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Trigger Warning: I agree with @grumpycat by bethwheatcraft

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· @bethwheatcraft · (edited)
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Trigger Warning: I agree with @grumpycat
OK guys, so I am about to drop some bombs that might not make some people happy, but hey, you can't always make everyone happy and they are things I have observed since my first day here and I have wanted to talk about for a while.

I know that some people don't like the fact that @grumpycat makes a lot of money on his posts, but he brings up some good points that I have to agree with.

![grumpy cat.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmVahMSLjPz3JbPZM21hv7KHDMVaXHA4fkjnUrWaVhdDPM/grumpy%20cat.jpg)
(*This post might make people unfollow me. I'm sorry guys.*)




Nearly a day ago, a very well-known and somewhat controversial whale, @grumpycat, dropped a blog about Grumpy-Compliant posts. Now this was a bit vague, but I believe that if you are invested in this platform, you understand what a Grumpy-Compliant post would be. This might include but not be limited to:

- Not using excessive amounts of upvote bots

- Not upvoting your shit posts in the last 12 hours of their 7 day runs

- Not just posting a YouTube video with little to no explanation of its existence

- Not just posting a photo with little to no explanation of its existence

- Not using stolen photos that you rip off of other people online

- Not writing poor quality posts that don't really add anything to Steemit, and if you do, not upvoting them into oblivion

- Writing good quality content often

- Making meaningful comments that add to the original poster's conversation

I honestly think it is pretty clear what a good quality post would/should be if you have been paying attention to this platform at all and if you give a shit about this platform at all. 

Whether or not you agree with @grumpycat and his particular flavor of posts is irrelevant to the reality that Steemit is being inundated by crappy content. The kind of content that people are flocking by the thousands here every day to try to escape. If something isn't done about people making money on crap, then good content becomes threatened by terrible pictures of a Canon camera. 

![Screen Shot 2018-01-13 at 8.51.19 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmcPiNZPobY16bXL9JJjMNqEYW6HjRCX6RpB3ei1AaBRhY/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-13%20at%208.51.19%20AM.png)

(*Screen shot courtesy of my good friend, @pawsdog, who is working tirelessly to call out and eliminate shit posts. You should check him out because he is a verifiable badass.*)


Now, you may be thinking, well this isn't so bad, Beth, I could potentially be on board with this. Shit posts are going to bring down the platform, ok I can jive with that. But, I am not done yet. 

I think in the future it is going to be hard to delineate a shit post from a not-shit post, as everyone has varying levels of acceptance, and some people see this as an inorganic overreach. I have seen a lot of comments criticizing @grumpycat because they feel he shouldn't get to decide what "good content" is. 

One poster in particular,  @DineroConOpciones was quite fumed indeed to find that one of his posts was one of the first targeted by @grumpycat. He went on and on about how it was unfair for his post to be called out as a shit post, and *many* people agreed with him, to the tune of over $1000 and nearly 2k upvotes. 

![Screen Shot 2018-01-13 at 8.57.28 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmR3VXCBmAhLLqLRhwXg1yHJ7212ucUmdGVTxN7UDAdAna/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-13%20at%208.57.28%20AM.png)

My question however is, do these people *really* think that @DineroConOpciones is so amazing that his posts are deserving of all that support, or do they just hate @grumpycat so much that they would rather side with  @DineroConOpciones than see the bigger, broader point I think @grumpycat was trying to make?

Here's where shit gets real and you may not like me anymore...

I don't think people should come to Steemit and drop their work from other money-making sources.

Now let me clarify. That doesn't mean you can't share pictures from your past, or past artwork. It doesn't mean you can't post YouTube videos of a song you recorded two years ago, or a project located on another site that you are excited to share. I get it. I did it. Actually my first few posts were links to YouTube videos because I didn't even know about d.tube yet. But as I got into the community, I realized that posting links from YouTube wasn't helping the Steem community grow. And now everything I post goes on d.tube because I want to help it grow and get bigger.

Let me double clarify, I have ZERO problems with linking if you do it properly and in a way that doesn't amount to a shit post. For instance, the always amazing @aussieninja just made an amazing post where he posted pics from his photography past and wrote an eloquent explanation for all of them. Beautiful. I love it. He also sometimes links to YouTube videos to show his progress on his Ninja Warrior adventure. He always seamlessly slips them into his well-written blog updates. This is perfect. This is how it should be done. I am not saying you *only* have to use d.tube. But can you honestly tell me that this is helping grow the Steemit community:

![Screen Shot 2018-01-13 at 8.29.29 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmdvHLfvFChwxaeCNhMBSXhsgFW9DDDhMEdVFZ1Ygg2fki/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-13%20at%208.29.29%20AM.png)

This is the latest post from  @DineroConOpciones that he so vehemently defended. It is literally just a YouTube video and a link to his Twitter. The only thing that even relates to Steemit is the fact that all of his videos have to do with Crypto. What a deal then huh? Just drop your links to your previous work on a website that you know is full of people interested in Crypto with ZERO fucks given about the actual platform itself, but merely the money that can be sucked out of it, and the followers you can get for your *other* mainstream social media platforms. (News flash: we are actively trying to get people to migrate *from* these platforms, not vice-versa.) I did some looking too, and it wasn't just this one time. It appears that his entire existence as far back as I have looked has been dropping YouTube videos in an attempt to get YouTube subscribers. The only difference now is the ludicrous amount of money he is now making by just putting up a link that he is likely already monetizing on Youtube.

![Screen Shot 2018-01-13 at 8.35.45 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmU3ES7QHFkyQxqqTsBSQy9tnmGNWZBnxqRJm8syZruovJ/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-13%20at%208.35.45%20AM.png)
(*I couldn't get the whole page in the screen shot, but it is another YouTube link drop with the only other text being a link to his Twitter. Note the amount, nearly $1,000*)

![Screen Shot 2018-01-13 at 8.36.06 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmeXn6yqVQn6837Vs9JPrSgzVJaWPR7uwxDUR6RtrRTV9M/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-13%20at%208.36.06%20AM.png)
(*Yet another YouTube link that raked in $713*)

So this is the *quality* content that nearly 2k Steemit users think should be saved from the gallows of the almighty @grumpycat downvote? I don't get it. Why are people really on here then? 

There are some people on here that bust ass daily to make quality posts, I have named three of them, but there are so many more, and they are barely topping $100 on their highest payouts. They consistently release quality d.tube videos, blogs, music and much, much more. They aren't just copy and pasting a link and getting out of dodge. 

So there it is ladies and gents. My potentially rage-inducing post. I *want* Steemit to stick around. I *want* a platform that offers its users more than any other platform. People can see the advantages here, but instead of sticking around to help build it, they continue to use the non-blockchain platforms and then just link dump. 

None of this is technically *wrong* of course. There really are few rules on here. However, even in a land of few rules, there are still consequences. Those consequences come in the form of pleasing or pissing off the powers that be (the whale overlords). And there may be some that abuse their power, but I think in general they mostly want what's best for the platform and can identify what isn't. This is a clear cut case for me of what isn't.

*mic drop*
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@barge ·
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I'm new on Steemit and am only beginning to discern and learn the patterns of etiquette and politics that operate, both at the regular/object, and at the meta levels of the Steemniverse...I'm just glimpsing stuff right, but I  am putting it together in my head to form a developing notion of what it's about (I have came on board enthusiastically). 
One of the themes that has come through pretty clearly to me is the movement towards something new - an undefined new paradigm of sorts, in which there is or may be some/excellent  financial gain to be had, but where the promise/expectation of this it is not the driver of participation, merely a by-product that also motivates and incentivises. The real driver - in my perception of this 'new-ness' - is the desire to express oneself and engage with others *with sincerity*, and free from the insecurity of a centralised, controlled platform. The fact of relative 'real-world' anonymity on Steemit makes this easier for an introvert like myself to do, as I don't have the psychological burden of speaking to an audience that largely knows me 'out there' as well (as I did on Facebook until I left in 2014, after which I shunned all forms of social media until Steemit dropped into my lap via @pressfortruth on Youtube). 
So, the point of my post is that I have also noticed the spam, the bots, the high rolling income numbers on various Steemians through various means and methods....but I also noticed this new-looking movement of energy towards something that I am not attempting to describe– and its voice was much louder than the voice of greed. I felt it in a welcome post I received minutes after my introduceyourself post went live – from @bethwheatcraft herself  actually :); I felt it in numerous posts discussing the etiquette and philosophy as the authors and curators ideally saw it; and I felt it in some of the videos I watched on dtube and guides I read on Steemit, all sincerely striving towards a community with solid, basic values of equality, independence, self-responsibility, transparency and all the other great human lovey-dovey stuff that feels *good*.
It may take a wee while, but values do over time tend to pick up force and energy - the shift IS happening. IMHO, the more newbies experience this intangible difference that I'm not really trying to talk about, the more the positive and desirable attitudes (basically playing it straight :) will become the norm. Steemit, in my opinion, has the potential for this, and you Beth, along with a growing army of others, are doing a lot to ensure that these issues stay HOT.
Thank you and namaste
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Well hot damn, that was a really nice post! I almost hate to post articles like this because I hate focusing on the negatives! I much prefer to spend my time upvoting and making sure that the hard work of others is recognized, but if we let the underbelly of Steemit fester for too long, then there will be a gaping hole in the rewards pool, creative content will be buried and lots of potential SP and SBD will be lost to the black hole that is shit posts! Thanks so much for your kind words! They mean a lot!
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@bitfiend ·
*grabs the mic*

If you lose followers over this, *good riddance* I say.  You will gain more followers by speaking up.  I agree with @grumpycat's efforts.  I think this will only better the platform.  As for your argument about outside links / content, I also agree.  I've been an on and off twitch streamer for the last 2 - 3 years.  It was never beneficial for me so I got bored.  I've recently been looking for a way to stream twitch on steemit, but then I noticed d.live.  The next time I stream anything it will be on that.  

What gets me is how people who have table scraps invested in the platform compared to some of these 3 million + dollar accounts think that the bigger whales have no reason to protect their investment.

As a newcomer to the platform, I am 100% okay with whales laying the smackdown because I can see the abuse happening every day.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
I haven't been on d.live yet. I will have to check it out! Sounds cool! Thanks for your comment! I have only receive a little bit of flack, so that's good! (I tend to be rather averse to controversy!)
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@joalex ·
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I really enjoyed both your initial post and the subsequent comments. I am new to the platform and trying to find my way around. It would be helpful if the FAQ section of Steemit contained a bit more information about down voting as it seems people struggle to know where the button is. I want to keep learning how to help make Steemit work for everyone so your post (and similar) along with all the comments are really helpful. Thank you
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@bethwheatcraft ·
There are quite a few things that I wish would be like pinned as important post for newbies, downvoting being one of them!
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@joeshaver ·
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Hahaha! Canon Camera... Seriously though. How did that make $10? The most I've made off a post so far is less than $0.50...
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@bethwheatcraft ·
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Voting bots! I don't use them so I don't know how they work really, but I know that people have been using them lately to upvote their posts at the last minute before payout so that they make a decent amount of money.. @pawsdog explains it really well! It's kind of confusing!
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@pawsdog ·
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I think voting bots are somewhat shady no matter how you slice it. I think if you want to be successful. Network with other users and keep upping your game. Learn from them. I learned from @bethwheatcraft that I should probably start doing videos on dtube.. success is working hard and having good followers, engaging them, and promoting them.. not trying to shortcut the system through vote buying..
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@metzli ·
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I kept using the original works bot because I liked the instant gratification of that penny (silly, I know) but stopped using it when I saw how expensive that penny really was (diverting curation rewards, adding to bitcoin voting etc).
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@pawsdog ·
I never noticed that. I was under the mistaken assumption that the original works one was a good thing..
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@joeyarnoldvn ·
All bow to the mighty Canon camera. Cats can get very grumpy. Have seen a lot of those oatmeal-hole posts. Those pie-hole posts. They come from a mentality of post like it is a text kind of thing. Facebook is making billions of dollars off of what we do here on Steemit. Facebook is like a ghetto. YouTube is censoring people. But Steemit is growing as is Bitcoin.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Yeah it is up to us to be the stewards of Steemit.
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@mervesaglamx ·
The cat is very sweet by the way :)
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Haha, sweet isn't the word I would use to describe Grumpy Cat but I guess he's pretty cute.
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@pawsdog ·
May want to update your tags to be more visible.. #abuse #flag  not sure about #steempoolrape as you are the only article there. I know #rewardspoolrape had some traction.. but don't think this is going to do well in #cryptocurrency maybe.. probably overstepping my boundaries.. just suggestions..   (upvoted, followed and resteemed)... :)
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@metzli ·
$0.02
I can see where you are getting upset BUT some of us came-to Steemit because it was advertised to us that it was a non-censored Facebook. 

If you want more people to join Steemit, you are going to get more β€œshit posts.” Why? Because when I get β€œmy mom” (or any other Facebook user) off Facebook, she’s not going to all of a sudden become a professional blogger/photographer. We will probably still see pictures of her grandkids - which I think is fine.

I put effort into what I post and I’m glad others do too. I’m enjoying the writing community and reading short stories, and even these types of posts AND the simple pictures by everyday people. 

PS. If I had enough steem Power, and I would have seen the β€œshit hit the fan” post early enough, I would have given it my $.01 upvote.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
But I disagree with the idea that Steemit is going to be the new FB. People have said that, but it isn't really set up that way. Not Steemit. Maybe another website powered by Steem, but that's different. Steemit is like the nicer, classier version of Reddit, where you can make money. Most people here don't want it to become Facebook. There are plenty of other up and coming blockchain sites that are parents can go to if and when FB comes crashing down. There may even be a Steembook! That would be awesome. But Steemit is a place to put out quality content, whether that be art, music, writing, videos or what not. It would be sad if it just became another FB and I don't think I would stick around at that point!
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@metzli · (edited)
I came for the β€œnon-censored” Facebook, but agree with you that the current platform is better than Facebook. I curved my posts to give a little more value, but could have easily stuck to sharing my affiliate marketing ventures (I came here to as a marketer but like being here as a writer better). 

I’m having a good time, and am enjoying the dialogue tour post brought.
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@mokulkhan ·
Thanks a lot for sharing your valuable post....
Best of luck..
I will still 
wait your next post....
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@mstafford ·
I definitely agree with what yourself and @grumpycat are trying to say. There's definitely a whole lot of people posting garbage to the platform here, which, in a system of "creating and **curating** high quality content", is definitely bad news bears. I often forget that there's the counterpart to the upvote button -- the all powerful flag / downvote. I forget to use it, but it's definitely necessary.

At the same time, however, it's interesting to hear the whales complain bout this and try to 'rally the troops' to join them, when they themselves are the ones that are getting the majority of the reward pool. Maybe if the 'wealth' or 'influence' on the platform here were more evenly distributed,  people would be more compelled to flag things, because they actually see what it's like to get a slice of the reward pool, and would want to protect it from being raped.

Right now, to some degree, it just sounds like whales yelling, trying to get minnows and others to fight for them (the whales).
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Oh yeah, that's definitely true. But at least on here, it is possible to climb the ranks and eventually, not reach whale status, but be comfortable making money just doing the things you like to do. I guess it is that which motivates me to tow the line, and try to ignore the often times blatant hypocrisy of the whales to see through to the points they make which are valid. The whales have already contributed to Steemit, either in content or money, mining or development. So, their opinions on content, to me anyway, are pretty much automatically valid given their current standing. While it's true that maybe there should be rewards for those like @pawsdog who are out fighting the good fight, he is ultimately every bit as much to gain from doing what he does as the whales are, more so probably even. A few thousand dollars raped here and there is a pittance for a whale, but an awful lot for us minnows. Preventing shit posts from making money is a minnow's only recourse to saving some of the reward pool, since we can't control our great whale overlords haha. I guess that's just how I see it! Thanks for your comment though, I completely agree.
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@onnovocks ·
Hahaa, by now you prolly thought that my response would not appear here. Well maybe you're right. It's not that I have nothing to say; it's that I'm mulling over the evidence. I agree with most of what you are saying, but you underestimate the other guy's greed, so I may dedicate a post of my own on this subject. If I post the evidence I will be truly hated. This platform truly is like the street, you can find everything you like and dislike, but the manipulation has positive as well as negative sides to it, and I'm undecided on whether to expose or not. I also want this platform to succeed in a way that represents true merit. Greetings!
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Oh I am not denying the greed of many of the whales. I guess I just look at it as though the whales have put something into this platform. You don't typically become a whale by doing nothing. So either these guys dumped a lot of their own money or time or whatever into the platform already, and are therefore, in my mind, well above those like the guy I mentioned, who hadn't really done that, or like the other people on here who rape the site for money and haven't really invested anything. I'm not sure people would hate you for posting what you think! That's what this site is supposed to be for. Even if I disagreed with everything you said, I would still be happy to hash it out and I still respect you as my friend on here. That's the way it should be.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Though I can understand with some of what @pawsdog has been through that you may not want to step on the wrong toes (or shall I say...flippers?)
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@pandasquad ·
I can't find @DineroConOpciones or his post as i'm quite interested in that topic. What I can say is the reason me and many others came to this platform was because a youtuber promoted it. Honestly if the target audience is those not using other forms of social media then this will never get big. What your saying implies people can't cross link there social media. Most social media stars advertise there twitter in YouTube and there is no problem there, same as any other things they do e.g. t-shirts. Then avid followers would follow them and/or make an account to follow them. In both cases twitter sees more usage.

I won't say who made me make an account because some people on this platform with one downvote have the voting power to destroy 1000 upvotes from minnows. If this platform is ever going to be main stream the users won't pay for an account or invest into one, the average person doesn't invest in anything but bad debt for unnecessary things. Which makes me worried why I can't find @DineroConOpciones, did he piss off @grumpycat or other big accounts and got his downvoted till he deleted? He may have had 1000 upvotes but just a couple whale downvotes forever and he will never make money. What's to say some users didn't migrate from youtube to help him out on this platform and then get embedded in this like me. Surly attracting genuine users is the best thing a poster could do? It also seems like you said if he did the exact same but uploaded to dtube it would be fine. Why? It shouldn't matter where the video comes from if it's original. It's just extra work for the uploaded. I once tried to upload to d.tube for 2 hours and it didn't work/I couldn't use it so I uploaded to youtube and posted a link ... am I now destroying steemit? 

As I can't find him I can't make a valid judgement by watching the videos. I just think potentially it was unfair. There is a lot of etiquette on this platform that is rarely spoken of and hard to find out unless you have alot of spare time like me, but even I am still learning about this platform and I must have been using it for 2 hours minimum a day for 3 weeks now. I think people should be taught that isn't viewed well by the community, not named and shamed. I didn't mean this to seem like a rant on your post I'm just trying to show the other side of the argument. And I'm also fed up with whales not liking something and instantly getting there way at the cost to the minnows due to unbalanced power, reminds me of corrupt governments. I also don't mean to get all cheesy but they have great power and that comes with great responsibility if they like it or not. This platform NEEDS to be accommodating to not crypto enthusiast who don't have money to invest, who won't spend hours researching the etiquette of steemit. I hope you can see my opinion as a valid one, as I view yours, even though they are different.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
The difference between this platform and the others however, is that this platform *pays* you. And it pays you under the premise that you are specifically providing it with content, not just dumping your content from elsewhere hoping to make a quick buck. You can cross promote all day between the other social medias because none of them have any expectation of you other than to exist as a data project they can sell to the highest bidder. This platform is a community where people have invested a lot into Steem and Steemit, and hope those on here will do the same. It's hardly fair for those who invest the majority of their work into another platform, and just drop a link here, to get the same compensation as someone who meticulously creates content for this specific platform. 

Whales are not like the government. We fund the government. The whales funded themselves. They started this platform and are the only reason we can even make any money from it. I don't really have a problem with their power. I haven't put the time or money or faith into Steem as they have, I doubt many have, so it's hard for me to come down on a group of people that created a platform that people can use for *free*, literally just write on, and make money from, just because sometimes they make more money than they should. 


https://steemit.com/@dineroconopcion

He made $1200 off a post bitching about @grumpycat, I wouldn't worry too much about him. And he is not a newb, so it's not like people are calling him out without him knowing the rules. He knows exactly what he is doing. 

You are free to post YouTube links. I specifically said that no one *has* to use dtube. But if you are going to post a youtube link, there should be some explanation of what you're posting. Otherwise, yes, it's considered link dumping, and it's not cool. The whole point of Steemit is for people to invest in Steem and start using blockchain. Therefore it makes little sense to post your actual content on another site, and then just post the link here. If (and when) blockchain replaces regular websites, all the data you have on other websites won't be secure, and you might lose it. Why not just put it on the blockchain to begin with? Dtube is literally the blockchain equivalent of Youtube. It takes a while to upload, yes. I upload a new video every night and it takes like an hour, but to me it's worth it because I know it's safe. 

I think it's great that lots more people are coming to Steemit, but if they aren't here to partake in the community, and only to drop their work, take their earnings and leave, how will this platform ever grow?I don't want this to be a quick buck, I want this to be a new way of life. I want people to see that they can interact and comment, and write like they do on Facebook (albeit more philosophically and intelligently) and make money doing it. That their time is worth something. Between that and Steemit's pairing with Datawallet, the future is changing, but people have to be in it for the long haul.
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@pandasquad ·
Thanks for the link, I thought his account disappeared or something lol. Then I thought it must be those whales! True, whales did fund themselves but without new users investing they would be holding worthless tokens, so they rely on new users to invest in the platform, just as any other user does. 

I understand your point and thanks for clarifying. I guess we have just different opinions about cross platform content. I always think youtube will always be number 1 for several reasons so I will always hold that opinion. 

I guess the main take away is add something extra to steemit. As in added explanation or even interaction. The youtuber I came for replies to steemit comments much more than youtube and with much more detailed responses. Link dumping looks unprofessional and crud anyway so I am surprised he is making money from it but I think it is mainly is from bots. As for the bitching post I guess a lot of people just agreed with him.
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@pawsdog ·
$0.77
Hell the Cannon Camera was top quality work considering some of the other posts by @amanat1993 

Here is another upvoted shit post winner by the same guy.

![2.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQma3iKcLznmSWr1TqRH77KHr4yNrF2DXqtWz8FEALQFZkK/2.png)

This one really touches the soul.. makes me introspective about life and forces me to wonder "what really does happen when the shit hits the fan?"...
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@bethwheatcraft ·
I can't believe that's real. I have spent the last 30  seconds just shaking my head and laughing. Dafuq kind of fan is that anyway? Christ, It's not even a good picture of a fan. Is that even a fan? Wow. It reminds me of like People of Walmart or Pinterest Fails. I honestly think you could make a good amount of money on here just from your shit post compilations! Seriously. I hope you can get that tag trending damnit. I will help you get that tag trending. It has to happen now, bahaha.
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@pawsdog ·
Yeah its a real post for sure... https://steemit.com/photography/@amanat1993/fan-image and I agree, its not even a good picture of a fan..
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@r351574nc3 · (edited)
Awwww...you like that one? What about this one? https://steemit.com/sportsphotography/@r351574nc3/tucson-soccerfest-sunset

I spent hours in the AZ heat and sun waiting for that sunset. Grumpycat downvoted me to $5. Essentially, telling me my time was worth $5. Thanks @grumpycat.

I don't know what there is to agree with @grumpycat on. @grumpycat doesn't even agree with @grumpycat. @grumpycat abuses self-voting. @grumpycat has also bid on 6th day voting bots in the past 11 days.

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmafz6Ys9yMyT2o5MqH1KTA8y77fU7RCu8HWHncUTB7U3c/image.png)

@grumpycat doesn't have any good points. Voting bots don't hurt the reward pool. They're a supplemental feature for a broken promotion system. People are responsible for abusing the reward pool **AAAAAAND** they'd do it with or without the voting bots. You get rid of the voting bots and you still have people trying to abuse it one way or another. One really good example are self-voter (Oh? Like @grumpycat?)

Ok. Last point. Downvoting is a feature that was intended for the community to regulate/correct payout rewards for posts. It's not intended to punish people. It's intended for users to adjust the payout to what **they** believe is fair. So if you think a post doesn't deserve to be $1, you can downvote to make it appropriate to what you think is fair. That **IS** the way it's supposed to work. 

@grumpycat downvotes indiscriminate of the content **WHICH IS COMPLETE ABUSE OF THE DOWNVOTE FEATURE**

IMHO, downvotes are intended to be used responsibly by responsible adults (NOT @grumpycat).

There. I've said my piece.
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@gregory-f ·
I think you guys are missing the beauty of this post. The caption "Fun image" really says everything about the picture. It truly is a "fun image". I will have sooooo much fun flagging this shit post. I only regret I can't do it twice.
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@metzli ·
Aww, 🐾 paws. That post was kind of funny πŸ’ƒπŸ½πŸ’ƒπŸ½
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@pawsdog ·
thanks.. i try
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@thedeceiver ·
$0.02
It seems pretty clear most of the upset people are those who have become dependent on vote-bots to farm income with low effort posts.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Well and those that just plumb hate @grumpycat. I don't really have an opinion on the whales because I am too new here to know what each of them had to go through to get where they are. I don't really care to throw myself in the middle of the whale wars, but I am more than happy to call out a shit post, especially when it makes $1,000 for posting a YouTube link. Crazy.
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@pawsdog ·
Yeah that is pretty ridiculous and dumb as well that a video link can bank like that..
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@thesimpson ·
$0.24
The thing is, half of grumpycats posts are shit too, kettle calling the pot
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@bethwheatcraft ·
Touche, however he also has the clout on Steemit to call out the problems that he sees, and this has become a huge problem. I try to ignore the bad as much as possible and charge forth into fixing the mess. Hypocrisy is totally rampant here!
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@troglodactyl ·
Unfortunately issues with the current protocol is contributing to this problem, and most of the large stakeholders seem either not to understand the problem or not to consider it a priority.  The Steem community has a lot of potential, and there are a lot of us still fighting for its future, but there's a real possibility that its greatest value will be as an experiment to inform future projects.

I think we need a non-linear rewards curve back and curation rewards for downvoting as well as for upvoting to start with.
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@bethwheatcraft ·
$1.51
Perhaps Steemit will be a giant experiment but I'm not sure about that, just because Steem itself is what is powering this website, and I think Steem is going to continue to power along nicely. d.tube is doing well with its upgrades, and it won't be long before new Steem-powered sites start cropping up. Steemit will always be the original and I don't think it's going anywhere.

That being said, I absolutely agree with curation rewards for downvoting. This site's content is highly incentivized by rewards, so I think more people would downvote if you got credit for downvoting! I do wish the devs would listen more, although most of them are really receptive and are doing their best to navigate through everything. We are still in Beta after all.
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@troglodactyl ·
I'm not talking about problems with the Steemit website, I'm talking about the economic flaws in the underlying Steem protocol.  Problems with the Steemit website can be addressed by competition from busy.org, Steepshot, eSteem, d.tube, and all the other interfaces.  Problems with the underlying protocol could take them all down.  If the incentive structure is broken such that spammers are constantly attracted and can't be dealt with, the whole community will eventually be overrun, good content will be buried, investment and growth will cease, and eventually productive users will turn to other platforms.  This needs to be taken seriously, and I see no indication that the largest stakeholders (affiliated with Steemit) are giving it the attention it deserves.
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