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RE: Who is Ozchartart, really? The real story behing the ozchartart controversy. (Sock Opera part 1) by berniesanders

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· @berniesanders ·
Yep, he's a friend.  Good job Sherlock, you solved the case!!
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@morir ·
I never claimed to be attempting to "solve a case", just to be presenting information relevant to people voting on this user.   Information which, btw, both you and he misrepresented in his and dans thread about downvoting.

Him being a friend is one possible interpretation of that information.  Him being an alt-account is another.   There is nothing to "solve" only information that apparently many feel is relevant to the question -- information you wish to hide.

It is, of course, your right to hide this information (to the extent that your SP allows you to).  But the fact that you wish to do so is, well, even more information.
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@berniesanders ·
He's not an alt account.  If you wish to continue spreading these lies I will continue to downvote your comments.
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@morir · (edited)
Of course, that is your right.

However there were no lies in my comment.  Everything i said was absolutely provably true.  Including the fact that him being an alt account was _a possible interpretation of the information available_.

Even if we take it as a given that your statement about him not being one is an absolute gosepl fact, it does not change the fact that some people will interpret the available information incorrectly.
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@smooth · (edited)
>  Everything i said was absolutely provably true

From OP:
>  known to be accounts belonging to @berniesanders (like @nextgencrypto and @kushed)

@kushed belongs to @berniesanders? This is news to me, and it would be particularly interesting to me if you could prove it. 

I suspect you overstate the strength of your claims.

EDIT: 

> I was talking about the comment

Okay I misundertood. Nevertheless, it still appears to me you making overly-strong factual claims in your original post. That is not a good sign for witch-hunt post. It is a questionable game to play to begin with but if you are going to play you damn well better check and recheck your facts. If it were not already flagged to oblivion I would like have flagged it.
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@morir ·
>Everything i said was absolutely provably true
>From OP:

I was talking about [the comment](https://steemit.com/steemit/@morir/who-is-ozchartart-really-the-real-story-behing-the-ozchartart-controversy-sock-opera-part-1#@morir/re-berniesanders-re-morir-re-berniesanders-re-morir-who-is-ozchartart-really-the-real-story-behing-the-ozchartart-controversy-sock-opera-part-1-20170119t160324035z) @berniesanders flagged.   

I said 
>however, there were no lies *in my comment*.   Everything i said was absolutely provably true. 

>@kushed belongs to @berniesanders? This is news to me, and it would be particularly interesting to me if you could prove it.

I thought that was an acknowledged, out in the open fact.  like @nextgencrypto belonged to @berniesanders (or the other way around).  I assumed it based on comments made in chat and in posts, but perhaps i misinterpreted.
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@morir · (edited)
>Okay I misundertood. Nevertheless, it still appears to me you making overly-strong factual claims in your original post. That is not a good sign for witch-hunt post. 

With the exception of incorrectly assuming that kushed was an acknowledged  nextgen account , i made no factual claims that were not backed with evidence.

Don't believe me?

>Recently, there has been a good deal of controversy about user @ozchartart. 

Factual assertion and provably true


>The narrative that we have all heard is that OZ is just an innocent victim, caught in between the allegedly dishonest whales upvoting him and allegedly intolerant whales downvoting him.This narrative is not entirely accurate. 

Not a factual assertion.  Interpretive

>In this post, i intend to explain the real relationship that OZ has with those voting for him.

tbh, i think this is poorly worded.  Its meant to distinguish the "real relationship" from the one that exists in much of the narrative (that ive seen).  "explore the nature of the relationship between oz and NGC" would h ave been better.  Still, i don't know as this rises to the level of an unproven factual assertion.

> I take no position on whether this relationship is necessarily unethical or harmful to the platform. However, i think honesty and transparency is important. 

opinion

>The notion that ozchart is some random poster who got lucky (or through skill) attracted the attention of important patrons, and is now being punished for his success is simply not supported by facts.

Interpretive

>@ozchartart also has a second account called @ozmaster. This account is actually older it was mined on april 7. You can see the first POW it found here. https://steemd.com/tx/09867b2f6b6823dda274ba5abc60742b972a4b5f

provable factual assertion

>Of these 17 votes, 6 were for posts by people that appear to be completely independent of @berniesanders: @team, @riverhead, @clayop, @blocktrades, @au1nethyb1, and @golovachlen


provable factual assertion

I could go on, but it would just be more like that.

What you, and others, seem to take exception to is that people looking at these facts might interpret them in a way with which you disagree.  but they are just facts.  not a witch hunt.
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@morir ·
incidentally, it seems to me that you wish to have your cake and eat it too.  On one hand, if someone criticizes the quality of the work of one of your 'friends', you flag them because they must have ulterior motives.

OTOH, if someone questions the motives behind your own vote, you attack them as well.

WHat it really seems like is that you don't want any standards at all.  Which i suppose is a reaosnable position.
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@berniesanders ·
Aaah, nice shill account @sigmajin!!!

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@morir · (edited)
I specifically stated in the comments to this post that this was an alt account for my main account @sigmajin.    [link to comment](https://steemit.com/steemit/@morir/who-is-ozchartart-really-the-real-story-behing-the-ozchartart-controversy-sock-opera-part-1#@morir/re-aizensou-re-clayop-re-aizensou-re-clayop-re-morir-who-is-ozchartart-really-the-real-story-behing-the-ozchartart-controversy-sock-opera-part-1-20170119t093620887z)  .. so I guess this account is more of a prop player than a shill.  I had originally intended to mention it in the post, but i inadvertently cut it out on an edit and forgot to put it back in. (though now that you mention it ill do it now)

I used an alt account because i thought it was very likely this post would be flagged into oblivion (surprise surprise, i was right) and because i felt it was at least possible that my main account might not get nuked as well (though, before you start making cryptic threats i don't really care that much)
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