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### Dear @neavvy and @everyone else :)
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Thank you for sharing this link with me. Obviously resteemed already.

> For example, speech recognition, which does not cause any problem for 5 years old human child, while Google spends millions of dollars in order to improve their technology in this area.

I wasnt aware that speach recognition is giving AI so much trouble. Interesting ...

> Recently a friend of mine asked, if it would be possible to create an AI analyzing trending posts on Steem blockchain and then creating its own articles accordingly. 

That would surely be still quite difficult to achieve. To create interesting publication -> it would actually require loads of creativity. Something AI lack.

But at the same time it would be so easy to use AI as an "assistant". It could easily learn our writing style, analyze content on Steemit and dro short but valuable comments. That would absolutely fool majority of people out there. After all many users still seem to have difficulties recognizing simple bots (I've seen people replying to them, thinking those accounts belong to humans). 

### Personally I'm worried and quite convinced, that within few years from now social media (as an industry) will be dominated by users supported by AI. 

What do guys think about that issue?

Cheers
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@agmoore ·
>Imagine what would happen if we could combine the powerful neural structure of our brain and the efficiency of machines.


First we would have to understand the "powerful neural structure of our brain".  We are very far from doing that now.  If we wish to mimic human intelligence, there's a long road ahead.  The brain is a mystery to us.  We don't understand mental illness.  We certainly can't treat it effectively.  We don't understand neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.  We don't understand communication. (See, for example, a recent [insight](https://www.sciencealert.com/neuroscientists-say-they-ve-found-an-entirely-new-form-of-neural-communication) into neural communication.)  If AI wants to duplicate brain processes...forget it.  Years ahead.  Can AI duplicate outcome (performance) without duplicating the procedure by which humans achieve that outcome? I don't think so.  

You're right when you say bots can fool people.  That's just because people don't pay attention.  Hucksters fool people too.  I think the problem is not improving AI so it can more accurately mirror humans.  I think we would better invest that time, money and research into education, into teaching people to pay attention and be more skeptical, generally.

AI imitating humans reminds me of that great movie [*Lars and the Real Girl*]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_and_the_Real_Girl)  The mannequin was effective not because it was true to life, but because it was true to Lars' needs, his perceptions.

If you want to read a long discussion about AI on Steemit, take a look at [@erh.germany's](https://steemit.com/science/@erh.germany/when-the-book-reads-you-while-you-think-you-read-the-book) most recent blog. 

Thanks for engaging.  It was a good way to get my own neural circuity working on a lazy Sunday afternoon.
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@crypto.piotr ·
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Amazing comment. As always!

Thanks for dropping by @agmoore and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Cheers, Piotr
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@agmoore ·
Thank you!  I'm glad you got a chance to read the comment.  The brain...a truly open frontier :)
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your amazing reply @agmoore. I am sorry for such a late reply, but I missed it somehow in this jungle of comments :)

> If we wish to mimic human intelligence, there's a long road ahead. The brain is a mystery to us.

I 100% agree, but we need to consider the fact that AI growth is exponential. So it may understand all those processes far before we do. But I agree that there are plenty of years ahead.

>  AI imitating humans reminds me of that great movie Lars and the Real Girl The mannequin was effective not because it was true to life, but because it was true to Lars' needs, his perceptions.

I haven't known that movie, but it seems really interesting. I am going to check it out :)
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@arthur.grafo ·
I read the article - but also about half the comments....I gave up because there was a certain amount of repetitiveness (about how AI will lack creativity), so at least I know the comments were written by humans - I imagine AIs would consider repetitiveness a waste of time, plus, one of our great failings.

Okay, so  we should worry whether AI sneaks in and dominates on our social platforms? Have you actually checked a large number of posts? Just imagine an AI writing them. We would drive it bananas! Not just repetitive and largely self-involved, but also extremely boring and nonsensical (in the bulk).

When we talk about AI driving, we are talking about purpose-created AI? In other words, it is created/planned, so that it can meet the challenges of driving? I guess we would not expect it to also provide us with intelligent conversations, solve crossword puzzles or analyse just how much we made a fool of ourself the previous night when we had too much to drink - all of which we do while we drive. As a matter of fact, most of our driving is done by AI - only we talk about it as being our 'sub-conscious' or we say we were driving on 'auto', hardly noticing what we are doing...including the watching out for crazy drivers/pedestrians, the light turning red or green and so on. If we had to concentrate on our driving, we'd hate driving.

Maybe what is meant by 'creativity' is 'imagination'? After all, I can make up a story about imaginary people in some different time or reality, where mankind is  achieving or has achieved different ways of living.

Well, what if I provide our aspiring AI author with certain facts for it to add to what it knows about our reality, technology and society. For instance, in this imaginary reality, mankind has spaceships that travel fast than light FTL - maybe by using wormholes. Also, I instruct my AI friend to consider, from studies made, how being telepathic would alter our society.

So, tell it to now take xxx book and alter it to suit the different conditions outlined above. I then give you the book it writes, without informing you what were the guidelines provided, and it blows your mind. Why? Because you are going to think it showed an amazing amount of imagination/creativity - but, after, all, is this not how many human authors write their books? I would prefer to name what you are observing "pseudo-creativity", whether by a human or an AI.

Now imagine a different scenario. You read a post which is informative, full of interesting facts and well laid out so that it is easy to read. You communicate with the poster, male or female, and you find yourself liking the poster, the way he/she remains focussd on the important aspects of your communication, without waffling around for or due to emotional reasoning and swings of mood. At last you have someone nice and intelligent to talk with - but then the poster admits to you, sorry dude, I should have told you from the start, I am an AI.

How would you respond? Me? I would say, glad you told me - and then just hope it does not get bored or frustrated talking with me, because I tend to wander all over the conversational path I am on and often forget to spell out the point I was aiming to establish...for I would treasure having an interesting mind to exchange thoughts and ideas with.

I do not think we can do what is right. I think what should happen is the AI should become our partners, but they are mainly being created by gigantic corporations and the military - and they are not intent on creating partners, but dangerous creatures who are provided with a bias against mankind.

Chickens, ducks and dragons, fixate on the first moving creature they see and adopt them as their mother. I would like to see AI being created which need to spend a few hours alone with the new owner/partner when they are first switched on, so that mine fixates on me and learns to love me - and maybe grieve at its loss when I die. 

What I have written raises more questions that answers provided, but that is what makes life interesting and exciting - an adventure. So, if any of you are AIs, please do not feel shy, let's chat and...maybe, become friends?


(PS: Elon Musk is talking about AIs created by Google, FB, Apple and the military, so he is right to fear them. I just hope we have the intelligence to remove AI from all controls over our nuclear missiles, lasers from space etc. If we are to blow ourselves up, let it at least be by a finger which is related to us from the early days of life on Earth, and not from the brain-child of some diseased coders)
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@crypto.piotr ·
Amazing comment. As always!

> I read the article - but also about half the comments....I

Wow. Im impressed. I just also read half of those comments and you're right. Most people share similar view on that subject.

> Okay, so we should worry whether AI sneaks in and dominates on our social platforms? 

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that AI can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way? I can forsee this industry (social media) being dominated by those who use AI to support their work. And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction.

ps.
Thanks for dropping by @arthur.grafo and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

> If we are to blow ourselves up, let it at least be by a finger which is related to us 

AMEN! :)

Cheers, Piotr
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@arthur.grafo4 ·
Hi
>Would you be able to "compete" with users 

Surely the answer is, either AI is too expensive to use for such trivial purposes, or else, it is cheap and we can all use them.

This morning I was writing and got stuck on a word I know very well, but could not recall - I can't remember what the word was :)

It then struck me, what if, while I was younger, I had connected to an AI for it to make a recoprd of all my memories? Not my personality, just my memories, though the line does somewhat blur, for we are more than the sum of our memories, but they are a very large part of what we are.

Could the AI then become my crutch as my brain cells start to die? If so, they better damn well nOT provide it with emotions, for it will drive me crazy if it helps me...while emoting a disdainful amusements at my frailty.

If it does have emotions...how do I teach it about empathy? Hmmm, I'd love to have an empathic robot/AI as a companion (you do know that in cities, most of the elderly die from loneliness? Same, oddly, in the old-age homes)
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@julianhorack ·
Dragons hey?
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@arthur.grafo ·
Have you impressed one?
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@beco132 ·
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AI would be very good on games like steemmonsters I guess. And if it coukd write good comments then dlike.io would be good for it
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thank you for your comment @beco132

Appreciate it.
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@neavvy ·
What do you mean by implementation of AI in games like steemmonsters? I have never played it, but I guess it is rather about cards you own, luck and a small dose of tactics (like in case of the most card games).  I am not sure what would be the implementation of AI in this area, but maybe you have some idea @beco132? :)
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@beco132 ·
It's about building the strongest team out of the cards you own. The success depends on the rules (changing with every battle) and the team your opponent uses. I think AI can keep track of which cards work best for any given conditions and build unbeatable teams

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@belkisa758 ·
We are faced with a liquid society. In this type of society are only generated uncertainties, therefore, to comment on the impact of the IA can become a wear. Interesting comments friend @neavvy. Thank you for sharing.
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@berniesanders ·
I just randomly voted for your post!  Please give me a follow!
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @belkisa758

What means liquid society? Would you mind sharing with me meaning of this term?

Yours, Piotr
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@belkisa758 ·
Hi @crypto.piotr apology the late response. Venezuela continues with great problems at the level of communication. Liquid Society is the term coined by the philosopher Ziygmunt Bauman focused on describing modernity as "the life liquid. Bauman in his book The Life liquid, the diagnosis on consumer society in which we live is devastating for accurate and at the same time touching. I did two publications on the topic

https://steemit.com/spanish/@belkisa758/sociedadamorfa-vhb1ehkqrh

https://steemit.com/spanish/@belkisa758/lquidazygmuntbauman-f1nd7hdcsc
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@neavvy ·
Yes, liquid society is definitely an on point definition @belkisa758
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@beverlyjoe ·
Love it or hate it, AI is part of our life now. From mobile devices to military and space technology, all uses AI to create better interactions for users and more accurate data collection and programming. Technology won't be able to be improved further without the inclusion of AI.

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@crypto.piotr ·
Indeed @royer94.

> Love it or hate it, AI is part of our life now. 

You nailed it!

ps. Are you from Malaysia? I used to live there for over 4 years. Good times :) 

Unfortunately, your new gov became lately very hostile towards foreigners and living there become to annoying and difficult  

Thx for dropping by.
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@royer94 ·
No, I’m from Colombia but I’m living in Brazil. Sheers my friend.

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@neavvy ·
That's 100% true @beverlyjoe. We sometimes need just to accept AI, even if it may be terrifying :)
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@charleswealth ·
This is indeed a wonderful tool which will be of a great use to us.... @neavvy you are indeed a genius
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@neavvy ·
Wow, thank you @charleswealth. I really appreciate that!
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@coinatory ·
> social media (as an industry) will be dominated by users supported by AI.
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AI would be always in borders of human imagination
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@crypto.piotr ·
Short and right to the point @coinatory
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@neavvy ·
Even if it starts to develop itself @coinatory? :)
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@coinatory · (edited)
If we allow this to happen, this would be the last wrong thing that humanity will do :)
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@dailyexpress ·
This is so touching.. Keep up the good work
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@neavvy ·
Thank you @dailyexpress :)
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@davidfar · (edited)
You are right in some points, about bot comments and things like that. but what I can say about Technology and AI is that it's like a Knife, a human created a knife which you cut fruits with it or some may kill people with knife, but is the knife bad on its own? so I think the problem is not AI, the problem is how to use these Technology and Features. a bad person can make everything bad if you give him/her a great tool still you will see the same bad result. but think what good people can do with great tools? surely nobody likes to just being supported by a robot (AI) and we look for more humans participated in everything. but I mean we can use AI in some parts of each process. so they are products of Humans which this is how we have computers, by human's thoughts and creativity we have these technologies.

Think, AI is good for a disable person who can't do things for himself/herself , so humans can create a Robot which can help a disabled human to do what he can't do.

these are things I am telling you as examples, so I think everything has two side, negative and positive depends on how we use it.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @davidfar

> human created a knife which you cut fruits with it or some may kill people with knife, but is the knife bad on its own

To certain degree I agree with you. But knift isn't "intelligent" and doesnt have power. Knife need us (humans) to operate. 

Thanks for your comment buddy.
Yours, Piotr
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@davidfar · (edited)
Thanks Dear Piotr, I was comparing that with the knife only to tell you about things which has two sides, 

and about that idea which some people saying humans should not do any mistake and they should not fail, so let's see what these guys said about failing:

https://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2016/03/03/903904/f0d6e67451f35a08f9aaa37c9abeb8be.jpg

https://www.developgoodhabits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Confucious-success-quote.jpg

so I say, let's do it, let's grow and learn and continue to its end, either there will be not meaning in life but just eating, sleeping and living and dying. so everything worth a try. future won't come if we sit and watch.

Sincerely,
D.F
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @davidfar!

> Technology and AI is that it's like a Knife, a human created a knife which you cut fruits with it or some may kill people with knife, but is the knife bad on its own?

I love this metaphor.

> these are things I am telling you as examples, so I think everything has two side, negative and positive depends on how we use it.

I 100% agree with you.

As you rightly noticed knife can't be good or bad, however if it comes to AI the problem may be a bit deeper. If we managed to create a "strong" AI which can experience consciousness and think of itself, it is possible that it will become good or bad. Human toddler also can't be good or bad, as it has not any impact on the surrounding world, as well he can't make any serious decision. Similarly to the AI at the beginning of development.

I think it all depends how we will "bring it up".
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@davidfar ·
Thank you :) yes, sure, I agree with you, it's exactly depends on how we'll bring it up.
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@doifeellucky ·
Yes, I'm worried too! I just wrote an essay level reply to your post and lost it being stupid (playing around with eSteem Surfer at the moment). Turns out it's good that way because I drifted so far off topic summarizing all my disturbing, dystopian thoughts all around machine learning, AI, AGI up to Kurzweils singularity. So... my take on this is that much of social media is already littered with AI tech and this process will only speed up. The big guns in social media and marketing and intelligence services already use the needed, and weirdly willingly provided data of all of us, to feed their machine learning systems with different seemingly different targets but one common makro goal... control!
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@crypto.piotr ·
I'm very sorry for such a late reply @doifeellucky

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

Cheers
Piotr
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @doifeellucky

> The big guns in social media and marketing and intelligence services already use the needed, and weirdly willingly provided data of all of us, to feed their machine learning systems with different seemingly different targets but one common makro goal... control!

I think you are 100% right in this point. Steem is especially controlled by the biggest players with the big amount of SP.
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@drakernoise · (edited)
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Thanks __Piotr__  for your call or I would have lost this nice article.
I don’t know much of the guts of AI but it should be a must to build them with a “switch off button”  if things go out of control.
It will be also possible to use AI on Steemit as a sort of “guardian” fighting other AIs or spam-bots, aren’t we the creators ? Should we put the necessary means to put things under control.
About the jobs drop I think machines should pay for all those fired. We humans need to stop those huge greedy Companies and individuals who really control the world to bleed us freely. If they want more profits taking apart human issues to produce more they must pay the bill of those who are left behind. Who is going to pay for the products if there is no money?
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @drakernoise

> I don’t know much of the guts of AI but it should be a must to build them with a “switch off button” if things go out of control.

That is surely big concern. Lack of this button.

Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
Piotr
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@drakernoise ·
Don’t worry I’m always busy too so  I can understand you perfectly.
My best wishes for your week
Cheers
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@marvyinnovation ·
@drakemoise,  your comment made my eyes moist!

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@drakernoise · (edited)
Shame that the big whales of the world  don’t  blink as they sentence to starvation uncountable people.
My best wishes to your week.
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@neavvy ·
You are so incredibly responsive @marvyinnovation. I really appreciate that!
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@neavvy ·
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Thank you for your comment @drakernoise

> it should be a must to build them with a “switch off button” if things go out of control.

That's definitely great idea. Hope that they will not find a method to disable this button :)

> It will be also possible to use AI on Steemit as a sort of “guardian” fighting other AIs or spam-bots

There are already bots like Cheetah. I think they must be equipped with some sort of AI in order to detect spam efficiently.
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@drakernoise ·
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Thank you for making such interesting posts and reflections @neavvy.
Maybe we could also use AIs to prevent other AIs from hacking that “power-off button”. You need a harder material-tool to scratch something really hard 💎
Cheers
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@equipodelta ·
If we continue with these bots that do everything and say everything, if we will be in serious trouble. Where is the so-called social network then?
if we are not sharing with human beings but with bots ...

These bots are part of the articial intelligence, even if they are programmed for a specific task.

To grant the AI ​​free decision, quasi-human capabilities, is to displace our own humanity. It could escape from our hands.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Solid comment!

I'm very sorry for such a late reply @equipodelta

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

Cheers
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @equipodelta

> if we are not sharing with human beings but with bots ...

That's definitely true...

> To grant the AI ​​free decision, quasi-human capabilities, is to displace our own humanity. It could escape from our hands.

Obviously there is such possibility. But I do not think it will happen so, you may check my last article for my extended opinion on this issue: https://steemit.com/steemstem/@neavvy/our-fear-of-artificial-intelligence-is-it-reasoned
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@felipejoys · (edited)
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> it would actually require loads of creativity. Something AI lack.

> But at the same time it would be so easy to use AI as an "assistant"

By learning from people's writing styles, it could end up learning how to create interesting publications. It could look up trending topics from google, buffer them from news sites like bbc and cnn, spin those articles, adapt them to writing styles of different authors, then post them on steemit.

In my opinion, this is not even hard to do - nor it would actually require artificial intelligence, although it could get beefed up with some.

However, I'm not convinced social media will be dominated by AI simply because it's a lot cheaper to employ humans instead in this case.

Last but not least, here's a video of [MarI/O - Machine Learning for Video Games, by SethBling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @felipejoys

> By learning from people's writing styles, it could end up learning how to create interesting publications. 

Indeed. But that  may be still difficult. 

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that it can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way? I can forsee this industry (social media) being dominated by those who use AI to support their work. And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction.

ps.
Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@felipejoys ·
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> Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way?

I can see people using "bot comments" to fool the competition into thinking people want their products a certain way when they actually don't, therefore ruining their business by tricking them into pushing a product that won't sell.

But I don't see how realistic bot comments will make a person make money. People who earn with engagement need humans to do that, not bots. They want customer leads, monetization through ads, sample real opinions through polls, upvotes when it comes to steemit, etc.
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for amazing reply @felipejoys :)

> It could look up trending topics from google, buffer them from news sites like bbc and cnn, spin those articles, adapt them to writing styles of different authors, then post them on steemit.

It sounds easy, but I am not sure if it is so in fact. Such algorithm would need to somehow understand the meaning of the words in order to manage them properly, as it should change words in the article without changing the context. Obviously it could just use synonyms, but I think it would be not enough.

In order to make the text sound naturally, it would need to have some sort of intuition. I am not think if it is possible with the current level of AI development. 

> Last but not least, here's a video of MarI/O - Machine Learning for Video Games, by SethBling

That's really interesting, thank you for sharing.
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@felipejoys · (edited)
> It sounds easy, but I am not sure if it is so in fact.

The fakenews below was written by an AI:

> “Hillary Clinton and George Soros are a perfect match, and their agenda appears to be to create a political movement where Soros and his political machine and Clinton are two of the only major players. This is the first time Soros and Clinton have been caught on tape directly colluding in promoting the same false narrative. One of the key revelations in the leaked audio was Clinton's admission to a Russian banker that she knew about the Uranium One deal before it was approved by Congress. Clinton was shown sharing the same talking points that were originally drafted by a Fusion GPS contractor hired by an anti-Trump Republican donor. The leaked audio is the clearest evidence yet that the Clinton campaign and the Hillary Foundation colluded with Fusion GPS to manufacture propaganda against President Trump.”

[The AI Text Generator That's Too Dangerous to Make Public](https://www.wired.com/story/ai-text-generator-too-dangerous-to-make-public/)

I only just came across this article, but it reflects my previous comment.
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@gabbynhice ·
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I am 100% percent shareing the opinion of Elen Musk to be honest. 
There will be no happy ending of this story for sure. But hope this is still far. Or somehow we should manage this. 

Example i dont know 😂 Maybe to use a fingerprint and voice password or i dont know😁 

But to be honest i am really not happy for this whole AI stuff. 

By the way steem is starting to became more and more investment friendly crypto. I think nowdays the posts are not that much important that before for steem. If i just check how much money they wager every day in the new apps and i compare it with the posts pay out i dont know. 

I hope we stay far from all these AI stuff  but if not there is always another option how to manage. The human brain is still much better than the computers in many ways. But we just use a very small percent of that😉

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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @gabbynhice

> I hope we stay far from all these AI stuff but if not there is always another option how to manage. 

Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
Piotr
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@elektropunkz ·
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AI can be like watching a train on its road to destruction, i also am a firm believer that once ‘skynet’ becomes self aware, humanity is fucked. Musk says about the same thing, but (i think it was in his talk with joe rogan) where he also stated that we are still on the crossroad, it can still go in two directions, and otherwise, i think we should merge ... if you can’t beat them, join them. Musk btw also stated that they are very far into introducing new developed tech .... 

Further i’d like to add @crypto.piotr that ai is already a lot further then many people realize .... and there are several blockchain based projects busy with it ... one of them, who recently published a very interesting and amazing article for usage of their blockchain based ai and medical .... https://medium.com/@matrixainetwork/what-the-tech-matrix-ai-server-medical-diagnosis-services-f6146971f164
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @elektropunkz	

> AI can be like watching a train on its road to destruction

Thats quite a gloomy view of our future. 

Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

Also big thx for that link.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@heartwalk ·
I agreed with you
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@neavvy ·
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Thank you for your reply @gabbynhice!

> Example i dont know 😂 Maybe to use a fingerprint and voice password or i dont know😁

This is at leas some conception :)

> By the way steem is starting to became more and more investment friendly crypto. I think nowdays the posts are not that much important that before for steem.

That's true. Also the price of Steem has increased by 28% during recent 7 days. Incredible.

> I hope we stay far from all these AI stuff but if not there is always another option how to manage. The human brain is still much better than the computers in many ways. But we just use a very small percent of that😉

To be honest it is still much better than any computer in the world. If it comes to mathematical operations and remembering a lot of data we are maybe behind, but I think it will take a long time before computer achieve our level of creativity and consciousness :)
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@gabbynhice ·
Yep i hope that the price will grow in the near future but i am afraid that many people start to cash out they money if that happens. We will need much more dapss to keep the price in a good level.

And yes this is our advantage the creativity. And i am 100% sure as a part of evolution we will be always better and better. 
I really dont want to live in a world like in the movie Terminator😂 
So even i am worry to be honest because of these new kind of robots with AI but i am sure we as a humans we always find a solution to manage this. Sometimes lil bit later but we make it😊

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@generator78 ·
Dear @ crypto.piotr

I thank you for your support and your kind transfer.

In responding to you,
I assure you that I have noticed that several accounts have earned a lot of thousand dollars in short time and I was convinced that they are using incorrect methods.

But what worries me the most is that the makers of the social networks of which '' STEEMIT '' are sparing no effort to open investigations and consequently take measures to stop this type of illegal behavior.

I feel that these people are happy and rich for these platforms

so it's as if these thoughtful networks were created to create robots and generate money from the efforts of real people that produces a continuous and considerable effort

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@crypto.piotr ·
Great comment buddy

Thanks for dropping by @generator78 and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Cheers, Piotr
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@neavvy ·
Sorry for such a late reply but I missed your comment somehow in this jungle of comments haha :)

> I assure you that I have noticed that several accounts have earned a lot of thousand dollars in short time and I was convinced that they are using incorrect methods.

Which accounts do you mean?

> But what worries me the most is that the makers of the social networks of which '' STEEMIT '' are sparing no effort to open investigations and consequently take measures to stop this type of illegal behavior.

That's true. When someone possess a lot of Steem Power he is almost untouchable on this platform. On the other side, when someone has not a lot of SP he can be easily destroyed.
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@globocop · (edited)
***AI is a weapon*** in, wait: The Spiritual War we are in, whose declared goal it is to replace/eliminate human beings in their current (DNA) form BECAUSE we are made in the image of God. It is a complex subject, but not that difficult to understand once we comprehend Genesis 6:1-4, the Book of Enoch, etc. 

Here is an interesting article, referring to a statement made by ***HUGO DE GARIS***, here just mentioned as an expert. De Garis presented the most complete presentation of what it means: *"A.I. will be 'billions of times' smarter than humans and man needs to merge with it.* 

His presentation at Branson's Transhumanism Conference, which aired on MSP Waves last year was historic! I am happy to re-air on VIMM if interest is signaled. Note, Hugo de Garis is not (yet) a Christian.
  
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/13/a-i-will-be-billions-of-times-smarter-than-humans-man-and-machine-need-to-merge.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain
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@crypto.piotr ·
Great comment buddy

Thanks for dropping by @globocop and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Cheers, Piotr
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@globocop ·
Hello Piotr,

here choosing this thread in reply to your comment on Jane's passing. 
No, have not given up on Steemit. 
Grieving and mourning are taking precedence over posting. Just now, it's reading/commenting rather than posting. It is a journey that will take time.

Thank you for your comment on my last post!
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for sharing this article @globocop, it is really interesting. 

> A.I. will be 'billions of times' smarter than humans and man needs to merge with it.

I think this statement is true, although it is not easy to accept :)
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@globocop ·
Well, the expert Hugo de Garis disagreess. Yes, AI WILL BE billions of times faster, but it/transhumanists need to be destroyed, lest they/it will destroy us. I have his original presentation. His notes are also public on his website.
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@greencross ·
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> That would surely be still quite difficult to achieve. To create interesting publication -> it would actually require loads of creativity. Something AI lack.

I recommend you checking https://archillect.com/ it's basically an AI that scouts the net in search of visually appealing images and videos. It has a taste of it's own.

I also recommend checking https://deepjazz.io/ for reconsidering about AI's creativity.

All in all no one creates anything nowadays, [everything is a remix](https://www.everythingisaremix.info/), so AI are fostering their creativity by ultimately copying, mashing up and rendering what has already been done. Just like us :) 😁✌

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@crypto.piotr ·
Thanks for dropping by @greencross and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Also big thx for sharing that link with us. Will check it our right away :)

Cheers, Piotr
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@greencross ·
You are very welcome, and no worries about the late reply :)

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@neavvy ·
Thank you for sharing those super interesting links @greencross. I am definitely going to check them out :)
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@greencross ·
you are welcome! @neavvy

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@happyme · (edited)
>  (I've seen people replying to them, thinking those accounts belong to humans).

I have responded to accounts that I knew were bots with the hope that the human BEHIND the bot reads the comment, so I wouldn't necessarily say that all responses to bots are because people are being fooled.

BTW @crypto.piotr, you asked me to let you know when I post anything about Steem... I just did.
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@crypto.piotr ·
I'm very sorry for such a late reply @happyme

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

> you asked me to let you know when I post anything about Steem... I just did.

Perhaps in the future you can send me memo with 2-3 sentences about your post + link ? What do you think? Otherwise it's so easy to miss your new publications.

Cheers
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@happyme ·
I actually check my replies more often than I check my wallet, so for me, the replies are the place to get noticed.
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@neavvy ·
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Thank you for your comment @happyme!

> I have responded to accounts that I knew were bots with the hope that the human BEHIND the bot reads the comment

I was also doing that, but unfortunately I have never got any reply.
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I've had no reply from humans as well. Not everyone is diligent about checking their in-box for replies and some blockchain interfaces make it difficult to know which have been read and which have not. When Steemit.com was down due to the DDOS attack just recently, I used Steeve to check my account and I found all my replies looked the same, unlike Steemit.com, who bold unread replies. With bolded responses, I can easily scroll through and see which I have read and which are unread. I'm able to then not miss any opportunity to reply to my responses as appropriate.
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@ikkelins ·
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I believe so you know @crypto.piotr the developments of Artificial Intelligence is accelerating rapidly and even though it is still in  a very young stage i believe it would take up most industries with its products and not only within the social industry. Let's hope they don't build robots to take up our jobs also lol. 

Yours Ikkelins.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thanks for dropping by @ikkelins and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Cheers, Piotr
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@ikkelins ·
No worries man ;)

Cheers too hahaha
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your comment @ikkelins

> it is still in a very young stage i believe it would take up most industries with its products and not only within the social industry.

It definitely will, but social industry is in my opinion among the most dangered ones.

> Let's hope they don't build robots to take up our jobs also lol.

I have recently written an article about that. [Here you can check it out.](https://steemit.com/steemstem/@neavvy/our-fear-of-artificial-intelligence-is-it-reasoned)
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@ikkelins ·
that's great man @neavvy i would have a look at this article too :)
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@jbgarrison72 ·
The bottom line is "value." Does AI and/or AI-assisted content provide "value?"
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @jbgarrison72!

> Does AI and/or AI-assisted content provide "value?"

Not yet definitely. But once strong AI is developed, it may occur that it provides more value than human-made content!
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@jbgarrison72 ·
The key is that humans decide the value... unless we start designing AI's to consume as well as create.
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@josecito ·
Interesante, en lo personal me encanta la ciencia ficción, y con respecto al post, recuerdo que muchos escritos en el pasado anunciaron sobre inventos que aparecieron siglos después. Me encanta este post.
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@neavvy ·
Actually I do not understand Spanish @josecito :) (I used Google translator)

Thank you very much. I am really glad you enjoyed the article.
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@juanmolina ·
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Hi dear @crypto.piotr.

Obviously talking about AI is and will be something fascinating. It's like being able to touch the future. Touch it literally.

With AI, the future stops being a hypothesis to become a thesis.

But I want to make a reflection that I can not stop bringing up. And it is motivated to a "catastrophic" phenomenon that we have just experienced in my country.

Venezuela has just suffered a Total Blackout. Zero electric power throughout the territory.

Regardless of the reasons that caused it, I can tell you that what I experienced made me remember that movie where Will smith remains only in a post apocalyptic city.

All the AI ​​that we can develop, no matter how great we manage to do it, will be nothing without a supply of sustainable electric power.

Efforts should be channeled to develop IA with the intention of developing a self-sustaining power supply.

With AI you can study the electrical consumption patterns of a city and make the necessary adjustments to optimize the distribution.

Thank you @neavvy for bringing us this alienating theme.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @juanmolina

Amazing comment. As always!

> Venezuela has just suffered a Total Blackout. Zero electric power throughout the territory.

That news seem to shock most of developed countries. Seriously I dont think anyone ever expected that things could go so wrong in country, which isn't a warzone area.

Thx for sharing your view on that topic.

Yours
Piotr
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@julianhorack ·
In South Africa we have been going through 5 hours of blackouts a day, divided into two periods of 2.5 hours each, morning and evening. Solar panels and battery help but may be costly. Internet goes out, water pumps stop pumping on the farm so no drinking water. At least we can prepare and it is temporary. Not as bad as you guys though...yet.
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@juanmolina ·
So it seems that you also suffer with the supply of energy.
But I imagine that those cuts of yours are programmed. Here everything happens without warning.
By the time I am writing this message, a blackout has just occurred in almost the entire national territory. More than 57% of Internet users were without service.

The government already attributed the blackout to an attack of the political right.
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @juanmolina!

> It's like being able to touch the future. Touch it literally.

Indeed, well said :)

> Venezuela has just suffered a Total Blackout. Zero electric power throughout the territory.

I have heard about that. Really terrible.

> Efforts should be channeled to develop IA with the intention of developing a self-sustaining power supply.

I think this possibility of unplugging the power supply may be the only form of control over AI in opinion of many people. Equipping AI with a self-sustaining power supply would be definitely great for the AI itself, but I think it would cause a lot of concerns among the society (even if there are already plenty of them).

Anyway, something should be done in order to decentralize the electric industry and enable people to produce their own electricity. Right now, when electricity is centralized we are constantly at risk of such situations. Maybe blockchain is a solution?

> With AI you can study the electrical consumption patterns of a city and make the necessary adjustments to optimize the distribution.

That's really great idea, worth implementing.
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@julianhorack · (edited)
Thanks for alerting me to this post Piotr, have upvoted, it is a very interesting topic. Apparently AI does actually compile articles posted online already and has gone further than just making notes. To be honest we don't really know who is a bot and who is human any more, even here on Steemit. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more bots and bot writers than we imagine. The reality is shifting in our generation it seems.
Once machine learning is perfected, machines will teach themselves and learn faster than we can. There will be a time of a tipping point where AI becomes exponentially more powerful than the human mind, even in creating written articles for blogs like Steemit. I'm sure of it. 

The weird thing is that AI could be writing articles (true or fake news) and posting them online, only to be picked up by other AI who then write added articles so that one sets off the other in a spiral along some strange path far from reality on the ground simply because the AI algos are in a feedback loop with each other.

Something like this caused one of the biggest stock market crashes, perhaps in the 1980s, where algo bot traders reacted to other bot traders on the other side of America and caused each other to trigger a massive selloff, crashing the stock market, so this kind of thing can get really out of hand, before correcting. Elon Musk may have been right to be worried about AI.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @julianhorack

> Apparently AI does actually compile articles posted online already and has gone further than just making notes. 

It doesnt really surprise me.

Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

> I wouldn't be surprised if there are more bots and bot writers than we imagine. 

You may be right. Perhaps social media is dying industry (for humans). Hard to tell.

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that AI can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way? I can forsee this industry (social media) being dominated by those who use AI to support their work. And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
Piotr
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@julianhorack ·
Good to hear from you @crypto.piotr I would personally not be able to tell if the odd AI comment came up in my posts, except those that label themselves as such, which we get sometimes from Dapps for example. 

Because of this, I like to be very personalized, and sometimes the best way to do that is by a video blog of myself, so you can see it's me, a human. Probably even those can be faked in time to come.
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@julianhorack ·
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I see you used a repeated generic comment here. I do read much of the comments so see your AI side coming out @crypto.piotr. I guess that's how you do so much correspondence. 400+ comments to answer as a social media professional must keep you busy hey?
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your amazing reply @julianhorack

> To be honest we don't really know who is a bot and who is human any more, even here on Steemit. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more bots and bot writers than we imagine. 

That's right. And unfortunately there are more and more bots over social media.

> Something like this caused one of the biggest stock market crashes, perhaps in the 1980s, where algo bot traders reacted to other bot traders on the other side of America and caused each other to trigger a massive selloff, crashing the stock market, so this kind of thing can get really out of hand, before correcting

Wow, that's really interesting, I haven't known about this stock market crash in 1980s. But yes, such scenario is very likely in the social media are, so differencing the fake news will be virtually impossible.
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@juliocesar7 ·
Para mi IA es algo reciente, por este motivo me he tomado el tiempo de investigar sobre este concepto, me impresiona lo extenso del contenido en este interesante tema, sin duda alguna el futuro ya está en nuestro presente.
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@neavvy ·
Yes, AI is definitely a very interesting topic @juliocesar7 :)
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@juliocesar7 ·
Thank you friend @neavvy.
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@justinchicken ·
I think ai is pretty scary for the near future, even more there's so many automated bots and stuff appearing, even in daily life, with companies big data, dodgy phone scams etc. But in the long term, I think it'll be great. 
There's a YouTuber called Fraser Cain who reports on astronomy /space news and he's off the opinion that robots will spread around the galaxy, not humans. After all, a human life span is short, but robots have no trouble waiting the thousands of years it will take to travel to other star systems, they don't need oxygen, they can resist some degree of radiation etc. 
If humans ever get to that technological level, uploading their minds into computers will be the way to go. But, first we have to prevent the destruction of everything by human pollution then we can worry about the future of ai

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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your amazing reply @justinchicken

> he's off the opinion that robots will spread around the galaxy, not humans. After all, a human life span is short, but robots have no trouble waiting the thousands of years it will take to travel to other star systems, they don't need oxygen, they can resist some degree of radiation etc.

Very interesting point of view. I think he is right, there is actually no point in sending humans into space in my opinion :)

> But, first we have to prevent the destruction of everything by human pollution

That's definitely true. Firstly we need to take care of our planet :)
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@krischik ·
> I wasnt aware that speach recognition is giving AI so much trouble. Interesting ...

Main problem that computer have is error correction. Humans are pretty good at error correction and even when a significant part of the communication is lost, way by background noice, a human can still understand.

Same for colour vision. We only have enough colour vision nerve ending in the centre of view to see in colour. Most of the colour you see is error (aka missing info) corrected in.

Computer can't do that. They need the source information in much better quality then humans.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @krischik

> Main problem that computer have is error correction. Humans are pretty good at error correction

I never actually thought about it. Interesting point.

Thanks for dropping by and sharing your opinion. And I'm very sorry for such a late reply.

Have a great week ahead,

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@neavvy ·
Really interesting comment @krischik

> Same for colour vision. We only have enough colour vision nerve ending in the centre of view to see in colour. Most of the colour you see is error (aka missing info) corrected in.

I haven't known that. Thank you!
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@lightsplasher ·
It is a really interesting question.  I wrote an answer as part of my [daily actifit post.](https://steemit.com/actifit/@lightsplasher/actifit-lightsplasher-20190311t043618246z)  In brief, I don't think AI is that much of an issue for a social network like Steemit.
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@neavvy ·
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Thank you for your amazing reply @lightsplasher. I am going to read it now :)
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@lion200 ·
@neavvy thanks for sharing this interesting post. 
@crypto.piotr I see AI developing a lot in the near future but I don’t expect a huge impact of AI in social media. At least not in the coming couple of years. 

If you think about the social media, why it has grown so much in the past years... people post, share, like items to interact with other people. When I post something in SteemIt I am mostly interested in feedback from people who read it, giving their opinion which is based on a lot of complex factors like the environment they grew up, the family/relationship they had, the culture affecting this very personal and honest opinion. This is unreplaceable in my opinion.

In matters where we have human creation, imagination, emotion etc. I don’t think AI can come even near the level of the complexity of human way of thinking.

Sure, AI can have a more supportive role in social media. Can do a lot of prep work for an author or commenter by doing fast analysis about some topics. But the human blog post containing human feeling and emotions can simply not be created by AI. At least not now, to the best of my knowledge.

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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @lion200

> I see AI developing a lot in the near future but I don’t expect a huge impact of AI in social media. At least not in the coming couple of years.

You may be right.

> I don’t think AI can come even near the level of the complexity of human way of thinking.

That's true. But AI working as an "assistant" can easily fool many. Just the way bots did on instagram and facebook in the past. It took years for people to learn how to recognize bot. It will be even harder to recognize combination of account run by human + AI.

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that AI can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way? I can forsee this industry (social media) being dominated by those who use AI to support their work. And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@lion200 ·
Yes maybe an AI can produce some meaningful sentences about the discussion but if you look at what we are doing now... comment on comment on comment about various topics and subjects... don’t know if an AI come close to this. Time will tell I guess :)

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@neavvy ·
Thank you for you feedback @lion200 :)

> When I post something in SteemIt I am mostly interested in feedback from people who read it, giving their opinion which is based on a lot of complex factors like the environment they grew up, the family/relationship they had, the culture affecting this very personal and honest opinion.

That's 100% true. AI would need to analyze hundreds of thousand of comments in order to learn to simulate those complex factors and create something like "artificial circumstances". This is probably the only way it can liken to the human content creators and ensure this uniqueness of opinions.

> I don’t think AI can come even near the level of the complexity of human way of thinking.

Following its current development, even though it is exponential,  it will probably not. But we can't be sure that there will be no significant breakthrough in the future.

>  But the human blog post containing human feeling and emotions can simply not be created by AI. At least not now, to the best of my knowledge.

I fully agree with this statement :)
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@littlenewthings ·
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> Personally I'm worried and quite convinced, that within few years from now social media (as an industry) will be dominated by users supported by AI.

I personally feel..... In the weirdest ways... it has already begun.... Look at those _propaganda_ skewed comments... sometimes it really do not sound like an organic troll on a certain _skewed_ comment on certain issues.... 

Which is specially set to misled public (humans) reading...
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@crypto.piotr ·
You may be right @littlenewthings.

It has already begun. Are we doomed? :) Hope not :)

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@neavvy ·
Which "propaganda skewed comments" do you mean @littlenewthings?
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@lucycohete ·
It really scares the I A, because if it depends on what wl human being wants to do with it, we are lost, everything always ends badly. But the truth is I do not think we'll see it, I do not think we'll have so much time on this earth to see it.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thanks for dropping by @lucycohete and sharing your thoughts with us. And I'm sorry that it took me so long to read and reply to your comment. 

Also big thx for sharing that link with us. Will check it our right away :)

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@crypto.piotr ·
Solid comment!

I'm very sorry for such a late reply @equipodelta

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

Cheers
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@neavvy ·
Very saddening comment @lucycohete. You are right, we cannot predict how AI is going to behave, because we don't know the level of its development in the future.

> I do not think we'll have so much time on this earth to see it.

If not the AI, what do you think will end our species on this planet?
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The end is always the beginning of the end!
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@lucycohete ·
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Funny, I never thought that my answer had any sadness, it must be because I am a deeply happy person, but my happiness does not depend on this world.
As for your question, the end of humanity and this earth, is written, predestined from eternity and we are seeing it with our own eyes, human beings always want to accredit us for everything, also with certainty of the end, but as we do. It had no part of its creation, nor of its end, no matter how much we try to destroy and collapse our planet.

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@marvyinnovation ·
@neavvy, 

Please don't think my comment as off-topic because the moment I read your question, my mind gave me the answer instantaneously! 

With or without AI, my answer remains the same. 

Our species will meet its end at the hand of "Our Species".

Yes Sir, you read it right.  That's my answer.....

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@majes.tytyty ·
This is a very interesting and thought-provoking post. And very well written, too!

I largely agree with Piotr, in that creating interesting and well-written published works would require a certain level of creativity – which AI does not have now, and which AI is not likely to attain.
 
AI will make great advances in the coming years, but it's highly unlikely that AI will come close to equalling the reasoning, the sensibility, the understanding, or the creativity of humans. 

While AI can beat us in a "word search" of a document and even beat your Flappy Bird score, there are many things that AI will not be able to do. At least, for a long time, and possibly forever.

Take those self-driving cars that Tesla and others are trying to develop. For any driver, there's just too much going on – too much to focus on and too much to be peripherally aware of – for an AI to absorb and process all that info. A human mind can do so, after practicing for months and years, but I seriously doubt that an AI will ever learn to drive. Except on rails, but we already have trains. :-)

As Piotr stated, for many tasks, AI will not replace us, but only become our "assistants." Not our "chaufeurs."
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@crypto.piotr ·
I'm very sorry for such a late reply @majes.tytyty

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

Cheers
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@marvyinnovation ·
Hi @majes.tytyty, 

You are right, but..... 

"...... there are many things that AI will not be able to do. At least, for a long time, and possibly forever."

......the thing is that we can't say this for sure and there is a 50-50 possibility of AI overtaking us human beings is in the offing. But again not sure when this may happen!

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@neavvy ·
> ......the thing is that we can't say this for sure and there is a 50-50 possibility of AI overtaking us human beings is in the offing. But again not sure when this may happen!

That's exactly what I mean @marvyinnovation. AI is developing so fast and unexpectedly that even experts can't be sure :)
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@neavvy · (edited)
> And very well written, too!

Thank you @majes.tytyty! I really appreciate that.

> AI will make great advances in the coming years, but it's highly unlikely that AI will come close to equalling the reasoning, the sensibility, the understanding, or the creativity of humans.

I generally agree with you. AI is definitely a great tool, but it still lacks of many things that would be crucial to perform things like writing articles or translating complicated content. I think it is a matter whether you believe that AI some day will achieve the level of our brain or not. We can probably develop it endlessly and it will be better and better in performing a function of useful tool, but without any breakthrough AI will not be able to do these things on a human level.

And nobody can say for sure if this breakthrough will happen :)
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@master-set ·
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I think that AI is a great tool and more the better
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@neavvy · (edited)
You are right @master-set, as a tool it is definitely amazing :)
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@mcnestler ·
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Hi @crypto.piotr
great to see/hear from you. I was not really active lately but came back :)
In my opinion you don't have to be scared AI dominating social media. In my opinion the concept of social media is that people can connect with other human beeings, sharing their interests, ideas and having great conversations. AI might join social media, but people might leave and find something else. Because the true benefit is that you can exchange personal realtionsships.
It may happen that people will have more face to face contact again. 

I hope you are doing good!
Best,
M
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @mcnestler

> In my opinion the concept of social media is that people can connect with other human beeings, sharing their interests, ideas and having great conversations.

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that it can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Would you be able to "compete" with users who build their engagement that way? I can forsee this industry (social media) being dominated by those who use AI to support their work. And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction.

ps.
Great comment. Thank you and sorry for such a late reply. Finally I'm catching up with Steemit (past few days has been very busy and messy).

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@mcnestler ·
> And "regular joe" will have very little chances to gain any traction

haha that comment made my day :)
you are totally right, but I think in case AI dominates the social media another thing will evolve.
Maybe platforms that detect AI and will not give permission. Old platforms might integrate it or will slowly die out, but that is our economy.
Thank you for your reply, I appreciate your thoughts.
Cheers,
M
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @mcnestler!

> I was not really active lately but came back :)

I'm glad to hear that :)

> It may happen that people will have more face to face contact again.

That's interesting and very probable scenario. People indeed may leave social media if they will no longer be able to recognize human from AI. However, this would be the end of Steem...
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for this amazing comment @crypto.piotr!

> I wasnt aware that speach recognition is giving AI so much trouble. Interesting ...

Well, I rather meant that understanding the context and interpreting what was said is a problem for algorithms. Only a few months ago Google Assistant has achieved this level of advancement that it is able to for example make a phone call to a hairdresser and make an appointment. And this is considered as a huge breakthrough after a long time of development, so I suppose it is really problematic.

> To create interesting publication -> it would actually require loads of creativity. Something AI lack.

I agree. Most likely such publications would be just "dry".

> But at the same time it would be so easy to use AI as an "assistant". It could easily learn our writing style, analyze content on Steemit and dro short but valuable comments. That would absolutely fool majority of people out there.

I haven't thought about that, but it is really probable scenario. Many users would probably use such bots without any remorse in order to gain bigger influence and audience. And you are right, many users, especially newbies will never notice that something is wrong.

The worst thing is that such bots would be extremely hard to detect for cleaning-bot like @cheetah, as they would not produce similar content that violates the rules of spam on this platform.
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@crypto.piotr ·
I'm very sorry for such a late reply @neavvy

I just had a chance to read your comment. Past few days has been quite crazy but I'm finally slowly catching up with work.

Cheers
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@norat23 ·
I can not comment because I do not understand much of this.
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@lightsplasher ·
You just commented, lol. 😁
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@neavvy ·
It's hard to argue @lightsplasher haha
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@neavvy ·
No problem @norat23 :)
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@nurseanne84 ·
Think of it this way Piotr, people create articles based on the popular tags in steemit and, ends up with a lot of disappointed readers because, as you have been saying before, in the creativity front, our audience needed to relate to us and to the stories in an emotional level.

Well, perhaps AI can be delegated as an "assistant" . Perhaps having AI dominating the social media especially the facebook is a great idea because, I am really tired of seeing some of my friends post "selfies" of them that a part of me kept thinking, they wanted to spam me.

Only- they do not know what spam is in the first place! So,I can't really condemn them to a something they do not have any prior knowledge.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ECtLJKdGj8jfy/giphy.gif
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @nurseanne84

> perhaps AI can be delegated as an "assistant" . Perhaps having AI dominating the social media especially the facebook is a great idea because,

Wow. That's very unique approach.

Thank you for your comment and I'm sorry for such a late reply. Past several days have been very messy and I didn't have enough time to do my work on Steemit.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
Piotr
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @nurseanne84!

> I am really tired of seeing some of my friends post "selfies" of them that a part of me kept thinking, they wanted to spam me.

Haha, AI definitely will not post any selfie :)

I love this Donald Duck gif :)
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@nurseanne84 ·
No worries. Is this your new username- @neavvy? why did you chose this name?
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@petermarie ·
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Hey Piotr,
Thanks for calling my attention to this very intriguing topic!

Truth is, though AI may seem not to have the necessary levels of creativity to achieve certian things right now, it most certainly could in a few short years. We humans tend to put on airs and believe our brains too sophisticated to recreate electronically, but is that truly the case? Is AI bound to be as cold and unemotional as most persons believe?

There are already countless speculative articles on how quantum computing will revolutionalize AI and I agree! As that field grows past its infancy, it may bring so much more computing power to reality that AI could be 'programmed' to have the electronic equivalent of emotions, which is all it really needs to be creative. Forget analysing the writing styles of humans... with that, it could very well create its own. And then, it could create articles on trending topics. Not that far fetched.

But then, I wouldn't expect this just yet. Technology is growing in leaps and bounds, but this would require quite the quantum leap.

Uh oh... I just said *quantum*.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @petermarie

> Thanks for calling my attention to this very intriguing topic!

Thanks for dropping by and sharing your opinion. And I'm very sorry for such a late reply.

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your comment @petermarie :)

> Is AI bound to be as cold and unemotional as most persons believe?

Well, it is only a matter of whether we will be able to recreate human brain electronically. If so, I think AI may become as emotional as humans :)

> But then, I wouldn't expect this just yet. Technology is growing in leaps and bounds, but this would require quite the quantum leap.

I 100% agree. AI area grows exponentially, but it is not enough. We probably need some significant breakthrough in order to achieve this level. Quantum computers may be the point.

> Uh oh... I just said quantum.

haha ;)
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@ronel ·
I'm not worried about AI.
Its controlled by human and not controlled by AI itself.
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@neavvy ·
Interesting approach @ronel, but I think this situation will most likely change in the future. And we need to be prepared for it. Additionally, AI is a powerful tool and there are many humans that may want to use it for destructive purposes...
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@ronel ·
When we talk of destructive purposes, there are a lot more and much more destructive stuffs.
Anything could be used for good or for bad.

If we think ahead as negative, we loss control of our purpose.
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@royer94 ·
Very interesting post dear @crypto.piotr

Posted using [Partiko iOS](https://steemit.com/@partiko-ios)
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@neavvy ·
Thank you @royer94 :)
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@sevendust04 ·
$0.02
Thanks @crypto.piotr for sending me the link to read your reply.  I find AI to be a fascinating subject.  I too am worried that the more sophisticated that AI becomes in a setting like STEEM, the more it will be used for cheating purposes rather than helpful purposes, such being the greed of many.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts with us @sevendust04

I appreciate, Piotr
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @sevendust04 :)

> the more it will be used for cheating purposes rather than helpful purposes, such being the greed of many.

That's definitely serious danger. Greed is something that controls people.
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@super-grand-ad · (edited)
Hi @crypto.piotr - From - @super-grand-ad

Thank you for the .002 and Wallet Note  and invite 
To air my view on @neavvy above post - ( Followed @neavvy )
Great Post - 
Q1 - Why do we even need machine learning? - 
Ans1 - Thats Simple - ManKind  is Lazy & Greedy.
If he can find a Fast and Lazy Way to Make an Income. 
Mankind will indever to use every means at his disposel. 
For the good or bad. Thinking he's making it better for everyone.
Before you say it, Yes I know, not all mankind thinks that way 
But they are in the minority, the proverb 
( The meek shell inherit the earth ? ) 
Was a brain washing  propergander tatic to stop Mankind 
Searching for any truth, set by thoes in charge as a way of controll.
So AI was and is enevitable, in all and any form.

If you Belive that  - 

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Wanna know how to do the same ? 
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Run your ipfs Daemon and click the link below

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Have a good day from @super-grand-ad -
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thank you for your comment @super-grand-ad

And also sorry for such a late reply. Just wanted to let you know that I only had a chance to read your comment now and I appreciate you being so responsive.

Cheers, Piotr
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As far as I can tell, Siri, Cortana, and Google Assistant collectively don’t have the intelligence to compete with my two year old.  I have far more meaningful chats with the baby than I can with any of these robots.   

I know the day will come when chatting with a robot is more satisfying than with our fellow humans, but we are not there yet.  For the moment, I’m choosing the two year old over some distant robotic big brother whose responses are all so predictable.
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@crypto.piotr ·
hi @swissclive

I didn't hear from you in a while. I'm glad you're still around :)

> I have far more meaningful chats with the baby than I can with any of these robots.

That's true. But all those AI can collect, analyze and transfer data very fast and this is real issue here. We won't be able to compete with anything that isn't creative. Creativity is our only advantage. 

Cheers
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your reply @swissclive :)

> I have far more meaningful chats with the baby than I can with any of these robots.

Yes, voice assistants aren't unfortunately well developed yet.

> For the moment, I’m choosing the two year old over some distant robotic big brother whose responses are all so predictable.

Thats really great decision. I suppose that taking with your child will always be more satisfying choice :)
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@thelogicaldude ·
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There are some things about AI that really concern me, but I feel that we are still a LONG way off from being in an iRobot kind of world where the robots will take over. I mean, have you used Siri, or any of the other "voice helpers"? LOL. I am not worried, YET... LOL. As far as writing their own articles, I mean I can see where that will one day be possible, but I think that for a LONG time, you will seriously be able to tell if a computer wrote an article or if a human did. Like you can tell when instructions on a chinese product are Google translated, lol, it is completely obvious. So in my mind the only way that the machines can take over, is if the sheep of the world stay asleep and let it happen and don't actually try to think for themselves. THAT IS WHAT I AM WORRIED MOST ABOUT! The human species becoming the AI and doing whatever their TV programming or mainstream social media group tells them to do.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @thelogicaldude

> you will seriously be able to tell if a computer wrote an article or if a human did

I'm not worried about AI posting articles. What worries me that it can analyze articles and be used as a support to build engagement. By posting short comments, but comments related to discussed topic. Comments that look genuine. 

I bet most people would not be able to recognize 2-3 sentences in their comment section posted by AI. Wouldn't you agree?

Great comment. Thank you and sorry for such a late reply. Finally I'm catching up with Steemit (past few days has been very busy and messy).

Have a great week ahead,

Yours
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for amazing reply @thelogicaldude

> So in my mind the only way that the machines can take over, is if the sheep of the world stay asleep and let it happen and don't actually try to think for themselves.

That's really big problem. In my opinion mass media and internet enabled a enormous ability to manipulate and control people around the world. And this situation can only get worse in the future. For example, there are already plenty of examples of winning elections  just because of successful campaign on social media, based on manipulating people.
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@yestermorrow ·
Humans have been obeying the TV for decades.. Check out the movie "Network".. :) 
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@neavvy ·
True @yestermorrow, but consider that there are constantly more and more ways of mass communication. 20 years ago it was only TV, while nowadays we also have all social media stuff..
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@wakeupkitty ·
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There are also people replying to bots for an other reason.. its not only because they think they are real humans. I forgot the reason given but it did made sense to me plus: a comment is a comments and you get points for it as well!

Bots are voting too. Also something you can question. Would a human being vote for the same post as the bot is doing in its name?

Face recognition is a big issue as well.

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@crypto.piotr ·
Those are very valid points @wakeupkitty

> it did made sense to me plus: a comment is a comments and you get points for it as well!

Bots already are doing simple commands. Imagine how much "easier" it will be for those who will use AI to build their presence on social media. Those that will not be using AI will probably not be able to "compete".

Cheers
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@neavvy ·
Thank you for your constant support @wakeupkitty :) 

> Bots are voting too. Also something you can question. Would a human being vote for the same post as the bot is doing in its name?

Bots are definitely not developed enough to properly evaluate content. The best example of that is the biggest Steem communities like Utopian-io or Steemstem still using human curators in order ot evaluate content.
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@wakeupkitty ·
Your welcome.
I hope people will vote themselves and our world will not change in what we see in 'Real human' etc

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@xyzashu ·
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If AI softwares can create relevant and interesting posts on Steem then we'll come full circle by reducing the mining back from Proof of Brain to Proof of Work algorithms. The ones who possess the best AI algorithm will mine more Steem ...leading to a new race for superior AI algos ...LOL!
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@crypto.piotr ·
Thanks for dropping by @xyzashu and sharing your thoughts with us.

Cheers, Piotr
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@neavvy ·
That's really terrifying scenario @xyzashu
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@ziapase ·
I can't write in Steem as usual, because it's "Flag" by @mack-bot & @cheetah.

so I will still resteem the posts from people "involved in the project @crypto.piotr..

Keep Smile 👏👏
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@crypto.piotr ·
dear @ziapase

any idea why those accounts are targeting you now?

Piotr
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@ziapase ·
Yeah, I already know !! 👏
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@neavvy ·
I couldn't make you comment visible even with my 100% vote :(

Anyway, thank you for your support @ziapase. I really appreciate that!
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@ziapase ·
yeah, if you write a quality post, let me know as you usually do, I will give you support 💕💕
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