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Game of Flags - a "fun" Redistribution Game - WIN STEEM by flagging by beanz

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Game of Flags - a "fun" Redistribution Game - WIN STEEM by flagging
# Sometimes your given a choice in life...
## Make powerful friends or make powerful enemies...
### That choice isn't always easy...
#### As I write this there is a little voice inside me saying *"stop...  Don't do it...  Your opinion isn't popular and your reputation is on the line..."*
###### But I don't want to feel like I'm walking on egg shells because I'm too cowardly to stop the abuse.
https://media.makeameme.org/created/its-time-to-lkmax8.jpg

**According to the STEEM Whitepaper:**

>The challenge faced by Steem is deriving an algorithm for scoring individual contributions that most community members consider to be a fair assessment of the subjective value of each contribution. In a perfect world, community members would cooperate to rate each other's contribution and derive a fair compensation. In the real world, algorithms must be designed in such a manner that they are resistant to intentional manipulation for profit. **`Any widespread abuse of the scoring system could cause community members to lose faith in the perceived fairness of the economic system.`**

>Steem is designed around a relatively simple concept: everyoneโ€™s meaningful contribution to the community should be recognized for the value it adds. **`When people are recognized for their meaningful contributions, they continue contributing and the community grows.  Any imbalance in the give and take within a community is unsustainable.  Eventually the givers grow tired of supporting the takers and disengage from the community.`**

>A proven system for evaluating and rewarding contributions is the free market. The free market can be viewed as a single community where everyone trades with one another and rewards are allocated by profit and loss. **`The market system rewards those who provide value to others and punishes those who consume more value than they produce.`** The free market supports many different currencies and money is simply a commodity that everyone finds easy to exchange.

There was a time when there was a sense of nobility and respect for the system across the community.  There was a community effort to downvote abuse and discourage it.  I watched and was thrilled by the efforts of the stakeholders to keep the system clean from abuse by downvoting those who were consuming value from the rest of the community.  Somewhere along the line we lost something and our souls were bought.  Something shiny distracted us maybe...
## Here's how the community used to react when somebody attemped to BUY votes on steemit.com
https://steemit.com/steemit/@steve-walschot/bloggery-1-get-all-sbd-rewards-for-this-post-fair-and-equal-for-everyone
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https://steemit.com/steemit/@claudiop63/steembets-bet-for-free-by-upvoting-and-win-steem-dollars-inauguration-bet-clinton-vs-trump
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https://steemit.com/steemit/@august-newbie/flag-abuse-or-how-to-kill-the-steemit-community
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https://steemit.com/market/@steemitmarket/upvote-follow-market
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https://steemd.com/market/@steemitmarket/upvote-follow-steem-market
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https://steemit.com/steemit/@frosty/escrow-backed-newbies-welcome-everyone-who-upvotes-this-post-will-get-an-equal-amount-of-bitcoin-just-provide-your-bitcoin
https://steemit.com/steemit/@etherguy/steemitlotto-just-comment-with-a-number-0-99-and-an-upvote-to-play-for-a-chance-to-win-the-daily-jackpot
https://steemit.com/steemit/@mark-waser/power-up-your-steem-account-with-120-sbd-for-usd100
http://content.screencast.com/users/Carroll_3na/folders/Jing/media/0a8b9119-9e62-4533-b63c-dbc23d38e9d0/2016-12-19_2115.png

Now, one could argue that vote buying is inevitable.  For instance, when advertisers come to the platform, they may well just slip something in a whales pocket behind closed doors.  There is nothing to stop them from doing that other than the risk of being suspected - which might not matter to them.  But how much do you think a whale would be willing to charge for their attention (vote)?  Do you think "a portion of the rewards from the post" would do it?
### I highly doubt it
Here we are on a revolutionary platform that is teaching us for the first time ever to value our attention and we are valuing it at what? .... 0.25 STEEM?
# YOU ARE DEVALUING YOUR VOTE
Some of those who support @steemsports argue that it is a game that keeps users active.  Apparently people get a little kick out of winning less that one STEEM.  When I joined steemit, you know what got me hooked?  When I got significantly more steem than that!  And I find it hard to believe that anybody here really beleives the fun part is winning less than one steem, when steemsports reaps the rewards 4 times a day on a daily basis.

Look!  I have nothing against sports or betting.  In fact, I enjoy them.  But if you want STEEM to become the cryptocurrency of the masses then that is what we need to learn to use as money.  Steemsports has been building their own platform for accepting bets and I look forward to using it to actually gamble with STEEM.  On top of that, they have accumulating enough SP and popularity from the community to continue without redistributing STEEM back to those who vote for them (buying your votes).  Further, I do not wish to discourage people from voting for them AFTER they refrain from vote buying.  Their content and writers are good and I would hope that they would respect the communities wishes and stay with us if the community were to turn against their vote buying efforts - **which is what I am about to ask you to do!**

I'm sure that this will stir a lot of controversy and some might even call me a hypocrit for this but here goes....
# Flagging is for Abuse and Vote Buying is Abuse
### I am pledging to reward everybody who stands with me by flagging one of the following @steemsports posts (before their payout).
https://steemit.com/nfl/@steemsports/minnesota-vikings-vs-green-bay-packers
https://steemit.com/soccer/@steemsports/juventus-f-c-vs-a-c-milan
https://steemit.com/nba/@steemsports/toronto-raptors-vs-utah-jazz
In fact I will distribute more STEEM because I will value your attention much higher than they have by distributing all of the liquid rewards in my wallet at the time of the payout from this post.  Here is a screenshot of what is currently in my wallet but I would also include any STEEM or SBD that anybody wishes to donate towards this effort.
http://content.screencast.com/users/Carroll_3na/folders/Jing/media/593e6a93-9591-4071-9616-1782048238c8/2016-12-23_1718.png

These flags should serve as a message - not to ask @steemsports to leave - but to ask them to respect the votes of the community and their value.  We want this to be a place where the whole community can feel like they have an opportunity to grow here.  We also want our STEEM and our votes to be valuable.  **Please do not see the flags as an attack**, but a message to show just how many steemians would prefer if @steemsports was not pulling so much of the STEEM rewards from the daily payouts by buying their votes.  We would much appreciate if you would just accept the votes you get without purchasing them with the promise of redistribution.
___
Edit:  Because this post has been censored by a whale and there has not been any entries for the flag rewards yet, the SBD from my wallet have been spent on buying the attention of anybody who has used their flag on a steemsports post before.  The steem in my wallet by the time of payout of this post will still be rewarded to anybody who flags the steemsports posts linked above before payout.  There is no need to upvote this post unless you want to increase visibility.
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@ats-david ·
If you haven't read [this](https://steemit.com/steemit/@ats-david/content-crusaders-the-fight-to-save-steemit-will-fail), I would recommend that you take a look at it and the comments. There's no reason to flag. Just ignore it and move on. We should be building up/expanding the community, not fighting over content preferences.
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@beanz · (edited)
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@ats-david ·
>I remember reading your post and I thought it was garbage but note that I did not flag it.

How kind of you. 

>Your post says "I am entitled to vote this up because it is what I am interested in but you are not entitled to vote it down because ... well because it is what I am interested in."

I think you should probably re-read the post. You can flag whatever you want to flag. It's probably not a good idea though, considering what usually happens. 

>You think your message is to respect the interests of others but you're doing the exact opposite by telling people how to vote (or not vote).

I never told anyone how to vote. People can vote however they choose. But if you insist on believing that flagging content is a good idea because you don't like the content, then feel free to do so. It's your own reputation that will likely suffer for it. 

>...even if those who disapprove consider it harmful to the community.

I think this very post is more harmful to the community than anything that @steemsports does - or anything that I do. (Again, you might want to re-read my post and try to understand what it is that I and others are trying to do.) But note, however, that I have not flagged your post or encouraged others to flag it. Although, if the idea is to be abrasive and insult people in addition to buying flags, I might reconsider. I think we could both agree that this wouldn't be good for you, right?
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@gtg ·
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Hi @beanz, I have just upvoted your post, but I am not going to flag @steemsports. I am not going to upvote their content either. Probably never did that. I am not interested in such content, but also I am not considering their actions as an abuse. 
Flagging is not a solution. Making better content is. Unfortunately, that is not my field of expertise ;-)
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@beanz ·
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I just want to note here that by flagging highly rewarded content, you would be redistributing the reward pool to everything else.  This makes the system more fair and keeps more people satisfied with their own rewards.
# The flag is not a weapon.  It is a redistribution tool.
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@skeptic ·
So you are telling everyone to flag out of subjective reasons?
Its not only for abuse?
Is it a flag or a downvote?

This is a major thing, so please let me know.
If it is not only for abuse I will stop making posts about flaggots, I will however start up a flagging guild to start the flagging wars off.
Please let me know.
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@smooth ·
Could not agree more.
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@stellabelle ·
The thing is, the flag will always be viewed as a weapon.
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@walden ·
You have no idea what you are talking about, by flagging something you are using your own voting power as much as you free up, sum zero Triona, you still dont know how the system works after 5 months?????? You are not redistributing anything.
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@inertia ·
I agree, flags are not specifically an attack, the way I see it.  I consider a flag when I see content that brings no value to the platform.  Abuse brings no value to the platform.  Vote-buying is abuse.  I can totally see the argument that @steemsports has a vote-buying component.

But I wouldn't characterise @steemsports as vote-buying.  Is it 50% vote-buying and 50% something else?  Is it 10% vote-buying and 90% something else?  I don't know.  I don't even know what the threshold is to characterise something as vote-buying.

Bottom line, I think @steemsports brings value to the platform, in spite of having a vote-buying component.
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@beanz ·
If they redistribute the rewards to people who upvote it then people like me (who never reads the posts) will upvote it just to get the steem back.  That is definitely 100% vote buying as I am 100% vote selling for steem in return.  The whole point of the curation rewards is to buy your attention and encourage people to vote for valuable content.  Steemsports encourages you to vote for them.  Twice.  Four times a day.  Every day.  Regardless of whether you like the content or not.

>Bottom line, I think @steemsports brings value to the platform, in spite of having a vote-buying component.

That's why I don't think they need to buy your vote.
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@beanz ·
Here's one of my favourite vote buying apologies from back in the day.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@steve-walschot/how-my-best-intentions-almost-lead-to-a-flagged-account-by-smooth
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@smooth · (edited)
Could not agree more. 'Vote buying' is a _potentially_ problematic practice, when it doesn't contribute sufficient value. But then so is any sort of voting that doesn't relate to sufficient value. It is all subjective and those of us who believe that steemsports is adding value express our opinion by voting for it. Half the time or more I don't even bother to vote on the games so they aren't "buying" my vote, it is freely given based on my view of the value they bring, regardless of whether or not there is a vote-buying component. In their particular case, I happen to believe that even the vote-buying itself adds value because the way it is structured and the manner in which it is participatory and makes it a useful service for both entertainment and redistribution. I respect that @beanz may disagree.
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@lifeworship ·
i despise sports. i think it is a waste of time and life. i think it is a destructive force in society. i do not gamble either. 

many people find it to be a positive social experience, and method of relaxation. even gambling can be fun for some if it is not an addiction.

i have not found overwhelming evidence that the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. i prefer to live and let live.

as for vote buying, i have seen very few instances, not enough to concern me. compared to other abuses i see on steemit, the prevalence of vote buying pales. the 100 cheat-ahs gang and steemcleaners do more damage to steemit than anything else i've seen except whale vote trading. whales playing "you vote me, i'll vote you" with each other, is not increasing the value of content here.

if this were an actual free market, and SP were not in an unending nosedive, i might be concerned about vote buying. i'm trying to prioritize. how about whales using multiples to upvote themselves? is that worse than vote buying? i think it is. the same with multiples used in flagging, like the cheat-ah gang.
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@beanz · (edited)
>i despise sports. i think it is a waste of time and life. i think it is a destructive force in society.

OK.  While much of your comment interests me, this is the funniest opinion I have ever heard.  But thank you for voicing it.  As an aerialist and certified fitness instructor I have to disagree.  I mean I've heard people say gambling is destructive but sports?.... OK moving on...

>the 100 cheat-ahs gang and steemcleaners do more damage to steemit than anything else i've seen

While I think that steemcleaners and cheetah do more good than bad, I also partially agree with you in that they do more bad than they are sometimes willing to take responsibility for.

>how about whales using multiples to upvote themselves?

Multiple accounts have the same size vote as one account.  It is one vote per vest.  So using more than one account to upvote yourself doesn't do anything different from upvoting yourself.

Eg. If you have 1 account with 1000 steem and I have 1000 accounts with 1 steem each then you upvote yourself and I upvote myself (with all my accounts), we both make the exact same amount of steem from the upvote.
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@skeptic ·
or bots, or the fact that a whale like dan can make a post and upvote himself and it instantly makes over 5 bucks without anyone ever looking or voting on it.
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@stellabelle ·
"i despise sports. i think it is a waste of time and life. i think it is a destructive force in society. i do not gamble either." EXACTLY
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@beanz ·
This can't be real.
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@heroic15397 ·
Do you also think that old people keeping their mind occupy and their body active by engaging in a competitive game of cards (or let's say boules games, it doesn't make a difference) are doing something that is destructive and wasteful to their lives? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've got the feeling that it's the underlying idea of competition that you dislike in sports. If so, that I would have a hard time to understand because if I had to name one essential aspect making my individual physical life worth experiencing, I would say it's competition (in the sense of struggle). To me, not being this (**in**)ternal realization of separation (**divide**) from the other (**dual**) is equivalent to death (not being alive). Thus, I believe sports is a fine expression of life.
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@mallorcaman ·
Considering it... happy holidays very insightfull post. After reading if Im thinking its a good chance the writing was good.
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@matrixdweller ·
Free market
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@schattenjaeger ·
Flagged for basically flag buying.

Vote buying is considered abuse because when someone purely buys votes, the assumption is that he adds nothing else to the community. This is not the case with Steemsports, which a lot of people seem to enjoy.

In fact, you yourself are basically incentivizing malicious behavior, hence the flag.
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@beanz ·
"incentivising malicious behaviour" suggests that 4 months ago you considered the downvote to be maliscious.

The irony.
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@schattenjaeger ·
My view on the downvote has changed over time, yes. I've even said as much "on the blockchain".

But what I meant was that, to an outsider, the mafia type blackmailing of "pay me to stop flagging you" would seem ridiculous.
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@schattenjaeger ·
I actually thought I was replying to something completely different, and got my stuff mixed up. :D

Anyway, I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snarky when I've actually just come to agree with you on something. That being the downvote.
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@skeptic ·
If it is a flag used for subjective reasons and not abuse I will be starting up a flag guild. Would u want to join? Also is this post not saying that we should flag it? Im thinking it is.
:O
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@screenname ·
Re: Game of Flags - a "fun" Redistribution Game - WIN STEEM by flagging
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@skeptic ·
So you are telling everyone to flag out of subjective reasons?
 Its not only for abuse?
 Is it a flag or a downvote?

This is a major thing, so please let me know.
 If it is not only for abuse I will stop making posts about flaggots, I will however start up a flagging guild to start the flagging wars off.
 Please let me know.
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@beanz ·
Lol.  It is for abuse but abuse is subjective.  You can start your flag war for what you subjectively feel is abuse, but being aware that others may see your use of the flag as abuse - hence why this post has been flagged.

But to be honest, you do seem to be using the word flaggot wrong.  "Flaggot", if I'm not mistaken came from the use of flags on YouTube videos where once flagged, the video is reported and extremely difficult to get back on the site.  On steemit the flag doesn't do that at all.  The most it can do is put your post to the back of the line, where it's d difficult to see it - but not impossible.
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@skeptic ·
Unfornatly some people find abuse in anything.
It is a subjective term and to say the flag can be used for subjective reasons makes it a problem. I find offence to the letter "r" and anyone that uses it is abusing me, so I can now flag anything with the letter "r" in it and be in the right not the wrong correct?
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@smooth · (edited)
$0.03
[nested reply to @beanz](https://steemit.com/steemsports/@beanz/game-of-flags-a-fun-redistribution-game-win-steem-by-flagging#@beanz/re-smooth-re-beanz-re-smooth-re-beanz-re-surfermarly-re-beanz-game-of-flags-a-fun-redistribution-game-win-steem-by-flagging-20161224t092836562z)
> Well then around 50% of the SP from the rewards pool goes and stays with @steemsports. If you don't see that as problematic then I have little faith in your judgement.

It is not really an easy call. They've built a real team, with developers, a brand, a following on the site, a dedicated UI, and a marketing and business plan, all of  which is based on Steem and promotes Steem to people not already on the site. 

To be clear I _have_ given them feedback suggesting to distribute some of the SP in some manner (such as season-long contests or special bonus events or something), but at the same time when I look at their account and I see a value of $16,607, and I think about the amount of time and effort that has gone into it along with what is being done, to me it appears they are bringing that much value and more to Steem.
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@sneak ·
Abuse is subjective.  I don't think you should flag things simply because you don't like them.
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@beanz · (edited)
Abuse is subjective.  I perceive vote buying to be abuse.  Isn't the flag for downvoting things we perceive as abuse?

Vote buying defeats the whole purpose of what we are doing here.  Curation means nothing with vote buying.  Our voices mean nothing because nobody values their vote.  People keep saying "the markets decide" but it's quite clear that if people who will voice that they do not agree with something but they will not vote against it then the market is not deciding.  They refuse to decide because they either perceive the downvote as some kind of attack or because they feel their vote can always be countered.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the flag was introduced before the voting scale.  I could understand when I came to the platform first why the downvote was changed to a flag since any downvote by a whale could send a post straight to $0.00.  But originally the downvote was used almost as frequently as the upvote to decide whether a post should be rewarded more or less.

Now since we have that scale, I think the flag should come back down - though it may be too late to change people's perceptions of the downvote now since it's been a flag for so long.
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@smooth ·
Originally there were up and down buttons like reddit. It was changed to a flag icon for nebulous reasons that I never was particularly convinced were a good idea. Yes I think all of this predates the vote slider but many of us always used the cli for lower strength votes when necessary.
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@richardcrill ·
Then why did you flag kyusho's comment on my post? It was a good comment. Absolutely no reason to flag it!!!
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@sneak ·
If you have to ask, my explanation won't mean anything to you.
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@steemsports · (edited)
Dear @beanz, we wish you and your family a blessed festive season. 

You were very brave to stand up and you have my respect (the founder), but know that we aren't the enemy, we are a bunch of fun, nice people writing and posting sports content and creating engagement in the community through innovative games.

Voting for us, is voting for innovation and for proving that Steem is a platform that welcomes business initiatives that can thrive without being witch-hunted.

When values were higher pre-downvoting from @dantheman, writers and editors were being paid more and the winners would receive up to 5 SP and some SBD. For the project to be viable for writers to be paid correctly for their efforts each post needs to make 150 to 200$ minimum. 

Our current breakdown of liquids rewards pool:
15% editors
12% writers
3% steemsportsfund (our petty cash fund to pay random expenses)
70% back to the community to the winners

All of the SP is retained by @steemsports and is owned by two founders (we don't even take a salary as yet for our tireless efforts), most of the funds will be used towards development and advertising of a web app. See http://bitsports.io to see what we have been up to in stealth beta. We are likely the only showcase of an alternate use case for the Steem blockchain on the market.

Regarding vote-buying, well most votes are bot votes on the main post, they are simply following curation rules on Steem, whereby it pays to upvote popular authors early to earn curation rewards, since everyone knows we trend daily, we get voted alot by bots, but the bots don't actually enter the games and just help raise the reward pool for payouts. In fact the winners are mostly real accounts that I have seen posting on Steemit, have a look:

https://bitsports.io/payouts/the-steemy-games-craig-grant-vs-mr-wang

If you think about it, curation itself is a form of vote buying, the more popular your account becomes, the more people are incentivised to vote on your content simply because of the curation rewards irrespective of value, this is built into the design of Steem and the whitepaper.

Also paying out rewards to loyal customers is nothing new, all retail stores pay back a portion of purchases in the form of loyalty rewards and there is even a crypto currency called incent that is about creating such loyalty systems for crypto payments. It's just common business practice, in our case instead of whales voting on sock-puppets and cashing out, they are voting on us and we distribute to great sports writers and to the community and are also building cool stuff.

I hope you will respect our business in future as we (or at least I have respect for you), rather encourage others or you yourself build cool stuff on Steem to rival what we are doing and surpass us on the trending page rather than aiming at taking us down.

Peace and love this holiday season.

Namaste!
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@stellabelle ·
I voted for you post because I think critical voices are necessary to make things better here, but I am not going to flag their posts. I've never voted nor flagged anything by steemsports and I think in time it will get sorted out, as Dan as mentioned that he doesn't think steemsports works on this platform in an optimal way. I feel that steemsports definitely cheapens this platform and perhaps a different offshoot would serve it better.
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@beanz ·
Unfortunately Dan isn't the boss.  The stake holders decide and they have been deciding by selling their votes cheap.
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@surfermarly · (edited)
Isn't NOT voting the common way to NOT add value to a certain content - hence to express our disagreement? Isn't the decision to NOT transfer Steem Power to an author the way we are able to express that we don't like or don't wanna support a specific content? I've always thought that a flag is an 'alarm system' only to be used in 'emergency situations' when a certain content could be a threat for the community (disrespect, racism etc).
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@beanz ·
There is a budget.  When 50% of the rewards is going to one account, by not voting I am agreeing that I am OK with that.  There isn't an unlimited amount of SP to transfer.  As more and more rewards go to @steemsports (as each vote on top of the last gets bigger) more and more rewards are actually being taken away from everything else.

I perceive a vast majority of the rewards pool going to one account to be a serious threat to the system.  You are entitled to disagree.
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@smooth · (edited)
50% of the rewards are not going to steemsports. I doubt that is even the gross amount (not 100%) sure, but beyond that, to be accurate you would have to subtract the portion that is redistributed not only to the voters on the posts but also the authors and editors who contribute to each post and get a share of the rewards.
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@surfermarly ·
I donยดt disagree, just try to think about an alternative solution to flagging. Because I donยดt think that it would lead to the desired effect in the long term. Your post got flagged several times, I am not sure if this was your aim here.
The smoothest way to re-establish balance would be creating more attractive content / products. If there was a really good alternative to steemsports (not only in financial but also entertaining way), the problem would disappear. Maybe the solution is not in attacking the monopoly but trying to position competitors. 
steemsports isnยดt actually my thing since I am interested in other type of content, but I comprehend the attraction.
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@tommycordero ·
I am a flag virgin, haven't raised the first one because I believe in words. The distribution of rewards is achieved by voting, not flagging. 

I believe flagging should be a paid feature because if you are willing to hide someone's content instead of telling them what bothers you about it, then you should invest some of your own strenght in weakening them. If you just don't like the fact that they are making so much with their content, then you make better content to cash in their place and don't vote for them.
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@beanz ·
This is the problem.  You don't realise that your flag is your vote.

You probably weren't here back in May, but back then there was no flag.  There were 2 buttons next to eachother - an upvote and a downvote.

When you voted you were deciding whether a post deserved more or less rewards.  Unfortunately at the time, the whales had no way to scale their vote, so when they wanted to downvote something they had to downvote at 100% which made the post invisible.

People got all stuck up about the downvoting of whales and to discourage that behaviour it was turned to a flag.  But it serves the exact same function as before, only the image and perception have dramatically changed.  Now people see the downvote as an attack.

Now that we have the vote scale I believe down-voting should be seen the same as upvoting.  It should be valued as an important part of the system.

The system doesn't work if we don't use it.  If people are afraid to use their vote because they don't believe in the power of their vote, then the markets are NOT deciding like everybody says they are.
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@jamesbrown · (edited)
# @beanz description of what the flagging mechanism is intended for:

> This is the problem. You don't realise that your flag is your vote.

# Flagging  description, when you click on the flag button, here on Steemit:

> Flagging a post can remove rewards and make this material less visible. The flag should be used for the following:

   > Fraud or Plagiarism
    Hate Speech or Internet Trolling
    Intentional miscategorized content or Spam

According to Steemit's description, you're wrong.  That description says nothing about content quality or even vote-buying.  It "flags" dishonesty and vileness.

You vote with your upvotes and you essentially downvote by passing on voting-up a post.  Hence, the community, at large, decides what content is worth and people whom misuse flags rightfully get punished for their ignorance/ malice.

Intentional or not, you're spreading misinformation and people that start to implement your suggestion(s) about how to properly use the flag are likely to suffer from doing so, unless they happen to be a whale...I think everyone realizes by now that they're essentially untouchable.
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@tommycordero ·
When I flag someone I am not giving an opposite vote worth the negative of my upvote, I am not taking their existing rewards, I am only hiding their content so that others have a harder time voting or commenting on it, finding it, and giving them more rewards. My flag doesn't tell the author why this is happening either. The flag prevents voting by limiting exposure, it doesn't counter existing votes.

If I am going to limit someone's exposure I think it's very important they know why, otherwise it can be perceived as an attack. If someone doesn't want to use words then they should have to pay to limit themselves in order to limit others. Why can't flags have a price and whatever is collected goes back to the distribution?
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@tuck-fheman ·
<blockquote>Apparently people get a little kick out of winning less that one STEEM.</blockquote>

Which is easier for the majority of people on this planet ... setting up a Linux miner to get 1-4 STEEM per day or clicking an upvote button on a prediction game to earn 1-4 STEEM per day? ;)
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@walden ·
Jesus Triona, you never learn....
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@whatsup · (edited)
Hi @beanz, 
This is an interesting post, and there has been a lot of discussion about @steamsports lately.  I voted for your post, but I am not going to flag anyone.  I do think it was a brave post and I want to leave some feedback.

I have mixed feelings about Steemsports and I will try to explain why.
I have made a decision to not vote for the Up and Down Games whether it be sports or even worse, let's compare these two people physically.  I don't care for this idea at all.  I want to use my vote to encourage more content I am interested in.  (Which is a bit of a joke, because even at 4k SP, my vote doesn't mean much.)

On the good side of Steemsports is it does keep users engaged in the community who aren't bloggers and it gives them a chance to earn some steem.  Without Steemsports we might have lost some of those users.

I do not know if they "manage" how many posts they do a day, but that would be helpful, if it wasn't so often.

The good news is I think the Free Market it going to handle it.  There are now too many people trying to cash in on the idea, and it gets boring.

Great thoughtful post.  Thank you for hitting post on it.  :)  Resteemed for discussion reasons.
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@beanz ·
Thank you @whatsup.  Personally, I think the free market is failing to handle it because people are failing to see any value in their vote - whether that be for upping or lowering a reward.  (Just as you've said just now)

Thank you for the resteem too :)
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@whatsup ·
That is a good point.  I hope that people will feel like they can comment honestly on their thoughts on this post.  It would be good to get a feel for how people think about Steemsports.  I know there are some who really value it, and find it is a good way to build some steem.  I don't want to lose those people before we get a better solution to gambling on SteemIt.
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