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Self-voting user list since HF19 - PART 3 (potential comment abuse) by calamus056

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Self-voting user list since HF19 - PART 3 (potential comment abuse)
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This time we'll specifically look at potentially abusive self-voting on comments. Again we're looking at data from June 20th - July 18th 2017. All SBD values are excluding curation rewards. **Total SBD** is the total SBD a curator assigned to posts+comments.

**DISCLAIMER:** The information in this article shouldn't be perceived as 100% accurate. When you spot significant errors, please leave a comment. Also keep in mind that the full list below is a raw data dump. In no way is it implied that all cases are considered problematic. It's for you to decide what you think about it and what to do with the information. The reason for names being included is that this is public information and others will release (and some already have released) the information independently.

# Related articles:
* [Extensive curation stats overview since HF19 (June 20th 2017)](https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/extensive-curation-stats-overview-since-hf19-june-20th-2017)
* [Self-voting user list since HF19](https://steemit.com/statistics/@calamus056/self-voting-user-list-since-hf19)
* [Self-voting user list since HF19 - PART 2 (comments)](https://steemit.com/statistics/@calamus056/self-voting-user-list-since-hf19-part-2-comments)

# Introduction
The total author rewards for all comments was $230,754.392 SBD. At least $78,544.107 SBD was from self-votes. At maximum, when 100% of curation rewards are assumed to go to the self-voter as well, it's $104,725.476 SBD. So the total amount of rewards that went to self-votes on comments was between 34.04% and 45.38% (likely closest to 45.38%). This is only visible self-votes, we can't know how large the abuse is between multiple accounts that are owned by the same user.

To really focus on potential abuse, in the data dump below, self-voters that assigned less than 50% of the total SBD through self-votes on comments have been filtered. The remaining 216 users are already responsible for $32,962.620 SBD out of the $78,544.107 SBD that was self-voted by 8873 curators. For convenience the data has been sorted by the percentage of total SBD that's specifically assigned by self-votes on comments. All users in this list have assigned more SBD to themselves than to others, specifically through comments.

## Explaination for me being on the list
I am also on the list, because when i found at about this problem on June 20th, i lost all hope for the platform. I got really angry and switched to 100% self-voting for about a week to make a point. I soon realized it wouldn't accomplish anything. [I've stopped self-voting altogether](https://steemit.com/steemit/@calamus056/i-ve-stopped-self-voting-altogether-who-wants-to-join-me) since then.

# Full list
| Name             | Total SBD | SBD on own comments | % SBD on own comments | Comment self-votes |
|------------------|-----------|---------------------|-----------------------|--------------------|
| kingfish111      | $3.75     | $3.75               | 100.00%               | 64                 |
| predictor2100    | $138.80   | $136.50             | 98.34%                | 256                |
| bulkygangsta     | $72.88    | $70.23              | 96.36%                | 126                |
| storcogato       | $320.45   | $308.68             | 96.33%                | 190                |
| tard             | $203.50   | $195.73             | 96.18%                | 190                |
| incrediblesnow   | $92.51    | $86.02              | 92.99%                | 145                |
| davidmccauley    | $50.31    | $46.65              | 92.72%                | 190                |
| evanrvoss        | $625.84   | $579.80             | 92.64%                | 897                |
| dantethegreat    | $219.05   | $201.55             | 92.01%                | 156                |
| coinlend         | $171.42   | $157.34             | 91.78%                | 201                |
| craigemslie      | $401.84   | $368.17             | 91.62%                | 97                 |
| janrotas         | $1.99     | $1.81               | 90.87%                | 38                 |
| qasimwaqar       | $8.39     | $7.61               | 90.74%                | 51                 |
| steemking777     | $8.26     | $7.38               | 89.44%                | 186                |
| greatpath        | $1,589.53 | $1,404.47           | 88.36%                | 185                |
| leko             | $5.18     | $4.57               | 88.28%                | 55                 |
| hms818           | $40.24    | $35.40              | 87.98%                | 478                |
| avilsd           | $371.51   | $325.93             | 87.73%                | 459                |
| ancap47          | $23.47    | $20.54              | 87.51%                | 35                 |
| masaa            | $24.56    | $21.45              | 87.34%                | 32                 |
| truthforce       | $43.36    | $37.68              | 86.91%                | 90                 |
| teojin0503       | $75.02    | $64.97              | 86.61%                | 142                |
| stefanarud       | $180.54   | $156.11             | 86.47%                | 137                |
| shaf1991         | $6.80     | $5.88               | 86.46%                | 17                 |
| tomino           | $97.43    | $83.89              | 86.10%                | 151                |
| daniel82         | $534.57   | $459.35             | 85.93%                | 101                |
| steemdoge        | $329.95   | $281.75             | 85.39%                | 203                |
| loro             | $13.33    | $11.36              | 85.26%                | 11                 |
| jordanmchale     | $120.46   | $100.45             | 83.39%                | 183                |
| imwatsi          | $6.54     | $5.43               | 83.10%                | 112                |
| rockjon          | $20.18    | $16.64              | 82.48%                | 149                |
| rymlen           | $47.25    | $38.91              | 82.34%                | 297                |
| omninova         | $236.03   | $192.33             | 81.49%                | 49                 |
| steemitpolitics  | $0.30     | $0.24               | 81.27%                | 12                 |
| sikklel          | $14.76    | $11.86              | 80.36%                | 116                |
| simonjones       | $16.83    | $13.48              | 80.11%                | 27                 |
| skycornish       | $82.59    | $66.08              | 80.02%                | 154                |
| omido98          | $189.11   | $150.81             | 79.75%                | 127                |
| squirrelbits     | $0.52     | $0.41               | 79.54%                | 11                 |
| fisch            | $135.77   | $107.97             | 79.53%                | 120                |
| sepracore        | $0.73     | $0.57               | 78.93%                | 42                 |
| gaman            | $10.89    | $8.57               | 78.70%                | 31                 |
| creative-life    | $24.34    | $19.09              | 78.44%                | 180                |
| rl90             | $550.21   | $431.08             | 78.35%                | 77                 |
| immetal6669      | $18.82    | $14.69              | 78.05%                | 148                |
| fxminer          | $600.98   | $467.04             | 77.71%                | 85                 |
| cryptohunt       | $3.06     | $2.37               | 77.54%                | 54                 |
| lucashm          | $9.78     | $7.58               | 77.52%                | 32                 |
| brendanwenzel    | $47.70    | $36.97              | 77.51%                | 119                |
| watchout2017     | $32.57    | $25.03              | 76.83%                | 99                 |
| veejay           | $4.34     | $3.34               | 76.80%                | 72                 |
| rhino            | $56.54    | $43.34              | 76.66%                | 240                |
| tikal            | $44.62    | $34.20              | 76.63%                | 28                 |
| lexiconical      | $1,072.70 | $816.07             | 76.08%                | 189                |
| eeks             | $5,593.42 | $4,244.82           | 75.89%                | 110                |
| flauschi         | $23.77    | $18.03              | 75.88%                | 431                |
| melek            | $48.49    | $36.26              | 74.77%                | 191                |
| malubaidy        | $78.08    | $58.09              | 74.40%                | 28                 |
| jrlo             | $180.34   | $133.19             | 73.85%                | 126                |
| punchplump       | $0.06     | $0.05               | 73.44%                | 13                 |
| yemmy4eva        | $9.95     | $7.28               | 73.17%                | 93                 |
| its4thekids      | $138.09   | $100.83             | 73.02%                | 106                |
| jimjam1210       | $750.74   | $546.22             | 72.76%                | 193                |
| travisjin        | $0.39     | $0.28               | 72.73%                | 27                 |
| movievertigo     | $1,058.83 | $769.18             | 72.64%                | 294                |
| cryptokraze      | $119.19   | $86.45              | 72.53%                | 100                |
| skytrex          | $37.36    | $27.04              | 72.38%                | 207                |
| earworm          | $1.74     | $1.26               | 72.27%                | 34                 |
| grizgal          | $22.82    | $16.47              | 72.16%                | 176                |
| mkdmrs           | $15.75    | $11.14              | 70.71%                | 164                |
| mrwalt           | $924.74   | $653.08             | 70.62%                | 180                |
| pal              | $2,238.40 | $1,579.47           | 70.56%                | 185                |
| anarchyhasnogods | $607.14   | $428.29             | 70.54%                | 159                |
| vass             | $16.89    | $11.86              | 70.19%                | 134                |
| kj50114          | $50.90    | $35.64              | 70.03%                | 76                 |
| marky            | $64.18    | $44.91              | 69.98%                | 133                |
| crypto-p         | $1,437.54 | $1,003.98           | 69.84%                | 643                |
| cyberblock       | $9.39     | $6.53               | 69.50%                | 117                |
| pimpmoney        | $3.10     | $2.14               | 69.13%                | 61                 |
| bhightech        | $32.65    | $22.51              | 68.93%                | 177                |
| geo-geo          | $39.64    | $27.30              | 68.87%                | 82                 |
| meme.for.steem   | $1.86     | $1.27               | 68.23%                | 57                 |
| endaksi1         | $33.85    | $23.08              | 68.19%                | 87                 |
| jbessoir         | $8.04     | $5.48               | 68.16%                | 19                 |
| lifeworship      | $94.02    | $63.80              | 67.86%                | 114                |
| lucky.digger     | $4.21     | $2.85               | 67.79%                | 124                |
| koreaculture     | $161.33   | $108.93             | 67.52%                | 86                 |
| avarice          | $278.33   | $187.23             | 67.27%                | 90                 |
| waniowski        | $1.82     | $1.22               | 67.09%                | 141                |
| leoandbell       | $10.85    | $7.23               | 66.69%                | 94                 |
| tuanvu           | $16.24    | $10.82              | 66.59%                | 75                 |
| panstacks        | $0.25     | $0.17               | 66.54%                | 17                 |
| cryptosteve      | $0.41     | $0.28               | 66.43%                | 24                 |
| pliton           | $39.35    | $26.01              | 66.10%                | 112                |
| riosparada       | $624.23   | $409.66             | 65.63%                | 226                |
| carwilva         | $44.94    | $29.47              | 65.57%                | 136                |
| amirl            | $26.37    | $17.26              | 65.43%                | 263                |
| pratikchordia    | $8.16     | $5.34               | 65.40%                | 104                |
| jessicaricci     | $0.56     | $0.37               | 65.36%                | 46                 |
| fatboyjames      | $16.42    | $10.73              | 65.35%                | 155                |
| g-no             | $541.33   | $351.60             | 64.95%                | 189                |
| ervin-lemark     | $255.54   | $165.57             | 64.79%                | 324                |
| queeneleanor     | $121.35   | $78.61              | 64.77%                | 199                |
| dwhntx           | $27.44    | $17.67              | 64.42%                | 113                |
| fifthangel       | $72.89    | $46.88              | 64.32%                | 164                |
| digital-gypsy    | $315.43   | $202.67             | 64.25%                | 217                |
| thelifeofbrian   | $3.18     | $2.04               | 64.17%                | 119                |
| thomaskikansha   | $26.85    | $17.22              | 64.13%                | 114                |
| cworldv99        | $50.05    | $31.82              | 63.57%                | 92                 |
| linuslee0216     | $19.53    | $12.33              | 63.15%                | 149                |
| jstein101        | $0.99     | $0.62               | 62.85%                | 20                 |
| greensmile       | $288.33   | $179.92             | 62.40%                | 76                 |
| btcmillionaire   | $383.13   | $236.88             | 61.83%                | 299                |
| kaarel           | $248.89   | $153.46             | 61.66%                | 123                |
| calamus056       | $17.16    | $10.57              | 61.59%                | 62                 |
| coar             | $29.77    | $18.19              | 61.08%                | 159                |
| askaran          | $69.66    | $42.53              | 61.05%                | 104                |
| fartblaster      | $0.59     | $0.36               | 60.88%                | 13                 |
| wiedy            | $18.68    | $11.34              | 60.70%                | 101                |
| garthfreeman     | $37.06    | $22.47              | 60.62%                | 78                 |
| god-is-love      | $10.02    | $6.07               | 60.58%                | 102                |
| crystalpacheco   | $0.58     | $0.35               | 60.49%                | 33                 |
| wwamd            | $13.40    | $8.08               | 60.30%                | 113                |
| bengold101       | $0.40     | $0.24               | 60.30%                | 25                 |
| arorapuneet      | $1.44     | $0.87               | 60.22%                | 76                 |
| makeithappen     | $105.76   | $63.42              | 59.96%                | 197                |
| creativephoto    | $1.55     | $0.93               | 59.92%                | 27                 |
| moha1m1ed        | $0.07     | $0.04               | 59.72%                | 12                 |
| birdinc          | $4.21     | $2.51               | 59.70%                | 55                 |
| gthongo          | $69.61    | $41.51              | 59.63%                | 131                |
| martinst         | $25.31    | $15.07              | 59.55%                | 67                 |
| smappy           | $41.13    | $24.48              | 59.52%                | 155                |
| flycryptoguy     | $57.27    | $34.00              | 59.37%                | 19                 |
| surfyogi         | $3,673.05 | $2,177.49           | 59.28%                | 507                |
| paco             | $272.78   | $161.38             | 59.16%                | 203                |
| deserdray        | $0.78     | $0.46               | 59.15%                | 31                 |
| maryfavour       | $266.39   | $157.20             | 59.01%                | 144                |
| dang007          | $914.38   | $539.45             | 59.00%                | 142                |
| gwapology        | $58.64    | $34.59              | 58.99%                | 93                 |
| ericwoelk        | $189.31   | $111.60             | 58.95%                | 171                |
| valth            | $77.88    | $45.81              | 58.82%                | 94                 |
| ehujra           | $4.19     | $2.45               | 58.52%                | 14                 |
| tarek-h          | $0.11     | $0.07               | 58.41%                | 10                 |
| imjason          | $2.66     | $1.54               | 57.85%                | 25                 |
| xplicit          | $3.25     | $1.88               | 57.84%                | 12                 |
| agstakzzz        | $36.07    | $20.84              | 57.77%                | 93                 |
| konelectric      | $202.63   | $116.82             | 57.65%                | 117                |
| jkkim            | $562.02   | $323.79             | 57.61%                | 237                |
| lautenglye       | $12.90    | $7.43               | 57.61%                | 246                |
| adamhole         | $274.88   | $158.24             | 57.57%                | 76                 |
| truth-revelation | $1.24     | $0.71               | 57.55%                | 29                 |
| cryptocash       | $41.38    | $23.80              | 57.52%                | 168                |
| najoh            | $60.57    | $34.78              | 57.42%                | 76                 |
| virtualcoin      | $43.92    | $25.20              | 57.37%                | 108                |
| maleek           | $2.47     | $1.42               | 57.19%                | 39                 |
| breshepard       | $109.09   | $62.06              | 56.89%                | 98                 |
| marco-delsalto   | $1,373.35 | $780.14             | 56.81%                | 118                |
| ernstjan         | $113.09   | $64.07              | 56.65%                | 138                |
| hermanhanafiah   | $0.16     | $0.09               | 56.60%                | 18                 |
| xervantes        | $25.57    | $14.46              | 56.52%                | 86                 |
| heelzkinu        | $1.53     | $0.86               | 56.16%                | 194                |
| codebreaker      | $1.01     | $0.57               | 56.13%                | 29                 |
| tyrone3          | $3.69     | $2.06               | 55.87%                | 16                 |
| orionschariot    | $120.17   | $67.09              | 55.83%                | 169                |
| rach             | $9.70     | $5.37               | 55.37%                | 130                |
| hotdogs          | $131.64   | $72.71              | 55.23%                | 74                 |
| cerejobastos     | $8.31     | $4.58               | 55.18%                | 144                |
| steemboys        | $113.97   | $62.72              | 55.03%                | 298                |
| wetthebeak       | $9.21     | $5.06               | 54.95%                | 73                 |
| shifty0g         | $20.55    | $11.23              | 54.64%                | 176                |
| cryptoriddler    | $19.62    | $10.69              | 54.46%                | 113                |
| politicalboxer   | $1.83     | $1.00               | 54.40%                | 26                 |
| witze            | $61.13    | $33.22              | 54.34%                | 128                |
| extrospect       | $1,582.02 | $859.40             | 54.32%                | 146                |
| sigizzang        | $7,705.30 | $4,172.93           | 54.16%                | 465                |
| atom             | $0.07     | $0.04               | 54.05%                | 11                 |
| bossy            | $4.51     | $2.44               | 54.02%                | 37                 |
| forestbarrett    | $34.57    | $18.61              | 53.83%                | 139                |
| flatearth        | $48.41    | $25.98              | 53.66%                | 217                |
| curlyhead        | $3.56     | $1.91               | 53.58%                | 63                 |
| kryptokayden     | $12.79    | $6.85               | 53.50%                | 82                 |
| shaheer001       | $6.18     | $3.30               | 53.36%                | 84                 |
| dowha            | $214.06   | $113.63             | 53.08%                | 146                |
| bayrene          | $993.02   | $526.83             | 53.05%                | 36                 |
| xels             | $95.84    | $50.84              | 53.05%                | 55                 |
| orionsbelt       | $1.83     | $0.97               | 52.97%                | 42                 |
| methiou          | $7.29     | $3.86               | 52.96%                | 48                 |
| zhanmusi         | $4.47     | $2.36               | 52.83%                | 15                 |
| alecsadler       | $43.73    | $23.09              | 52.81%                | 56                 |
| piotras          | $80.14    | $42.26              | 52.73%                | 139                |
| moksamol         | $108.40   | $56.98              | 52.56%                | 96                 |
| lasseehlers      | $348.68   | $182.86             | 52.44%                | 237                |
| buildyourdreams  | $144.56   | $75.66              | 52.33%                | 44                 |
| skrzypietz       | $17.49    | $9.11               | 52.10%                | 210                |
| stormuk69        | $32.21    | $16.78              | 52.10%                | 43                 |
| xpency           | $11.85    | $6.16               | 51.97%                | 160                |
| mahdiyari        | $15.77    | $8.18               | 51.91%                | 58                 |
| bthomas3664      | $3.31     | $1.71               | 51.68%                | 42                 |
| man-d            | $4.80     | $2.47               | 51.53%                | 61                 |
| coinhawk         | $75.71    | $38.90              | 51.38%                | 63                 |
| shockstar        | $1.29     | $0.66               | 51.28%                | 11                 |
| fooge            | $4.41     | $2.26               | 51.23%                | 36                 |
| daudimitch       | $5.48     | $2.81               | 51.19%                | 154                |
| elbiasto         | $14.92    | $7.63               | 51.15%                | 79                 |
| ryan-traveler    | $0.80     | $0.41               | 51.12%                | 46                 |
| thatadvocate     | $2.86     | $1.46               | 51.07%                | 54                 |
| goplayonline     | $3.19     | $1.63               | 51.05%                | 68                 |
| minari           | $83.26    | $42.42              | 50.95%                | 56                 |
| sanevys          | $68.29    | $34.79              | 50.94%                | 128                |
| johnsmith        | $1,513.63 | $766.15             | 50.62%                | 156                |
| n-doorplants     | $0.21     | $0.11               | 50.47%                | 13                 |
| btcupload        | $44.94    | $22.66              | 50.42%                | 68                 |
| financialcritic  | $270.46   | $135.71             | 50.18%                | 254                |
| christianhughes  | $0.87     | $0.44               | 50.17%                | 22                 |
| margaretwise     | $276.79   | $138.78             | 50.14%                | 883                |
| djohan           | $245.15   | $122.83             | 50.11%                | 583                |

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What assholes!
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@art-universe ·
Is it really so bad in your eyes?? Why?
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@avva ·
I didn't make the friggin list yet.

![Joker.gif](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPEcKwZDMexpYpFZ4ChYiHrcp8KqLb7ofXxm2HxNEYX1X/Joker.gif)
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@calamus056 ·
You only show up with 13 self-votes on comment for a total of only 5%. That's quite acceptable :)
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@pilcrow ·
Where do you see that? I'm curious about my stats.
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@beckerly ·
$0.58
Despite all the discussion regarding self-voting as of late, I still don't have an inherent problem with it, and see the problems of: low-quality/low-effort posts and comments, high numbers of accounts per user, and cross-voting amongst them (often via bots of some type), as being much bigger problems worth immediate efforts to try and stop.

But I'm a curator-at-heart, not a poster or blogger, so that probably significantly affects my outlook on the subject.

If anyone takes the time to make a quality post or comment, I don't see why they should care what anyone else thinks of them voting it up themselves versus relying on anyone else. If they've gotten their SP by some legitimate means (sweat equity or cold hard cash), then they've already put into Steemit exactly what's owed for that privilege, so they're entitled to wield it as they see fit.

Demanding anything else from them is just a misplaced sense of entitlement, plain and simple. *No one is owed an upvote from anyone else that they could have used on themselves. **Post something good enough that it makes them choose differently.***
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@bitatlas ·
But there are steemians like 0.30 in 0.30 are self votes...
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@bluemist ·
Even, some whales & witness are also on the list
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@calamus056 ·
Yep, you would think they especially have a huge benefit from supporting content creators instead of themselves.
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@bluemist ·
This should be the ideal case, there also many witnesses who chose option of 'Decline Payment'.
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@carlosgarcia ·
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@everythink ·
$0.96
Yep, self-voting is a real problem. What do you think about my **[proposal](https://steemit.com/steemit/@everythink/proposal-equalize-author-and-curation-rewards-instead-of-current-75-25-ratio) to equivalize curation and author rewards?**
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@elfspice ·
$0.06
I proposed that some ways back. More curation rewards rewards voting for others, and makes no difference to self voting.
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@inquiringtimes ·
$0.11
how about this one? [@rycharde - Proposal for New Rules regarding Self Votes and Voting Rings](https://steemit.com/steemit/@rycharde/proposal-for-new-rules-regarding-self-votes-and-voting-rings)
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@inquiringtimes ·
if you haven't read it yet, then it deserves a peruse
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@steemreports · (edited)
I like this idea too.

At a certain percentage, it would mean that randomly up-voting would be just as profitable as self-voting. I'm not quite sure what that percentage would be, as I think it would need quite a bit of thought and reading, but maybe that level is optimal, even if it's more than 50% for curation.
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@evolved08gsr ·
Do you mind my asking what tool you're using to analyze the blockchain data? I am using SteemSQL and linking to it through SSMS. I was curious if you were doing the same, or if you were using another method.

If you're also using SSMS, I'd be interested in talking with you about the query you ran.

Thanks!
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@calamus056 ·
I gathered the data with SteemJS and imported it into MySQL myself.
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@evolved08gsr ·
Ok, so your logic is in MySQL? or do you use another language?

I know MySQL has some distinct differences from SQL Server, but I've worked with both sets of logic before and it's not so different that you can't match things up.

I'm running a similar analysis using SQL Server Management Studio (SSMS), which uses vanilla SQL, and was interested in the proper logic for calculation of payouts (how much goes to the author vs curator and such).

If you could point me in the right direction, or share that part of your code, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks!
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@flycryptoguy ·
$0.77
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@baah ·
No.
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@inquiringtimes ·
$0.05
I'm just gonna hi-jack this comment to suggest that a more helpful list might be of the most generous whales who use a majority of their votes for other people
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@freebornangel ·
I sure am glad you came along, I been looking for those numbers for months.
Can we get the delegation numbers?
Who delegates to whom and what effects on distribution results from that.

My content has not been well received, despite bringing some of the most informative infobombs on the platform. 
(look for yourself, if you find somebody with more content depth than me let me know I want to add them to my steemvoter.  We should exclude gavvet, sweetssj, kernl, kingscrown, v4vapid, and on occasion stellabelle, those people bring it every time, imo.)

It was made clear to me at it's inception that @curie was not gonna vote for me, and the uppercrust has exhibited solidarity in that position, albeit potentially for their own reasons separate from @curie.
I got real butthurt when the platform claims to support free speech when the facts are that they only support conforming speech, no free thinkers need to apply unless they happen to conform to the goals of the upper crust.

Apparently my content does not qualify.


I predicted that allowing delegation would just institutionalize curie and make the insiders that much more difficult to resist.
When whales vote everybody else loses influence.
So, when a whale delegates to somebody else we get the same circlejerk that is @curie, except where we can't see it as easily.

Do you intend to make your search engine available as asksteem.com has, perhaps add it to steemtools.com for easy access?

I also wonder about exposing who votes for whom month over month.
Who is circlejerking the reward pool?

You have exposed the blatant self voters, now can we expose the second level self voters, too?

I never did like the idea of ganging up to reward the select few in the gang.
I opposed it from the beginning.

Thanks for giving me the data to support my position.
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@calamus056 ·
$0.04
> Do you intend to make your search engine available as asksteem.com has, perhaps add it to steemtools.com for easy access?

Not yet, it's an even larger project then. The so called "circlejerks" and self-voting with multiple accounts is indeed my next target. But that's much more complicated, so don't expect it any time soon :)
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@freebornangel ·
Wonderful!
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@ghulammujtaba ·
$0.33
We will see some more names in the next few days. People are buying Steem Power delegation and there is no other way to use this except for upvoting their own posts and comments. Obviously, peeps want a higher return on their investment.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
There is at least one other way to use it, to vote on others :)

Higher return on investment will be short lived, the more funds you withhold from content creators, the more the STEEM price will drop so then you more tokens of something that's worth less, that doesn't accomplish anything.
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@ghulammujtaba ·
$0.69
Well, the people of this planet use to adopt short term tactics rather than going for long run. I have seen many whales who are self voting, could be seen from your report as well.
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@its4thekids ·
$0.52
wouldn't you have to sell them to drop the price?
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@marcusorlyius ·
$0.24
Anyone with any sense knows that that people spending shit loads of money to buy or hire SP are not going to use that to vote for other people. That's the height of naivety. *Of course* they're going to use it to upvote themselves. Most of those people are An-caps, not communists.
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@mhangami ·
This platform is for sharing ideas and others comment. Upvoting is an added benefit not a right. So why should you claim a right to upvote oneself. Someone's comment may shape your direction. Upvoting oneself is just simple although allowed. Let community judge you.
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@onetree ·
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Yippee, friend free list. Thanks for this. I DO vote for myself. But maybe a quarter to a third of my voting power. This is a bit overboard.
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Your percentage is  about 25%, meaning you self-vote 25% of the rewards on comments of the total rewards you give out. That's slightly too high in my opinion. But you were probably not aware of it :)
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@onetree ·
$0.07
Okay cool. I will definitely work on it. I've begun to notice though, that intelligent voting for others brings more rewards in terms of the favor being returned than self-voting.
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@quinneaker ·
You have earned a follow from me because of this post. 

Keep up the good work!
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@calamus056 ·
$0.03
I also earned a lot of unfollows ;)
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@quinneaker ·
hahaha oh well!
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@rezpatex ·
Thank you for sharing.

I probably have to read around 100 posts like this before i start to understand this..  ;)
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@richq11 ·
I think they should demonetize comments... Their comments, not content. If all you have to offer is comments, you belong on Fakebook!
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@calamus056 · (edited)
Nah i disagree with that. There are other solutions that don't take that freedom away. Comments are content too you know.
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@rudel ·
so self voting is not advisable sir?
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@calamus056 ·
Selfishness is never good, but we all are from time to time.

Voting on others still gives you curation rewards so it's not entirely a loss, right? :)
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@steemmeupscotty ·
Interesting read @calamus - It certainly seems like a problem which can only get worse. I'm only 4 weeks in here, but I get the sense that more than many here are motivated by their own selfish greed and by absolutely nothing else whatsoever. In some ways, I understand this - we've all go to put food on the table, and some, sooner than later.

BUT (a minnow's cloudy uninformed perspective)

As steemit grows, as I'm sure was the original intention (for one reason or another), and unscrupulous 'investors' get  wise to the easy pickings of self-voting and delegate  blue whale SP to themselves solely for the purpose of paying themselves, what's to stop the plug being pulled as steem tanks and we're all left powering down to nothing with no reward when the big cash-out happens?

 The so-called investors will meanwhile be laughing while us suckers are stuck with $ tied up in SP. Sure, the 'investors' will have SP too, but will have considered that a write-off anyway before their 'venture' began.

Abuse of the 'system' will always be rife if there are loopholes to exploit and this seems like a huge one, a hoop so big, giant mammals can jump through, but not for minnows who can't get out of the water how ever hard they try.

DISCLAIMER - I'm sure all of this has been considered a million times, and I may not be seeing things correctly, objectively, or with any real insight. Maybe my maths is askew, I don't know. But my minnowy sonar senses can't help but wonder what that disturbance in the water is all about. Are many here about to get Moby Dicked? 

p.s I love steemit for its creative and entertainment value nonetheless but don't want to be the target of vitriol from any friends I bring on to the platform. Makes me think - what to do now?
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@stimialiti ·
The worst problems are most human profiles being spammers and spammer-minded and this: https://steemit.com/steemit/@stimialiti/bots-and-multiple-accounts-on-steemit

The suicide part is not having direct ads, although the promoted content and the system as is now, actually encourage advertisement in a sense and help mitigate some of this problem.
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@sudutpandang ·
Thanks you share...
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@surfyogi ·
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I think all the "self voting lists" and the entire issues is completely over-shadowing all kinds of other work we should be doing on the Steemit platform.

To quote @smooth:

"Someone who buys SP and then selfvotes is not 'draining' anything and at best can get back a portion of what was put in. It causes no harm at all."

Investors are the ones who underwrite all of the rewards on this platform. If you are not an investor, or are only a smaller investor, you need to focus your efforts on creating inspiring content that makes investors want to give their money to you. Whatever else they do or don't do with their money (including self-voting) is not your concern and does not harm you in any way. Nevertheless, you do have a downvote that you can use to disagree with what you think are underserved rewards. I suggest using it."

"The idea of creating 'lists of shame' and demonizing people is divisive, creates a hostile and toxic environment attractive to no one, and serves no useful purpose. There is no way to tell from these lists whether the content is deserving of the rewards or not. The only way to tell is by actually looking at the content, and if you think it is undeserving, downvote it."

"Your own statistics show that self-voting is awarding about 8.5% of the reward pool. I don't find that suggestive of any problem whatsoever. It is probably a very reasonable number given that the current parameters give people 10 full power votes to make per day. Thus one is being applied to the voters' own content and nine to others' (on average, of course). Seems fine."
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@tarekadam ·
Great information. Upvoted, resteemd and followed.
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@travelersmemoire ·
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If I write a well thought comment and want views I'll definitely selfvote, but if I just said something stupid I'll usually refrain.  That said the MASSIVE decrease in votes on some of the legitimate content I post is a bit disheartening so I guess I really shouldn't contribute to a problem affecting me.
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@ur-nxt-grlfrnd ·
$0.13
Good Information @calamus056, I upvoted!
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@calamus056 ·
Will you be my girlfriend now?
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