I'm kinda leaning towards yes but not fully on this. I want to hear what more people think.

What if we hold off on this right now and wait and see what land does to rental prices, CL & old card values?

Grain LP's are coming out soon. I believe that will start moving the needle on CL and old card prices. It will be slow at first but each land release will have an effect on these.

I like this. I really, really like this!
The more I think about it, the more I like it- TBH.

Given that most current 'bot' accounts have 10's (if not 100's) of thousands of CP in Soulbound cards (both Reward and Gladiator)- this change would have little to no effect on any of the 'Legacy' bot accounts. OTOH- this would serve as a *very* effective deterrent for any new players trying to play in Wild.

In effect, this policy would serve the same purpose as all of the Bronze bots in Modern- dissuade new players from getting involved in the game.

There's a lot of other reasons why I think this would be the best policy to be implemented in SPL since getting rid of daily quests in favor of 'Focuses'- discouraging Wild players from renting cards, discouraging Wild players from renting SPS, less DEC being 🔥 through renting, etc.

I will be 100% be voting for this with all the SPS I don't unstake to sell before this policy goes into force.

Honestly, and although I see some merit in this proposal, I'll be voting against anything that doesn't solve the bot problem for good, which is an outright ban. We're trying to reinvent the wheel over and over again and jumping hoops after hoops because of the same thing, and it's tiring: EVERYTHING that affects bots, will affect players and likely at a higher degree.

i mean the proposal was accepted back then even with stronger restrictions than now, and the state of how the bot farms are bleeding the system dry is even worse now than it was then. just from the circumstances alone, the logical conclusion for me would be that it's even more important now than it was then. but apparently not everyone sees it that way, i'm very sorry about that. 
i honestly didn't want to have to convince the people again who were already convinced back then in an even worse situation. 

i'm sorry to everyone who has been eagerly awaiting the implementation. but i don't have the strength to go through this again. i think i've answered the most important things. the rest is in your hands now!   
i wish you all the best and that you manage to solve the problems. 

I like this proposal and have also suggested it multiple times, rentals should count though, it makes no real sense to exclude them.

Sorry guys but we are making this game such a complicated system you need a full time accountant to understand it. Instead of going that route we should do our very best and spend our energy towards simplifying the game, make it rewarding again for small players in order to grow our base and stop this whack-a-mole energy wasting bot nonsense. 

Bronko, can you please clarify the number of days for the cooldown?

***Once an account plays a match in the Wild format, all cards eligible for CP requirement receive a cooldown. This cooldown is applied as if the account had actually played those cards, even if it did not.***

My main issue with this proposal is whether or not this would cost too much to make the CP calculations.  If the team says its not significant relative to their overall cost structure, then that should be included too (if you want more votes).

On the rental topic, I can see that some people would have a problem with the concept.  I haven't really formulated my own opinion yet.

And again a proposal that hits everyone, even normal players, keep going with this and let the game die already, past years and changes teach nothing? SPS is sinking, game has less and less new players, just ban the bots and end of story 

I like this proposal. Card owners should always be rewarded more than renters since it us that are actually invested in the game. 

nope - this will kill the game (more). Cant keep stabbing it and hoping things will work.

In rewards they eliminated the credits and it hurt everyone, they eliminated the envelopes and they lowered the price, they eliminated the salable cards and they all lowered the price, they eliminated the SPS from the chests and lowered the price. All with the justification that they are antibot measures but that in the end they harm the entire ecosystem. Now it is intended to implement a system where the CP of rental or soulbound cards does not count towards obtaining rewards from battles. Could it be that they don't realize that every time they implement an antibot measure it harms the entire system??? This would be the end of Splinterlands.

I will not vote for anything that nerfs rentals.  It's too shortsighted. Since the goal here is to target bot farm accounts that only play SB cards, why not simply remove rewards for SB cards?  The SB conundrum was a team creation unfortunately... in the past reward card sets were MUCH more limited in scope.  Meaning you could not possibly win playing only reward cards. There were too few and only a few from each splinter.  The SB reward set was TOO BIG and also unfortunately included summoners, allowing bot farm accounts to rent for a short time and then play using SB cards exclusively.  
Yes rentals are cheap right now because of both overprinting and fewer accounts playing, but RB rentals are much higher than other editions due to scarcity (which is due to excessive cost imo but that's another conversation).  
The narrative has also shifted from 'new players should play modern so they don't have to face older expensive/powerful cards' to 'new players should play wild because there are lots of low level bots that are easy to beat'.  
New players will NEED To be able to rent cards and earn otherwise they will never buy.  Modern is basically hell for new players right now and I believe SB and Glad cards will unfortunately only perpetuate/maintain that scenario.  Nerfing rewards for rentals goes against core principals of the game.  

That didn't work very well and did more harm than good LAST TIME it was tried. What makes anyone think it would be any different this time?

Voting against this again. I like most of it but I don't want any precedent set that says renting isn't as good as buying. When this game functions properly (I get that its not right now), it costs so much money to come in and compete. The saving grace for someone just coming in is that rentals give you the same advantages as owning. I don't want to screw with that at all. 

I'll probably vote yes.  There are SO many accounts with nothing but soulbound and reward only cards in Wild, it's crazy.  This game needs to reward true card owners more.

The proposal you have right now might not pass because of the rentals not counting for CP part.  Maybe you should include rentals to count for CP in this proposal and then create a second proposal afterward to have rentals not count for CP.  Yeah, it's two proposals instead of one, but having a proposal that fails means people who put money into this game buying cards instead of just using soulbound and reward cards are back to square one.

Sometimes I think about how these proposals can be beneficial for the game, wild has already been changed and a bot released only in it, and the rewards are already reduced, with proposals like this, it seems like they want the extinction of the wild and "force" modern play.

The game currently has 20k active players, with an average of 310k battles in the last month, but only 20k were in modern.

In my opinion, the focus of the proposals should be to increase the player base and with this proposal "excluding" the rent to take CP and rewards into account, since modern already pays 50% more glint, it would be a hammer blow. mass reduction in players, the majority do not have or do not want to buy cards and prefer to rent.

I am against this mostly because renting should quite equate to owning when it comes to playing. Otherwise you are left with a solution that benefits only card owners and only in a very short time, and damages everybody eventually. 

I appreciate the effort put into drafting this new proposal. It’s clear that a lot of thought has gone into aligning it with the new ranking system and recent changes within Splinterlands.

However, it's worth noting that the Splinterlands team has expressed reservations about the long-term viability of using the CP metric as a central gameplay mechanic. They've indicated that this approach might gradually be phased out. Given this perspective, it’s important for us to consider how sustainable the proposed CP requirements would be in the evolving landscape of the game.

While I don't have much experience with bot farms and therefore won’t be voting on this proposal, I wanted to share this information to ensure the community is making an informed decision.

would like to see this at least go to the main vote. so gunna vote yes for now

A worthy proposal if only that it would give greater reward for card ownership over renting and more so for gold froil ownership.
prediction if this proposal would gain traction.
- reduction in the number of active accounts
- reduction in rental cost
- card prices sink
- SPS finds new bottom
None of these ramifications have prevented changes in the past so most likely this proposal will get some support. 

While I see your aim I believe this will have more negative effects for the ecosystem than positive.

The biggest few I can think off:
- Devalues non modern sets even more after past proposals also devaluing them due to rentals being targeted
- Will cost a lot in limited Splinterlands resources to implement and monitor
- Tells people investing any area of the game can be targeted by the DAO for reward reduction (Rentals, LP rewards, Ranked). This is not the signal potential, or current, investors look for
- Sets a precedent players who rent are not seen as an important part of the ecosystem
- Implements a historic system previously deemed to deter new players

Every proposal to decrease effectiveness of bots and increase real-player activities are an instant upvote for me.

I hope this proposal gets through, but tbh, I dont have high hopes. The proposal system is still broken as whales can decide whatever they want. You should start implement that only KYC accounts can vote. Further, each vote should have 1 vote power instead of the power of SPS staked. THEN you would have a real voting system.

Until then, votes are dictated by whales - and in most cases they vote in a way positively for them and not in a way that would help the game grow.
Kind of short minded - as a growing game would mean more earnings. But hey, thats hard to understand for some people...

Oh yay....... more "bot farm" wack-a-mole. 

This is ALMOST a yes for me. Rentals need to be included somehow in being able to earn from playing, otherwise there's no point in renting & will hurt rental market as it'll become a total loss for renters. I'd be on board with rentals earning less than owned cards as a form of balance & bringing more value to ownership. Note: I do not rent whatsoever, I just understand the rental economy is very important to this ecosystem.

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