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Two small yet mighty information that can be powered by Hivemind - followers' SP / rep & rep_log10
#### Repository
- https://github.com/steemit/steem
- https://github.com/steemit/hivemind

#### Components

Account information
- followers' total MVESTS/SP 
- raw reputation / rep_log10


Note: this is a technical idea, i.e., the information is already provided a different (inefficient and unstable) way. I believe this technical change is important for stability and extensibility, as Hivemind is important although it's serving the information that was provided by others. 

#### Proposal Description
https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZvBkuJePehh9pphd9JyH1VjvyoKv5Hjswd7o7JnwgRHF/Hivemind%20Live.jpg

##### Follower's MVESTS/SP powered by Hivemind

**Nobody wants no voting from Busy :)**


Many Steemians are using Busy probably due to the voting from @busy.pay. The percentage of voting is determined by the sum of followers' MVESTS/SP, roughly 1 million SP ~= 1%.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSXmwrPnPgpVETkE7u6xNcsCebr7N9YCxisgBxXwRnecX/Screen%20Shot%202019-01-27%20at%2010.10.18%20PM.png)
> busy-bot is using steemdb.com for vote weight. https://github.com/busyorg/busy-bot/blob/master/src/upvoter/index.js#L16-L18

Obviously, this information cannot be calculated instantly (think about @ned who has so many followers), so Busy relies on https://steemdb.com which basically logs the snapshot of account information including the followers' mvests from time to time.

However, steemdb.com is operated by @jesta (many thanks for managing steemdb), i.e., an individual witness. Considering the jesta's recent [post](https://steemit.com/steem/@jesta/the-recent-controversy-between-steemit-inc-and-the-community-the-premine-control-and-where-it-leads-this-blockchain), the stability of steemdb.com may be uncertain in the future. It was **down for more than one day yesterday**, and was down from time to time in the past. **Actually, it's currently down again after  short resurrection :( And that's why I'm writing this suggestion!**

Most of Busy's SP is delegated from STINC (@misterdelegation), so busy voting isn't just a Busy's problem but an important part of the Steemit life.

**Reward your influence**

The reason why Busy chose follower's SP as the criteria is to reward **influence**: [Introducing @busy.org, the bot that rewards your influence](https://steemit.com/busy/@busy.org/introducing-busy-org-the-bot-that-rewards-your-influence)

While there is no single perfect measure of influence, follower's SP seems a quite decent one. At least it should be used as a factor for any other measure of influence, e.g., [The implication of reputation score has been somewhat reduced. How about combining new indicators?](https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@lostmine27/the-implications-of-reputation-indicators-have-faded-how-about-combining-the-new-indicators-1547129297601)

**Thus, the follower's SP should be provided more officially** than by individual witness.

Previously, providing the follower's SP was quite costly. However, now we have Hivemind! which is a usual DB not a blockchain. That is, **Hivemind is very fast, efficient, and cost-effective.**

That's why Hivemind is now providing much **information that need not be absolutely exact (or real-time)**. And follower's SP is such information. It need not be absolutely exact and some delay is fine.

In fact, the steemdb.com's update isn't frequent, and its updating algorithm seems to have a bug, i.e., it sometimes keeps restarting form the account starting with 'a', i.e., alphabetically. 

Now let me explain the second part of the proposal.

##### Reputation and rep_log10 powered by Hivemind
While what users normally see as reputation is some number like 65.5, internally it's a huge number like 31423161386996. All API calls actually return this raw reputation. Let rep_log10 denote the normalized rep like 65.5.

However, the current implementation of Hivemind actually only stores rep_log10.

![](https://files.steempeak.com/file/steempeak/blockchainstudio/TyA1BuEz-Screen20Shot202019-01-2720at2010.21.1520PM.png)
> https://github.com/steemit/hivemind/blob/f7a467921678d928a0d94928c811442b8ab80bce/hive/db/schema.py#L40

While it's good for Hivemind to calculate rep_log10 on behalf of clients, but ironically, all existing clients expect raw repuation, so Hivemind actually re-convert rep_log10 to raw reputation **where some precision is lost, which leads to reputation inconsistency bug**, e.g., https://github.com/steemit/steem/issues/3241

#### Mockups / Examples
- `get_followers_mvest(account)` or `get_followers_sp(account)`
As the name suggests, the API provides either the sum of followers' MVESTS or SP of the given account.
- `account.reputation` and `account.rep_log10`
Account information should provide both raw reputation and human readable, normalized reputation. Then clients can choose which one they use depending on purposes.

#### Benefits
- Fast, cost-effective information update
Hivemind isn't a blockchain, so the information desired can be very effectively updated.

- Busy voting stability
Again, busy voting is more than unofficial. If it's down for a while, user experience hurts. If follower's SP information can be provided more officially, the stability can be improved dramatically.

- Extensibility for "better" reputation score.
Current reputation, @steem-ua score, there can be many kinds of reputation scores that have pros and cons. But follower's SP must be a meaningful factor. To design a better reputation score, clients should be able to use it without too much cost and instability.

- Reduce client's burden
If both raw reputation and rep_log10 are provided, clients can choose among them depending on the purpose without additional calculation cost.


#### GitHub Account
https://github.com/economicstudio
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@blockchainstudio · (edited)
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In Korean: steemdbκ°€ μž μ‹œ 2μ‹œκ°„ 정도 살아났닀가 λ‹€μ‹œ μ£½μ—ˆκ΅°μš”. 사싀상 busy의 λͺ¨λ“  슀파λ₯Ό μŠ€νŒ€μž‡μ—μ„œ μž„λŒ€ν•΄μ€€ κ²ƒμ΄λ‚˜ λ‹€λ₯Όλ°” μ—†μ„μ •λ„λ‘œ μ€‘μš”ν•œ busyλ³΄νŒ…μ„ μ¦μΈν•œλͺ…에 μ œκ³΅ν•˜λŠ” μ„œλΉ„μŠ€μ— μ˜μ‘΄ν•˜λŠ” ν˜„ κ΅¬μ‘°λŠ” μ•„λ‹Œ 것 κ°™μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ³Όκ±°μ—λŠ” 이것이 ν•΄κ²°ν•˜κΈ° μ–΄λ €μ› λ‹€λ©΄ ν˜„μž¬λŠ” 블둝체인이 μ•„λ‹Œ μΌλ°˜λ°μ΄ν„°λ² μ΄μŠ€μΈ Hivemindλ₯Ό 톡해 이 μž‘μ—…μ„ 맀우 효율적으둜 ν•  수 μžˆλ‹€λŠ” μ œμ•ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.

또 ν•˜λŠ”κΉ€μ— λͺ…성도 정보가 ν˜„μž¬ hivemindμ—μ„œ μ–΄μ΄μ—†κ²Œ μ •λˆλœ κ°’(즉 65같은)만 μ œκ³΅ν•˜λŠ”λ° μ‹€μ œ μ΄μ „μ—λŠ” μ—„μ²­ 큰 숫자의 raw reputationκ°’λ§Œ μ œκ³΅λ˜λ‹€λ³΄λ‹ˆ 각 ν΄λΌμ΄μ–ΈνŠΈλ“€μ΄ μ•Œμ•„μ„œ λ³€ν™”ν•΄μ„œ μ“°κ³€ ν–ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹€λ³΄λ‹ˆ ν•˜μœ„ν˜Έν™˜μ„±μ„ μœ„ν•΄ λ‹€μ‹œ raw reputation을 μž¬κ³„μ‚°ν•΄μ„œ λ„˜κ²¨μ£ΌλŠ” μ‚½μ§ˆμ„ ν•˜κ³  μžˆλ”κ΅°μš”. 이 μ—­μ‹œ hivemindλ₯Ό μ΄μš©ν•΄ λ‘˜λ‹€ μ œκ³΅ν•˜κ³  μ‚¬μš©μžκ°€ μ•Œμ•„μ„œ μ„ νƒν•˜κ²Œλ” ν•˜μžλŠ” μ œμ•ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.

ps. staff pick에 λ“€μ–΄ λ³΄λ„ˆμŠ€ λ³΄νŒ…μ„ λ°›μ•˜μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€ :)
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@bukio ·
짱짱맨 ν˜ΈμΆœμ— μ‘λ‹΅ν•˜μ—¬ λ³΄νŒ…ν•˜μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€. 
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@emrebeyler ·
Great write-up. I agree that the reputation should be stored raw instead of the normalized value. That way it also loses precision (db stores 2 decimal points if I recall it correct.(.
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@blockchainstudio ·
Thanks a lot for your comment. Yes, it should be stored as raw unless both are stored. Moreover, using the same field name `reputation` can be quite confusing. As far as I know, it's used only internally now in Hivemind, so this should be fixed before it's too late.

By the way, the current precision is actually 6 https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://files.steempeak.com/file/steempeak/blockchainstudio/TyA1BuEz-Screen20Shot202019-01-2720at2010.21.1520PM.png
but it still loses the precision due to the conversion. You can actually see that inconsistency on Busy (user info vs feed/blog).
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@knowledges ·
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Hello, @blockchainstudio. This is another wonderful idea contribution and I am going to staff pick it. Well done!
I appreciate the effort you put into explaining the technical aspect and the point of benefits which you have provided. This is indeed a well thought-out idea contribution. One thing I would like to suggest is that you should consider creating an issue on the GitHub repository for your idea contribution. If you already created one, you could as well reference it on your utopian post. It may sound trivial but this would allow the PO or one of the project maintainers keep track of the issue easily. 


Your contribution has been evaluated according to [Utopian policies and guidelines](https://join.utopian.io/guidelines), as well as a predefined set of questions pertaining to the category.

To view those questions and the relevant answers related to your post, [click here](https://review.utopian.io/result/7/2-1-2-1-1-1-1-2-).

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@blockchainstudio · (edited)
Hi @knowledges, thanks a lot for picking mine!! I really appreciate that. Unfortunately, steemdb is still down :( and that's why this proposal is important. Of course, I'll post this on the github too. Thanks again!

ps. I've just posted this suggestion on Hivemind github: https://github.com/steemit/hivemind/issues/185 Thanks again!
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@utopian-io ·
Thank you for your review, @knowledges! Keep up the good work!
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@steemitboard ·
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@utopian-io ·
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