price but it gives good tip to witnesses. It's a rigged system man.
author | publicworker |
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Here is a post that explains a large part of it: <a href="https://steemit.com/sbd/@timcliff/sbd-debt-issue-riding-the-steem-price-roller-coaster">SBD Debt Issue - Riding the STEEM Price Roller Coaster</a> There is also the interest paid to SBD holders - which is not a _large_ cost, but it is still a cost none-the-less.
author | timcliff |
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In reply to your other comment (at nesting level 6) > Why was it in the whitepaper to begin with? What has changed since then that has this discussion taking place at all? Who benefits from removing SBD? I don't see any reason to remove it, only benefits of keeping it. Enlighten me. The primary purpose of SBD is to provide a stable currency. Merchants who want to use the currency to sell goods want to have something that has a relatively fixed value. If the value were constantly going up and down, then selling things would be really difficult. Example: What do you charge for a shirt that cost $15 to make, when one day 100 of the currency is worth $20, and a few days later it is worth $15? It is also easy for non-crypto users to understand. Getting paid $10 SBD basically means they have $10 worth of currency that they can cash out / use. If that $10 was worth $5 a few days later - it would be bad for the user experience. As far as what has changed: - STEEM no longer has the 'crazy' inflation, so protecting against volatility is not _as_ necessary. There is still a lot of volatility though, so IDK if this is really a good argument. - The system no longer will pay out "_approximately $1 USD worth of STEEM_" if the debt level exceeds 10%. This means that there is actually a significant risk for merchants who use/hold SBD, in that they may not be able to get all their money if/when they decide to cash out. - The system starts paying out "part STEEM part SBD" once the debt level reaches 2%, which becomes very confusing for users. It essentially defeats the purpose of having a simple coin that users can understand when you have to explain _well, you get some SBD and some STEEM. If you want to, you can convert the STEEM into SBD by using the internal exchange..._ (This is not a user friendly experience!)
author | timcliff |
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> BTC is not a 'stable' currency, yet that has not stopped it from becoming a widely used currency It has been easily in the top three obstacles to adoption of BTC (possibly top one) ever since I've been around, which is 2011. BTC has gained some measure of success (though mostly in a few specific markets) despite this huge barrier. Even there, the presence of the high volatility adds significant friction as many participants (especially the larger ones) converting to USD as quickly as possible. There is little incentive or mechanism for the economy to grow organically in most cases (for example, by those receiving it keeping it and using it for their own payments to others). I'm speaking of use _as a transactional currency_, not speculation (for which we have STEEM). To be fair a huge portion of BTC's so-called use is still tied in some way to speculation and/or mining (itself another form of speculation).
author | smooth |
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I think this point is lost on too many people. Bitcoin doesn't really act as a currency. From what I have observed, at least since 2010, is that Bitcoin "users" don't actually use it - as you said. It's *not* a transactional currency. And it *is* quite volatile, despite its current price, market cap, and trading volumes. This has *always* been the large barrier to widespread adoption for merchants. SBDs actually resolve this issue and can change the nature of crypto adoption for merchants. With SBDs, they don't have to instantly cash out in order to protect themselves from volatility. The SBDs can be held, remain in the STEEM ecosystem, and then be cashed out *only when needed to realize profits in native currencies.* As long as the peg can hold, there's no immediate need to ditch the currency - and this actually serves as *support* for STEEM holders by stabilizing the currency and the network altogether. This notion that SBDs are only harmful to STEEM is absolutely absurd. There is no eternal "downward pressure" on the STEEM price simply because of the existence of SBDs. The pressures on the STEEM price are multifaceted and mostly have to do with factors that are wholly irrelevant to SBDs. The largest downward pressure on the STEEM price is the huge lack of interest in the currency and the Steemit platform. SBDs are an afterthought in that regard.
author | ats-david |
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permlink | re-smooth-re-timcliff-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161223t054410753z |
category | steemit |
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I think tweaking the system from time-to-time can be okay, but it is hard to invest in something, when I don't know what it is going to be next week.
author | whatsup |
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permlink | re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t202021970z |
category | steemit |
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Yeah - and it's not even the changes that are necessarily a problem. It's the constant questioning and hinting that some of the major features of STEEM/Steemit *might* be changed. Doing this publicly all the time just fosters more and more uncertainty among users and investors (and potential ones) alike.
author | ats-david |
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permlink | re-whatsup-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t203201864z |
category | steemit |
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Agreed.
author | whatsup |
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permlink | re-ats-david-re-whatsup-re-ats-david-to-sbd-or-not-to-sbd-why-is-that-a-question-20161222t203254789z |
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