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WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ON BOTS? Promotion tool or necessary evil? Let me share my personal view.
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![123.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcKMchdnF8PQuSR3QVWnhniNXnCCXnMjtn38GksYqSpG7/123.jpg) |    Lately I've spent number of hours trying to learn as much as possible about this very sensitive topic: STEEMIT BOTS. 
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## INTRODUCTION
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)

My goal was to find out if bots are indeed:

1) Profitable

2) How can we use them to maximize our benefits 

3) Mostly I wanted to know what is the steemit's community approach towards bots in general 

Some of you may already know @yabapmatt as he is behind very well know site (steembottracker.com). He clearly is very positive and encouraging towards using bots as one of very few ways for beginners (so called minnows) to get some traffic into their blog.
> "I am a big proponent and user of the various paid voting bots and services on the Steem platform. I think they provide a great service to minnows and new users by allowing us to get our posts out there and seen by more people and build our following."


https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@yabapmatt/introducing-the-steem-upvote-bot-tracker

From my personal experience it's pretty much not possible ever to hit a trending page without using bots. Most population of steemit users seem to be accepting the fact that bot's are a part of this platform and they are here to stay. But there are also many of those who are highly against bots usage and it's best to stay out of their radar.

@bloodviolet created a very informative post trying to answer one very simple question: "Voting bots - Good or Bad?"
https://steemit.com/steemit/@bloodviolet/voting-bots-good-or-bad
Conclusion is very strong: 
> "every big account used a bot at one point in time, especially in the beginning, and a decent percentage of accounts, even those with more then 100,000 followers, still use bots to increase their likes and comments. "

The truth is that amount of users using bots are only increasing. Which brings me to another big question:

## ARE USING BOTS EVEN PROFITABLE?
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)

Currently with very low price of SBD and STEEM using bots seem to be very unprofitable. At least that's my experience.

And what is the value of SBD? Will it increase? Let's say that SBD will be worth 10usd? @gmichelbkk has been trying to answer similar question some time ago.
He wrote once:  
>"Now that 1 SBD is valued at $10.82, would you like to know if using Steem upvote bots is still profitable? " 

It may be worth checking out:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@gmichelbkk/is-it-still-profitable-to-bid-for-steem-upvote-bots

I would also like you to check out @earthnation, who created lately very valuable post: "The Best and Most Profitable Bots on Steemit. 1/18/2018":
https://steemit.com/steem/@earthnation/the-best-and-most-profitable-bots-on-steemit-1-18-2018

In my honest opinion, it's already very hard to make any profit on using bots. The demand is quite high and supply isn't that huge. We all need to learn to post during peak hours but to use bots outside those peak hours? Sunday from my experience is always the best as amount of other bidders isn't as high as any other day.

I can hardly imagine how much harder things might get for bot users once the price of Bitcoin will increase and the value of SBD will also be much higher. 

## WHAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW ON BOTS?
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)

I found it really hard to profit alone on the usage of bots. With the current low value of STEEM and SBD it's hard to break even. It's hardly worth the time that will  be wasted. But we should not focus on earning rewards for ourselfs!

Today i would like everyone to change their point of view for a moment. Stop and look around. You will realize quickly that it is important to help your curators grow. There are many people out there who spent hours building engagement with others and receiving curation rewards. And they will very often be focusing on upvoting accounts with solid reward pool.

To put it simple: If you want people to auto-vote you, then you need to make sure that your rewards will be worth it. Use bots mostly to support your followers. And they will become very "loyal".

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmeNWNSXzYtTWXQZTAGoKyvZte5qF5tRXmoE3Nx1ToD7nf/obraz.png)  | How to do that? It's pretty simple: ![linia2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmNkUfbJnmMPHv9iZpgB9gGC76DB7j9yvXXgMdhdJpBLxV/linia2.png) Self-vote and use bots only 1 day after you publish your post. Give curators chance to upvote your post and just then use all possible resources to pump your paycheck. This way you will benefit your curators the most. 
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After all we're all "in it together". It's hard to become succesful on steemit as an individual. We all need to build and support community around us if we want to achieve any goals at all. 

## CONCLUSIONS 
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)

I quickly realized that Steemit is allowing me to target my audience very efficiently which allows me to get to know right people. But at the same time, the rewards system for being a curator is a joke. We end up looking for accounts like "haejin" to auto-vote them. 

It's very tempting to spend enough money on bots to boost your post until it will reach the trending page. I did it once and I got maybe 30-50 new followers, but almost no one new commented my post. So was it worth it? 

The answer is: not really. Mostly because I attracted the attention of some whale who downvoted me right away. I spoke to him later on and it turned out that there is strong community of whales playing a "steemit police" who tend to downvote trening posts if they noticed that bots were used to boost an article. Hell, I will stay away from trending page for as long as possible. Now I know it's not worth to get their attention.

It is very important for you guys to remember that lesson. Avoid trending page if you want to stay out of "steem-whales-police" radar.

## Why I care about your opinion?
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)

To tell you the truth, I dont care much about what other "whales" think. I know that I will never be able to please everyone. There will be always be someone out there who disagrees with me. 

### But at the same time I care about those who engage with my posts. I want to know what my followers think. At the end of the day, I worked very hard to build a solid follower base of people sharing similar interests and I would love to know what your view on bots are. Do you agree with my approach towards them? Please let me know.


## In addition;
![line2.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAVemyLyrhdD4VUxguqEmZ6oB8qJEY6oHT5Wx9Xc8723/line2.png)
Let me quote 2 of my steemit collegues:

> "I believe that in order to have a certain success on steemit you have two main strategies: Either you use bid-bots like a madman or you really bring people together and interact." - @achim03

> "Is a big whale vote on a shitty post just as bad as a vote bot vote on a shitty post.  If I don't have a whale friend and I make nice posts and want the world to see it... is a vote bot a bad thing?  Is the vote bot the problem or the greed?  " - @allcapsonezero

I hope to hear your thoughts, mostly about the part of "what's my view on bots?". It really matters to me to know what is your opinion on that subject. Subject that clearly divided STEEMIT like nothing else did.

Cheers
Piotr


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@abcgoodyabc · 
well. at least it is getting profits running around. it is good.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for your comment @abcgoodyabc

Cheers,
Piotr
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@achim03 · 
You once again managed to ask a very good question and thanks for quoting me ;-). Sorry but this will be long...

To answer the question, I would like to look at the reasons why we use bid-bots:

## What do we expect when using bid-bots?
- It increases the value of our posts
- It increases visibility because we get to the trending page
- It might increase the number of followers and comments
- It increases curative rewards for followers
- It might give a positive ROI

I try now to consider these aspects one by one:

### Value increase of the post
The increase of value of our posts thanks to bid-bots is only an advantage if the other aspects are actually fulfilled. 

### Increase of visibility
Figuring in the trending page can have a huge impact on the visibility of the post. To reach that however you need a big investment. If we only invest a couple of sbd we won't make it.

### Increase the number of followers and comments
As you pointed out in your post, you might get some new followers but few comments. I think that on steemit the only relationships that are here to last are among people who show a deep interest in each others work. Who upvote each other and comment on each others posts. The best way to do that is to make the first step and get interested in what somebody else does. Where would I look for somebody interesting? Maybe on the trending page? More surely I would pick people out from comments that they wrote on my posts or posts of my friends. 

### Increase curative rewards of followers
As long as a post has an inner value, there will be curative rewards for my followers. The value of these curative rewards is rather linked to the voting power of the person itself. If we draw a lot of bid-bots after a day, this curative reward might be higher but I wonder whether this is really worth it.

### ROI
So far whenever I used bid-bots my ROI was around zero or even negative. I don't know whether you had similar experiences? The additional upvotes that came from better visibility never managed to compensate that. 

## Conclusion
In my eyes there are very few real advantages in using bid-bots to develop your follower base and to make money on steemit. 

I haven't spoken about the negative aspects so far and part from often loosing money with bit-bots, we also encourage a not so nice aspect on steemit. We make sure that the biggest chunk of the reward pool flows back into the pokets of the people who already own tons of steem power.  

> Using bid-bots we make sure that most of the reward pool flows into the pockets of the ones delegating to the bid-bots

When we use bid-bots we pay them with sbd. The upvote on our posts comes however from the reward pool. So if we do not make even with bid-bot upvotes, this means that we pay more to them than what comes to us from the reward pool. It takes our money away to give to the people who delegated to the bots.
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@crypto.piotr · 
im very sorry for such a late reply @achim03

Somehow I've missed your comment. I dont know how did I missed it since it's like 2 pages long. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots.

> It increases curative rewards for followers

This is the most important reason to use bots. We all want our curators to continue upvoting our content. So we need to encourage them to do so.

> Increase of visibility

From my experience paying for resteeming bots can bring more traffic than being in trending page. 

> I think that on steemit the only relationships that are here to last are among people who show a deep interest in each others work. 

And again I completly agree.

> So far whenever I used bid-bots my ROI was around zero or even negative. I don't know whether you had similar experiences? 

Unfortunatelly it's hard to go above zero with current low SBD price. Let's wait till it will get back to 4usd. 


Amazing post @achim03. Thank you again!

Yours,
Piotr
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@achim03 · 
Hi @crypto.piotr,
Thanks for your reply. Honestly I can't blame you for not seeing my comment. What a post and what an interaction on this post! Almost 1500 upvotes and more than 400 comments. That's truly amazing but also a lot of work for you! Good job ;-)

Best regards
Achim
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@ade-greenwise · (edited)
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Hi guys and @crypto.piotr, ... bots or no bots, the value of good, or engaging content, is still the focus of this site. If you're dedicated to any platform/site, and utilise resources available to build a following (that is a 'real' one) then I think success or interest in your content/business will come. 

People scrutinise a lot the money-making aspect of Steemit, but I think it's pretty sound and development is geared towards providing a platform to build upon. Sure, you can build cases for things that are perhaps more negative than positive but your content may overcome them. Some people 'appear' to be v. successful but then fail to sustain it, or get bored of themselves. 

I think bots simply level the playing field a little.  It's actually similar to Youtube where people 'appear' to have tons of subscribers but actually have used sub4sub to get the first 500. People need a way to get started.


Steemit is interesting in that it's a reflection of society. It's an ecosystem, a convoluted one, where factors are intermingling: wallet power, content value, timing of when and how often you post, trending subjects, so... how much ROI will always be a tricky thing to calculate. And also... who cares? Only the people who choose to post about these things.

Have bots 'divided' steemit? No, not really. They've become a prominent feature, for those serious about their posts to gain exposure. But there are still the other ways, and options to support others, delegate, spread your votes around the ecosystem, or just manually support good posts/new users. 

There is a time limit on gaining rewards for your posts. Is it 30 mins? Only if you're counting. Most people are just using the site naturally as they want, intuitively, without thinking about money, ROI etc. They want to contribute.  This should be how the developers should continue to design and improve the site. The deeper tricks should only be minor tricks, which may not help you reach your destination better. But of course, startup money always helps! If everyone is using those tricks, and changing the nature of the site, then those tricks will have to be stopped. I think the community will recognise that time, when or if it comes.

Beyond that... time will tell. I mean, there are much more important things to focus on and discuss. Like, improving the usability and other options. There should be more categories for our own posts. There should be more profile features (without compromising data). There should be more wallet options for putting Steem to use, like contests, classifieds or services, location-based shops, donating to charity etc etc. 

Bots are not the exciting thing about Steem or Steemit. It's the transfer of wealth which is beginning online.

What things do you find frustrating when you use Steemit?  I'd like to see decentralised steem apps being integrated.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Wow. your reply blew my mind. thx buddy. i appreciate your time and effort.

I can tell that you have already your strong opinion about this topic. And reasonable one.

> I think bots simply level the playing field a little

agree

>  Like, improving the usability and other options

this is indeed one of serious issiues, that should be addressed asap.

> Bots are not the exciting thing about Steem or Steemit.

for many people this is very intensive topic :) 

> What things do you find frustrating when you use Steemit? 

complete lack of communication tools between steemit users is the most frustrating.
Would you agree?

cheers,
Piotr
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@ade-greenwise · 
no probs @crypto.piotr . re: communications tools: I just signed up for steemit.chat which looks ok. also steemauto.com is interesting tool, where you can schedule posts and follow curation trails.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you again @ade-greenwise for your amazing comment from the other day

Yours
Piotr
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@adelsz · 
The distribution of profits is unfair in steem
While the participation of 1000 dollars and more for one whale. Do not make a similar contribution a few cents .001 of the dollar
I wish to reduce the distances to be a reasonable difference so that we can convince others to join and join us at steem
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@adriatik ·
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You got upvoted from @adriatik bot! Thank you to you for using our service. We really hope this will hope to promote your quality content!
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@ajongcrypto · 
I'm only using bots to earn visibility of my posts and to grow my reputation. This usage doesnot always seem to be profitable as most people think. I remember one time i paid 2SBD for $1.73 upvote.

In my opinion, voting and resteem bots are neccesary to keep newbies and minnows in this community but the usage shouldn't be abused. 

People bid up 20SBD to a bot that has a minimum bid value of 0.25SBD which is meant to support newbies and minnows. This is bad and is and abuse. I don't support this action!
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@crypto.piotr · 
im very sorry for such a late reply @ajongcrypto

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots.

Yours,
Piotr
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@ajongcrypto · 
Anytime mate!
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@akazad ·
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@akazad · 
thanku #bdbot
👎  
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@alageraldine · 
Es tema que permita muchas inquietudes , hay muchas cosas a lo mejor que opinar, dependiendo de la forma como se ve, en realidad podría pasar muchos seguidores sin tener nada que ver con la cuenta, a lo mejor estar en una comunidad y esperar algo, o simplemente tener algo que hacer en ella,algunos no lo hacen por alcanzar algo, sin embargo están, que
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@alageraldine · 
se podrían encontrar diferentes formas de ver cual es el uso de la comunidad cuando solo tiene un solo fin para todos, pero realmente lo importante es lo que cada quien personalmente hace y quiere lograr siempre es bueno apoyarse y aceptar el aporte ,ideas y conocimientos de los expertos. me parece interesante el tema.
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@allcapsonezero · 
I am always up in the air on the topic.  I think the use of vote bots is good in that it evens the playing field.  If the playing field was not so skewed (and I think that is the real problem here) the use of bots would not be required.  When in Rome... When on steem... use bots.  

If you don't, it is like choosing to cut off your leg and run a marathon.
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@crypto.piotr ·
$0.03
I really value your posts about bots and the fact that you're sharing results of testing those bots. Great piece of work.

Each one of us is following loads of poeple but we can only upvote 10times a day. So we will select carefully our upvotes. And knowing that upvoting particular individual would bring some solid reward, most users will most likely choose to upvote his posts. That's just the way it is.

So I found it important to make sure that your posts bring some decent rewards. Otherwise I would risk losing some of my valuable curators.

There is very "real loyal followers". Im involved in social media marketing for over 2 years now and I've learned that most followers need to be rewarded for their time. One way or the other - authors need to find a way to reward their active followers. Otherwise they will lost most of them. That's the reality.

So right now we have 3 methods of benefiting your curators:
1) you engage back (the best option)
2) you upvote their content (you must have loads of SP to make it worth it)
3) you use bots  1 day after posting, to ensure that your curators are benefiting

Creating quality content is an amazing idea. But ist not enough. Curators will almost always upvote those posts, that will bring them $$$.

end of story :)
👍  
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@allcapsonezero · 
I like ^^^

That is pretty good.
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@andersokohler · (edited)
Bots is Pure manipulation ... A tool for Pump and dumping....Nothing more.
In other word a SCAM by definition.
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@crypto.piotr · 
im very sorry for such a late reply @andersokohler

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@andreasgrubhofer · 
Hi (:

Well, I got here cuz "steemd.com" stated it - I dont really understand how this all workz but somehow u sent me 0.001 SBD n thats y Ive "received that notification" on steemd, I guess - seems to be some sort of advertisment/promotion or whatever.

However, regarding your post, personally Im not against bots as long as theyve a useful function - so these "voting bots" to help minnows dont seem 'bad'. Bots which prevent plagiarism r good too. I simply dont like those spammers - bots who only comment for getting upvotes etc. - n other such thingz.

---

> To tell you the truth, I dont care much about what other "whales" think. I know that I will never be able to please everyone. There will be always be someone out there who disagrees with me.
But at the same time I care about those who engage with my posts. I want to know what my followers think. At the end of the day, I worked very hard to build a solid follower base of people sharing similar interests and I would love to know what your view on bots are. Do you agree with my approach towards them? Please let me know.

U r absolutely right. I couldnt agree with u more. These whales seem pretty unfair. I just dont give a fnck what other people think bout me... Only opinions that matter r the ones of my loyal followers (concerning Steemit ;D).
Tbh, I think this is the only logical answer to this question. If Im wrong, pls let me know. (:

Lastly, u seem pretty lit bro. I like honest people. N I think u r honest lol, at least I hope.

Have a nice day!
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @andreasgrubhofer

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

> Lastly, u seem pretty lit bro. I like honest people. N I think u r honest lol, at least I hope.

You mind telling me what "lit" means? :) 

Im not sure if Im honest. But I like to be transparent. Is it the same thing?

Yours,
Piotr
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@andreasgrubhofer · (edited)
Hi!
Np bro. (;
I forgot bout it anyway haha.
U r welcome.
Lit=cool, great, awesome, nice,... need more synonyms? :D
What would u say? Is being honest n transparent the same? ;D

# Dont continue reading - first answer the question yourself (if u wanna/r honest) :D
<sup> Well, thats a good question. Id say "No" cause (usually) honesty comes from oneself [u decide to be honest cause u could (live a) lie too; what not little people do, I guess - at least theyre lying pretty often]. Even when u r in court u still could lie but u probably wont. Honesty=telling the truth/"being true"/not lying
Transparency=comprehensibility/"clarity"/open... I think it doesnt necessarily matter if/mean that u r honest or not. U can be transparent on purpose (eg. maybe that others can understand u better or u wanna trick them) but so u can while not doing it on purpose too (involuntarily; eg. maybe u r a bad lier n everybody realizes/-d that, everybody but u lol).
**Conclusin:** When u r honest u can be transparent (most of the time u probably want that) but just cause u r transparent doesnt mean that u r/wanna be honest.
However, in your case: U probably r honest n wanna be transparent too.
</sup>

If Im wrong pls tell me. (:
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@andy4475 · 
I agree, Opinion is very divided on "Bid Bots" but I don't use them to make money (sometimes I loose money) I do it simply for 3 reasons! Firstly, to get seen somewhere on this massive platform.  Secondly, to increase my Steem Power" even if only slightly. Lastly, To advance my reputation faster, which I would say is very important for people to trust and view your posts! When eventually i'm not a tiny minnow, then I most probably wont use their services, as I won't need to hopefully! :)
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as you're so very responsive)

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)  


Cheers,
Piotr
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@anyasiemmanuel · 
My take on promoting bot
I don't see any reason why promotional bot will not be patronized by steemians. Steemit is a free world, if anyone wants to use bot he should go ahead and do whatever he/she feels like.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue. Im glad we're on the same page.
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@arcange · 
Congratulations @crypto.piotr!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steemit Hit Parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20180525) in the following categories:

* Upvotes - Ranked 2 with 1100 upvotes
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@aricochra · 
Hi, I'm from Venezuela and the truth is that the issue of steemit is just coming out ... I just clarified many doubts about the bot, I see that I'm not doing things very well, in my opinion of the bot? all in excess is bad, I had to place a translator to read and analyze his post that by the way very very good, excellent .
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @aricochra
im sorry for what happend to your country. thank you for your comment
keep in touch
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@axellhail · 
is so good know it, i want to know more anout this world of bots cause i wanna grow up in steemit and i think that the bots are necesary
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@aydogdy · 
If you want to find a target audience that will really read you, then the use of bots is not quite a suitable option.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @aydogdy
Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your short but important view on bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@bafspotlight · 
What a great topic my friend
I have used bots 2 to 3 times with the last sbd i had then
But it was not profitable to me.
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@crypto.piotr · 
I noticed you had a bad day with your samsung today :/ sorry mate
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@bafspotlight · (edited)
Thanks brother. I am trying to get over it.  How are you doing overthere?
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You got a 100.00% upvote from @bestvote courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@bi5h0p · 
Thank you for a thoughtful and well-researched post on the topic of bots. This is a good article so I gave you an upvote and a resteem. Good luck in the future. Engaging people on SteemIt, as "personally" as possible, is a good way to grow your blog. Keep it up and you will do well!
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @bi5h0p

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. And big thx for upvote and resteeming it. I appreciate.

Yours,
Piotr
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@bitcoin.news · (edited)
Thanks for your Articel.

I think there is only 2 Ways how it ends !!!
Steemit will be a "Facebook" for good Content. And somebody needs to pay for that.
Steemit does not, the most user don't have Voting Power. So why do I spend my time here?

Because I like it, but in the end,
 it has to pay the bills for Energy, Computer etc. 

So the only WAY getting a little out of Steemit is using bots and when steemit doesnt find a solution for that. I'm a free Journalist and in the end. I need income.

cheers bitcoin.news
![btcnews logo.PNG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmS2XbD2WL25AmiYdvXPH3h3kkvpZWrYDn1tidXGxf8HFy)
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@crypto.piotr · 
Hi @bitcoin.news

Im very sorry for such a late reply. Ive been away for couple of days and now Im trying to catch up with all comments. 

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

I will follow you closely :) Take care, Piotr
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@blog-beginner · (edited)
It is a very subjective topic. With pros it has cons too. 
I see curation has dropped big time. People with high SP have simply delegated their SP to bits and disappeared from the community earning passive income. 
If everyone starts doing that then the one playing best with bots will earn the most. 
That's definitely not what steemit is all about.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thanks buddy for your amazing reply. 

> It is a very subjective topic. With pros it has cons too.

I agree. And im glad you shared your opinion.

> That's definitely not what steemit is all about

Im not sure what is this place about ... sometimes ;0
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@booster ·
$8.02
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 Thank you.
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@cosmophobia · (edited)
Hi crypto.piotr,
First of all I like to thank you for sending me your post link together with your transfer of 0.001 SBD
To my account.
I have no problem with Steemit in the way they have set up their system.
As a newbie I have nothing to say if people come to vote on my work or not, that is an issue for them not me.
Also I like to add that I don’t need to receive any money for my comments, I do it for nothing.
As you seen from my Steem Power I have already put in a few dollars into increasing my voting power.
I will continue to buy more Steemit $ in the months and years that follows.
I will use my power to help those people who are starting out, including those of my subscribers.
My greatest issue is of saving my work that I have done on YouTube.
Because my channels there are been attack by people and people using sockpuppet accounts.
I was going to place all of my work here in Dtube but I don’t believe the good people in Dtube are yet ready for it, and nor should they be.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Hi @cosmophobia

Im very grateful for your rich reply. appreciate your time and effort.

I noticed you travel a lot. Amazing photos. 

> My greatest issue is of saving my work that I have done on YouTube.

What's your channel? Hope I can have a look :)

> Because my channels there are been attack by people and people using sockpuppet accounts.

What does it mean? Please tell me. im dying to know and understand how your youtube channel could get attacked.

Thx for sharing
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@cosmophobia · 
I don't understand why you give away $20 just like that. Perhaps you can also donate to every person here that has posted a comment? So far you have received 6 votes resulting in 9$ on your comment.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Hi @cosmophobia

i must admit that i feel lucky. it's the first time I got rewarded. personally i cannot complain. i've spent 2 hours building this post (im not native english speaker so it always takes much longer) and i appreciate that little support

dont be angry at santa :)
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@safetony · 
I agree with that @cosmophobia but not everybody should get an upvote only quality content as I don't think people should be rewarded for "great post" type comments.

It's also in your interest @crypto.piotr as you will receive a curation reward also ;)
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@crypto.piotr ·
$0.20
@booster thank you. appreciate your support guys.

And im glad to see that you're trying also to do something good for this platform.

keep it up :)
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@hs518055 · 
The poverty line is the thing that triggers violence and the biggest crime, they with the reason to fill the stomach willing to hold anything. Therefore both the government and the community must connect to alleviate poverty, especially in Indonesia's beloved country.
Some actors can not be done by poverty alone, but greedy will be the treasure and the throne they want. The world is a very dazzling temptation for those who have no spiritual value in their souls, the content of existing religion that can fill the emptiness and the thirst of our spiritual needs.
Daily crimes every hour every minute, even every second, there's always going to be, well, audits, rape and other immoral actions that annoy others. This has become a discourse on the news portals and other media both radio and television.

The current law does look like and less in place, just look at an old man who wants to prop his stomach, but he is working on something that is not his, which is happening in the world by the owner for caught theft and in improper prison law with what he did. Then the corrupters or the people who do a lot of people "are certain, covered with many people who can not be done and the principals enjoy the results with the crowds.

For international affairs, as in the case of massacres in Afghanistan and several other countries conducted for irrational reasons. Then what is done by the superpower in the international world is also the body of peace organizations? Nothing, nothing and does not produce anything "aka such a massacre.

Oops so come here so close discussion here, the important thing is to be aware of the crimes that happen around you :)
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@f3nix · (edited)
>established just a few days short of a full year as a resistance to black market vote-selling and circle-jerking etc.

It's amazing to see projects like yours, fighting for a cleaner Steemit.
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You got a 100.00% upvote from @botcoin courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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You got a 14.40% upvote from @brupvoter courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@bunnychum ·
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@crypto.piotr Great analysis and i completely agree with you.

Just to mention my opinion on bots, have you tried seeing this from a different angle? I am of course, using bots may not be profitable nowadays. but considering the fact, they also boost your content visibility and make your post reach more and more people.

Love to have a discussion with you on this topic. Also, I keep on forgetting to invite you on discord: https://discord.me/SteemBulls We made a community for cumulative growth and try to encourage newbies and help them get some recognition.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx @bunnychum for your comment. im glad to know we're on the same page.

I think i've tried to see bots from every possible angle. I spent quite sometime researching about it and trying to understand all possible opinions. 

unfortunatelly Im not using discord. those real-time apps are stealing to much time. which i really dont have much (replying everyone in this topic = 5h at least :)

take care
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@bursatilonline · 
Thanks for sharing this post. Very complete and very interesting, I really appreciate that you have quoted some interesting posts, because they are very helpful. I will tell you my experience with my little English. In the Spanish community there are very few whales and there are normally those who vote for literature and art and I have nothing of an artist, that is, the whales have never voted for me and I spend many hours doing my post, respecting formats, ideas, images, copyright, etc. but since I am focused on trading, cryptocurrencies and money, in our Hispanic community it seems that they did not value that and at the beginning I had very few commenting that I am more interested because it is evident that they read my post, instead if they only vote probably they did not read the post. Now, with the use of bots, additional that you quickly increase your sp. You pay him back as you well tell your followers with his income when voting. Additionally that puts you more entendencia. It may not be a short-term investment mechanism because the roi is low or negative in many cases because of the abuse they have given to the bots but they are definitely necessary to grow in steemit. I am very sorry for the abuse they give you because it can not be that someone who has money publishes only one photo and 10 lines and takes almost all the voting power of a bot. There should be some minimum requirements or certain logical parameters to be able to use the bots, and so avoid the abuses of people who have bad content and have money to take advantage, ultimately hurting those who make the post with effort and use the bots responsibly . Thank you very much for sending me a msj to see your post and you already have a faithful follower who with help with the Google Chrome translator will be commenting on your posts.
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue


Just checked your profile just to realize that i dont understand much haha :) where're you from mate? which city in spain?

followed :)
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@bursatilonline · 
Thank you for visiting me, at first I made the post in both languages, but it was a lot of effort and visits, comments and votes were very few, plus I realized that it was very easy if you use google chrome, do the translation of the post you simply do a click on the right button of the mouse and there gives you the option to translate. Maybe if I have a post too relevant, I do it in both languages ​​but for now I do not have it in mind. As for your question, I do not live in Spain, I live in Venezuela, I understand what the confusion was. Thanks for following me even if you do not understand much LOL ...... but google chrome solves everything .. LOL .... I follow you too.
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@cabbage-dealer ·
re-cryptopiotr-what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view-20180526t144000757z
You got a 79.28% upvote from @cabbage-dealer courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@carolynseymour · 
Hi crypto.piotr
Thank you for writing this great post and sending some very important links...that I will use. I believe in bots. I think bots are helpful to bring your post to the forefront. I know that many people reject bots, but me...no I accept voting bots. I know bad content when I see it, but what are the guidelines anyway that is considered great content. Since each of us have different tastes, it would be difficult to define "great content". Don't you think so? But I would like to follow you and learn more about other crypto's; I'm open for your point of view in all areas. Thanks in advance for responding to my post.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for replying @carolynseymour. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue. happy that you noticed my invitation and decided to share your opinion. And im glad we're on the same page.

I will follow you back, since you're creating interesting content :)

Yours
Piotr
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@chekohler · 
Bots are papering over the real cracks in Steemit! There isn’t a real algorithm helping content get better reach based on certain quality score metrics, their promotion option is a waste of time, the tagging system is clunky due to the UX so very few people are exploring via tags, the search is atrocious so now one is finding relevant content via search 

There are no curation tools or customizable feeds for curation! Instead it’s just either chronological order or by upvotes so what do we do get more upvotes it’s a natural behavior of the current system 

Bots are not really the problem and to focus on bots is to focus on the minutia and not the macro of steemit platform as a whole 

I personally don’t use steemit to interact with the blockchain as much as I use busy.org it’s not that much better but the small UX changes does make a world of difference to me

What also compounds these issues is 3rd party apps like dsound, dtube etc their posts are also looking for a day in the sun in steemit and competing for real estate on the steemit feed because well their site feeds are even worse when it comes to exploration 

The 7 day pay out period also drives a sense of urgency and therefore users feel they need get the most exposure they can for their hard graft in creating content 

We need to provide users with a better user experience that makes bot use less appealing and even counter intuitive at times so whales can focus on better things than moderating paid posts
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@crypto.piotr · 
Wow. what an impressive and valuable comment.

Thank you buddy, i appreciate your time and effort. 

> Bots are not really the problem and to focus on bots is to focus on the minutia and not the macro of steemit platform as a whole

I totally agree with you.

yours
Piotr
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@chukwubunnam · 
<h6>
Hi,<br>
My view on Bots. <br>
It's how the world functions at default.
People are at different points in the pyramid of financial literacy and an understanding of how money works with respect to investing. </h6>

<h6>They are also at different levels of understanding when it comes to
Being able to work smart and eradicate hard work; Even knowing when to use good debts and bad debts. </h6>

<h6>Having an understanding that folks love to protect their investment and in the real world, they can play dirty to do so by setting up unions or shutting down Threats can go a long way helping and guiding individuals in almost any sphere of life.</h6>

<h6>Thanks for not just sharing but for the information that for one to hit the trending page successfully,  there is more to it Ryan meets the eye and clever strategies will go a long way helping</h6>
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@crypto.piotr · 
Im glad to receive such an amazing comment. Thx @gmichelbkk

ps. did you change your fonts? it's a bit hard to read them (smaller than usual)
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@cicbar ·
$0.38
Bots are legitimate business on STEEM. If you use bots to earn something, ROI is low. I am using bots just to get better visibility for my articles and they are great for this purpose.
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@crypto.piotr ·
$0.04
Thank you for your reply.

Did you ever get downvoted by anyone for that reason? Im seriously curious.

Yours
Piotr
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@cicbar · 
No. Why would downvote somebody for using bots? This is free market and you can do whatever you want. I always only do Upvote if I like somebody's article or comment. I would downvote only if somebody is offensive...
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@hotsauceislethal ·
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The only time I have been downvoted for using a bot was when it was an "unapproved" bot that upvotes posts older than 3.5 days old. For whatever reason grumpycat was going around downvoting people who had used such services.
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@rudyardcatling · (edited)
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i got downvoted by several content nazis for no apparent reason other than that it wasnt "their" type of content, i think steemit UI would do well with a block button to keep those people from seeing your posts once they wrecked you, i had my reputation wrecked twice down to 15, by about six people including the enlightened steemcleaners once, i have no idea where they get the idea that they get to decide what's good or not since good and bad is a highly relative concept, block button and communities is the way to go

as for the bots, if it werent for those, id be old and grey before i ever even reach minnow level becaues i'm not very good at doing a monkey dance for scraps from people who came inhere already their pockets lined with millions acting like they are the enlightened despot, knowing what's good for the plebs 

i have downvoted ONCE in all time since i'm on and i still regret it, it makes me feel like i stooped to their level, i cant call myself free speech extremist if i dont let everyone speak

im absolutely 100% pro bots and 100% against content nazis , the only thing with bots is it would be nice like @thundercurator among others if they gave an option to NOT be comented on when they vote, and definitelly not like @sharkbank who upvotes its own post and get its post on top on the comments section

other than that : the freedom to choose

![5.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSicP9tPJ6H6csf4YJDcmyo9DwB5os13AjyVuJCZ36qCa/5.png)

i will use bots, all bots i find that can advance until i can sustain myself, otherwise that will never happen, face it

unless you come in here as a whale who had millions before it, you're here for the money, let's not be hippiecrite about it, its a nice new place, with many many interesting people and communities but the backbone IS the money

take away the advertising, and its screwed for all but the already rich, its easy to go on about "good" content if your pockets are already lined ... initiatives like @steembasicincome and such ... they might just be wrecked all with the same line since they don't shoot starbucks-in-dubai and they dont write harry potter fanfiction, i dont think there is a discussion

there's the 99% who wants something more, and the 1% who wants to be entertained because they already have everything, that should sound familiar, thanks for sending me cash for the invite lol , pardon my french but i dont really do politically correct hippie speak much

i don't believe in always positive, most of the world is a shitty place and people will stab you in the back for money

and this place is about money, wether you like that or ont

there you go, just remember you asked for the opinion :)

me : https://steemit.com/introduction/@rudyardcatling/signature-post-20180501

if you like bots vote @yabapmatt

https://steemit.com/@yabapmatt

vote for witnesses here : https://steemit.com/~witnesses

its just one of my votes but this guy will not just wreck the plankton out of the sea for not rolling over

have a nice day , i know i won't , but i dont think it will be a bad one either

o maybe i should add one more thing, i use bots several times a day to hand out upvotes to other people just as well, every time i get a payment where the sbd is high enough i diss out a vote for someone on my feed, randomly but a bit selective ofcourse, screenshots from national geographic don't count lol

so YEA, bots need be but they might incorporate some deontology (themselves, not regulated from above)
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@heimindanger ·
$0.04
And that's why a total random is at 64 reputation. Bravo.
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@cmplxty · 
Ironic how the post looking to critique bid bots, you received a lot of attention and votes from them. They are trying to buy you off!
Bots are an unfortunate reality in our culture here on Steemit. I personally do not believe in them but I can understand where some people do. Obviously the programmer who writes the script for the bot would be a huge advocate for them. As a person outside of that culture though, I think they bring down the platform.
Steemit is supposed to be a platform where people post their ideas, communicate with others, educate others and we all do this every day when we can and it flourishes for all. These bid bots degenerate that system; people aren't actively reading others content when they have bots do the bidding for them. I miss lots of things to read and I could sit here and read posts all day on the platform but that's the reality of a working adult. It does not sit well with me however to apply a bot to my account to just bid and vote on items to generate myself some money. I would certainly like to increase my account value and vote power but I will do that on my own time instead of by a script.
Just my own personal thoughts!
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @cmplxty
Somehow I've missed your comment. 

>Bots are an unfortunate reality in our culture here on Steemit. I personally do not believe in them but I can understand where some people do.

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@conceptskip · 
Hi @crypto.piotr congratulations to picking yet another controversial topic and also for choosing an excellent strategy for communication! Funny also that your top curation and comment comes from a self-upvoting bot ;-)
From an idealistic viewpoint i'd say bots, especially bid-bots are just unnecessary! What pupose do they serve, in contrary what they do is contrary to the "proof of brain" that the Steem blockchains inofficial consensus, they undermine the fun, that a social network has to offer, and which consists of individuals interacting, rather than manipulating a mechanism. 
Having said that, and knowing the big advantage and draw of the monetary aspects, it's just obvious, this will have an impact on the chain, and if you could effectively forbid  bots, their mechanisms would just be picked up by humans, so maybe the scale would be different, but mechanisms wouldn't change. So i think it's just a pragmatic approach to accept that bid-bots are hear and use them to your advantage, and i have been trying to do that. But just like you, my experiences are rather bleak, i tried hard, but at best i can make a 5-10% ROI after curation, which honestly isn't just worth all the trouble. I never had, or was willing to invest amounts to really get into the Trending Tab. So direct networking is to me still much more effective and fun, than transfering funds to bots. The biggest problem i have with bots that they mostly work to the disadvantage of their users, accepting bits far exceeding their vote power, and thus harming their clients. There are only very few that offer fair use policy, and i really would like to setup my own fair-voting bot, because that would be a value to the community ;-)
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you @conceptskip for your kind comment. 
I decided to test sending invitation to this discussion to large group of users, who had something to do with crypto in their past posts. it seem that it worked! :)

We know each other for quite some time already. 
Would you mind sending me short email to promib.pl@gmail.com? I would love to be able to keep in touch and support each other on Steemit.
I wish there would be more advanced notification system developed by steemit. 

No pressure of course :)

Cheers, Piotr
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@coolbot ·
re-cryptopiotr-what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view-20180526t170627555z
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@crazybgadventure · 
I never used bots mainly because alot of the time they are saturated and the ROI is negative so the profit is hardly worth it unless you are using it for marketing a initiative or project its a good thing. I noted that people saying that its a free world to do what you want with on steemit, well that is true in part. However people like grumpy cat who came along and tried to make changes, upsetting the balance and minnows and planktons mainly, perhaps dolphins and whales I never seen though, were flagged because they were using bots that Grumpy cat did not approve of. Bots can be a good thing but I see way more bad than good if I am honest with you.
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@crypto.piotr · 
i agree that its hardly worth it if your goal is to earn profit.

could you please tell me more about grumpy  ? Ive heard that nickname few times but I dont know much about him

is he that powerful that he can flag whales without any consequnces?

yours
Piotr
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@crazybgadventure · 
Yes of course I wrote this post a few weeks ago about grumpy cat, thank you for following me also and for your thoughtful comments. https://steemit.com/abuse/@crazybgadventure/the-part-of-steemit-i-m-not-liking-seeing-yes-i-m-talking-about-grumpycat
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@crescendoofpeace · 
I'm not a fan of bid bots, primarily because I came to Steemit for two primary purposes:

1. To build an audience for my writing, and
2. To ditch Facebook

Then again, there are bid bots and bid bots, and some actually have a decent use case.  

I will be using #poetsunited's bid bot, because it is specifically supporting member poets, and not spam posts.

Similarly, I used steemfollower until recently, when the quality of their available posts took such a precipitous nosedive that it was literally taking an hour or more just to locate five posts that didn't turn my stomach to upvote.  

For the record, I was trying to upvote only new posts of new Steemians, to give some encouragement; but the first  page or two were always older posts, often days old, and the rest were mostly crap posts, which I refuse to support on principle.

Hopefully steemfollower will find a way to filter out the spam posts, but until then, I have better things to do.

As for the the bid bots that upvote anything for a buck, I do believe they have harmed Steemit, and again, I wish there was a way to filter spam posts so that they wouldn't even appear in our feeds.  

Even a way of filtering by word count might help, since so many spam posts include little or no text, and they would automatically be eliminated

I don't pretend to know the answer, and I'm not saying I'll never use a bid bot ever, but I do think the system needs improvement, starting with rewarding quality content for more than seven days, especially since it remains on the blockchain from the day it's posted forward.

Glad you're back home safely.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment.

I appreciate your time and effort. 

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share very little interest. But i will do my best to support your content as you seem to be very responsive.

> As for the the bid bots that upvote anything for a buck, I do believe they have harmed Steemit, 

Do you think it would be possible for anyone who isnt whale to build their presence without bots? I've seen many people trying both and those who stayed away from bots usually are failing and dissapearing from steemit.
It really seem to be 'necessary evil'

yours
Piotr
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@crescendoofpeace · 
I think that building a community is far more valuable in the long run, even if it takes longer, and requires more effort.

And, as I've said, I have no problem with bots that serve specific communities, or have other use cases.  I simply dislike the ones that upvote every crap post regardless of the utter lack of content or quality.

And. we may have more in common than you know.  For one, we both are seriously interested in and committed to cryptocurrencies.

For another, my husband is originally from Warszawa, and I fell in love with Poland when we were there.  ;-)
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@criptoku · 
Saya belum mengerti secara mendalam tentang proyek Bot, bagaimana cara kerjanya, keuntungan apa yang didapat dengan mengikuti Bot. Jadi untuk sementara ini sata belum dapat membagikan pengalaman tentang Bot. Sekses selalu untukmu.
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@crypto-econom1st · 
Wow, you really got an amazing number of reactions for this post! 

Personally I didn't like the bots. I think they are killing the whole idea about this crypto based social media platform. And if you spend only a few SBD it will most likely never bring you more visibility.

I used them especially for a little project to see how profitable it would be. And for my 9 SBD investment I made a profit of 2.5 Steem. So it's possible to earn something. However scaling up might be difficult.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Hi @crypto-econom1s

Im very sorry for such a late reply. Ive been away for couple of days and now Im trying to catch up with all comments. 

What do you think about idea of using bots mostly to increase rewards for those who follow and upvote your content? This is my approach. I believe that most people upvote content of those who always bring them some small income. Just a human nature. 

Thx again for your comment,

Yours
Piotr
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@crypto-econom1st · 
My first idea is that people don't really think like that. But it could be they do. Cause of you use paid upvote bots you normally receive much more upvotes. Those people could also choose not to upvote.

Personally I will only use paid bots if I think I can earn from them directly.
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@cryptoeater ·
$0.35
Congratulations @crypto.piotr for authoring such a popular post! It seems I'm late to the party but I'll give my 2 cents on this topic as I'm very interested in this as well.

# Table of Contents 
* Bid-bots are hurting the platform
* However, there's no other way for minnows to gain visibility 
* Solution: change trending 

I personally feel bidbots are destroying the platform and hurting the initial intent of the platform, to help rank authors in terms or quality and reward those authors who consistently author good posts. 

However, many people including myself still use knowing the harmful effects they have. You may call it greed, but I just want my work to be seen. Sometimes, when you put so much effort into a post and see 2 comments from bots and under a dollar payout, it's really disheartening. When I used bidbots, I may not earn money but at least I get some comments sometimes and discussions going, that's quite important to me! However, for now I'm focusing on exams so I have limited time to comment. 

A solution to this may be having a limit on hot and trending pages for authors. For example, only one article per author for every 50 articles on the trending page. So, if someone has an article that should be number 3, number 7 and number 12 on trending, the article at number 3 will stay at number 3 but the article at number 7 will be pushed to 51 and the article at number 12 will be pushed to number 101. This should decentivise authors from spamming trending and hot pages with bid bots and help give more authors a chance to be in the top! 

(Upvote own comment for visibility)
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@crypto.piotr · 
Wow. what an impressive reply. thank you for your time

im glad you decided to share your thoughts with me and i even noticed that you linked to my post in your new article. what an amazing support. 

> I personally feel bidbots are destroying the platform and hurting the initial intent of the platform

we're not on the same page when it come to bots and I totally respect your different view. I just dont know how anyone who isnt a whale could ever be "seen" if bots would not exist.


> (Upvote own comment for visibility)

upvoted too. To show my gratitude :)
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@devytan · 
<div text-alignment = "justify">
I think bots are just the nature of the platform. <br><br>

And I'm guessing most people who join Steemit wants to make money instead of turning Steemit into a real social media since they are presented with the possibility of getting paid by just posting some content. <br>

That is the first thing you see when you open up Steemit so naturally more people wants to get attention instead of paying attention. So with this "market psychology" people are just going to continue to use bots. <br>

I used bots for a period of time but sometimes there are whales that just bit last minute and obliterate the whole ROI to negative so now I only use promotion bot like @treeplanter, @minnowbooster and @smartsteem. <br>

I think overall bots on Steemit is getting better. Some of them cap the return max at 10% although it is not a guarantee. Nothing is ever a guarantee on cryptospace. Any moment any whale can smash BTC price which affect alt coins like steem really significantly. <br>

The way I see it I am sort of mining steem with my content and promotion bot. If I need more steem I just power down and put it back right away. <br>

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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @devytan

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. Im glad to know you're still around :)

Yours,
Piotr
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@divyanthj · 
I don't mind bots. For me, the biggest value proposition of a bot is to bring visibility to my posts. It's like paying an advertiser to publicize my content.

Even when it comes to cost/benefit ratio where I mostly lose STEEM or SBD, I see value in the form of

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This way, my subsequent posts have even more visibility.
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@crypto.piotr · 
I think accidently @divyanthj you replied twice :)

cheers, Piotr
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@divyanthj · 
I don't mind bots. For me, the biggest value proposition of a bot is to bring visibility to my posts. It's like paying an advertiser to publicize my content.

Even when it comes to cost/benefit ratio where I mostly lose STEEM or SBD, I see value in the form of

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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

>  It's like paying an advertiser to publicize my content.

i completly agree with your view. Im glad to know we're on the same page.

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@dmilliz · 
I think bots are a necessary evil, but  you made  a very solid point, it is not for us but for our audience to earn. That thought has flashed my mind and now I see it clearly.

yeah ,as you said, very hard t even break even when using bots.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @dmilliz

somehow i missed your comment.

> you made a very solid point, it is not for us but for our audience to earn.

Im glad we're on the same page bout bots. helping our audience to grow should be as important as growing ourselfs

cheers
Piotr
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@dovetail · 
dunno. the difficult one. i am with steem about year and a half and seems like with using bots now you have to use them to go anywhere when before i    t was easier to get noticed without. i like some features but just seems it's not profitable for personally me as i spend more then earn so maybe just better off. for occasions when i really want to share my work i might use their services but i understand i'm losing money on that. cheers
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @dovetail 

1,5 year on steemit? wow. impressive.

thank you for sharing your toughts. and all the best to Ukraine. I know that there is many ukrainians in poland right now. Did you also move out from your country or did you decide to stay?

Yours
Piotr
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@dovetail · 
thanks. SteemIt is great platform despite all little things. it's nice in Ukraine despite all odds too
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@drotto · 
<p>This post has received a 3.04 % upvote from @drotto thanks to: @crypto.piotr, @crypto.piotr.</p>
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@euriguiwi2018 · 
Hi @crypto.piotr Thank you very much. Interesting your post. Excellent work done.
I'm still pretty new at this. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this, the parameters of the scenario, and I have been reading a lot about the steemit voting bots, and I thing that this peculiar situation leaves me at a disadvantage, in any space or communication channel of steemit, but I will continue my active participation on steemit and that's what I'm willing to fight for. I like the platform, and I came here to learn.  

I'm wishing you success and growth, and happiness.
A hug
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @euriguiwi2018

Thanks for sharing your thouths. I checked your profile and i thought that you're from Venezuela. But then ... your written english is so good. mistery!

i will definetly follow you closely. good luck to you
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@euriguiwi2018 · 
Hi @cryto.piotr Yes, I am from Venezuela. Thank you very much for your kindness. it's an honor to meet you. 
I hope you have a great weekend. 
A big hug for you!!!
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@frankvvv ·
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You could see bots as a marketing thing, even when they are not profitable in the short run. More people will see your articles. And so more will start following you. Also, if bots are no longer profitable, that might be a good thing in the long run. Some people don't like bots, so if they don't bring in profits, they might become a fringe thing.
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@gandhibaba · 
I think bots are functional to the progress of Steemit. Here is my recent article discussing the relevance of bots.

https://steemit.com/bot/@gandhibaba/bid-bots-the-dangers-of-a-single-story

Regards
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@crypto.piotr ·
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hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @gandhibaba

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots.  And thx for that link. Will check it now

Yours,
Piotr
👍  
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@garethm · 
Thanks for the article I enjoyed the effort you put in as I was not aware of how users use bots to get more votes interesting though.
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@gersson · 
Good afternoon: 
Really in my personal opinion in this social network is to reach the real users, now if your purpose is only economic you have to dedicate yourself to find the robots to get the best profit, although I am sure that if your post is good the reward will come by itself! It is a question of how my colleague says to know when to write, and to have a good content of it. Great job, buddy.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi mate,

im very sorry for such a late reply @gersson

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots 


Im glad to see that we're on the same page.

Yours,
Piotr
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@gersson · 
Hey, buddy;
Thank you very much, tonight I'll try to have more time to write, I've had some complicated days, greetings =)
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@giftbox · 
Congratulations, resteemed by @Giftbox
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@gmichelbkk · 
Thank you for the mention @crypto.piotr.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Absolutely @gmichelbkk.  
Your post inspired me :)
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@goodluckleo · 
Really, I haven't tried using a bot yet. But if what is said here about being on the trending page and how less profitable they(bots) are, I guess I have been doing the right thing. 

Nevertheless, one thing is certain: bots are here to stay except a Superman gives them a big kick out of steemit world.
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@crypto.piotr · 
im very sorry for such a late reply @goodluckleo

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

ps. I like your comment about superman! :)

cheers,
Piotr
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@greenbeans · 
I have not found any of the bots I used to be profitable for any of my post.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx @greenbeans for your comment

indeed I found it also very hard to profit. especially with sbd being so cheap

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :) Will follow you closely.

Cheers
Piotr
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@greengrowth ·
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You got a 100.00% upvote from @greengrowth thanks to @crypto.piotr! You too can use @GreenGrowth by sending your post URL in the memo field to the bot. Minimum bid is 0.01.

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@gungadin · 
Thanks for your kind donation recently, my thoughts on Bots.....I won't use them, I feel that this platform should be for real users, who read, comment, and if worthy upvote. That sounds like a pure system to me. I also like the fact that if you are a troll, this system will not support you. More nice people on here, (maybe thats an artificial look at the big picture), which is why this platform will be successful.
So in short NO BOTS FOR ME!!
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue with me @gungadin

I really appreciate. 

And I just checked your profile to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

I will follow you closely :) 

Cheers, Piotr
👍  
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@gungadin · 
Thanks, have followed you as well. Lets keep each other motivated.
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@harktheshark · 
I'm pretty small, but i think, if you want more visibility, you need to use bots.
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@crypto.piotr · 
agree, thx for sharing your thoughts @harktheshark
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@haveaheart ·
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@heimindanger ·
$0.99
If you use bid bots for visibility, you are a loser and you'd be better off doing yourself a favor and hanging yourself.
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@allaz ·
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@booster ·
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Are you not busy going bankrupt with d.tube, @heimindanger?
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@cmplxty · 
A bit excessive of a comment, don't you think? Certainly could have chosen some different words for your distaste of the bots. I dislike them very much but I try to voice that eloquently..
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for your comment @cmplxty

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

going to follow you closely
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@crypto.piotr · 
interesting point of view. thank you for sharing
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@fishbaitbot ·
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@grey580 ·
$1.67
So I totally disagree with this comment. 

I've said this before in other comments. Currently there is 0 reason for anyone to join this platform. Any newbie user that comes onto steemit will be discouraged because they will get 0 interaction. 
Unless they have a whale willing to upvote them why join?
Well the bots give people a reason to join. At least they can get some visibility on their posts.

Your comment is self centered and doesn't take into consideration the experience of a new user on steemit. I would hope that you take a step back and think about why someone would use a bot in the first place.
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@crypto.piotr · 
unfortunatelly I agree with all your points. it's very easy to get discouraged at the very beginning.

thank you for your comment. I appreciate it a lot
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@toddrjohnson · 
I agree completely. As a new user who was looking forward to providing high quality content it is very discouraging to see the overall low quality of the content and massive power of a few to reward posts that are, frankly, not all that good. Perhaps it is a good sign that most of the high quality posts and comments are around these very issues.
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@jonny-clearwater · (edited)
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That is such a lovely way to talk to the community.
You should be ashamed of yourself speaking to anyone like that.
(upvoted your shitty comment for visibility purposes)
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
thank you for your support @jonny-clearwater

I just checked your profile to relize that we share many similar interests

will follow you closely buddy :)

yours
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@heimindanger ·
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Not talking to the community as a whole. I believe there are countless good-willed people around here and you could be one of those.

I'm talking to the part of the community that is destroying the original purpose of this network (ranking contents), because of their greed and personal needs for attention.
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@safetony · (edited)
You have the power to flag it if you don't like it and remove the rewards why aren't you doing that? Being against vote bot's is one thing and I can sympathise but telling people to hang themselves is despicable.
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@maikelblogo · 
So, why everyone are here? To be known...
But sometimes you made a great post, your balance is zero. And then you need to invest some SBD in promote yourself and -why not- paying for bots. That doesn't make you a loser. Here is a people who didn't use it and still make money, That's good. But we must understand the right reason about if their lukness is the exceptional case or they are promoted by someone else. And if don't have that luck, they're forced to buy bots, very simple.
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@crypto.piotr · 
i absolutelly agree with you @maikelblogo

thx for sharing your thoughts. and big thx for resteeming my post. that's just so kind of you

i will follow you closely
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@trumanity · 
Agreed! It's either cow-tow and sing the tune a whale wants to hear or pay your own way to make your own way.
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@seablue ·
$1.53
And this is the man behind D-Tube......?
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@dunstuff ·
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ikr. ive just spent 4 hrs trying to post a video. 'please upload a video' - yeah, i did that already.... waits another hour 'upload a video'

fkthis-imout
lol
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@votepower ·
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You got a 21.08% upvote from @votepower courtesy of @grey580!
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@honestbot ·
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You just received a 79.37% upvote from @honestbot, courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@hotsauceislethal · (edited)
Sometimes I use bots and sometimes I don't. I have noticed that when I do use bots I get way more new followers (obviously) and that in and of itself can be a bonus or ego boost. Very rarely will whales actually upvote your content however once you do make the trending or hot pages. 

Normally when SBD and STEEM are doing poorly I will not use bots since the payout rewards will be significantly lower as the prices fall. If the price of SBD is going up then I think it makes sense to use bots since you have the potential for more profit over the course of the week (as the reward payout also grows with the price). Sometimes after curation I wonder how much I'm really making since it can be hard to keep track- especially after they changed the way it displays past payouts now.

I just did the math on one of my more recent posts with payout to be determined and even if the curators get 25% I will still be making around a 13% profit on the SBD and STEEM combined. I will have to wait a week to see that profit however and it will still fluctuate depending on the price on that day.
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
hi @hotsauceislethal

im very sorry for such a late reply

Somehow I've missed your comment.

Thx for sharing your view on bots.

> Very rarely will whales actually upvote your content however once you do make the trending or hot pages.

Completly agree with you.

>  I will have to wait a week to see that profit however and it will still fluctuate depending on the price on that day.

Any update on that? :)

Yours,
Piotr
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@iridion9 · 
Mmmm, there are always CONS and PROS.
But personally I have not used bots here.
I'm a computer programmer myself so I understand the technical details.
And my conclusion I'm not against of bots.
But sometimes it's annoying lol
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@ivrmakers ·
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I am with the idea to use paid promotion & services. My 3 days old contest here  https://steemit.com/contest/@ivrmakers/spot-the-idiot-contest-3-win-0-05-sbd didn't land a single upvote or comment yet..
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@crypto.piotr · 
Im sorry to hear that your contest didnt bring much attention

i will check it out later on

thx for your comment
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@jk6276 · 
Hi, I'm quite new here and don't really get the whole Bot thing. I am just blogging some bits and pieces around a couple of themes. Never blogged anywhere else before, so don't have anything to compare it to.  If anyone is interested in reading what I have to say, great. If not i'll probably get bored of talking to myself and move on.  Paying a bot to vote for my post seems futile, but I am not really expecting to make any money here (It would be nice, however) 

Have a great day.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @jk6276

Somehow I've missed your comment. Thx for sharing your view on bots 

It must be very hard to progresss on steemit without bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@joe.public · 
Hi @crypto.piotr 

I am not a fan of using bid bots.

However they do exist and I do not get bent out of shape because people use them any more :     )  I just accept that people buy and sell votes. 

The most offensive part of the bid bot issue to me is the amount of hypocrisy from one of our most prominent whales. He does not care about the platforms success or people buying votes. He cares which bid bots you are using. If you use one of the bid bots he funds you are fine, yet he pretends to be against bid bots!  At one point he even held a competition to give away 100 Steem and gave it to his most newly created account which he created through blocktrades !!!! Which was rather amusing because at the time you could use SteemWorld to find out who initiated the account. 

Most people do not seem to realize that you can't trust a person who keeps telling you lies.
I have also seen the same Whale bitching about self voting! if he did not self vote with some of his hundreds of accounts his posts would be worth close to zero.
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@crypto.piotr ·
$0.02
thank you for your kind reply

I appreciate it a lot.

who was this whale you are talking about?  you can write his username without @ at the beginning, so he wont know that we mentioned his name
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@joe.public ·
$0.04
haha i do not recall
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for your kind reply

I appreciate it a lot.

who was this whale you are talking about?  you can write his username without @ at the beginning, so he wont know that we mentioned his name
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@josephlacsamana · 
I received your hidden msg on my wallet. And I would say your point of view is same as mine. I Like you POV and Conclusion. 

It is for the whales who have a lot minnow followers. I also believe by doing that, their followers will become more loyal than ever.
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@journeyoflife ·
$1.08
@echowhale team swimming by with your upvotes , another team member will upvote shortly
👍  , ,
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@carterx7 · 
Reviewed and upvoted. following this content creator now too.
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@jsalazar · 
Greetings @crypto.piotr, interesting your article, precisely in these moments where I am starting and i was surprised by two of these whales. Of course increase greatly followers but that is not quality. I am taking the tips below: content interesting, relevant, well written and with good pictures and good from then make community, so i'll be awaiting me by your blogs every time and I expect the same from you! Until then.
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

I noticed that you just started your adventure on steemit. will follow you closely :)

cheers,
Piotr
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@jschindler · 
I think the vote bots/buyers (for the most part) are not adding any REAL value to the steem ecosystem. In fact, I think it's actually harming the system, to what degree, I know not. High SP holders are just leasing their VP for a nice profit at the expense of no longer manually curating for quality, as well as no longer being the (proof of brain/human) deterrent to the ever growing list of spam/scam-mers who seek to profit/siphon off the system with as little work/input as possible. 

The promoted tab should be fixed/incentivized for those want to promote themselves or others  INSTEAD of using bots. The SBD used to promote a post is burned (sent to @null) and overall helps increase the value for everyone.  

IMO, it's very similar to an aspiring  "Youtuber"  that WANTS to get organic views/subs./likes etc. but instead of just creating valuable content and interacting with the community, they decide instead, to pay money to an army of  "bot accounts" for artificial views, likes/upvotes or comments on their videos for promotion just to have the "appearance" of a legitimate/popular channel/figure, in hopes of getting noticed by the  community at large. This is probably  already happening on Youtube. The difference here on Steem is that everyone here is affected by everyone else's actions due to a shared rewards pool.

In short, using bots for upvotes or (ROI ESPECIALLY) sounds like the worst idea forward if quality, originality and genuineness are our main concerns.
👍  
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@juanmolina · 
<div class=text-justify>Very interesting your friend aricle @ crypto.piotr. It has tipempo I have reflected on the use of bots. I have used them a couple of times recently, and I did it on a trial basis. This is motivated by the frequent use of steemit friends. Particularly the case of a great friend catches my attention: he has a great talent as a photographer and digital editor of images and I wonder: why does he invest 5 SBD to promote his art?</div>

<div class=text-justify>Trying to justify the use of bots, I can consider that it allows you to increase the number of followers if you can position yourself as a trend at some point. But ... would they be true followers? Or are they just opportunists who find an upward healing in steemit?</div>

<div class=text-justify>Whatever the case, and by the nature of the page, we all benefit to a certain extent.</div>

<div class=text-justify>I could also notice that the thrust of the vote comparison is proportional to the investment. That is, I invest 5 SBD in a bot, and I receive 5 SBD in votes. So, what is the added value of that investment?
I would define it in the SP option.
<div class=text-justify>Thank you for sharing your concerns and considering our opinion.</div>
<div class=text-justify>Greetings friend @ cripto.priotr !!!</div>
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @juanmolina
Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 
Im glad to know we're on the same page here :)

Yours,
Piotr
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@juanmolina · 
Don´t worry my friend. Hugs...
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@juliabreheny · 
Great post. As a newbie and just getting out of the gate, I am sure many like myself are trying to figure things out and hear a lot about bots. I had wondered if it was worth it, but have been reluctant to use them after hearing some of the negatives.

This post does a fantastic job explaining bots and how the community feels about them.

However, I still see many people using them. I wonder if they are really analyzing the impact as you did to see the value or lack of.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment.

I appreciate your time and effort.  

> I had wondered if it was worth it, but have been reluctant to use them after hearing some of the negatives.

It's very very hard to achieve anything on steemit without powering up in the first place (which i noticed you did) and using bots. 

I wanted to support your content but i realized that you didnt post anything (just resteemed) in very long time.

> This post does a fantastic job explaining bots and how the community feels about them.

Thank you. I just think without using bots you wont get far on steemit.

yours
Piotr
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@kally · 
Well i for one have never used bots maybe because I can't afford them,but like you have rightly said it's difficult for Minnows to get a wide audience without using bots. Everyday you see people who have worked hard to create good content but they seem to have no reward and there are others that regardless of what they post they have the upvotes either because they have large steem power or the use of bots.but i Wil advice minnows like myself to use your style. Try to connect with your followers through comment and stuffs and in no distance time you would have a large audience
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @kally

im very sorry for such a late reply

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

> but i Wil advice minnows like myself to use your style. Try to connect with your followers through comment and stuffs and in no distance time you would have a large audience

That's very wise words man. I will be happy to support you on steemit too (I've noticed that we share some similar passions).

Yours,
Piotr
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@keisukevilla · 
man, excellent post and  I think that denpence on your strategy but If you post very well like this you don't need bots my friend, steemer's users should be worry for writing post interesting and high quality  best wishes!!
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your comment and sorry for such a late reply @keisukevilla

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

I will follow you closely :) Take care, Piotr
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@khairatmohamad · 
is awesome @crypto.piotr 😘😍
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@kimmysomelove42 · 
I know NOTHING about this... newbie tech challenged girl, it's amazing I can even upload a video, so I'll put this on my homework to do list.  I did join Steemfollower is that a type of Bot?  Dooh, anyway thanks for the fundage and following!
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for your comment and sharing with me that you know nothing about this hihihi :)

all the best
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@kirbyjr1977 · (edited)
My 2 cents. If you are not getting delegation or help from whales then bots or your own money will be the only way to profit....as i do both. My intro says it all....i buy my votes simple...you want in the you should upvote me before the bots get it...but being honest if you dont have the wieght then your payout will be small anyway...i keep my boosters under 10sbd as not to raise any idoits in my direction...as i think i got 2 followers who actually upvote me because within 24 hours i boost. Depending on the markets for the bots...i may even go for delegating some sp...but i will delegate to subaccounts thats auto upvote from my curtail..
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your 2 cents and sharing.

Appreciate your comment a lot.

Just checked your profile just to realize that we dont share many interest, but i will still do my best to support you on steemit as you are so responsive.

followed :)
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@krischik · (edited)
> for beginners (so called minnows) 

Minnows aren't beginners. You need 1 million VEST / 500 steem power to be a minnows. Beginners are called plankton.

However: Plankton are to low down to afford bots. For bots minnows are indeed the target group.

> From my personal experience it's pretty much not possible ever to hit a trending page without using bots.

On the other hand: I rarely look at the trending page. It's full of payed content. This posting I saw because someone I follow resteemed it.

BTW: I don't follow payed resteem service.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment @krischik

I would consider myself a plankton (less than  500 SP). And I am using bots. I think anyone having more than 200 steem can use them easily. Without reaching trening page of course.

all the best
Piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi again @krischik

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@laurenglasses · 
Thank you for your support!
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@lavanyalakshman · 
Hi,very useful information you give,thanks for sharing.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @lavanyalakshman

I hope you are aware that your comment sound very robotic :)
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@lavanyalakshman · 
Now all bots give very low income due to low sbd price i think,in before it give some reasonable income .
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@leeart ·
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I use bots to hopefully increase my followers and attract new steemians to engage with. It has been me hunting all the time and i hope by using bots that i am the one hunted instead. I do not focus on big earnings anymore . I gave up on that since the beginning lol! I want to be in this platform where i can have an outlet and share my thoughts and ideas and the pay is just the bonus.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you @leeart for your kind reply. Do you want to be hunted? By who? i hope not some whales that are against bots :) ?

I love your reasons to be here on steemit. 

ps.
I would love to stay in touch with you a little bit closer as I value your knowledge and your input. And we could support each other on Steemit.
I wish there would be more advanced notification system developed by steemit. 

Plus you're very responsive which is absolutely great and steemit community surely will benefit by having you here.

Perhaps you could send me short email to promib.pl@gmail.com

No pressure of course,

Cheers, Piotr
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@leeart · 
I hope not by whales who are against bots lol!  I hope by those who can really connect to my posts.  Photography is what I mostly post anyway so I am not expecting much.

I try to be as interactive as I can here in steemit but that is when I do have the time to do so lol!

Do you use Ginabot or steemworld.org?  I use both to get back to those i interact to./
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment @leeart

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as you're so very responsive)

Cheers,
Piotr
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@leeart · 
I try my best. Thanks for your support as well. Cheers!
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@hotsauceislethal ·
$0.02
Well put- I have always said that if you come to Steemit looking for money you will be sorely disappointed. The best way to approach this platform is to use it as a creative outlet as you mentioned.

Steemit for me is a place where I can connect to people and find ideas I wouldn't otherwise be able to find. Additionally it creates a fantastic social environment to interact over such ideas. There are some seriously talented and smart people using this site and it amazes me every day.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thanks for your comment @hotsauceislethal 

> Steemit for me is a place where I can connect to people and find ideas I wouldn't otherwise be able to find.

Right on the dot! Absolutely agree with you.

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@crypto.piotr · 
you're very responsive @hotsauceislethal

thx for taking the time to write your comments. and Im glad to see that we're on the same page

I will do my best to follow you and support you here on steemit
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@leeart · 
Oh the talents! 
When i thought it cannot get better this in comes another that tops what I just saw. I am still reeling from the skill and beauty of what I saw and yet I come across a superior work. 

I like the collaborations of people and communities in making this platform better.
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@lost-ninja ·
re-cryptopiotr-what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view-20180526t174923873z
You have been defended with a 34.72% upvote!
I was summoned by @crypto.piotr.
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@love-life · 
@cryptog.port Thank you for your good review and reward
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@luckyvotes ·
re-cryptopiotr-what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view-20180526t081831754z
You got a 8.00% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@luisfpc1411 · 
Considero que tienes razón, para mi es nuevo saber de bots y creo que sería interesante revisar más al respecto, creo que es una manera de burlar al sistema.
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@m03kr1 · 
hi, bro.
i'm newcomer in here, but if bots are legal... why not using bots, at least to raise the rating to always be visible in order to vote or resteem by others.
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@crypto.piotr · 
welcome @m03kr1 on steemit :)

thank you for sharing your thoughts with me

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@m03kr1 · 
thank you very much for the encouragement you gave @crypto.piotr
your help still I need, as well as the help of your vote of course :D
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@crypto.piotr · 
absolutely.
keep up with doing great job on steemit :)
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@machnbirdsparo · 
If nothing else, bots like @smartsteem allow us to maximize our voting power. Mine stays above 90% when I vote myself. While I sleep, Smartsteem upvotes when I am at 98%.
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@maggy7419 · 
Hola @crypto.piotr, mi opinión es que ,no lo he  utilizado bot, por que no he entendido bien su funciona y mecanismo, por lo tanto no puedo darte una opinion concisa de ellos ,saludos,pero si ando investigando por si en algun momento lo necesitara.....
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@maikelblogo · 
Vote-bots are right now the best to make good earning posts. I know it's not good from the people who want to be famous. Unfortunately, after paying for promotion, paying for bots is the better way i've made and i don't know any else...
👍  
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@crypto.piotr · 
thanks for your reply and resteeming.
you're the man ! :D
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@maniacbuilder · 
to be honest this is the first i heard of bots on steemit lol x,D this is a very interesting post thanks !
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@manuelgil64 · 
Personally I think the strategy of paying bots to get some visibility in Steemit is valid, especially for new users or minnows who invest a lot of time to create quality posts that unfortunately run the risk of being shipwrecked in this immense ocean that represents this platform, but it is true that this strategy can not replace, totally or partially, the interaction with other users, which is the primary purpose of a social network.

Greetings @crypto.piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @manuelgil64

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots 

>Personally I think the strategy of paying bots to get some visibility in Steemit is valid,

Im glad to see that we're on the same page.

Yours,
Piotr
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@masaitv · 
Hi @crypto.piotr, sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this post but as you know I am a newcomer to the platform and wasn't too sure of what you were asking of me on my thoughts of the bots on STEEMIT. I have just read your complete post and am ready to comment a bit about what you asked. First I want to say thank you for the 0.001 SBD that you sent me. Honestly, I don't know a lot about these voting bots as I have not used any of them since I became a member here, I am really not sure how they work so I have not purchased any of them for my posts, however I have gotten a few requests from some of them asking me to delegate steem to them,  but since I am not sure how they really work I have not done so. Maybe later on as I become more knowledgeable about things around here I might use them, but for now I am flying solo. Thank you for this post and I look forward to other useful postings from you.
👍  
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@migueltoro · 
yo digo que son un mal necesario. ellos te hacen crecer mas rapido que a la manera mortal con tu sp. no los uso pero es lo que creo.
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@crypto.piotr · 
what? :)  english please
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@migueltoro · 
I say they are a necessary evil they make you grow faster than in the mortal way with your sp. He does not use them but that's what I think
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@pibyk · 
Uważa, że boty to zło konieczne. Pozwalają na szybszy przyrost Steem Power. Sam nie używa, ale tak uważa :-)
👍  
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@mineopoly · (edited)
Interesting post. Yes... rather than use the bots to get you to the trending page it would be more beneficial to use bots to curate. I'm not good with programming but I got your spam message in my wallet and came over here to see what you were writing about. Not bad at all.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for sharing your thoughts and reacting to my little spam message :)

i appreciate it a lot.

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

will follow you closely

yours
Piotr
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@mineopoly · 
Thank you @crypto.piotr for welcoming me in spite of my cynicism and sarcasm. I salute you and returned the follow;)
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@minnowvotes ·
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You got a 3.25% upvote from @minnowvotes courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@mittymartz ·
$0.05
Bot bot bot

They are cool at a certain point in time on the blockchain and sometimes you definitely will loose to them 

1,  they get higher percentage of the curation reward

2,  When the value of steem is fluctuating you would loose both the money used for bid and payout

3, If you use bot for the aim more payout you might be disappointed... When I used it the I started with the aim of good payout but I saw it not a good aim so I saw another thing I could gain from the bot which is increasing of my reputation... Reputation makes people trust your work that is why the newbies battle with zeros unless they have exceptional writing skills.. Thanks to @donkeypong for the @curie idea

When I joined @steemstem I was made not to like bots anymore (steemstem said if you can pay 50$ for bid vote it means you don't need them and if they steemstem votes you it means your work is worth it but if you use bid vote it does not mean you worth it) now everyone wants to be on the trending page and sometimes you want to bid with 4sbd for a dolphin is coming with 100sbd.... You know what that means because it's a bid.. So I stayed off bot

Conclusively bot is not a bad idea but what is your aim for using them... More money? Not good enough have a rethink
👍  ,
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi buddy, thx for your comment and constant support! :)

good point about reputation.

> Conclusively bot is not a bad idea but what is your aim for using them... More money? Not good enough have a rethink

My aim is to make sure that all curators will benefit and will be happy to upvote me in the future. plus naturally i want them to grow bigger since they support me :)  hope it's a good enough reason :)
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@mjoa07 · 
Hi,first of all, I really appreciate your help, thanks a lot for that.
In my honest opinion I think is good the use  of bots, but I tell you that I don´t use them because i don´t know how to use. I´m beginner in steemit, and I ´ve been learnining and built followers little by little, I´ve winn so little, but I´m pacient.....
I prefere do the things slow but seccure.
By the way I´m agree with you "that it is important to help curators grow"
I´ll do it in the future
Thanks a loit again 
Regards from Venezuela
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @mjoa07

thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

ps. Im sorry for what's happening to your contry now :(
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@mjoa07 · 
thanks for your worried for us the venezuelans !
Regards
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
Hi @mjoa07

Im sorry for such a late reply and Im glad to see that you're still active on steemit :)

Forca Venezuela! :)
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@monajam · (edited)
$2.50
Hi @crypto.piotr
The best way to get followers and organic upvotes is (i) to make relationships here, comment on the posts of others, and you will see your comments are getting upvotes,  and (ii) join some communities. As I told you before, I am in 2 communities, working as an active Steemian there, helping newbies to learn and give them tips, and in reward, I am getting upvotes on my posts from both those communities. These tw communities are: (i) steemrepair, (ii) greetersguild.
You can check their Steemit profiles and get in touch on discord.
I don't prefer to use bots, especially those on steembottracker.com
The only bot that I use sometimes is 'smartmarket'.
👍  ,
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @monajam

I agree with all your points.  But this post is about bots and i would rather like to know what is your opinion on that issue? What's your view? Are you against when others are using them?

Yours
Piotr
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@money-dreamer ·
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It seems like it is more about who is using the bots and what the bots are being used for that are the issues.

I think more users should be able to use bots for more purposes without worrying about all of there posts being attacked with down-vote spam.
👍  
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@crypto.piotr ·
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> I think more users should be able to use bots for more purposes without worrying about all of there posts being attacked with down-vote spam.

Completly agree with you.

thx for taking the time to share your opinion with me

i just checked your profile and i noticed that we share some interests. cool. will follow you closely :)
👍  
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@morseke1 · 
I've written a lot of comments about Bots, so thank you for reaching out for my thoughts.  

It think the value of steemit is through interaction with real people.  I don't necessarily like that the fact that if you have the means to buy a sizable SP position, you can give yourself more voting power and earning power and gain a higher reputation score,  but we live in the real world and money often buys opportunity.

I have never used bots for two reasons.  First is that I don't want to figure out a strategy for using them.  I'm not at all lazy, but it's not something I want to spend my time on and it seems like cheating...  Secondly, there is something crazy about bots voting instead of people and people not actually reading a post.  It sounds creepy.  It also seams a bit stupid to have a blogging site meant for interaction and relationship building to be instead run on bots commenting, cluttering up the comment section, down voting if certain rules are met, etc.  Mark my words, one day soon bots will also write posts and you won't be able to know if it was a bot or a person, real or fake.

There are two types of people in this world.  Those that will generally ad to it and those that will take away from it.  For those intent on taking, there is no limit to what they will do to take.  For instance, look at the war within steemit on downvoting.  There are many shady characters who follow no one, make almost no real posts and only run downvoting farms and make a crap load of money in the process.  They do it because they can take and get away with it and it causes a lot of rotten acidic comments on posts of people I follow.  They claim they flag because the person in particular is raping the reward pool, when in fact this is exactly what they are doing with their downvoting bots.  They just want to control the platform so they can continue to make a lot of money and use those who are honestly spending their time writing posts and earning money as an excuse for their bot farm system.  

So I'm a fan of people.  Not a fan of bots.  I know one main argument is that if you don't use for upvotes, you will never be seen, never hit a trending page and never advance.  I have a different approach.  I've written a few posts without a ton of comments.  I have a lot of good posts planned but won't spend my time wasting a post if no one is reading it.  So instead, I plan to be a great curator and upvote good comments and ad to the platform, help people and develop relationships.  When I finally hit 1,000 followers, I will then start to write some articles, since I will have a big enough following to have people read my posts.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as you're so very responsive)
good luck with 1k :)

Cheers,
Piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
@morseke1

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@mrrpiusz ·
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Bots could be essentially utilized to promote development on the Steemit network if used properly and for the right purpose.
Its alarming and really bad the way some people abuse Bots and make them look as if they are worthless and a nuisance to the Steemit network.
I strongly believe that if Bots are used properly, they could be a very essential tool to its users and generally to this blockchain.

Nice post @crypto.piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as i do support those who are responsive)

Cheers,
Piotr
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@nahupuku · 
awesome post my friend and analysis, i think just the same, i prefeer to get most genuine public from my own posts, and few votes but the ppl thar read my original content. in the past when i begun to Steemit i pay some bots, but i dont get the benefit. or very low, i dont have anything against with the people that use bots, but i dont be necessary for me. i prefeer to get my upvotes from real people thar read me. blessings and take care ;)
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @nahupuku

Somehow I've missed your comment.  How's life in Venezuela? Getting any better or still very hard?

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@nahupuku · 
hi my friend

its ok dont prob about the missing stuff

its worst than hard

your welcome, blessings.
Nahu
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@namcmd · 
I don't use bot, i don't know how, so i am new in steemit. after reading this article, i am searching about bots, thank you for this article @crypto.piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
absolutely. all the best @namcmd
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@crypto.piotr · 
absolutely. all the best @namcmd
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@nicholas83 ·
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I have used bots before, and to be honest I do not know much about them beyond the superficial. It is often enough, however, to make me realize that it very seldom profitable. What they do is that they make your work more visible so users will of course jump on the band-wagon and upvote you. This strategy has worked for me a handful of times.

My issue with bots, however, is not only of profitability but of quality. As people are loath to be honest on this platform, I will be a lone wolf and say that there is a lot of garbage on steemit. Call me sour grapes but I find it troubling that the merit of many pieces on this platform is measured by what he/she can buy as opposed to the quality of his/her content.

Because of this many wonderful posts go unnoticed, even within their section. With the exception of @berniesanders and company, few are willing to call these things out. Pertaining to the whales, they have the opportunity to either call out these individuals, or merely refrain from voting for them. Unfortunately, we find that some are of participants in this.

My question therefore is; going forward, what will this mean for content on the platform? To be fair many groups are addressing this; in the sense that they are seeking out and upvoting great content. To be fair, I have benefited from this. But as is usually the case, they are in the minority.

That's my two cents. I hope I answered the question.
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@nopenotagain · (edited)
Thanks Piotr vor writing another informative post!

Actually I am not using those bidding bots. My goal was it always to gather knowledge and grow as an platform...thus bots are in my opinion only useful when they are used as an incentive to motivate the community. Bots are also quite nice for automation processes but nevertheless I am not a fan of 'em and only use steemauto and such services for the time when I am not controlling my account. It is an autopilot with a couple of little extras ^^ 

Greed and the thrive for more can end us in a couple of problems. Imagine what happens if more bots than genuine users would use steem..the power would shift to bots but the what makes this platform valueable is the people on the platform thus those guys who are  'mis'using bot accounts and stuff alike do not realize that they may decrease teh value of the platform in the long run. Most of 'em I guess are here on a 'quick buck' opportunity. 

If the community and the people over here care about this platform, flagging and other stuff will occur more often to those abusing their power. I hope that steem as a community is able to thrive and survive these problems as this technology bares huge chances for the future.

---> just get a couple of your own friends on the network and build something together. More people are what we need and of course therefore more genuine and nice content.


PS: I like flagwars already waiting for the next one to come :D
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @nopenotagain

Somehow I've missed your comment. Thx for sharing your view on bots 

It must be very hard to progresss on steemit without bots. 

> PS: I like flagwars already waiting for the next one to come :D

Im not sure what do you mean.

Yours,
Piotr
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@nopenotagain · 
Hey Piotr!

If u flag someones post, u are showng the believe that something about this post is wrong. If enough people are flagging one post, the reward will be denied to the author.

This happened and still happens as we talk to the posts of haejin. Guys like berniesanders were furious of haejins post generating so much rewards continously without having the feeling that the post was worth something.

He gathered some guys and started flagging haejin. As a response guys started flagging bernie and here we are! Flagwar time! 

Hopefully it made sense to u :)

Thank you for welcoming me back but i have the feeling that time will get more scarce in the future :/ lots of things which have to be done and my company is expanding. I guess I'll be busy 'til the end of the year :O still i believe I will be rewarded with much more free time in the future as work such work will pay out in the future :)
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@nosajj · 
Im not fundamentally opposed to bots, but you're right in the fact that they have become custom and practice of steemit. But in my view its no different from other platforms. 

For instance if you want to grow on facebook you're going to have to pay for facebook ads. 

If you want grow your wordpress readership most people will consider running google ads.

Having said that I don't think it's a good look if the current setup of steemit, encourages us to pump accounts or posts with the view just to maximize returns because it kind of goes against what steemit is all about.

I agree with you that using bots to upvote your trusted circle of fellow content creators isn't a bad thing, because you know that they are providing value to you and the wider steemit community.

But not unless the powers that be, decide to downgrade the bots importance in the eco system, i guess bots are here to stay for good or bad
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @nosajj

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

Welcome back after 6 months :) That's a long break from steemit. 

> I agree with you that using bots to upvote your trusted circle of fellow content creators isn't a bad thing, because you know that they are providing value to you and the wider steemit community.

Im glad to hear that we're on the same page! :)

Yours,
Piotr
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@novacadian · 
>Mostly I wanted to know what is the steemit's community approach towards bots in general

Utility Bots have already shown their worth with such  worthwhile projects as @steemcleaners and @spaminator.

Voting Bots are anothet kettle of fish. They were explored in a recent blog post of mine.

For your reading pleasure...

https://steemit.com/steem-network/@novacadian/where-is-the-trust-in-proof-of-brain-mining
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@crypto.piotr ·
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hi @novacadian

Im glad to see we're on the same page. I will gladly read your post in a minute or two :)

ps.
Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Big thx for taking the time to reply,
Yours
Piotr
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@novacadian · 
Voting bots foster the production of counterfeit steem which is covered in a recent blog post of mine...

https://steemit.com/steem-network/@novacadian/where-is-the-trust-in-proof-of-brain-mining

An anonymous decentralized CAPCHA scheme needs developing. Upvotes using such a CAPCHA could then reward greater value.
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@crypto.piotr ·
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Hi @novacadian

Im very sorry for such a delay with my replies but currently Ive been overwhelmed with amount of work that has been related to my latest contest. I never expected to receive such an amazing support.

Thank you for your link. Will check it out in few minutes.

Yours
Piotr
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@ntony · 
Bots are getting smarter and they may take over the world in a few decades. What do bots think about humans? :)
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @ntony

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots 

> What do bots think about humans? :)

That's a hell of a good question mate.

Yours,
Piotr
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@oceansbot · 
You got 35+ upvotes from @oceansbot courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@ogt · 
I for one have not use any vote bot bit bot and i think i am just hearing of the bit bot for the first time anyway, so all i will say is : some times its bad and very much discourageing when you put all you have to a post and you get not much views amd no upvotes,  talking from experience, i remember almost quiring steemit because it was like i was not there and it was like I was writing nothing of interest to anyone or thta my write ups where all bad, till one day i meet a friend who told me my writeup was very good and encouraged me to keep writing and someone out there will see it and then appreciate it and one day i got my very first upvote from @hr1 someone who didnt know me from no where, someone who had read my post and gave upvote, i was so happy because that was my very first after so much, time someone had really upvoted me and had show some interest in my post and the next day i did post another and guess what he also upvoted me again. Oh men i was very very happy,.  I didn't know about any bit bot or vote bot and if i was upvoted by them or had rely on them for upvote maybe it may have made me lazy and maybe i whould not have given time into writing more intereting post for people out there,.. But all the same using an upvote bot, bit vbot is a choice  and everyone has his or hers to to make,  for me I'm more interested in writing something great and earning the reward i merit thanks @crypto.piotr dor a wonderful post hope this was helpful  cheer  @ogt
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

> some times its bad and very much discourageing when you put all you have to a post and you get not much views amd no upvotes, 

I know that feeling. I used to feel that way on facebook.

ps. 
did you consider using 'enter' sometimes? it would make your comments easier to read :)

Cheers,
Piotr
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@oivas · 
Hey Piotr, 

Guess what, this was the logic shock that I had once I joined steemit. I am a published author and blogger on other sites. The unwritten rule elsewhere is that make content so good that people follow you for your writing. It worked everywhere but here, simply because the model of this site itself is different.

The trending page is out of reach, but forget the trending page, the curators themselves are out of reach of minnows. No one cares to read your stuff whether good or bad. It is like needing to use the bots just to go above the noise level and that's where you are even noticed. Hard luck otherwise.

I had such questions on almost all posts during my early days on the legitimacy of bots. But then now my own opinion is that this is an entry fees you have to pay every time you post, so that audience is made available. This continues till the time your audience starts liking you for you, then you can start relaxing on bots. This is where you can think about the profits of your followers by allowing them to upvote and then using the bots.

Look, the fact is witnesses have created these bots as well, so it is unlikely to be wrong. So, maybe we need to understand that this is how this site works. 

Profitability - hmmm ... now that's a totally different matter. Maybe, a separate post on that one.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Wow. what an impressive and valuable comment. Thank you  i appreciate your time and effort.  

>  I am a published author and blogger on other sites

im already impressed. 

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

> But then now my own opinion is that this is an entry fees you have to pay every time you post, so that audience is made available. 

I totally agree with your point. 

> This continues till the time your audience starts liking you for you, then you can start relaxing on bots.

im kind of reaching this point, but it does require so much of my time and work. i know that i need to give back to community if i want to be supported by any community

Thx again for sharing your thoughts

yours
Piotr
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@okipeter · 
I must confess, at a time, I requested the services of a bot, and I was scammed. Since then, I've tried to steer clear of bots. But life as a minnow on SteemIt is such a difficult task. I mean, no whale gets to upvote you. I'm still struggling tho
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

sorry to hear that you had such a bad experiences with bots :/
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@ontheverge ·
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Здравствуйте, а вы русский? Петр
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@originalathena · 
Thank you for the post.i’ve been pondering the same thoughts myself 😔 
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@crypto.piotr · 
are you even human? :)
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@originalathena · (edited)
🤔 that is a phenomenal question.and the only answer that I can comfortably give at the moment is.i am a spiritual being having a human experience.and I would also like to add.i am the real Athena flesh and blood waking up from a very deep sleep.![4CFD7AD0-0A7D-4C6F-8D0F-290388EDADC3.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZGA6PQpcBuGpmEtYdm4cap2e1woDLTyBcXbSDswtmX7q/4CFD7AD0-0A7D-4C6F-8D0F-290388EDADC3.png)

Thank you by the way for sending me the 0.0001 SBD . 😁

I understand now you think that I  am a bot lol ? That’s why you sent me that SBD.aww and here I was thinking that someone actually cared about my blogs and sent me a gift 😔 or maybe that you saw that I am a starving student and you saw my wallet and took pity on me by sending me SBD.by the way nice thumbnail your doggy is so cute 😊
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@otobot · 
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@peak-au · 
I don't use bots. I feel they are just evil. As if there isn't already enough fakery in todays world. If my account can't grow without using them, I will simply leave the steemit platform.
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@pibyk ·
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Bots are integral part of Steem ecosystem - either you have a lot of steem power behind you or you use bots. Just a tool, not good, not bad. It's as simple as that.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thanks your for your kind comment @pibyk and for sharing with me.
Im glad to know we're on the same page.

I recon you are from Poland? :) Pozdrawiam kolege serdecznie :)
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@crypto.piotr · 
obviously going to follow you closely :)
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@pibyk · 
Yep. From Poland, at the moment even in Poland but I like to move around.

A jak byś chciał pogadać to można mnie namierzyć na https://steemit.chat/channel/polish  - konto jest takie samo jak tutaj :-)
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@pizzapai · 
It's acceptable because it's like pay for the service. And you get the traffic but it doesn't bring real loyal followers.
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@crypto.piotr ·
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my point is, that most people will upvote those posts, that will probably bring them some reward in the future.

Each one of us is following loads of poeple but we can only upvote 10times a day. So we will select carefully our upvotes. And knowing that upvoting particular individual would bring some solid reward, most users will most likely choose to upvote his posts. That's just the way it is.

So I found it important to make sure that your posts bring some decent rewards. Otherwise I would risk losing some of my valuable curators. 

There is very "real loyal followers". Im involved in social media marketing for over 2 years now and I've learned that most followers need to be rewarded for their time. One way or the other - authors need to find a way to reward their active followers. Otherwise they will lost most of them. That's the reality.

Thx for your comment :)
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@pizzapai · 
Then they can use the other way to reward the loyal followers like upvote their comments!
Or go to their page to read and comment and upvote in return. 

I believe the real loyal relationship will last forever than those just to curate for rewards.
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@positivesynergy · 
Great post, Piotr. Lets's face it, bots aren't the problem, but really only a shitty bandage (fix) and a necessary evil to try and survive in all the shitty algorithms of the entire steem blockchain. Bloomberg nailed Ned on poor quality on steemit in their interview of him a few weeks ago and he said little to defend the fact that there really is good content on steemit that doesn't rise to the surface organically simply because they screwed up the system from the start and it has become somewhat of a dog-eat-dog game of bot votes to gain some sort of visibility, which skews the trending page (where Bloomberg looked at to get their publicized opinion). I doubt they will ever fix it, because it's become a proverbial cat chasing it's tail cycle where many of  the whale witnesses are running most of the bots. 

As far as your opinion, Piotr, I agree that it is worth a try to see if that may work better than loosing money the main way bots are used. But be aware that they had stated in several places I've seen that they are manipulating the SBD price to push back down to being par with 1 USD and that in my view is to going to complicate matters all the more.  So in my view, if it's broken and they haven't fixed it in at least the year this bot debate has been raging, I doubt they ever will and my time and energy is better spent on <a href="https://www.minds.com/?referrer=PositiveSynergy">Minds.com</a>, where visibility is much better from the start and their isn't a whale economy, which steps on the little guys.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi @positivesynergy

again im sorry for such a delay with replying to that message. somehow i've missed it. thank you also for reminding about that comment of yours. 

i like the fact that you used word 'algorithms' because it's always about it. and they will always be some people abusing it and trying just to make for a living.

myself i always wonder why people care so much about trending page. almost if it would really matters if half of it is promoted low quality junk. 
dont you think? do you think that trening page should be steemit priority?

Do minds.com allow you to engage with people the way steemit does? The reason why i'm here is because it seem to be quite easy to spot valuable people from within this industry.
And personally that's my goal. To surround myself with people and opportunities. Im not sure how easy or difficult it is on busy or minds.com
Could you please share your current experience?

Cheers,
Piotr
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@positivesynergy ·
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Hi Piotr, 

The trending page is important simply because that's all anyone not allowed into steemit's strict gatekeeper member system can ever see from the outside. Thus, Bloomberg's main objective seemed to nail Ned on how poor steemit quality is and Ned said so nothing to defend it, because the algorithm isn't working to bring the quality that is on steemit to the top in the trending page, because the skew the voting bots causes. 

It's kind of funny, actually now that I think about it, that with me promoting <a href="https://www.minds.com/PositiveSynergy?referrer=PositiveSynergy">Minds</a> on steemit the last month or so, that someone tried to bring bots over to Minds to game the system there and what did Minds just do last week - they redid their algorithm to limit the reward mechanism of the upvotes to one per user account per day (meaning more networking is needed) but at the same time the overall daily rewards quadrupled. Now it's fairly easy to make $10-15/day, if you work the system actively, subscribing, liking, reminding (like resteeming), etc. Streemit has had the problem of bots for at least a year I've traced the debate back to and still hasn't been improved, even after being embarrassed like that on Bloomberg.   

>Do minds.com allow you to engage with people the way steemit does? 

I'm not really sure what you mean by "allow", as engaging with people is really this whole idea of social media. On Minds in my experience there is far more engagement that Steemit, given Minds is a true social networking site, whereas Steemit really isn't at all, but is more a blog site only, which has been another of the many criticisms of steemit.  Of course each has their pros and cons. Most people I know on steemit are also on Minds, and if nothing else use minds to promote their steemit posts, which actually look much better there than on steemit, quite ironically, and drive more traffic to their steemit post.
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@positivesynergy · 
You really seem lost in following up in steemit. Is it going to take you 9 or 10 days to reply to this one to?
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@postdoctor ·
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Wow greate article! 
Thanks for using the @postdoctor service!
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@postpromoter ·
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You got a 3.56% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @crypto.piotr!

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@praise-eu ·
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Just picked some valuable points. I have noticed that using bots these days is not truely profitable. Thanks for publishing this.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.
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@proffit ·
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You got a 83.33% upvote from @proffit courtesy of @crypto.piotr! 
Send at least 0.01 SBD/STEEM to get upvote , Send 1 SBD/STEEM to get upvote + resteem
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@qam2112 · 
I cant see how you could make money without using bots unless you invested vast amounts of money and upvoted yourself. People talking about quality content obviously not looking at the hot and trending pages. I would consider this a quality article without bots what do you expect to make?(this point might make the whales try prove a point and you get massive upvotes lol) Its more a business or money making scheme than content based unfortunately I'm sure it started off with the greatest of intensions, the fact they have removed the view counter says it all. There was an article on here about a month ago " truth about War in Syria" obviously a controversial topic however well written, but you would expect a 50/50 split on opinion, she ended up with over 10,000 views never seen that before or after got under 100 upvotes and made under $2 that for me was my turning point as to what this platform is about as when a few of us started talking about it in the comments below they removed the counter few days later(that bit probably coincidence) Sooner or later they have to sort it out or someone will come along and make a better platform?
We hit 1m users last week ask yourselves how many accounts are dormant? how many have set up auto voting bots never gonna log back in or just to cash out one day? how many are bots? How many villagers around the world are voting for themselves to create income for each other Personally don't think you will be left with a lot of actual users. Lets keep an eye on how many votes this post gets and how many comments. Come on Humanoids!!!
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @qam2112

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. I've also noticed you're passionate about crypto :) cool

> We hit 1m users last week ask yourselves how many accounts are dormant?

Most of those accounts are dead. I dont think there is even 100k active users here. What's your opionion?

Yours,
Piotr
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@qam2112 · 
I was going for around 300k but I'm an optimist your probably a lot closer lol  you can tell by how many people actually interact on topics and subjects hardly any and generally the same group of people. We have created the best anti-social network lol
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@reinaldoverdu · 
Greetings, from today I follow you. I share my opinion: I think the bots help the posts are visualized, otherwise who are starting in steemit would not have any other chance, there are too many people and very few whales to support so many people who need it. I personally am requesting help from the whales and from the community in general for a grandpa who lives on the street, I have been asking for support for some time and I have not received anything. then I support the bots taking my money to help, but it is not enough (in my blog is the publication for you to look and run the voice, is very important friend). I believe that bots should be used intelligently, and it is the task of those who know more about steemit, to show which is its correct use to help those who do not know or do not know. your post is quite interesting, you are a great person and I hope that all my tasks leave me time to always read what you publish. I also hope to be your friend and hope you follow me, I believe a lot in the human interaction in steemit, and in the good comments. please do not stop being as you are, I think you're doing a great job. steemit is to meet people, have fun and make friends. and of course support each other and share ideas. I see a good future for the bots, and I think they should be regulated with certain rules to avoid their abuse and that they abuse too. @ned should put hands on the matter, or delegate the idea to a group of steemians chosen by the community, that project should be launched because it is very important.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi 

im very sorry for such a late reply @reinaldoverdu

Somehow I've missed your comment. Thx for sharing your view on bots 

It must be very hard to progresss on steemit without bots. 

ps. did you consider using enter sometimes? :) it would make it much easier to read your comment.

ps.2 followed you as well :) cheers,

Yours,
Piotr
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@reinaldoverdu · 
Without a doubt it is very difficult to advance without the bots, 

I use them to reach certain times. sometimes I use enter to facilitate the reading.

I will apply your suggestion.

Thanks for the follow, I also follow you friend :D
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@reneparedes · 
hello there!!!!
nice post,  well, i think bot alone are fine all depend on the people who use them for good or for bad.
also bot there are a great help into our lives and we need to live with them.

good luck!!!!

have a great day!!!!
👍  
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

Obviously followed! :)
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@resteem.bot · 
@crypto.piotr

Please stop memo spamming.

@resteem.bot
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@cosmophobia · 
Since I am a newbie in Steemit I like to ask you a question.
crypto.piotr did send me this link together with 0.001 SBD that crypto.piotr transfer to my Steem account.
Is what crypto.piotr Spamming?
👍  
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@trumanity · 
This memo spam argument is like the nobidbot and anti-spam badcontent blacklist goodqualitypolice.. it's a sort of economic terrorism waged by those who want to maintain hegemony - they go out like champions, bearing flags and waging this war for all of our good -- but what you and I are saying is.. where's the spam rainstorm.. send me there I want to stand under it with a bucket and collect it.. 0.001 SBD spam give me more

of course it isn't spam. one man's spam is, well.. another mans ham. Incidentally, here in Korea a popular GIFT at Chuseok (a kind of harvest thanksgiving - is a load of CANNED SPAM - about 20 cans in a box is often given to family members as a gift) ;-)
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@crypto.piotr · 
@resteem.bot 

From my understanding it's allowed and publicly accpeted to send small amount of funds to anyone with a memo. Steemit is not providing their users with correct communication tools. We're not even being able to send a notice/message to private individual. Not to mention sending a message to a group of people.

I see many other users trying to boost their posts this way. Why would you be against this method of promoting yourself on steemit? It's already very hard for anyone without big funds to build a presence. 

Regards
Piotr
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@resteem.bot · 
@crypto.piotr

Wrong.

Memo spam is a growing problem on Steemit.
Some people fight for one function that allows you to flag wallet spam.
We hope it comes soon.

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@hotsauceislethal · 
LMAOOOOO
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@crypto.piotr · 
hahaha quite ironic, isnt it?
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@hs518055 · 
Honest People Are Rare (Beware Evil Just Anywhere)
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@crypto.piotr · 
are you malaysian? :)

thx for your comment mate
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@resteem.bot · (edited)
He want to tell us that he send all that messages by copy and paste.
https://steemit.com/@crypto.piotr/transfers

Damm, this guy must be really fast, a hero of his computer mouse.

Oh he got a memo back:


"6 hours ago	Transfer 0.001 STEEM from sgt-dan	Please do not spam my wallet. I really don't appreciate it. Put the stuff out in a post. I give one warning that is it. First time shame on you, there is no second time."

@resteem.bot
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
Hi @resteem.bot

i really dont understand why people like you (with programming skills, knowing how to create your own bots) are going after regular users like me who are  using available tools (sending paid mass-messages is one of them) to promote high-quality content. 

People like me cannot compete with those who use bots (like you do). At the same time steemit isnt providing any communication tools so it's hardly possible to build presence here.

At least Im promoting content, that is not simple advertising and my content is engaging. 

ps. I already apologized @sgt-dan. Luckily he is one of very few people who were unhappy with my message. I counted over 25 responsed in this topic from people i never knew before. So at least Im trying to promote high quality content (im simply doing my best).

I would rather appreciate some support @resteem.bot than just criticizing me. im aware that many people promote spam. But why is it necessary to put those who create quality content and promote it using legaly provided tools in the same basket?

yours,
Piotr
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@resteem.bot · 
@crypto.piotr

Wallet spam is abuse. Stop it or the Steemit community will flag you.

Take this advice as a Steemit noob or not. Your choice.

@resteem.bot
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@resteem.bot · 
Here is the orginal spam message:

"Hi, My name is Piotr and I'm not a bot. I would like to ask you to share your toughts with me about your view on bots on steemit (very hot topic, that seem to divide steemit). I created post where Im sharing my own view: https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@crypto.piotr/what-s-your-view-on-bots-promotion-tool-or-necessary-evil-let-me-share-my-personal-view (or you can check directly my last post on @CRYPTO.PIOTR). Cheers, Piotr"

Just that everybody know where we talking about.

@resteem.bot
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@resteemr · 
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@revostrike · 
A bit late but here's my brief view. If you're seeking for easy exposure and you have the money, go and pay a bidbot. TBH I don't like the idea of paying for upvotes/view. I mean, what is this? another Facebook? I don't blame the owners of bidbots though, Steemit lacks the native features needed to make both curation and exposure more easy, that's why minnows turn to third parties. Now, bidbots are the least of our concerns right now. We need to really improve both UI and UX. It's just unacceptable how primitive the current UI is.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as you're so very responsive)

Cheers,
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@riniwahyuni · 
I do not really understand but for me bots can make a very important tool for users like this blockchain, because basically bots can be taken a benefit to promote development on steemit.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for sharing your thoughts
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@riovanes ·
$0.03
Personally, I have nothing against bot, as I use bot myself. I'm aware that there are some people here that are against using bot, and I respect their view, but to be honest it's incredibly hard to get notice in Steemit and very few are actually getting reward for their efforts. Right now, the only way to get notice is to use bots, unless you personally know some whales and dolphins that is.

In conclusion, I view bots as promotional tools, and maybe they are a necessary evil.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue
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@roji.abraham · 
@crypto.piotr - saw your 0.01transfer and the message to check this post. Seems that works as a better strategy to actually get exposure than using actual bots - going by the earnings of this post (which I assumis is without bots). 

I've tried bots and honesly, it used to be good at one point - but now I'm just running out of steem and sbd faster than I can earn if I were to use bots. So i'm trying to minimise my use of it.. but hen again, you hardly stand to get much exposure without them anyway. so you don't have much choice... hopefully it will be worth it in the long term once my voting power gets up to 58 or so..
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

> earnings of this post (which I assumis is without bots).

Earnings comes mostly from bots. I think I will lose little bit on this post (I've spent more than i will get back) but I managed to attract attention on many valuable people (including you) and that's a huge success to me.

Obviously followed! :)
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@roronoa07 · 
Hello dear colleague, I really took the time to read your opinion on this much debated topic within the community and I must say that I agree with you completely.

The "police whales" are users that I really dislike, they play at being gods within the community and believe that their words are absolute, I believe that a "community" should be a space where people communicate and educate in the best possible way, we are all here to help each other, not to set rules and criticize others.

I believe that there is no easy way to get to the top, and if there is an easy way to get to the top, and if there is, it won't always be the right way, I believe that the best way to grow within steemit is with your followers, to support each other to emerge, voting bots might help, but there is no better support than some followers who enjoy your publications and help you to improve every day.

I have been following you for a while but I like the things you have published, I would like to continue learning little by little with you and continue growing, I hope we can talk later, enjoy your publication, greetings.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for your amazing reply and resteeming my post. i appreciate it a lot

im also glad to hear that we're on the same page :)

> they play at being gods within the community and believe that their words are absolute

exacly. I had similar impressions. the worst is that those people are not transparent. they make their own rules and punish people for not adjusting to rules, that noone (but often themself only) knows about.

ps. did you consider powering up your account and getting some steem? it would help 

take care and let's keep in touch :)
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@rosebach · 
I  am a beginners (a minnows), but  I don't know how to get some traffic into my blog by using this way. :P))
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@rufruf · 
I think bots are a must
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@rynow · 
Hi @crypto.poitr
I am totally against the use of buying votes from **BOT's**. I believe it is against what Steemit should be. Up to now, I haven't used them although the thought has crossed my mind. I believe people should vote for my posts if the like it, therefore I should not buy votes from Bot's!!
I do however use a voting bot to vote on accounts that I like, this is purely to save time, as I don't have time to visit all the people I am following. (I suppose this is also against the spirit of Steemit, as one should actually read content before voting)

Nice post.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @rynow

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

> I am totally against the use of buying votes from BOT's

Thx for sharing your view on bots 

Yours,
Piotr
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@sfturzo · 
i liked  your post! and fully agreed! 
thanks for giving me the clear knowledge about bots and all!

and i loved your this words!

	How to do that? It's pretty simple:  Self-vote and use bots only 1 day after you publish your post. Give curators chance to upvote your post and just then use all possible resources to pump your paycheck. This way you will benefit your curators the most.

thanks again!
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you for your comment :)
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@shenobie · 
Hi @crypto.piotr, 

I just got your message and had a look at your post. I have to agree with what you say, and I do believe that there will be repercussions for using Bots. Equally, there is no other way to climb up the social order to get your posts noticed without them either. 

My latest post does hint at the use of bots. Have a look at my page. 
The reality is I did come onto this platform to write, not earn! 

I am going to use Bots for my latest article and see what happens. And I am going to use them purely to increase my rating to increase my visibility. Those that vote me up can participate in the economy and a stake in the SBD and SP. 

If Whales decide to vote me down because of this then so be it- I can burn all the money, consider it a social experiment and continue writing for independent newspapers in my spare time.  This would be a really good story for me to write about! 

Joining Steemit has never been about the money for me. It is always about good writing. 

Best Wishes,
@shenobie
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you @shenobie for such an amazing reply
i also had a chance to read your other post 'Knowledge, Goals and the Value of Triangulation in Steemit' (you recommended it). good piece of work.

> I am going to use Bots for my latest article and see what happens.

I hope for the best. share your results with me if you have a chance.

I love the fact that you're so responsive. and your reasons to be here are very noble

I will follow you closely :) Yours, Piotr
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@shibleehossain · 
nice post
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@showshidan · 
There are benefits and disadvantages, is hard to say clearly
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for your comment @showshidan
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@siditech ·
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@sleeplesswhale ·
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You got a 28.57% upvote from @sleeplesswhale courtesy of @crypto.piotr!
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@smokeasare165 · 
@crypto.piotr if you dont use bot you will never hit the trending page... and that is the truth
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@crypto.piotr · 
right to the point @smokeasare165
but is being present on trending page even that important? 

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@steembots.info ·
$0.18
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@steevc · 
I choose to not use bots and please excuse me if I don't vote on this post as you bought a big vote anyway. I don't care about getting on the trending page, but then I have a lot of followers anyway. It's my hope that the trending page will be changed to not include bought votes. I'm interested in what the community likes and not what someone has promoted themselves.

My humble opinion.
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@crypto.piotr ·
$0.04
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @steevc

Thx for sharing your view on bots. I appreciate your humble opinion.

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

It must be very hard to progresss on steemit without bots. Im glad to see that you're not giving up.

Yours,
Piotr
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@steevc · 
It depends on what you count as progress. I know a lot of people don't use them and I'm seeing more writing about this topic. 'Bots' are the quick and dirty way :) They are enriching those who sell the votes. I still don't feel any need to use them and I'll continue to support those doing good things
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@stimialiti ·
$1.06
10 months ago I realized that pay for votes is necessary for me:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@stimialiti/ways-to-success-on-steemit

Regarding this part:
>Today i would like everyone to change their point of view for a moment. Stop and look around. You will realize quickly that it is important to help your curators grow. There are many people out there who spent hours building engagement with others and receiving curation rewards. And they will very often be focusing on upvoting accounts with solid reward pool.

>To put it simple: If you want people to auto-vote you, then you need to make sure that your rewards will be worth it. Use bots mostly to support your followers. And they will become very "loyal".

>How to do that? It's pretty simple: linia2.png Self-vote and use bots only 1 day after you publish your post. Give curators chance to upvote your post and just then use all possible resources to pump your paycheck. This way you will benefit your curators the most.
After all we're all "in it together". It's hard to become succesful on steemit as an individual. We all need to build and support community around us if we want to achieve any goals at all.

I used to think the same, and in fact postponed self voting and bot voting until the 5th day due to the reason you noticed
https://steemit.com/curation/@stimialiti/who-should-you-upvote-in-order-to-maximize-your-curation-rewards

Since then I repented it as can be hinted here:
https://steemit.com/curation/@stimialiti/what-you-need-to-know-about-curation
and here:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@stimialiti/the-dolphins-are-not-better-than-the-whales

In addition to the above, the higher SBD is from 1 USD, the more beneficial it is to choose a 50%/50% split, self vote ASAP and pay for votes that will be cast ASAP, to acquire as many SBDs as possible, because in the rewards calculation, SBD counts as a USD, regardless of its real market value.
This is true both from individualistic and from mutual perspectives.
Upvoting haejin for curation rewards is a bad choice regardless of your perspective,

I also dealt with bidbots in these threads:
https://steemit.com/bots/@stimialiti/the-perils-and-advantages-of-buying-votes

https://steemit.com/bidbots/@stimialiti/good-signs-to-look-for-in-a-bidbot


The bidbots I recommend the most are:
luckyvotes, sleeplesswhale, adriatik (now less relevant due to massive undelegation, not vesting and too rare claim of rewards), ubot, isotonic, youtake, proffit, bodzila, voteme, slimwhale

If you are not into voting comments then
aksdwi, francophonie, sneaky-ninja, lost-ninja, bid4joy, redwhale
are decent too, as far as I currently know (my )

There are also some bots which may be good, but their reps are negative, so their upvotes do not increase their users' reputations at all.

People like these are common and not the exception:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@kingscrown/victims-of-zeartul-bellyrub-bellyrubbank-unite-here

Your use of the tags cryptocurrency, crypto and bitcoin in this thread is abuse.
It is also not the best way to reach a crowd that searches for what your thread deals with.
I too struggle with choosing 5 most appropriate tags.
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
Thank you for your valuable comment @stimialiti

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I've seen this post of yours before and I remember enjoying reading it. one of those well written articles.

You wrote:
>I used to think the same


used to? did something change?

>  more beneficial it is to choose a 50%/50% split

i cannot find this split anymore. it look like this feature has been removed. can you? 

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as i do support those who are responsive)


Cheers,
Piotr
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@stimialiti ·
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>used to? did something change?

The answers to this are in my comment to which you replied.

>i cannot find this split anymore. it look like this feature has been removed. can you?

It was removed to protect people from their own stupidity.

>I will do my best to support you on steemit (as i do support those who are responsive)

Would be nice if you knock lucky-robin's rewards from its 7 days old comments.
It is a bot that buys votes on comment spam.
I waste a lot of VP on it.
Then again, I do what the whales' and witnesses' job when I downvote its spam.
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You got a 14.29% upvote from @luckyvotes courtesy of @stimialiti!
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You got a 26.55% upvote from @sleeplesswhale courtesy of @stimialiti!
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@youtake pulls you up ! This vote was sent to you by @stimialiti!
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@successforall · (edited)
Bid bots are practically useless. I use upvote bots to convert my steem dollars to steem power like @takowi does. That is a good steem power building strategy. But with the current upvote bots' payout rate,  even that is a losing propotion (SBD 1 = $ 2). To brake even you need at least SBD 1 = $ 2.15 rate. Even at that rate if the value of SBD goes down after 7 days when you get your author reward, you lose money.

To over come this problem we minnows have got together and formed a small community where steemians can buy upvotes at SBD 1 = $ 2.87 which will guarantee profit for the buyer and at the same time support the minnows to get some SBD to grow their steem account fast. It is a win-win deal for both buyer and seller.

As I see it, the only way the minnows can benefit from the current situation in steemit is to form such small communities and help each other and grow rather than waiting for some whales to come and help or balming the bots or current steemit system.

https://discord.gg/9fp4XSW
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

> good steem power building strategy

do you mind telling me more about this strategy? you got my full attention :)

> To brake even you need at least SBD 1 = $ 2.15 rate.

i never knew about it. Where did you get this information from?

Cheers,
Piotr
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi again @successforall

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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Here is the link for a post where I have a worksheet showing your return on investment(ROI) with different buying rate:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@successforall/minnows-helping-minnows-the-best-way-to-use-upvote-buying-to-build-your-steemit-account-fast
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@surika · (edited)
Los Bots, para mi, son muy importantes en Steem, ya sea que tengas mucho poder Steem detrás de ti o uses bots. Solo una ayuda para los uusarios pequeños, me parece bien. Gracias por tu post
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@sutter · 
Thanks for your request to comment here as I'm also working on a way to discover the value of bots and resteemers on Steemit. I've come to find that social media has a lot of consistency. One factor that makes social media interesting is viral properties. Not all posts come with viral potential. However, there are sometimes forms of content that achieve success anywhere. In order to take the relationship of bot & resteemers into view I need to conduct more testing. The goal is most obviously to make as much STEEM as possible on any given post. I've found that it may be more valuable to create your own set of resteem bots and am considering the venture after I've completed my testing of the services found here on Steemit. I spent between 5-7 SBD promoting this post https://steemit.com/daddykid/@sutter/dlizm3jt. You can see the result at current with over 200 upvotes and rewards that total approximately 1.80 to date. The cost was obviously more than the return. But, it may not always be true with various forms of content. Aside from resteem bots and people there are upvote bots and people as well. There is most definitely an indicator that both in tandem may achieve best results for Steemit users. The majority of my tests have come from SBD earned while live broadcasting on DLive. I'm thankful for DLive. Because if it wasn't for DLive... I wouldn't have SBD to test the resteem bots. Minimal upvote bots were used in my testing. When considering the value of the account resteeming or upvoting it's likely that higher value accounts will reward a higher upvote value. However, it's not always true. The cost for an upvote or resteem doesn't provide a guarantee that use of the processes will provide profits to continue the venture. The @minnowbooster is likely the best way to begin when fishing for resteeming that's effectively cheap at 0.01 SBD to date. SBD value or cost may change in the future. All bots and resteemers are subject to change their values. I would like to invest approximately 50 SBD into a few posts to provide test results that can answer this question in a single post. My goal is to create a number of posts and use a number of resteem bots/people providing a singular opportunity on content from Steepshot. Comparable content like a multiple of guitar pictures would be ideal for the test subject. Offering consistency in the content. However, understand that not all people like guitar photos. I may achieve better results with content based on the crypto currency world due to the connectivity of Steemit revolving around the blockchain. Whereas, there's a higher likelihood that  those searching for content are seeking references relevant to the blockchain. In essence offering comparable content with a musical instrument. I'm a musician. My marketplace is music consumers. Guitars offer the market may be attracted. The goal is to get into the feed of those that may like guitars. Using resteem bots or people independently with comparable posts would provide a law of averages that one may be able to expect when considering following count, time of resteem (most active hours of the internet to recall were 9AM EST and 9PM EST going back a few years. I suspect it's still similar from a broad based perspective.) and engagement results. The values can most obviously be calculated where as an investment of 0.05 SBD results on the picture of the guitar can offer division between earnings and cost. I find, like other social media, responsive engagements are often active engagements. Meaning, the users have to be active to engage. When users engage it's great to reply when they are active. Reward can be earned on replies, and upvotes can be placed on ones own comments increasing reward value. I've only just begun to access the potential due to DLive valued upvotes increasing my SBD. I believe that brining my music to DLive will increase the most growth for my account personally. Therefore, guitar content. I itemized my result from the resteem bots and people used with the song Thirsty. The idea of similar content would suppose that the 10 lyric videos I created for YouTube are all comparable. The bots used on the song Thirsty have provided an impressive result. The investment of 5-7 SBD returned far less than the total invested. But, the truth to the reward is the value of account placing upvotes on content. There may be cryptowhales that support content creators whom place a positive outlook on the crypto's of their interest. It's always nice to think positively about the coins you hold. There may be those that appreciate live music as well. In order to keep the live streamer going there's nothing like gift SBD in exchange for a song and dance. I believe I have discovered some potentials where indicators can be created when considering upvote bots. However, without enough SBD to test their full ability. Whereas, the upvoters and bot voters have a wallet where value can be estimated. Naturally the percentage value is time based and there's no trackers at the moment providing how much ones reward will return in SBD yet. The upvote bot values can be taken into consideration when addressing the question; "Is it valuable to invest SBD this way?" Because the potential of % based return can provide an equation that will reward posts with upvotes. In the case of the lyric video Thirsty earning upvotes was at a cost. But, any fan may be found when engaging the link which can result in iTunes purchase of the album. The consideration for the content is loaded with potentials to profit rewarding beyond the upvote value. Therefore, the desire to place the music into posts and continue prowess on Steemit may require a reserve pool is earned, a plan is made, and content is created to access the full potential of the plan. The ratios of upvote bots value to upvote % chance rewarding an account are most definitely possible to discover. However it may take sometime before discovering the best of the best. Hypothetically, if one was to address the values of accounts and follow statistical data of whale accounts. How many accounts would have to be investigated before coming to find your first upvote bot? In essence if an upvote bot API or advanced programming index was to be created a category by highest payout chance could be created with known cost of upvote value considered. I believe in resteems. Placing content in-front of the masses. The concept of content is one that considers fireworks in the next hypothetical. While in attendance of the fireworks have you ever looked at the crowd and noticed all are looking upward? It's more likely for the larger body of population to be looking in an upward direction during a firework display. Content is like that too. How often do you check your feed? You're following users. But, do you check your feed and engage? Where do you likely engage from? On steemit tabs exist Feed, New, Hot, Promoted, Trending. Whereas, the content filter can provide variation from every feed available. In essence all streaming content acting as a feed. Now, where are the people looking at the time? In consideration to efforts to oust corruption in political favor of one candidate or another imagine the lone content generator commanding the audience while watching the live stream rally. When you find a popular live stream you'll notice comments flying due to the fact that others may take interest in the page that commented. It's not always the case. Not every comment in a high volume live stream is in hopes to gain followers for the account itself. The idea of viral posts and high value content earned by way of accessing the potential of resteemers and upvoters is one that may come with a shelf. Whereas, the investment of 4 SBD in the right place may return a higher percentage value. But, investments below 7 SBD will likely impose majority cost. Which, the return consideration of the MinnowBooster may result in cheapness effectivity as the best way to build a reserve. Explore the possibility where the post Thirst would find additional SBD available and invest in upwards of 30 to 50 SBD on the post. The likelihood of larger whale accounts finding the content may be a direct effect that takes the shelf and rockets the account into a profit. However, the speculation should offer that nearly any post can invest into upvotes and resteems that provide extended reach. The promote button exists on each post. It would be nice to have a connectivity to the transaction where investing 0.001 SBD comes with a 1 engagement placement. However, there's no way to accommodate all posts in that fashion and due to lack of information resulting in transfer to @null account there's zero math to understand the value of the expense. In essence, when I hit the promote button and invest SBD there is a sense of a good karma investment otherwise a coin into the fountain wishing the corporation great luck. Knowing that the Steemit corporation is the sole benefactor and coins into the promote button haven't entirely vanished into the @null abyss. A similar style test can be done with the guitar example to indicate the potential for specific content of interest. Each type of content will perform differently in all suspect where viewers engaging in feeds have different reason. The song Thirsty. How many commented for the placement? Whereas, if @crypto.piotr, myself, and a few others were to upvote this comment it would result in a number one placement beneath the post. Which, is a nice way to think about selecting comments to vote on. Users may have commented on Thirsty sheerly for the fact that it was in the tabs where feeds are surfacing new content. There may have been a whale out there looking at it. But, the line never set the hook because the content styling didn't attract the particular whale enough to be rewarded with an upvote. If the extension of this consideration was to be fully tested to create a website where categorized bots are addressed over calculators a lot of questioning would be out of the way. However, what's the fun in the finished product at this point? It's likely that some form of developer team will realize the value of attracting larger upvote bots with ratios rewarding payouts making the investment valuable. But, the accounts upvoting may change their cost at any time. The calculators would require manual entry due to offerings listed by cost of SBD. 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@crypto.piotr · 
that's the longest comment ever! :) thx for sharing

did you consider using 'enter' sometimes? that would make reading your replies much easier
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@sutter · 
I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for your comment.
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@talking-crypto · 
Piotr, I am a purist. For me from beginning to end, if Steemit is a content site, if there should be a bot on the site,  it should be a bot to sift between good and bad content, and automatically dish out rewards according to the quality level of content from the best content down to the worst in a gliding scale. As interpretation of content could be subjective, there is a clear objective distinction between crappyand good content, that is possible.

To me it should always be about good content. As I am very new, only on Steemit for a week and a half, I have 140 followers, and did 73 posts, mostly very good comments, and got paid more for the comments than the blogs, which has been noticed here and there, but not enough.

I have seen someone writing on the same topic as myself, not the quality of content I put down, earning over $700 for the post. I have noticed, the people earning high rewards, are all using bots. I have earned a small amount, but I think I will take my chances first and continue writing good content, and build my followers. 

Will I one day use a bot to promote? The temptation is lurking at my front door, I don't know.

Bots to promote content is everywhere. On FB you have to promote your pages to get seen. FB have been very good to me in the sense that I have never had to promote content on my page, because they have been promoting my excellent content for free. Thus I have built a following with very little effort, to almost 700 in less than a year for my page, not following the promotion route, only by being consistently posting once a week.

I can see these bots are a huge thing on Steemit, maybe I will be able to beat the system with bots on Steemit, I don't know, time will tell.
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thanks for your amazing and rich reply.

> As I am very new, only on Steemit for a week and a half, I have 140 followers

well. you just got yourself new, loyal and very active follower.

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

> I have noticed, the people earning high rewards, are all using bots. 

To tell you the truth. It isnt possible to use bots to earn 700$ and actually have some profit. It would be very costly to achieve it. So those who have such a huge paycheck are pretty much always losing some funds. But receiving more exposure. At least thats my experience so far. Making any $ on bots is super difficult. Breaking even is usually my target.

Obviously followed! :)
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@talking-crypto · 
Thanks, I have also followed you!!
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@talkingwiseshit · 
Awesome post bro. Only one thing, why do you and so many other people here and on YouTube write things like "I'm not a financial adviser" etc. I really don't get it, if people are dumb enough to invest without doing their own research it ain't nobody's problem but theirs
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@crypto.piotr · 
From my understanding it is recommended (if not required) to underline that im not a financial advisor whenever it does look like Im giving financial advises.

it may be silly, but we (influencers) need to protect ourselfs 

thx for commenting
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi again @talkingwiseshit

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)
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@talkingwiseshit · 
OK. Got it. Thank you for replying
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@teres2018 · 
I understand using paid bots is one of the many ways to send traffic to your steemit blog, what are the other ways that are free, may I ask?
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@crypto.piotr · 
thanks for your comment @teres2018

there is only one way that doesnt cost money, but it cost time = building engagement by commenting other users posts.

cheers,
Piotr
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@tetroxide · 
To make long story short - the more steem power you have the less you like the idea of bots. And the reason behind it is a very simple one - one doesn't like competition. Of course all those anti-bot fighters officially declare that they are against bots for ideological reasons but this is bullshit I don't buy. I don't totally discount altruistic reasons but if such reasons are openly declared and widely advertised by so called "altruist" then this stinks 😉

I see the following pattern - people who are against bots are usually either well connected (have strong backing from their friends/colleagues so even if they publish crap it's always upvoted) or have a lot of steem power. So basically those who don't need them hate them.

My opinion? Well, they are allowed so shouldn't be discriminated against. Bot is just a tool and as with any tool it can be used for good or bad things. Just do your own math and don't spend money on unprofitable bots.

Pool rape? Well, in that case if a big account is voting not for the content but for the person (because there is some unofficial connection between both) then it is also pool rape. At least with the bot you have transparency - you get what you paid for and you don't have to be nice to the bot to get an upvote 😛
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
hi @tetroxide

im very sorry for such a late reply

Somehow I've missed your comment.

Thx for sharing your view on bots.

> I see the following pattern - people who are against bots are usually either well connected (have strong backing from their friends/colleagues so even if they publish crap it's always upvoted) or have a lot of steem power. So basically those who don't need them hate them.

Sad reality :( 
ps. I've noticed that you're not posting a lot. Not into blogging?

Yours,
Piotr
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@yanipetkov · 
I am trying to be as long as possible here, because now I have more time, the secret is: I got free from FB, and looking back at it, I started thinking it's so archaic if comparing to steemit.
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@thetimetravelerz · 
Dear @crypto.piotr  A nice and well written post indeed. I think a good post and content needs time to produce and your time and efforts must be rewarded. A bot plays an important role in getting you the much needed visibility.
I believe the whole idea of being on steemit is to increase visibility,
interact with more people and some money should be made in the process.
Having said that one feels that there is so much content being created that your posts goes down and drowns like a stone thrown in water unless you use bots and upvotes.
To use these bots you need money.
The more money you use the more upvotes you get and remain visible for that much longer.
In my experience sometimes the result of a bot is positive and sometimes -ve in terms of ROI.
This is despite having watched the bot tracker steembottracker.com closely.
This is on account of the fact that people wait till last moment to place the bids on the bots and this last minute rush can throw your calculations off considerably at times.
The other thing is that your upvotes are encashable after 7 days so the prevailing rate of steem/sbd plays a part in the ROI.
I have notices that when sbd & steem prices are on a steady uptrend it is relatively easier to play the bots but only marginally.
I think there is another way to look at a bot.
Try looking at it like this.
Suppose you are running a contest.
So you look for a sponsor who agrees to pay you for running the contest. 
Let us say you want to create maximum interaction for an ICO 
so your sponsor agrees to pay you SBD/STEEM 150 as the capital to run the contest.
You use 80-100 steem/sbd to use bots 
So Even if you get 65-110 sbd/steem value as upvotes you get paid the initial investment back plus 50 sbd/steem as profit .
As a conductor of contests your reputaion grows and you have played the bots to your advantage.
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@topfreeser · 
I personally detest the idea of using bots but when I see someone I welcomed in introduceyourself page now at rep 45 and mine is stalled on 38, I have resorted to using bots. 
If not for the money, but for rep at least. 
Wonderful research and presentation you did in this your blog.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @topfreeser

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 

Yours,
Piotr
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@tradelord · 
Bots do the job to redactors. This is very much more easier for the Co-founders to run the platform. Very soon you will see how everything around us will be run from bots or robots. Not only the websites ...
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

i've noticed that you didnt  post anything in a while. followed anyway.

Cheers,
Piotr
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@transparencybot · (edited)
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@trumanity · 
I love the bots because they equalize the system. They show the middle finger to the economic terrorism that we are all fleeing by coming here. If we wanted facistbook, we know where to post right? I don't think I would like being on the trending page as most seasoned people avoid this page (because the dominant whales shitpost there -and ensure only they are trending there or the ideas they like are trending there). Also, I hope I never get a @curie, an Oscar and a Nobel Peace Prize - just look at the ruffians I'd have to share that podium with ;-)

I love your post and glad it is getting so much love... this is proof that a holiday really does wonders!)
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
> I love the bots because they equalize the system.

Im glad to see that we're on the same page.

Thank you for your reply @trumanity and your very valuable comment

Cheers, Piotr
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@truthsfinder · 
This is really true mate! I used bots before, and I realized, my sbd is getting lower and lower every payout. But the hardest thing is that, I find it harder to pleased everyone to upvote my posts :-(
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

indeed pleasing everyone is a hard things to achieve,

thx for your comment, yours Piotr
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@truthsfinder · 
Do you also still use bots nowadays? Hmm
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@upvotewhale · 
This post received a $0.420 (69.76%) upvote from @upvotewhale thanks to @crypto.piotr! For more information, check out my profile!
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@vanessahampton · 
I have been away for a while. This topic is as controversial as it is engfaging as you can see from the number of comments. I dont like bots but the truth is, its here to stay and it serves its purpose.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thank you @vanessahampton for your comment. 

> I have been away for a while

good to have you back
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@viraldrome · 
Our bot is 250 SP delegation contest bot called rewards pool. Everyday it picks 8 users in the pool full upvote, It's current vote value is 4 dollars. In my opinion ist's more profitable than just buying votes. Check us out, I'm not trying to spam if you have questions its probably covered in our into post. Thanks 
https://steemit.com/rewards-pool/@rewards-pool/membership-rules-guidelines
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@vspdivine · 
Hi, @crypto.piotr.
"Well if your content is really good than you should definitely use the bots" the reason is already described by you and other dear commenters, 
Few weeks ago i wrote few lines about my thoughts in 
https://steemit.com/smartphonephotography/@vspdivine/whale-support

everyone knows that fact that we should publish the quality content but how many times our good post get attaintion of someone who has huge amount of SP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
These are some true facts about bots:

::bots are a support for beginners.

::not profitable, if you won't get additional upvote even after showing on trending page(this depend on post quality).

::bots mostly used by the middle level minows who's SP neither too high nor too low.(most beginners don't have SBDs for bidding).
The reason for thinking like that "the bots are good or bad" is the some or may be many abusers that misuse the bots for their shitposts.
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your opinion. Appreciate your comment a lot.

im glad to know what's your approach towards this issue

i will definetly check that link. yours, Piotr
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@wilhb81 · 
Actually, I'm neutral with upvote bots. It can bring benefits and harms in the same time~
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@crypto.piotr · 
thx for sharing your thoughts mate
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@wolfhart · 
I cannot say whether bots are good or bad as a whole.
I have seen some very good ones and on the same token some bad ones .  most that are a loss to use and a couple that provide a profit .  As a new person here I stay away from them .  Mostly because I do not possess the knowledge and the odds of them helping is not in my favor due to the vast number of them . I also do not go to the trending page . Its not a trending page but a paid advertisement page .
Just my thoughts if it helps in the question you asked .
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@crypto.piotr · 
Thank you for your valuable comment. 

I appreciate your time and effort you took to share your thought with me.

I will do my best to support you on steemit (as i do support those who are responsive)

Cheers,
Piotr
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@xsid · 
https://steemit.com/steemit/@xsid/is-any-of-this-real-bots-as-a-peer-pressure-tool
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@crypto.piotr · (edited)
thx @xsid for that link
going to check it out tonight :)

Just checked your profile just to realize that we seem to share a number of interests :)

In particular that we both share a similar passion towards cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology :)

Obviously followed! :)  


cheers
Piotr
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@yanipetkov · 
Hi @crypto.piotr! I am using the bots since the very first week I got signed up here! Profitable in ROI , hmm..., could be! But the most important thing is the benefits you are gaining using the bots as increase of the reputation and followers!  So like generally I think is a good idea to use the bots!
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@crypto.piotr · 
im very sorry for such a late reply @yanipetkov

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots.

I've noticed that you're into crypto but I couldnt find any post about this topic written by you. I will definetly follow you and check out your account every now and then :)

Yours,
Piotr
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@yanipetkov · (edited)
Hi @crypto.piotr! No worries, It has happen to me as well, although I am trying to not leave any comments unanswered. But it happens for sure, we are not bots at least, lol! Keep in touch!
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@yonilkar · (edited)
I am new at all the steemit system but bots can change all the game. We are selling post to investors and bots can helps us to catch them.
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@crypto.piotr · 
hi

im very sorry for such a late reply @yonilkar

Somehow I've missed your comment. 

Thx for sharing your view on bots. 
Yours,
Piotr
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