 Weren't we told all our school years that in the past (meaning uneducated / stupid) people believed the earth was flat? And that we are smarter, because we know the earth is round. (BTW, round is a 2D shape, it is also flat) Today we have a large group of "Flat Earthers" on the internets, and seemingly this attracts a large group of "Ball Earthers" to fight them in every comments section. And the problem is, one side or the other is not stupid, there just isn't enough information to make a choice. "But what about the pictures of Earth from space?!!!!!" Well, they are all faked or photoshopped. We truly have no idea about where we live. What does our planet look like? Is it even a planet? Nikola Tesla call Earth a Realm. And he probably had a lot of good reasons to state it as such. How can we be in this position, where we seem to know so much, but when you question it, because there is a lot of things to question, you find it all falls apart? <center><img alt="- - - - - - - " src="https://images.hive.blog/DQmXew34of9kAYtbc4N3afKqGa9a2aNZZEurE9uKgYLgisP/HorizontalRule2.png"></center> ## Two stories, both of which need faith to believe If you believe in the Ball Earth or the Flat Earth (there are other shapes Earth can be) you have to do so without facts. It is solely in the realm of belief. There seems to be no test that we can do inside Earth that proves its shape. Lasers show that no curve can be detected. But, light might follow the surface of the earth. The Earth's 3D dimensions, could be wrapped up in a higher dimension. So, the fact that we can see MUCH further "over the horizon" is not really any proof. Well, it is proof that we really don't know the shape of the earth. If we cannot detect a curve, and we know that the images of earth are faked, then where does that leave us? It leaves us in a state of not-knowing. We don't have enough knowledge to solve this. Which means that both stories, are just that, stories, and both are just beliefs. <center><img alt="- - - - - - - " src="https://images.hive.blog/DQmXew34of9kAYtbc4N3afKqGa9a2aNZZEurE9uKgYLgisP/HorizontalRule2.png"></center> ## Why would NASA lie? NASA means to deceive. NASA was started by THE dark occultist. Everyone accepts that he was at the top of dark occultism. You can just read his books to understand what kind of person he was. (to occult means to hide) The overarching scheme of Modern Materialistic Science is prove, or to hide, that God exists. Every step they take is in such a path to show that everything is random. It is all just by chance. No where can this be seen more clearly than the notion of Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design makes a lot of sense, when you look at the many, many complexities that we can see that make up our reality. However, our Modern Materialistic Science will not even discuss Intelligent Design. Even an atheist is not so firmly set against this. If a person truly didn't believe in a God, or any god, they could still entertain that there is some force guiding things to happen in a certain way. But, the Hierophants of Modern Science are so dead set against it, that there is probably a reason for it. A good explanation is that they are worshippers of Satan (as you can find if you look into early NASA and JPL). And, if you worship Satan, then you are against God. And you will do all you can to occult his existence (just an explanation of what seems to be happening. There may be other explanations. And we may never know.) <center><img alt="- - - - - - - " src="https://images.hive.blog/DQmXew34of9kAYtbc4N3afKqGa9a2aNZZEurE9uKgYLgisP/HorizontalRule2.png"></center> ## What about other theories/ancient stories? So many ancient stories talk about a world on the other side of ours. That you climbed down a ladder, through a hole in the earth, and after several days of climbing, you had to turn over and climb up. And there was others beings when you popped out of the other side of the hole. We often refer to this as the hollow earth theory. But, it could as easily be that we live on a flat, circular earth about 10 miles thick. The deepest hole we ever drilled is just over 8 miles down. And they stopped because, at that distance, they found liquid water (not expected at the pressures and heat "science" predicted at those depths.) and mud that kept filling in the hole as the drilled. It very easily could be that they were drilling up and out the other side of the earth. The Bible, and many other ancient text describe the earth as flat, or bowl shaped.  Many ancient stories talk about Earth carried on the backs of elephants, on top of a turtle. Wouldn't it be wild if we found that that was actually a good, but amusing, way of looking at what is really there? Or maybe they are just energy structures, and this is the way we have (mis) interpreted what was written long ago. <center><img alt="- - - - - - - " src="https://images.hive.blog/DQmXew34of9kAYtbc4N3afKqGa9a2aNZZEurE9uKgYLgisP/HorizontalRule2.png"></center> Anyway, i suggest that everyone clear their minds. Because what i have seen from NASA and other three letter organizations is that they have a narrative, and a counter-narrative. Anyone who thinks that they have escaped, finds themselves trapped in the same web of lies. And so, the truth is most likely, a third option. This could include things like being inside a toroid with the Earth a flat disc in the center. This toroid could be forming the firmament that keeps us in. (as a dimension, and not a physical object) And one that i alluded to earlier, could be that we are a ball, but the Earth is pasted on the inside of it. Rolled up in some higher dimension. There is other weird possibilities that we are on a ball earth, but it is twice the size we have been told. That Antarctica is a ring that goes around the equator, separating north from south. There are lots of stories that there is lands south of Antarctica. However, i really don't know. And neither does anyone else. So, keep an open mind. We are about to see a lot more alien flying saucers. And then, we will start having contact, and if we insist that our globes are a representation of where we live, we will be very confused by what they tell us. (I doubt that they will laugh at us, because they probably had stupid "science" ideas in their past too) But, it will make communication harder than it has to be. The other thing i can say is that the amount of disproof of the ball earth (as modern science describes it) is legion. The amount of lies NASA has told takes books to transcribe. And there is really no proof that tells us what shape the Earth is. In fact, this may have been part of the plan for how earth was created/constructed/designed. Just like there is no proof for God, there is no proof for the shape of Earth, from the inside. <center><img alt="- - - - - - - " src="https://images.hive.blog/DQmXew34of9kAYtbc4N3afKqGa9a2aNZZEurE9uKgYLgisP/HorizontalRule2.png"></center> <center><em>All images in this post are my own original creations.</em></center>
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The whole idea of a pancake planet was conceived of at NASA when the web first started to blossom and People began looking into the "moon landings" and started to ask questions, given it's clear that what We saw was fakery. They wanted a "reason" to pull People off the looking for why the faked stuff. They had the Pentagon implement the idea, and They pushed Dubay out there with the help of YouToilet "recommending" Dubay all over. To be sure, the pancake planet idea would never have been a thing without that effort. So why did NASA fake things? Well, I don't know for sure, but it could be They were hiding a secret space program, or maybe Michael Tsarion is correct. According to Tsarion, there were some "Bad Guys" (BG) being chased across Our galaxy by some "Good Guys" (GG). The BG arrived in Our solar system, set up a decoy on Tiamat (the planet between Mars and Jupiter), then came to Earth and hunkered down. The GG arrived, saw the decoy, checked for native sapient life, found none, and blew the planet up (explaining the asteroid belt). They were suspicious, though, and checked the other planets, somehow determining that the BG were here. And They found plenty of sapient life native to the planet. So... They put a barrier up around the globe above low earth orbit that We can't get through. They moved the moon into place to be a "guard tower" (explaining the many stories around the globe of a time when there was no moon, and the claims "the gods" put it there). Also explaining "The Watchers." We can't get through that barrier and live...and They don't want Us to know. I will give the globe a probability approaching 100%. And I have an article on eight points I have been seeking explanations for in terms of the pancake planet ever since Dubay hit the scene. So far, in many years, zero People have offered anything. **Flat Earth Reasoning** (article): https://peakd.com/informationwar/@amaterasusolar/flat-earth-reasoning
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With Tsarion, and many others like him, there is no simple explanation that works. It looks like the earth was seeded, meaning a group obliterated the upper life, and started their own. And then came others (like the Elohim) who messed further, and used humans as slaves to gather gold, or something. And then the wars of Atlantisโฆ and the floods and/or mud floods. Lots of stories of the moon being rolled across the sky to be here. I believe the barrier is either energetic, meaning we have to comprehend frequency to pass, or is a dimension. (like, you cannot go east enough to be east, you have to work in other dimensions to get out of east-west.) But, why does NASA fake space? Could it be so people don't get the idea of building a tower to heaven? (or the firmament?) Whatever the reason, they keep it up.
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Well, I give the standard model highest probability, but I don't rule out anything. If I get evidence that suggest otherwise, I will adjust My probabilities. But yes, the history of Our planet is long and convoluted.
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For me, only one thing is sure: We can't leave Earth. (If we could, with the technology imporvements in the last 100 years, we already would be all around Moon, Mars - just how previously, when Europeans could leave continent, they asap settled in America. Part of human nature! Especially nowadays, when they talk about overpopulation, not enough resurces etc. But at least, that would be no1 thing, colonize Moon and Mars, but they basically stuck where they were 70-80 years ago... that's just impossible, they don't want to do it, if they can, knowing the 'leader' psychos.) At least, not in the way, how they show us. The so called space is inside the upper 'borders' of Earth. All 'satellites', space balloons fall back to Earth without burning, the Moon landing, spacestation craps are all faked. (and it is not just NASA, all the other countries' space agency do the same) Amateur space balloons show that, too. What are as good as the NASA's ones. (That's interesting question where the money really goes, because this CGI operation cost much less.) Maybe in the direction of Arctic/Antarctica possible to leave - as the direction what they protect very well from humans. (or they just really hide there more lands) And the hole threaty was made during the cold war, what makes it even more suspicious.
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Well, whatever it is that We are in, I think time is best spent working towards solving for the moneyed psychopaths in control on Our planet, don't You? I mean, irrespective of shape, We have that problem!
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Pretty obvious, the ball earth theory is fakery in the form they serve us. Even plenty of the creators of that tale admit that outside mainstream. The proof for something is definetly on the Arctic/Antarctica, that's why nobody can freely go there. They are even mocking with that, by naming the world's no1 company Black Rock, what is mapped as the center of the 4 islands, the center of earth in the old maps. And they stole the name from that. Anyway, nowadays interesting to see the Greenland situation. Meantime they transferred one of the busiest military, airbase in Greenland to NASA just few years ago, and even renamed it, as the name itself was too obvious. [Thule Airbase - Pituffik Space Base](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituffik_Space_Base) One thing is pretty sure for me: we can't leave Mother Earth! So hardly can be ball, definetly not in the way, how they show us. The technology improved so much in the last 100 years, and no proof that we every leaved the Earth. (Official version, we even destroyed technology what took us to Moon.. :) :) ) Everything what they show is pure CGI. Even the amateur space ballons show, it is not ball. The videos about NASA spaceballoons from 60s or earlier - with or without people ('astronauts') - also pretty good ones, as proof. + all the satellites fall back to earth, none burns in the atmosphere... So again, hard to imagine, it is a spinning ball with incredible speed in the endless universe, when no human or anything else could ever leave it... (at least, not in the way, how they publicly say)
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On leaving. People have seen flying saucers come up out of the ocean, or sink into rock at places like Sedona, AZ. There may be no way out going up. Musk's rocket like to make splashes and leave wakes above our heads. Humans have flying saucer technology (but not the stuff for going into the ground) and people have made videos of them flying around. If that exists, why are we still using rockets? I love what amateur rockets and balloons show us. We have all these disparate pieces of data, and no good theory to put them all into. The problem with NASA's lies is that there is some truth in it, else we would see through it instantly. What is the truth they are showing us? What is the truth they are hiding?
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>"We truly have no idea about where we live." You speak for yourself. I am capable of ascertaining for myself the shape of the Earth, using the methods of Eratosthenes to measure the angle of the sun's light at different latitudes. I do have an idea of where we live, because I have done the research and understood basic principles of physics that are consilient across all disciplines and science. Your confusion is your own. You may not understand how to conduct experiments and interpret the results, but your lack of understanding is yours alone, and that of equally confused and incapable people is theirs. Leave me and the rest of us that do understand sound, demonstrable principles, out of it.
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  It looks ok, with just two sticks. But when people have done this with a lot of points, the results areโฆ just messed up. And the problem that the sun's distance can't be ascertained without knowing the shape of earth, so, neither can the shape of the earth be determined from the position of the sun. The concave earth in the above picture does line up. But so does a ball earth with a diameter 2x what we declare now. Well, much more oblated. I believe the sun's position is on a logarithmic scale/space (some kind of contraction across more and more space) But this belief is really unprovable, but it shows up in magnets and quantum fields. But, if true, it messes up everything. (where the sun can appear 3,000 miles away, and really be 93 million miles away.
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These tricks don't confront me because of consilience. I believe in some real doozies when it comes to conspiracy theories, but flat Earth ain't one of them.
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