EOS - So you are missing the explanation for the frozen acocunts? Read this! by conceptskip

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eos · @conceptskip · Jun 24 '18 (edited)

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EOS - So you are missing the explanation for the frozen acocunts? Read this!

### Controversy with EOS just doesn't ebb off. Now many (outsiders?) are enraged with EOS governance finally starting to take action. Especially the emergency order to freeze 27 accounts has provoked an outcry, and the lack of an explanation has been heavily critisised. 
https://i.imgur.com/1M0pZ4v.png

While indeed the postponement of the explanation might have been unlucky, now there is an explanation to the ruling available. Take a look and see if your criticism holds up. 
In a nutshell: 
- The arbitration claim came from the proprietors of the frozen accounts. Third party accounts haven't been frozen. 
- Those people were able to demonstrate ownership, as the were able to provide the ETH primary keys that have been used for the ICO: 
https://i.imgur.com/4zgGiOq.png
(The doc has been publishen in the EOSGov Telegram Channel, June 22, 22:49 CET.)
### So the ruling is pretty clear, and seems to follow basic logic. If it were in fact the accounts of others, those could answer to the arbitration ruling, which they didn't though...

### What is your assessment of early EOS abritration?

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@a-0-1 · Jun 23 '18

Please upvote: https://steemit.com/free/@bible.com/4qcr2i

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@crypto.piotr · Jun 25 '18

great choice of topic @conceptskip. this is indeed a little heated up issue. 

it seem that EOS is struggling with several problems one after the other. and probably most investors do not even understand some of those problems (I seem to belong to this group).

upvoted. And thx buddy for resteeming my latest post. Hope you can also find some time and participate :)

Yours
Piotr

👍 conceptskip

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@conceptskip · Jun 25 '18

The thing is, the mainnet just launched, the whole system is only being built up, and there are many piece of the puzzle that need to fit together. Moreover BlockOne who created the tech, have now stepped into the background and the community needs to decide, that's likely the main source of the controversy, because different stakeholder want to steer the project in different directions, as long as its not settled.

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@crypto.piotr · Jun 30 '18

Hi @conceptskip-

Im very sorry for such a delay with my replies but currently Ive been overwhelmed with amount of work that has been related to my latest contest. I never expected to receive such an amazing support.

Thank you for your valuable explanation mate.

Enjoy your weekend :)

Yours
Piotr

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@conceptskip · Jun 25 '18

Ah yes, you are welcome! I always find your posts very inspiring and i hope to add my view on it too.

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@innuendo · Jun 24 '18

>What is your assessment of early EOS abritration?

Let's see what the word "abritration" actually means.

>the formal process of having an outside person, chosen by both sides to a disagreement, end the disagreement.

[Source](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/arbitration)

The question is: how does the above definition fit into what is happening on EOS? Is ECAF really acting as an arbitrator or more like police?

👍 conceptskip

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@conceptskip · Jun 24 '18 (edited)

Good question, because it addresses some facts about EOS not well known. By using the blockchain, every participant agrees to the constitution and thus arbitration, and as for now no other forum has been defined, ECAF is the default arbitration, just as described by the constitution. So everything is there. And by starting the unstaking process on the nascent EOS blockchain, those scammers, did formally agree to arbitration. 
If you are interested in this topic i recommend watching @dan's recent explanations how this works: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeebYd66vU&feature=youtu.be&t=43m52s
In addition: If in fact the arbitration-action would have been illegitimate, one of the current possessors of primary keys of those accounts frozen could have stepped up and dispute the arbitration ruling, but until now only uninvolved 3rd parties have done so.

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@innuendo · Jun 24 '18 (edited)

Yes, I'm aware of this video and it only proves my point.

When you are a citizen of any country, you also agree to the constitution by choosing to live in that country and thus you are subject to its police and justice system, as defined by the constitution, if you commit a crime.

Just stop calling ECAF an arbitration, which in real life is an entity you **opt** to employ when you enter a particular contract with a third-party.

Instead call it police (combined with a court of law), and everything will be fine.

When you are robbed, you don't have a disagreement with the thief. You are a victim of a crime. You don't need an arbitrator, you need police. So when you're calling ECAF an arbitration, you're twisting the reality to hide the truth.

When you are robbed in real life, you call the police, that makes an investigation, brings the case to a court of law, which issues a verdict which is then implemented by the government.

When you are robbed on EOS, you call ECAF, that makes an investigation, reaches a conclusion, issues a verdict which is then implemented by the BPs.

The analogy is perfect. What we have is a **policed** blockchain. Is that what we wanted? I don't know.

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@luigi-tecnologo · Jun 23 '18 (edited)

Very bad comunication and it's strange you need an eth address to prove the ownership of an EOS account .. What about non genesys accounts?

👍 conceptskip

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@conceptskip · Jun 24 '18

Is it really strange to look at the eth keys, when the alleged fraud took place on the Ethereum chain?
And no, why should this same procedure be necessary for non genesis accounts, this would be an entirely different case....

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@tamwin33 · Jun 26 '18 (edited)

My ONLY problem with this is that they didn't provide reasoning. Providing reasoning at a later date is just a dangerous precedent. We need to outline these kinds of procedures in the Constitution and vote out the idiot who decided that was going to be good PR.

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@conceptskip · Jun 25 '18 (edited)

$0.05

Absolutely agree they need to get much more transparent and professional, but still, this forum is just a few days old now (politicians get 100 days), and they also don't get paid.  And finally this has been an emergency ruling, so it makes sense to act now and deliver a bullet-proof reasoning later, which they did within 2 days. Compare that with any other blockchain, your precious tokens would have just been gone. Forever! Without reasoning ever.

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@voluntary-io · Jun 24 '18

Ethereum reverted transactions in the past when a large hack occurred. They had to stop the whole chain and go back to the previous state. I don't see freezing hacked accounts as a problem, rather a feature offering safety of users' funds and detracting hackers from trying to run expensive malicious campaigns (cheaper and more effective to scam from other blockchains' users). 
My only condition would be that Block Producers hold a considerable amount of EOS, so they always have a lot to lose if they behave unethical.  The more EOS they have at stake the more credible they are.

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@conceptskip · Jun 24 '18

Very valuable point added! Special thanks for the resteem!

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@crypto.piotr · Jun 25 '18

Thank you for that explanation @voluntary-io. It's definetly helping me to put some puzzle's together.

cheers, Piotr

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