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The price to performance index: EOS, Ethereum, Tezos, Tauchain by dana-edwards

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· @dana-edwards · (edited)
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The price to performance index: EOS, Ethereum, Tezos, Tauchain
For every dollar you put into EOS do you get the same value from it as you would for every dollar you put into Ethereum, Tezos or Tauchain?
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When Dan Larimer designed Graphene it's competitive advantage was performance. If Dan Larimer continues down this path as indicated by his posts on Wren then the competitive advantage of EOS will also be performance. 

Dollar for dollar, I would expect that with EOS you will get more performance for the exact same cost when compared to Ethereum. 

Tezos is offering the competitive advantage of a secure smart contract language, which gives greater reliability. Reliable smart contracts is a performance advantage over Ethereum which suffered from the collapse of TheDAO. 
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In my estimation Tezos offers security but sacrifices simplicy and ease of development. In this case the costs might not actually go down compared to Ethereum because very few people actually know OCaml compared to Javascript. Solidity is not easy to program in, but it's familiar enough that most programmers coming from typical syntax can pick up on it quickly. 

Tauchain competes by being secure yet also capturing simplicity using simplified English, which could in theory give it the advantages of Tezos without the risk of knowledge centralization and high development costs.
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Note, because EOS, Tezos and Tauchain have not yet been released, all of my musing above is speculation. The point is that the developers and crowd will in my opinion flow to the platform which offers the best price to performance ratio for what they want to do with it.  Tezos being more secure than Ethereum will definitely be used. Consider all of this pure speculation until all three projects are released and we can benchmark them.

It is in my opinion that these are the main four in terms of technical specification and potential. Tezos and Tauchain are both self amending. EOS is yet unknown but if it is DPOS then we know what it can do. Ethereum is known, and it's limitations are known.

https://youtu.be/tyBjbI0UsC0

References
http://www.ethereum.org
http://www.tezos.com
http://www.tauchain.org
http://www.eos.io
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@alex13 ·
Thanks for sharing! I recently discovered really interesting story explaining why Ethereum Classic may surpass Ethereum. It would be interesting to find out what would be your opinion on this subject matter. Here it is:

As an early Ethereum supporter, I've come to the difficult conclusion that Ethereum Classic will eventually surpass Ethereum in market capitalisation in and around the Casper transition.

Why?

I've empirically discovered (for myself) that the economics of PoW are fundamentally different than PoS.

Ethereum will excise all it's miners during the Casper transition and this will collapse its internal crypto-economy that drives its current market-cap.

Since Ethereum Classic intends to maintain PoW (even if hybridized), it will not suffer the marketcap excision of (2).

During (2), the miners will likely migrate en masse to Ethereum Classic (rather than forking) resulting in the transitive transfer of the lost ETH value into ETC (via the crypto-economics of mining).

On the basis of (1), (2), (3) and (4) and assuming nothing else environmentally changes, it's clear that this value transfer will occur. I've personally re-positioned my own holdings based on this reasoning (which was a painful decision, since I was one of those blockchain developers who berated ETC during the DAO fiasco).

Is there anything that could change this inevitable outcome?

Unlikely. Suppose that dapps like Augur or Swam City become massive successes. The demand-side liquidity they induce should offset the downside from (1)-(4), except that:

Any dapp success or innovation on Ethereum can (and most likely will) be duplicated on Ethereum Classic, since it's all open sourced.

The only scenario I see that can keep Ethereum beyond Ethereum Classic is the promise of mass scalability from Casper & Sharding. This means a dapp that cannot be computed on the Ethereum Classic network. Though this could happen (assuming casper + sharding were astounding technical successes), this scenario is far ahead into the future and all of the above still needs to occur before then.

On this basis, Ethereum Classic is likely to surpass Ethereum during the Casper transition. What are your thoughts on this?
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@psamuelson ·
There are other things to mine like zcash.  POS systems are alive and well today that have not experienced the effect you are discussing.  I would tend to think this is very unlikely that ETC with surpass ETH, ever.  ETH has intense community support and better developers.
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@crowdedmind ·
Being a bit newer to cryptocurrency, this is a post I have saved to re-visit as I learn more about the technology, various use cases, and macro-market scope. Very technical, but you make it easy to do the research on considering the references below! **Gave you a follow - I'm a crowdfunding advocate and learning about cryptocurrency to ultimately democratize access to capital for all...the government regulations completely choke out innovation.** Looking forward to reading more of your posts!
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@hedge-x · (edited)
I don't know much about Tauchain or EOS but Tezos seems to me like the most promising in smart contracts outside of Ethereum.  I believe its possible for a few of Ethereum Dapps to failed due to bugs in the smart contracts.  Similar to what we saw with the DAO. Its unlikely but possible.  All the major DAPPS have undergone intense audits but their is still room for human error.  This is one main reason we see a slow release of Digix and Augur.  They want to be extremely careful to test heavily with their beta users to ensure the contracts are secure before what potentially could be millions of crypto running inside them.  Tezos may solve on of the key problems of hard forking since it can self upgrade with its governance system and seed fund itself.  OCaml may offer safer smart contracts.  Tezos def has great potential to be good option for developers seeking greater security although the benefits of Tezos or any other smart contracts platform may not out weight Ethereum's growing network effects.  A good example is Bitcoin.  All the troubles with the blocksize war and yet here we sit at 30 billion dollars due strictly from its first mover advantage.  Not b/c its a better system.  Brand name matters.
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@dana-edwards · (edited)
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Tezos is promising in it's design but the problem is likely the cost of development. Think about it this way, if it's not easy to develop for then you end up paying more for the same code you could get for much cheaper on Ethereum, EOS, or Tauchain. Tauchain will have the competitive advantage over all of them in terms of development cost but Tauchain hasn't arrived yet. EOS will likely arrive first and also have a network effect to work with, and given enough time developers will learn to develop for EOS, but Tezos launches at the same time as EOS, and if a developer like myself has to look at each one and figure out which one is the one I can immediately code someting up? It might turn out that EOS is more developer friendly.

So it's about who wins the developer and who has the most dedicated stakeholders. Tauchain and Tezos are new kids on the block in terms of the community building bizdev side. It takes years to build a community, even when you have something potentially viral like Steemit. Tezos as it looks now seems to be nice for cypherpunks and hackers who know functional programming but it's not going to bring in the sort of every day people you see on Steemit or even Ethereum.
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@hedge-x ·
Developers, Developers, Developers!  Very important.  I wanna see how Tezos crowdsale goes.  There's some very high profile VC's that are coming into back it.  Its hard to tell what advantage it may have now with OCaml and its governance system.  If the system is truly more secure from bugs and 0 risk of chain splits then I think for some very high level use cases developers would choose to build on Tezos instead of Ethereum.  Since blockchains are each their own economy I think will see several large smart contract platforms that make it long term.  Several large Social media blockchains too.
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@hedge-x ·
Do you think Agoras token is a good buy at this price?
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@holabebe ·
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dana, what  people mean by "immutability" ,this is the reason why bitcoin maximalist prefer bitcoin, they argue etheruem does not have "immutability." Thanks.
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@dana-edwards ·
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No, they are talking absolutist philosophy. Ethereum has immutability, it just has two chains. Bitcoin can fork as well and ultimately just because you have two chains preserving immutability it doesn't mean socially the human beings who give meaning to all transactions will prefer the chain which has no respect for people. So the fact that ETC exists shows what will happen, the less popular fork will not have the developers,  will not have the community, etc. An unethical chain will simply become less popular than an ethical chain which proves any chain exists to support a community and not for it's own sake. 

You cannot reverse history, but you can create two histories and ignore the fake history.
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@holabebe ·
Jesus i'll be lost without. Thanks
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@innuendo · (edited)
> An unethical chain will simply become less popular than an ethical chain which proves any chain exists to support a community and not for it's own sake.

I really appreciate your insight but I think it's unnecessarily to spoil it with your personal opinions. Categorizations like "ethical" or "unethical" are very subjective in the blockchain space.  And we all know that when something is more popular it does not necessarily imply that it is more ethical. 

The confusion of those terms is especially evident when you say this:
> You cannot reverse history, but you can create two histories and ignore the fake history.

In case of Ethereum, the more popular chain is actually "fake history", which contradicts your judgment about it being the ethical chain.
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@idealist ·
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Dan has been hinting that there will be an inbuilt mechanism to reverse transactions (?) by agreeing on arbitrer/legislation when entering a contract. If this is true, it will significantly
1. Lower barrier of entry
2. Lower costs of failure
3. Lower costs of development
4. Increase speed of development
5. Decrease payoff from fraud or malicious behavior

In this case EOS would have the benefit of speed, scalability, ease of development and lower risks. It could also be expected that it has decentralized governance unlike Ethereum and low or zero tx costs, which would open it up for much more use-cases.

All current crypto's have the problem that holders collectively have to pay the price if a criminal manages to steal coins. I don't know how high Bitcoin or Ethereum would be by now if there never was a Gox or DAO situation. That is a very real cost. In addition there is a cost to trying to prevent such failures. If EOS has a mechanism to reverse such transactions by decentralized consensus, it would be a massive leap forward. This probably isn't too obvious, but it's implications on trust, development and agility would be significant.
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@dana-edwards · (edited)
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Reversible transactions are interesting but I don't follow how it can lead to the conclusions you mention below.  I've always known reversible transactions were possible but that seems to be about disaster recovery which I admit is good for resilience and critical for security.  As far as using arbitrators, and dispute resolution, this can be done but Tezos, Tauchain, and Ethereum can all do this so this isn't a technically EOS specific feature unless you are saying EOS can somehow do it better? As far as I now maybe EOS is the first to do it but once everyone else sees how it is done they'll just do it on their.

> All current crypto's have the problem that holders collectively have to pay the price if a criminal manages to steal coins. I don't know how high Bitcoin or Ethereum would be by now if there never was a Gox or DAO situation. 

This is very true. Ethereum is insecure. On the other hand Tezos is very secure at least from the specification, and as flexible as Ethereum. In a sense it is like Ethereum done right in terms of a ground up secure design. Tauchain theoretically from what I know has some surprise features it is capable of which none of the others, and Tauchain will have the benefit of learning from the mistakes of the projects which came before it, just as EOS does not duplicate the mistakes of Ethereum, and Tezos does not duplicate the mistakes of Ethereum.

So I guess my point is what EOS will have going for it is network effect and community, not technical specs. Tezos and Tauchain will be able to equal or perhaps even surpass it in technical specs but that doesn't mean it will have Steemit community, Bitshares community,  Peerplays community, really next to Bitcoin and Ethereum this is the biggest most active community.  Also if EOS smart contracts are a familiar looking language then I'll be able to program it right away, while with Tezos I'll describe it as an alien programming language, not because it's hard but because  it's a different ecosystem with different development style etc.

As far as costs you have a point but I think cost of development is the flaw Tezos could have which EOS likely wont have. If you can spend less to get the same quality code then this is more bang for your buck. I have to see more of EOS or at least a whitepaper before I can really respond in a way which is coherent so don't take my criticism too seriously.
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@idealist ·
All 4 will probably continue to exists for a very long time, and it will be incredibly interesting to see which use cases each of them find. Well, Ethereum has a crazy head-start. It will likely maintain it's lead for a long time because of the network effect and bandwagoning. Dan has a track record of creating new things really fast. Tauchain seems like it's full power will become obvious gradually - like to our grandchildren. Tezos is getting much attention, so let's hope they get something released soon.
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@kaitlynmoore01 ·
Good points in this blog.  Good to see I'm not the only one that is thinking about this. The biggest group of uneducated investors in mankind get's a shot to determine the price of a crypto. It's an interesting world we live in.  I found this amazing platform: https://www.coincheckup.com Supposingly they researched every crypto coin in the scene based on: the team, the product, advisors, community, the business and the business model. They even score the coins stengths.  Check for example:  https://www.coincheckup.com/coins/Ethereum#analysis To see the:  Ethereum Indepth analysis
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@mariokim75 ·
dana-edwards thanks! I am new to this blockchain world, so I started to invest recently in ETH... reading your article just in terms of investing, I feel like I made a mistake?
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@dana-edwards · (edited)
Invest in the platform you personally will use and don't take advice from people like me. I'm a complete stranger on the Internet not qualified to give investment advice. 

I'm a stakeholder, and promote the stakeholder mentality. I'm involved with the projects and platforms I have a stake in. It's up to me to do what I can to develop for, community build, or promote these platforms. Ethereum has competition, but that will not stop me from being excited about certain projects being developed for Ethereum, just as if these were all video game consoles, I'm not going to stop enjoying my favorite game just because a more powerful console just was released by a competitor.

If you cannot see yourself using Steemit then don't buy Steem. If you cannot see yourself using Ethereum don't by ETH. If you cannot see yourself using EOS, Tezos, Tauchain, then don't buy the token. It doesn't benefit the platform if you're only buying it to sell it as that does not contribute to the ecosystem or community.
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@dantheman ·
$0.85
Actually, lending money to a community does help.  It is the holding time of a currency that represents contribution of value. Just don't contribute that which you cannot afford to lose.
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@mariokim75 ·
$0.21
Good advice thanks dana-edwards. sometimes people like me just wanna have some alternative to invest outside the "system"... I invest in physical gold & silver and want to be more diversify...
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@roy2016 ·
$0.15
Thanks for this introduction.
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@sidwrites ·
I have a simple question:

Which one, based on the speculation, do you favor the most? I am trying to read as much as possible about EOS and I find a bunch of other things here.

Just asking! :)
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@steemit-korea ·
So it's difficult to enter into this kind of interesting ISO.
I hope it'll open soon.I expect the reaction of the mayor.
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@trafalgar ·
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Nice post
Very glad you introduced me to Tau chain, it looks very promising

I'd write about it if I understood it more, although I try to refrain from crypto articles in my posts as I think it can put off newcomers

What is the DPOS you speak of with respect to EOS? Admittedly I haven't looked into EOS much
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@dana-edwards ·
$1.23
DPOS is Delegated Proof of Stake, which is the consensus mechanisms behind Bitshares, Steemit, all of Graphene. It is based on LMAX optimization with some elements of the RAFT consensus.
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