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· @beanz · (edited)
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Taking down r4fken
### The battle is over…
## The troll…
# Dead…
At least for now… [But there is talk that this troll will rise again.](https://steemit.com/steemit/@r4fken/defeat-the-powers-that-be-have-beaten-me)
### And when he does…
# Will we be ready?
http://i.imgur.com/UU0FwKu.png
You may have recently received an unwarrented flag from the username @r4fken or the bot used to counter his votes @highasfuck.

So for those who may have felt unwelcomed by this flag abuser, I would like to first apologise on behalf of the steemit community.
# Who was r4fken?
R4fken introduced himself as a *stand up guy*.
http://i.imgur.com/X3JPaEe.png
In the early days he helped police catfish, spam and behaviours many of us here are happy to censor.  The first thing he ever flagged being porn tells me he was never against censorship.

But as we know not all cops are good cops, and one day when faced with a [catfish about to make over $4K](https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@moonflower/a-new-life-in-maui) r4fken got tired of being that *stand up guy* and resorted to **a little [blackmail](https://steemit.com/@moonflower/transfers).**
http://i.imgur.com/D7tv4cT.png
*You have to laugh because if you didn’t you’d probably cry.*

**Not only did he attempt to blackmail, but he also [let this catfish](https://www.fiverr.com/xxbabylovexx/take-a-picture-of-myself-with-your-name-logo-or-message-holding-a-bunny) get away with [over $4000](https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@moonflower/a-new-life-in-maui).**

Despite what r4fken did he was not completely shunned by the community and though he was caught by those who could have destroyed his reputation then, he was treated with mercy. *(Probably because they pitied his idiocy)*
## But r4fken didn't stop there.
If r4fken were to return under another account name it would seem it would not be for the first time.
https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/http://i.imgur.com/CK16JqV.jpg
There was once a sweet looking lady named @caitlinm here on steemit who appeared to be a very good friend of our dear r4fken.  We know this because she seemed to like to [send him all her $teem Dollars](https://steemit.com/@caitlinm/transfers).
### ...a good friend indeed was caitlin.
# IF THAT'S YOUR REAL NAME
### as it turns out it isn't.
The lady in the photo above is actually called Beatriz.
http://i.imgur.com/14BKMV3.png
>Welcome my friend!
My name is Beatriz and I will take a selfie holding a sign with your name and little cute draws :D >.<

^ *[Taken from the link to this gig](https://www.fiverr.com/beatrizknabben/take-a-selfie-holding-a-sign-with-your-name)*

### The account used to purchase this gig was [this one](https://www.fiverr.com/caitlinmoreish)
http://i.imgur.com/gfoeNdy.png
### which was used to give a review to [this writer](https://www.fiverr.com/dennisrich/write-about-self-growth-and-empowerment?funnel=d8330bc4-668e-46ec-8481-7856bc4c8e72)
http://i.imgur.com/OZuc12z.png
### only days after writing [this post](https://steemit.com/life/@caitlinm/motivation-i-dumped-my-abusive-boyfriend-and-it-feels-great).
http://i.imgur.com/qnuqDtL.png
We have @reneenouveau & @pfunk to thank for realising the fraud of caitlinm, but we have @anyx to thank for connecting the account to @r4fken.
http://i.imgur.com/AIlH5VI.png
# What happened next?
*What do you do when you have nothing to lose after losing everything?*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOIIniATubU
# Go crazy?
What followed was a series of randomly selected victims *(mainly noobs)* for unwarrented flagging in an attempt to attack the steemit community and take revenge for being censored by [the cheetah bot](https://steemit.com/steemitabuse/@cheetah/cheetah-bot-explained) which made him ineligible for rewards.

The damage r4fken caused was mostly just confusion and discouragement for many new users who were unaware of the circumstances behind his attack.  **This is because he was just a dolphin.**  A whale can crush a dolphin and so it did.

But anybody could be as villainous as r4fken.  What would be the damage if a whale were to enter our community and behave as carelessly as he did?
### Sure it costs a lot to be a whale...
But if you know how much money *World of Warcraft* makes on cosmetic items for the game, then you'll know that people will spend wackjob amounts of money to keep playing a game they enjoy.

*And considering the way he reacted to his censorship, r4fken must have really enjoyed this game.*
### Why did it take him so long to get bored?
Heck it took me 2 years to give up ***Farmville*** I wouldn't be too quick to think this is the end...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2530/3980153211_33990cca4c.jpg
# Is he really gone?
We can argue that eventually he'll get bored and give up, but in reality even if he does there are others like him out there.
### How do we prepare ourselves for the return of r4fken, or even anybody who might treat the platform as belligerently as he did?
- Firstly, we need to be able to better manage plagiarised content:
[Learning How to Spot Spun Content](https://steemit.com/steemitabuse/@bacchist/learning-how-to-spot-spun-content)
[Using Machine Learning to Fight Plagiarism](https://steemit.com/steemit/@furion/using-machine-learning-to-fight-plagiarism)

- Secondly, we need to go back and talk about [an idea brought up by](https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/negative-voting-and-steem) @dantheman many weeks ago.
I wouldn't dare speak of this idea without also providing [the rebuttal](https://steemit.com/steem/@bacchist/dan-needs-to-be-stopped).
# Negative Voting
To my understanding, the idea would be that at a cost to the curating powers of their own SP anybody can mute the curating powers of somebody else with an equal amount of SP.  For example, if I have 5000 SP and you have 1000 SP I can mute your voting powers so that I can now only use 4000 of my SP for my curation.
### Understandably, people don’t like the thoughts of having their voting powers revoked.
The greatest issue is the cost simply isn't high enough.
http://i.imgur.com/GIvJiY7.png
I have just **ONE** suggestion to make it more difficult to mute somebody elses vote, but I believe this idea is still limited and there still needs to be a higher cost to muting other voters with your own vote.
# You have a reputation to uphold
If the ability to mute a voter only came into effect once the voter lost their reputation, then we would have been able to revoke r4fken and all the sockpuppet accounts of his from both curating for more $teem Power and flagging for pointless revenge.  There are improvements to be made also to the reputation system itself, which means in its current form, it may be too easy for one user to destroy the reputation of another in order to revoke their voting privileges.  Ideally, reputation could only be seriously damaged if many users of high $P and/or reputation were to willfully crush the reputation of the abuser together.
# TL:DR
How rude.

- Just know that the flagging of r4fken and highasfuck was nothing personal or against what you had written.
- r4fken has claimed to have left the building but in reality he likely holds a number of sock puppet accounts.
- We need to have a better way to deals with villains like r4fken.  **Each godzilla was bigger than the last.**
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If this post makes a significant amount, a portion of the rewards will be divided between @reneenouveau, @anyx & @pfunk as I do not wish to take credit for the great work they did.
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@ace108 ·
I've also been flagged by this joker but I sense you're right. He/she will be back.
Good CSI work by the way.
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@beanz ·
I don't like to take credit for other peoples work.  I'm just the journalist.  And an unprofessional one at that since I haven't tried to interview the accused.

Lol
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@ace108 ·
An investigative journalist no less. :-)
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@stellabelle ·
it's definitely a he
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@ace108 ·
sigh... even this got flagged too
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@aggroed ·
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Nice post.  That shithead flagged a bunch of my posts.  Ironically he targeted some of my complains about steemit.
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@aggroed ·
Oh man.  I posted that he's a shithead and that stalker went down every single one of my posts and comments and flagged them all.  Apparently a bunch of bots are setup to handle this, but he's gone out there, full rage mode, and flagged everything.  I'm worried posting here and may be stalker pheromones.
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@beanz ·
Don't be worried.  He has minus reputation he cant hurt you.
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@arcange ·
Scary to see how Machiavellian people can be.

I was so happy at first when joining Steemit and its positive vision (favoring upvote instead of downvote). But, with all the drama around votes, reputation, money ... it does not really help to continue to stay int in the community.

Fortunately there are plenty of good things ... like the fact you informed us.
The battle between good and evil is not over !
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@bluehorseshoe · (edited)
Thank you for posting this. Your post made my stomach turn while at the same time I had to continue reading it. It's a shame there's never a place to avoid the darkness. Your suggestions make perfect sense. The godzilla analogy was spot on.
On a side note, It stinks that guys setup accounts using female friends pics and profiles simply for more attention and earning power. I guess it's a no brainer when the overwhelming majority of the audience is male.
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@beanz ·
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I'm not so sure that that's true.  Perhaps a slight majority are male but I would hazard a guess that somewhere between 35 - 45% of account holders are female.  It would be interesting to know for sure.
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@bluehorseshoe ·
We'll never know how many female profiles aren't  first person(first party) therefore the data will never be accurate. I like your optimism with the guess though beanz.
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@candy49 ·
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Well, the way we know this is a *real* social media site is because shennanigans like these abound! Nobody bothers to troll sites with no potential. So it's really a measure of steemit becoming successful!
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@christianus ·
How long would it take to take down Beanz, who is with me, lets catch her in her own game.
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@dajohns1420 ·
That guy gave me my first flag! Justice served.
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@dennygalindo · (edited)
$3.25
Thanks for writing this. I still have mixed feelings  though. I am suspicious of "altruistic behavior."  If someone wants pay $10 for well written stories and pictures to post here isn't he just giving the voters what they want? Why are we paying $1,000 for a picture of cute girl and a story you could pay someone to write(or take)  for $5.  Isn't that the problem? If the market price of something is out of whack, the market will supply it until the price comes down. Acting altruistically  just papers over the  issue of overvalued content. I think if anyone finds something profitable to do here, let them do it. Sure expose the catfish and ruin the rep but negative voting seems like altruistic gesture that goes to far. Just my thoughts.
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@doitvoluntarily ·
good job!!
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@hanshotfirst ·
$0.32
Great post... because you told it in a way that made me read the whole thing. I remember bits and pieces of this story but it was great to see the details in one place.
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@jlufer ·
$1.25
thanks for sharing this material, I like what you posted. Thank you so much
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@beanz ·
$1.25
If you are not a bot please respond to this comment saying so.
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@karenmckersie · (edited)
YIPPEE!  IM so glad hes been dealt with, at least for now! I ended up writeing 2 posts about this guy, trying to bring more attention , and hopefully have this type of  abuse taken care of swiftly in the future! As he was repeatedly flagging me as well! Im looking forward to a solution that im sure steemit will come up hopefully sooner rather then later, before he returns , or more" Crazy"people begin doing the same thing. Heres a link to my second post.  
https://steemit.com/steemit/@karenmckersie/have-you-been-flagged-by-r4fken-hes-a-malicious-flagging-looser
Thanks so much for posting this  beanz ! And another big thanks to  @anyx also  @pfunk and   @reneenouveau  Awesome job everyone!  Keep up the great work!
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@kingarbinv ·
I've actually been thinking on a solution myself, charging SD to flag, meaning no SP involved. That one didn't go over very well when I posted about it, so how about just a plain regular Block button to stop certain users from following you, replying to your articles, or even able to see them. This wouldn't be able to remove current flags but if you have a problem with a user flagging everything you post like everyone here seems to have, including myself, this would be a quick easy solution to the problem. 

In Short:
A Blocking button to prevent further flags by the same user would be helpful to everyone. Flagging stops our posts from their best potential earning.
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@beanz ·
Yeah we need that block function definitely.  The problem with charging to flag is the bots.  Bots would take over and it would be too expensive to keep trying to stop them.  But currently I'm being harrassed by a number of trolls and even if their replies were blocked from showing up in my reply box that would help.  Flagging isn't that big a deal unless you have a lot of SP which r4fken does.  Your comment is made invisible only because he has a lot of stake here.  The 3c that gets removed is meaningless but the hidden posts is annoying.  I think he's doing it so that the developers will stop hiding posts but in reality they're just going to find a way to remove his voting powers.  It wouldn't even matter if the vote still happened on the back end, as long as it doesn't make the post invisible.
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@kingarbinv ·
I have no idea how to present my Block function to the devs though, so any one kind enough to do so, be my guest.

I think his voting powers and steem should be forfeit since he is doing this deliberately to "annoy noobs" as he puts it which is actually harassment when he continuously targets certain users flagging all their posts. A IP Banning by the admins should be in order in cases like his, harsh yes, but well deserved also yes.
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@mione ·
Mione for justice! Upvote against R4fken downvote
<p>I have noticed your post was flagged by R4fken, well known steemit hater. </p><p>I am for justice and I am here with all my Steem Power to help you resist his hate downvotes and let your post be visible for steem users. Upvoted!</p>
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@beanz ·
$0.31
Thank you @mione, glad to see you and @anyx sorted out your differences.
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@neoxian ·
$0.21
"Will we be ready?"
Yes!
https://nuttersdelight.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/archers.jpg
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@pfunk · (edited)
I think the idea of censoring accounts is too drastic for cases like this. There's no threat to the existence of Steem(it) as we know it here. *If necessary*, a pragmatic community-consensus solution could be found for a whale account going on a rampage. For now, it's not a bridge that needs to be or should be crossed.
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@r4fken ·
wtf, you're one of the guys that decided to destroy my rep
hypocrit
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@beanz ·
Since you're here r4fken, would you like to give us your side of the story?
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@christianus ·
Need some help to take down these idiots? lets form a group and make them suffer.
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@pfunk ·
$0.03
I helped lower your rep, that's true, but it doesn't make me a hypocrite. What I am talking about is disallowing accounts with stake to vote on the Steem network. The reputation system is a Steemit thing. Steemit and Steem are not the same.
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@skeptic ·
why is it that you have no problem flagging people but when others flag you it is then a problem?
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@skeptic ·
https://steemit.com/censorship/@skeptic/a-message-to-all-the-flaggers
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@skeptic · (edited)
haha! I woke up and he went flag crazy on me.
I feel special now for all the attention he game me. 8D
I need to make a post thenking him for all the love.

https://steemit.com/censorship/@skeptic/i-think-r4fken-has-a-crush-on-me
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︻╦╤─    TO VICTORY COMRADES! WE SHALL TAKE BACK THE OLD︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─
			☻/                    STEEMIT  FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─
			/▌                     GRAB     ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─  ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─
			/ \                       YOUR   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─  ︻╦╤─
		 /""""""""""""\=======I   ︻╦╤─   GUNS   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─
		︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─   ︻╦╤─
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@beanz ·
Aww you didn't have to do that.
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@ubg ·
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@wakeupnd ·
No more graying out posts by low reps

https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/225
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@williambanks · (edited)
Ack!  No BEANZ!!!  Seriously!  @beanz We killed that idea with FIRE for a reason!
@baccarists rebuttal was hardly the only one!  It was just very, very visible.

I realize my name isn't attached to the rebuttal but look closer at it please!  Follow the links, read the comments and go to github where I started that conversation at.
https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/279

It was going to go in as the next hardfork with literally 0 discussion and I barely caught it before it went in, then I started ringing alarm bells, even 

@klye got in on it.

I worked so hard to get everyone on board there was literally dozens of us who realized what a messed up idea that is.

Please do more homework.  There are far better solutions for someone like that.  You even upvoted me on it...
https://steemit.com/steemit/@williambanks/on-a-platform-advocating-free-speech-trolling-is-like-the-flu-but-censorship-is-cancer

Other than that,  this was an awesome post.  Unfortunately you haven't heard the last from that user.  More will come, just realize it's flu season and there are sick people.
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@beanz ·
$0.31
Thanks @williambanks, I had already read everything on github.  Like I say, there are still holes in the idea even with the addition of my own.  I'm just talking about talking about it.  I'm certainly not saying it should have went ahead as a hardfork.  I'm grateful to everybody who voiced their concerns and pointed out the holes.

Thank you for the extra links.
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@stellabelle ·
Oh boy! I just read that entire thread and jeez.......it is a true mess!!!!!!
All the minutae on voting and the counter-attack, and the counter counter attack, and ad nauseum, this is turning out to be overcomplexification of things because of the primary problem: centralization of power.
The solution seems like a total redesign to me. But I doubt that will occur, since the very structure of Steemit.com is centralized.
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@beanz ·
Hi stellabelle, I've sent you a private message on steemit.chat.  It's an idea I don't want to publish here on steemit, but think it could be helpful to some people.  If you're ever in Chat, let me know what you think.
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@williambanks ·
A better solution is to simply realize we have no enemies and extend an olive branch to everyone who will take it.

A redesign wont solve it.  It's not a war of people.  It's a difference in ideals.

Use Occam's razor to cut the Gordian Knot.
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