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I Have Doubts...
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It's time for the elephant in the room post about...[ListNerds!](https://listnerds.com)

We wanted to go over a few concerns that we have seen pop up over the past few weeks and explain to the community, exactly what ListNerds's mission is...

##### "I have doubts..."

This seems to be the common response when anyone makes a post about ListNerds.  And it's usually about the tokenomics of the program.  When we first started ListNerds, the idea was always to develop a content discovery platform that would help do 2 things:

1. Drive traffic to people's websites / blog posts

2. Increase engagement on said blog posts

Some of the bonus benefits have been....

- The development of the ListNerds community which is the reason this platform exists and continues to grow

- Extra upvotes and curation rewards from layer 1 and layer 2 on Hive

- And the rewards...For staking and actually using the system

This last point is what seems to be where the most 'doubt' comes in...

I'll be brutally honest, when I hear that people 'doubt' the CTP tribe, community and management team behind this platform, it stings at first.  Just a few notes to remind those with doubts, that we have been building on Hive for the past 4 (*almost 5*) years now.

We show up, every day and will always be here for the community. Just a quick look and you will find us, daily, engaging with people on the blockchain, on social media, inside our Telegram and Discord groups...We are in front of people, all day **every day!**

But this is crypto, and we get it...Rug pulls happen, people use anonymous usernames and just disappear. We aren't 'those' kind of crypto people.

**Regardless, talk is cheap..Where's the proof?**

Our team consists of...

@blainjones - The lead developer and brains behind the entire tokenomics of ListNerds

@elianaicgomes - Lead support and master of helping customers

@jongolson - Not sure what Jon does, other than shows up and dances on camera every few days

3 people, with long term plans to develop an entire new industry which we call...**Content discovery engines.**

[ListNerds](https://listnerds.com) is the FIRST of many projects we have in this new niche.  And we're building it all on Hive!

That being said...We're 3 people.  And while we might not be able to move at the speed of some other projects on chain, we show up! And DO put in the work, and have plans to grow ListNerds and all our projects to insane heights. However this will take time!

Which sadly, in crypto, isn't respected.  People want things now.  And if it's not done now, they start having 'doubts'.

So this post is a call to calm the doubts.  We have our buy wall set up, to purchase ListNerds tokens but this was never meant to be the end all solution. We want and will work towards making the ListNerds token attractive.  Adding new use cases and getting feedback from the community on how to improve.  

The side benefit is the rewards, **the big reward** is the engagement and traffic you should be generating! But no matter what...Brining value and use case to the token is our #1 priority!!

If you have suggestions, comments and...Doubts...Come to us!  Talk with us! Give us the feedback you think we need to hear so at the end of the day, we can all develop this new content discovery tool to be the premier 'traffic and engagement generator' on Hive.

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@alente ·
$0.09
If their is one thing I have learned about CTP and List Nerds. It is that I can trust the admin.
They have proven them selves numerous times to me.
I have learned a whole lot from them already and will continue learning. 
It is worth all the money I have spent. 
I have no doubt that they will do everything they can think of to make List Nerds successful.
Pioneers and entrepreneurs don't always win at every thing but they don't give up. 
This is the first "Mailer" of its kind and I have faith that it will work.
I think the whole concept is awesome!
Doubt is always normal with something new. I have less doubt because of who the Admin is.
Keep on rockin it.
I will be right their with you.
!CTP

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@ctptalk ·
I think that's a great point. Even though it's on a blockchain and there are rewards, it's main purpose is to drive traffic and engagement.  I hope people see the value of that before relying on the price of a token.
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@benthomaswwd ·
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Doubts are other peoples fear and is the biggest killer of dreams and unicorns, stop the madness get on the Listnerds choo choo train, enterprise all the way or get out the way 🤣

Great job CTP Team 
@ctptalk 

!LUV

**Came from Listnerds**
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@ctptalk ·
Thank you sir!  Appreciate the day one support!
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@benthomaswwd ·
You are welcome have the best one team @ctptalk keep rocking my friends 😎
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 !CTP
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@luvshares ·
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@beststart ·
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It's the same old story. It happens in ANY financial market when prices are down. Do these naysayers see what is happening in the WORLD economy? Prices fluctuate and cycle all the time. Every time the prices cycle down, people scream that the sky is falling. all the while, those who are level-headed are buying and reaping future gains. You just need to decide what side of the fence you are.
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@ctptalk ·
Oh big picture, this is just the beginning of the madness going to happen in the world.

Thanks for the support man, appreciate you!
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@bozz ·
$0.08
Thanks for posting this. Just in case I am one of those people, let me be very clear. I don't believe I ever doubted the team or the project itself. In fact, I think I spoke pretty highly of them in my post and said one of the main reasons this could succeed is because of the team. I am one of those who has concerns about the token price holding. Right now the ratio is quite good and the chance to earn is very high. We have seen what happened to Leo though. Great team, but the token is severely undervalued.  My fear is that could happen here. Especially if too many people dump carelessly.  I guess either way, you are still driving engagement and traffic, so the tokens could just be considered a bonus.
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@ctptalk ·
$0.02
Nah man, appreciated all your support and posts about the platform!

Oh I think it's bound to happen.  People really have zero patience in crypto. And just look at everything LEO is doing, still the price gets pooped on.  But long term, that's what we are looking at.
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@bozz ·
Yeah, I imagine there will always be weak hands.  Thanks for doing everything you folks do!
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@bradleyarrow ·
Amen 🙏 


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@buzzgoblin ·
$0.07
I sure have doubt about the use-case of LISTNERDS. But the thing is, it cost me nothing to send out my weekly mails and collect my staking rewards, so why not stick around and see how it turns out. This project still looks great.
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@ctptalk ·
The use case is...Engagement and traffic generation.  The more you stake, the more you can get on top of all the benefits of using the system, like you said...Costs nothing but a little bit of elbow grease :)
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@cmmemes ·
$0.07
nah, I don't trust anybody, not even myself : P
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@ctptalk ·
You and me both lol
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@devpress ·
$0.07
Now that we are moving towards the recession, what are your views on the future plans? What do you think one should do when it comes to the portfolio to withstand upcoming days? Do you think we have to change few things like curation, content and diversification? Do talk about this in cryptomaniacs :)
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@ctptalk ·
Oh great idea....We'll tackle some of it this week on Friday!
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@fiberfrau ·
$0.07
This team rocks--every day, month after month, year after year. No doubts. !CTP !BBH
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@ctptalk ·
$0.02
Appreciated, thanks Kimberly! 
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@gadrian ·
$0.07
I have no idea what's going on (probably better), but I trust Jon, Blain, and now Eliana. Otherwise, I wouldn't be involved in practically all of their projects.
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@ctptalk ·
I have no idea what I'm doing most days...I just dance on camera!
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@gratitudemine ·
One has to stand for something, I presently stand with Listnerds, either through the good or the bad time.
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@hariton · (edited)
$0.07
There is a place in the bible that says "expectations postponed make the heart sick" maybe they expect a smooth ride to the top but with the constant check on the price they see things are not looking good and are unfriendly towards it. I knew June was one of the worse times for the past 3 years on crypto not looking good so I have to get myself ready for it. 
it's either I withdraw some money before that or I add some, to stay on a safe side.
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@ctptalk ·
Rough times happen, but when you get through these, it makes you that much stronger.
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@hive-112281 ·
Because this is such an awesome post, here is a BBH Tip for you. ![](https://images.hive.blog/p/2bP4pJr4wVimqCWjYimXJe2cnCgn8E8ycTJsHnU9Pw4). Keep up the fantastic work
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@ifarmgirl ·
$0.08
It seems to be the default response of some people, to start the "doubt" process based on the price. It's a "keep on buidling and going" for me :)

Kudos to the CTP team for all that you do!

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@ifarmgirl/re-ctptalk-4mnecm)
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@ctptalk ·
Thanks for the support!

Yeah price is a killer for sure...It's make ya and break ya!
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@ifarmgirl ·
Pleasure :) Let's BUIDL instead not break, hehe! Cheers!

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@ifarmgirl/re-ctptalk-3sjdyj)
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@ijat ·
$0.08
Thanks for posting.  I look forward to seeing new use cases introduced into the environment.  I expect the price will drop until it finds a good balance point between creation and usage. I don't doubt the team they are doing a great job promoting Listnerds and getting new people added into the ecosystem. The number of daily emails appears to be increasing each week.  This allow for anyone working the system to reach a verified 15000 email credit mailing about once per month or two. 
!PIZZA
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@ctptalk ·
People are really enjoying the platform and using it every day. We hope that continues and more people see the value of the engagement and traffic it generates.
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@jfang003 ·
$0.07
People need to stop focusing on the price. I consider the development and the community. So Listnerds has it both and I trust you guys. It's not like using it will really cause you to lose much either.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@jfang003/re-ctptalk-4ckts1)
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@ctptalk ·
Appreciate you sir, thanks for the support!
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@jimmy.adames ·
$0.06
I bleed CTP I bleed Nerd 🤓 No diggity No doubt. Things are rough across the board and anything HIVE and CTP universal, I’m not worried about - at all. 
👍  
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@labuenavida ·
$0.07
Hi, I can't agree with you more. I see you guys show up daily (love the thursday show too!), and I see what is happening on Listnerds too. I show up every day, (although I am not a rock star with posting yet). It's too bad that people have "doubts" but on the other hand, isn't that a bit normal? Anyhow, I can't wait to see where this project goes in the future. I am a lucky guy to be allowed to use this project.
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@ctptalk ·
Commenting is almost, if not more, important than daily posts in my opinion. It is the currency for content creators!
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@labuenavida ·
Yes, I can understand that. I mean everyone is putting a lot of efforts, so to talk about what is written is rewarding, totally logical!
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@lisamgentile1961 ·
$0.06
I don't have any doubts that ListNerds is an awesome platform and will continue to grow. I am growing everyday on the platform. And seeing content I wouldn't normally see. And I know for a fact that you guys are around all the time every day.. No doubts here. 
!CTP
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@ctptalk ·
Slow and steady. Always!
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@lisamgentile1961 ·
Yeah and I am kind of too old to be sprinting anyway. LOL 😀<div class="pull-right"><a href="/@hive.engage">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@magnacarta ·
$0.08
> That being said...We're 3 people. And while we might not be able to move at the speed of some other projects on chain, we show up! And DO put in the work, and have plans to grow ListNerds and all our projects to insane heights. However **this will take time!**
> 
> Which sadly, in crypto, isn't respected. People want things now. _And if it's not done now, they start having 'doubts'._

<sup>Bold and italics added for emphasis</sup>

People need to learn delayed gratification.  Just as it's important offline, it's important in markets of all types.  This included the cryptocurrency markets.

If it looks as if we're in a bear market, then this is the perfect time to continue development.  After all, it's been said that bear markets are when fortunes are made, and bull markets are when fortunes turn to cash.

As for ListNerds being a 3-person operation, that's what makes it even more amazing.  How many people are assigned to Project Blank?  Or to Polycub?  My guess for both is "more than 3 people."

Sooner or later, there will be bumps and obstacles of all kinds which need to be overcome, and CTP can't escape them.  None of us can escape them.  For those times, I suggest following the example of a [fictional famous person](https://proofofbrain.blog/hive-150329/@magnacarta/rocky-balboa-hodler) who keeps to himself and pet turtles these days when he's not giving life-changing advice to his investment banker son or living out the dream on his own terms.

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@ctptalk ·
Thanks for the support and the kind comments!

Yeah we're always working on things. Might not be evident every day, but our plan has not changed. Build on Hive!!
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@malopie ·
$0.07
Running a full flesh project isn't a day job, most times it takes a pretty long time for it to materialize it's full potentials, so as such, no pressure, every token/coin is down currently, so if that be anybody's heartache, they need to chill out.

Developments will always find a way around it, looking forward to what your team will come up with...

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@ctptalk ·
We've got some pretty big plans...Just going to take us some time to get them all realized! 
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@mba2020 ·
Doubts are a general part of doing business. I admit when I first got involved with Listnerds everything seemed too good to be true. The rapid success of the platform along with not only payouts to myself in Listnerd and CTP tokens also received about triple the amount of engagement that my post normally generates. 
All of this success can create a lot of doubts especially when a person is not accustomed to online success. 
I have read a lot more articles on how great Listnerds is both the platform and token and have only seen some random comments about listnerds doubts. 
Just remember regardless of how successful the platform and token is "a hater is gonna hate."
Personally, I believe that Listnerds will become one of the best platforms and tokens on Hive Engine.
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@mykos ·
well i give you all props for trying something different atleast that makes sense. leofinance is a cloned tribe like all of them atleast you guys have a different approach and need, so i mostly watch projects like that

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@ctptalk ·
Ummm, pretty sure LEO was the first tribe on the blockchain? No that was PAL first but then LEO?
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@mypathtofire ·
$0.07
The project is only 6 months old and will take time to mature. The real value will come much later once the project is matured. There is so much more potential and I think the CTP team are going to be able to realise it! Keep up the good work!
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@ctptalk ·
$0.03
It's a brand new concept in our industry and we're seeing more traditional marketing platforms embrace and adopt our model!
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@poshtoken ·
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@rcaine ·
$0.06
I never doubted you. I do doubt some members reason for being here. Thanks for everything you do.
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@ctptalk ·
Thank you sir!
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@rpren ·
$0.08
In terms of how the financial markets view businesses, growth becomes momentum becomes contrarian becomes value. Value beats growth over the long term.
You are right though. Attention spans have become very short. Speculators in crypto have been spoiled with short term successes. And the default approach is to churn as quickly as possible.
I believe that the whales on ListNerds understand that this is not a typical crypto project. And that the team and everyone using ListNerds are building a business with and through the Hive community. And as a result are taking the long term view. And rightly so!
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@ctptalk ·
So short...Like, shiny object syndrome is rampant in the crypto world lol
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@rtonline ·
$0.07
Until now, I have never focused on price in my investments, only on buying more from assets I trust. In my opinion focusing on price can cause us to make mistakes, I think it's best to just focus on building.

Price is volatile and we never know where it will go. But if the project is good, it will definitely gain value when the day comes and it will run to its real value.

I see the effort and work of the CTP team and I appreciate them.

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@ctptalk ·
Use case is what matters. That's why we build here on hive. Price is irrelevant to us. We just wanna build!
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@rtonline ·
I'm glad to hear that.

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@rzc24-nftbbg ·
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I think you're right Jon that the doubts usually come from the sustainability of the rewards, but due to a different reason. Most people could not believe that ListNerds is giving such high rewards for creating content. However, the way I fight such doubt is first by looking at the team behind the project. Though I don't know you personally, the fact that you are always online on telegram, on Hive, and on your regular podcasts, these activities to me build trust. 

Another way to fight this doubt is by looking at the tokens' maximum supply, and the quantity of liquid and staked tokens. People are worried that the sellers will overwhelm the buyers causing its price to drop. But as I responded to one post. How can that be since the big holders are stakers and only a tiny amount of the token is liquid? And besides, the concern of the big holders is for the platform to succeed for doing so is consistent with their own best interests. Of course, it won't avoid some smallholders who want to have a quick gain from disposing of their tokens. But the effect of such selling is only temporary.   

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@ctptalk ·
$0.02
Yeah there is most definitely not millions upon millions of ListNerds tokens.  And you are right, a massive chunk as staked. Same with CTP too. We didn't wanna flood the market, and try to keep them scarce :)

Thanks for the support!
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@shanibeer ·
$0.07
Yeah, people do get excited about price, whatever it is doing. Several posts have focused on how much the poster has earned through ListNerds and that has added to the usual mix of wanting everything right now.

I signed up recently as part of a project to build a team for @spinvest, so only just learning how it works. From your post, it looks like a primary motivator was building engagement on HIVE and its frontends, although obviously that can be extended out to any blog/website/business.

It is an interesting tool to help people focus and a route to finding people to engage with, which is often a challenge.

I had a couple of questions (maybe they will be answered in the induction emails):
- how are receivers selected for any email? for example, if I send a mail to 500 people, what is the criteria for who receives the email?
- is it the same 500 people that receives future mails, or is there some sort of rotation and how does that work?
- when I send a mail, I guess there are some analytics about who is opening them?
- are there cross-platform analytics about tags on posts that get a lot of views?

What I'm trying to assess is how we are building audiences.
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@ctptalk ·
- It's random 500 members, but we will be improving that to perhaps concentrate on specific accounts. Of course, the accounts must be active.

- Random, but again, we have some ideas on how to spice things up.

- [Pelytics.com](https://pelytics.com) for all your analytics and tracking needs!

- not sure what you mean by cross platform analytics? you mean different Hive front ends?
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@solymi ·
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The but wall seems to have vanished over night. Anyways the extra traffic I see on my posts, the higher number of comments and reblogs makes listnerds worth my time.
Would be amazing if there would be a way to spend LISTNERDS to pay for the premium and other upgrades. Maybe with some kind of a burning mechanism?
!PIZZA
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@ctptalk ·
You are able to use ListNerds tokens inside of ListNerds right now :)

Yeah, people have been selling...It happens. Our funds are drying up for the buy wall, so eventually, the markets will decide.
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@taskmaster4450le ·
$0.78
But but the price.

Screw them.  Seriously.  If there is anyone who doesnt have to prove themselves in terms of dedication and commitment, it is your Three Amigos.

Any nitwit should see what you are all about (like you said, there are hundreds of posts and thousands of comments detailing that).  You do a number of videos each week, many which touch upon what you all are doing.  



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@blainjones ·
$0.02
YEAH! What he said
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@bradleyarrow ·
You nailed it 👏 
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@brando28 ·
That's exactly how it is. Well said!
!CTP
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@ctptalk ·
Appreciate you sir!

Always a tough go when we're stuck on price. It's about to get real rocky over the next few weeks me thinks too lol
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@dkid14 ·
Agreed.  3 of the best on hive.  !PIZZA
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@ericburgoyne ·
very well said. I have been dealing with Jon and Blain for a decade  they show up and do what they say they are going to do!
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@lisamgentile1961 ·
What are they not seeing that is causing them to "have doubts"? I don't get it.
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@tokenizedsociety ·
$0.07
> we show up! And DO put in the work

That is true and it's something that nobody can deny. This team is one of the most active on this blockchain and it keeps on doing great work day after day.

ListNerds really change the way I think about this blockchain and the way I interact with it so I'm really looking forward to see what is next!

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@ctptalk ·
Thanks so much!

Yeah so many things planned...We've got a big picture 'veew' of what we wanna do...
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