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· @buggedout · (edited)
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@joshman ·
![3pduxf.jpg](https://files.steempeak.com/file/steempeak/joshman/KPUOWTcN-3pduxf.jpg)
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@buggedout ·
Yes.  Very amusing.  I'd give you more kudos though if I hadn't already seen it in another thread :)
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@joshman ·
I can't just assume everyone has seen my shitposting, now can I?
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@markkujantunen ·
The problem with this is that because Tron is so centralized, this setup is one Tron hard fork away from fucking everyone on Steem-Tron over.
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@buggedout ·
If that ever became a problem couldn't we just fork TRON ourselves?
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@markkujantunen · (edited)
The problem with forking chains is that while you may get a functioning chain, access to centralized exchanges remains a choking point. Without access to exchanges, there is no liquidity and thus no value. Tron is probably more expensive to run than Steem. It has a virtual machine and a lot of the apps run on it execute code (smart contracts) on chain, which is expensive. Without money coming in from exchanges, the super representatives of our chain would have to subsidize running their nodes themselves.
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@pharesim · (edited)
Well, as I tried to explain before you told me that I waste my time with it: It's technically not feasible to implement the functionality of steem on TRON. If you want to know the details, inform yourself about the protocols and the code, I see you are a developer too.

Witnesses are not against this because they fear about their position. Their job is to protect the integrity of the chain. Switching to a protocol that's 5x slower and even by their own maximum claims (which are doubted to be true by researchers) 5-50x less scalable is endangering the biggest asset we have besides the community, the technical base to run something like this.
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@buggedout ·
I did not tell you that you were wasting your time.  You've mis-interpreted my comment.  I was lamenting that I was wasting my OWN time - more broadly speaking - by seeking some kind of pragmatic compromise that might work for both TRON and STEEM.  I should probably nuke this post as even though I do have a dev background and have scanned some of the source, I'm not a blockchain engineer at this point.  Sun seems to think he can migrate STEEM / Steemit to TRON and he has enough resources behind him to get it done.  Whether that means a core upgrade to TRON or it can be done just via Smart Contracts is probably just semantics.

But sure.  Point taken.  If this exchange is indicative of how it's going to play out then the writing on the wall and I'm done here.  Thanks for dropping by, you can fuck off now.
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@pharesim · (edited)
Ignoring every single point I make, telling me I would be tribal when I'm just realistic, and telling me you'd waste your time with my efforts to explain things I understand a lot more about than you made me feel like telling you to fuck off first too. I decided to keep giving you hints to understand, I believe in the ability of people to change their opinions when they learn new facts.

Tron is Java. It's not possible to update it to resemble the performance of steem, which is based on graphene written in C++ and highly optimized for tps. 
If anything, the functionality of TRON could easily be added to steem. The other way around would require reinventing the wheel (= building a new TRON from ground up).

There you go, if you don't get it now I'll leave you alone with your fanboydom.
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@valued-customer · (edited)
Well, that's well thought out and looks like a highly functional direction to take things, but I do prefer Steem retains it's token and blockchain independently of Tron.  There's some question as to whether the CCP may end up calling shots on Tron, which concerns me regarding Opera and BT already.

Steem has been a pretty good media platform if you're interested in censorship resistance, and that is my primary interest.

Thanks!
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@buggedout ·
I would prefer that too, but the potential benefits from a synergistic relationship with TRON are pretty massive.  We would always have the option to fork TRON ourselves if CCP became a problem.
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@valued-customer ·
'What profit is it to a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul?'

I see potential benefits.  I'm unwilling to trade censorship resistance for them.  I see free speech as an existential necessity, not a luxury, and I don't think it's ever easy to fork anything, much less contrary to the will of overlords. 

I have proposed that we make it obvious that Steem is more valuable to Tron without becoming an organ of it.  I think that is the best of all possible worlds for all concerned.

I reckon we should focus on making that happen.
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@markkujantunen ·
Agreed.
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@whatamidoing ·
huh?  you are leaving?  :-(
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