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A Random Walk Around Steemit... Things Are not as Well as They Might Be by denmarkguy

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· @denmarkguy ·
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A Random Walk Around Steemit... Things Are not as Well as They Might Be
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<p>I had a little more time on my hands today, so I was able to randomly surf around Steemit, going "here and there" and seeing some new faces... and some old.</p>
<p>At the end of the experience, I feel slightly sad.</p>
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<em>Autumn leaves in the sun</em></p>
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<p>Things have changed here... so many people "looking for shortcuts," and trying to buy votes, and buy resteems and whatever.&nbsp;It felt a bit like an unpleasant song I had heard somewhere else, a <em>very</em> long time ago.</p>
<p>One of the best posts I have read in a <em>really</em> long time came across my desk today... Entitled "<a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@tarazkp/success-porn-a-motivational-scam"><strong>Success Porn: A Motivational Scam</strong></a>," it was written by my friend <strong>@tarazkp</strong>, one of Steemit's most thoughtful and consistent contributors. <em><strong>If you read nothing else today, go read that post</strong></em>.</p>
<p>In our ensuing discussion, this phrase, with regards to Steemit:</p>
<h2><em>"The longevity of this environment is ever being shortened by the importing of the same processes and behaviours that are failing outside the walls."</em></h2>
<p>It has been rattling around inside my head, for several hours.</p>
<p>It made me pause and consider-- on this day of an otherwise very <em>different</em> kind of remembrance-- what's going on here? What happened to the idealistic vision <strong>@dan</strong> and <strong>@ned</strong> started out with? What happened to the notion that we could create a NEW model for social content? What happened to the idea of Steemit as a form of forward looking "<em>gift economy?</em>"</p>
<p>Suddenly, it seems like everyone is all about<em> themselves</em>.</p>
<p>I came here feeling like this had the potential to become an <em>alternative</em> to Facebook and other social media. Simply copying what already is screwed up elsewhere... what good is that? That's not an "alternative."</p>
<p><strong>OK, so a briefer and more inquisitive post than usual. Would love to hear your feedback, impressions and opinions... especially, I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who have been here a while. Did we all just fall asleep to the original ideals we set out to create and promote?</strong></p>
<p><em>(As usual, all text and images by the author, unless otherwise credited. This is original content, created expressly for Steemit)<br>
Published 20170911 18:19 PDT</em></p>
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@amanda12 ·
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I spend less and less time outside my home feed and when I do I mostly mute. A lot of that stuff I have no reason to see.////////////
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@denmarkguy ·
And you make a good point there, too. If you are choosy and *discerning* about who you follow, by the time you're following 200 people, you already have your hands full keeping up with them!
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@barrydutton ·
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I have kept up doing the best I can on here and some of the same problems prevail.

I keep helping people and putting up the #Steemit101 type posts regularly and everything is just down man.

You wrote about how a lot of people feel.
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@denmarkguy ·
That's all we can do @barrydutton.... and "my best" is what I plan to continue with. Some people will like that; for many it'll be boring and TL;DR... oh well.

You do add a lot of good and useful posts to the community.
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@barrydutton ·
Yipppeeeee!!

I love not gettin flagged or yelled at 

LOL

Blessings man.
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@bex-dk ·
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I came for the writers. The fiction writers. And I stay for them and for a lot of the good photography.  But still see too many people not willing to work to improve and that is sad. That's what I like about the fiction-workshop on PALNet. A group of people working hard to bring out the best in each other. It isn't "I'm better than you" it's "how can I help you be better?"
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@denmarkguy ·
You make an important point there... about seeking, finding and staying within a specific niche that serves your interests. 

I came here for "social blogging" and basically roam mostly in the areas of personal development, psychology, writing and art. I look at other stuff, too... but not so much.
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@codingdefined ·
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And the spams, I see dozens of people spamming comments here and there to get followers and upvotes. 

What do you think, how can we improve it as an individual or as a community member?
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@denmarkguy ·
With most of the spammed comments, first I check profiles to make sure it IS the same comment over and over (and not just poor English).

If it is, I leave ONE "friendly suggestion" to stop spamming and engage with people's content. If there's more spam after that, I flag the spammed comment to invisibility... which usually takes little more than about a 3-5% flag (for me). If it's MASS spamming, I pass it along to steemcleaners or spaminator.
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@codingdefined ·
Great I will try to do the same thing.
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@dreemit ·
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I honestly think it was inevitable. But I haven't lost heart because there are still extraordinary people from all over the globe here. And  I believe more will come.  steemit is a mirror of life, we were just blessed to be in its early development before money was the motivation of the majority, and therefore had a slice of time when the best of humanity got to shine here without the riff raff.  
I think of it like this: In the beginning it was a mailbox before the advertisers and bill collectors discovered it. Now that they have you unfortunately have to scroll through the junk mail. I know it's not ideal, I wish it could have continued to only attract the best of us too, a beautiful Utopia. But If you ignore the spammers the same way you would toss junk mail aside, you can still find a slice of it  :)
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@denmarkguy ·
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Alas @dreemit, I believe you're right. I just hope those of us who still care about developing that beautiful future remain vigilant and interested enough to outweigh the vast numbers of "fleas" coming in. As long as we can keep setting an example, I believe there will be those who'll see it and follow suit... but that also means we have to be-- to some degree-- protective enough of what we have here to not just stand idly by and watch it all go up in flames with a shrug and an "oh, that's just inevitable." Good things are worth putting in the effort to preserve.
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@dreemit ·
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We can definitely do our best to discourage them.  Flag and ignore until they have no reason to linger.  We do have a responsibility to self-police, and hopefully that will minimize the damage.
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@wanderingmind ·
Do you think it would work better if up-voting did not have any value associated with it and so people do not go chasing votes for some perceived "easy" money?

Kind of seems to me we need to accept the good with the bad, or the bad with the good, otherwise it turns into a censored platform...
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@sift666 ·
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We are awesome!

Apart from a few of us who are like fleas...

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@denmarkguy ·
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Fleas.... indeed an excellent analogy.
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@dreemit ·
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Fleas! A perfect parasitical pick!  Peter Piper picked a perfect parasite! I need to put the pipe away! And of course I mean tobacco! 

I was just hanging out at your 'place' :)
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@elrull10 ·
good post
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@everittdmickey ·
$0.16
I spend less and less time outside my _home feed_ and when I do I mostly _mute_.  A lot of that stuff I have no reason to see.
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@denmarkguy ·
$0.07
Generally, I do, too. Today was a bit of an exception... which is how this post came about.
Not that anything I encountered was a major *surprise,* really.
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@everittdmickey ·
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lots and lots of chaff...very little grain.
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@sift666 · (edited)
I spend zero time outside my home feed, and mostly only see quality posts

In fact I was  just going on about this obsession people seem to have to rack up thousands of followers but not do any real interaction, in a recent post. (Don't read it, I just realised it would stress you out..)

![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmZxWDrsQiog2ocSvCr3wspGA65B77VJ5kKFGNf73Y15i3/image.png)
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@everittdmickey ·
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I must not stress.
Stress is the mind-killer.
Stress is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face stress.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the stress has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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@inquiringtimes · (edited)
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Well, I haven't checked out the success porn reference.  However, I gotta tell ya, there is so much talent and amazement here on steemit.  It's no big surprise to me that so many come here expecting to get paid for facebook like activities.  You know, facebook was a lot of good things for me, but its an easy place to be a shit head too.  Gratefully I had already cut myself loose from that community, and was looking for somewhere to actually write when I found steemit.

It's not so sad to me about all of the fallen soldiers so to speak.  The reason is that there are so many amazing people here who give their all for next to nothing, just on the hope that they will find the magick formula, or get the whalevote that drags them from obscurity.  Mostly, we all need mentors.  I don't have tons of time to wander around the dimly lit hall ways of the steemiverse.  Lately I been keeping myself busy in the Brightly lit Corridors.

I'm gonna go check out that success porn blog, and see what's up.  Maybe you'd like to check out something I wrote today.

[Why I didn't publish a blog for 10 days](https://steemit.com/minnowsupport/@inquiringtimes/why-i-didn-t-publish-a-blog-for-10-days-and-what-s-been-going-on-lately)
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@denmarkguy ·
@inquiringtimes, Farcebook has definitely had its uses for me... and continues to. Great place to share photos with my relatives in Europe... where they are nine time zones away. 

In a sense, you represent what the *best* of Steemit-- past and present-- is about: active, engaged, part of the community. My bottom line with these things remains the same... *people* build communities-- bots, code and other technology doesn't. 

Anyhoo, I'll go read your piece as well... since today *is* my days to shine a light down new corridors.
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@killerkuasha ·
most welcome man!!
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@lebron2016 ·
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Hi welcome back. I never knew that the vote buying for blogs before was nothing as I am new here and I'm sorry it is a sad song for you. What I've noticed, sometimes I found out here, that it is not about quality but quantity versus quality.
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@denmarkguy ·
The thing about the "vote buying" is that it mostly makes no economic sense. A person might pay 1 SBD for an upvote that gives them a $1.50 lift. Looks good, at first? But payout amounts adjust over the life of a post... and by payout time, that may have declined to $1.20. And then, it is 75% to the author, and 25% to curators. So now you're *actually* getting $0.90 for a $1 investment. Not so clever anymore...

In the meantime, the *service provider* benefits 1 SBD with no risk.
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@lebron2016 ·
Now I get it. I've seen a lot of contents upvoted by the robots and was intending to do it too. I must be very lucky I don't have enough balance before I did not notice vote buying has no economic sense and there will be a guilt to present the money we get from a below par material.
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@lindabasilick ·
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I find it difficult to be "heard" in all the chatter.  Same kind of posts always get the attention.  I'll just keep plugging along....following
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@denmarkguy ·
It can definitely be hard to get seen here. And with so many more accounts than there used to be, it's more work than it used to be. But you just have to persevere and keep plugging along.
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@mackjez-santos ·
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I can tell you that I can here for one reason only, to spread the meassage and my knowledge about an important topic I incountered through my study to become an engineer. I tried for a year on facebook, but I only got likes from my doughter:-( no feedback what so ever. Here in one month I get a lot of feedback from interested people in the topic of my knowledge and interest. So from my point of view it is a success until now. If it will be that in the long run, I don't know. How the platform has changed during 2017 I don't know as I started here 1. August
Great post and discusion
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@denmarkguy ·
That's part of the beauty of Steemit, and what I found so appealing about this place... a much deeper sense of intelligence and true engagement, and especially on topics a little different from the mainstream.

It's good to hear your experience has been a positive one.
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@revo · (edited)
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I expect this is the reality of any growing community.  You probably need to consider that the majority of new people are here for other reasons other than primarily a geeky love of cryptocurrency and blockchains.  I'm fairly geeky, but before stumbling across this place I'd never heard of a blockchain, and the only thing I knew about cryptocurrency was Bitcoin and mostly that was from nearly a decade ago when it popped up on the popular culture scene.  I'm quite fascinated by the whole thing now, so that's why I've stuck around.

Worth considering too is that this model of distributed authentication with its reduced authority in general and specifically reduced State influence, and free market capitalistic principles, is going to draw a lot of particularly individualistic people (i.e. possibly more selfish).  I'm no fan of anarcho-capitalism or right-libertarianism, so it's an aspect of these communities that I dislike.  But there's enough left-libertarians/anarchists around that it's not a total anarcho-capitalist hangout.

For me, at this point, I stick around because of my geeky new fascination with blockchain and cryptocurrency concepts.  I don't find the content here to be particularly high quality.  There's certainly some gems in amongst the rough, but there's a hell of a lot of rough.  And to be clear, that's not particularly that different to most places on the web.  Photography sites are particularly like that, but somehow they manage to surface the better stuff above the crud.  Maybe when this place gets curated communities we will see more of the good stuff rising to the top above the general low quality noise.
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@denmarkguy ·
I came here because it was a new social blogging platform... and it reminded me of something we were doing 12-15 years ago; creating content of some depth and interest, and then interacting with it in meaningful discussions. I didn't now squat about blockchains or alt coins,,, I knew what a Bitcoin was, and I knew Ethereum existed because a friend worked on the project.

I suppose what I noticed most about today's journey around the site is the degree to which more and more newcomers are here purely because they have heard "You Can Make Money Online Posting On Steemit" *(caps added as tip of the hat to ridiculous marketing...)* and they care (mostly) not one whit for the content they are creating, nor the content anyone else is creating... they just want their 1/10th cent per upvote. 

It's an attitude that has changed the underlying vibe of the platform. Does it surprise me? Not at all... but it does make me a little sad that it seems inevitable that every good idea gets swarmed by the "clicking buttons for pennies" crowd.

All I can hope for is that those who do care about better content keep their heads above water and continue to curate wisely.
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@sift666 ·
There is some awesome content, but not on the new tab - it only takes about three months to get a feed with all good stuff!

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@ronni ·
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A positive aspect of Steemit is that, in my opinion, the tone in here is rather polite and respectful relative to other platforms.

We did not import the typical hateful arguing and trolling seen in most forums and social platforms.

I am not afraid to share my personal opinions here because I do not anticipate hateful replies.

Do you share this experience?
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@denmarkguy ·
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Hi @ronni, for the most part... yes, this is a more respectful and polite community than almost any other I have seen... which I would say might be because it is still quite "specialized" in favour of people interested in cryptocurrencies... which suggests above-average education and intelligence. 

And I am very grateful that still holds true here... and it's one of the ways in which Steemit truly is an *alternative* to other social platforms. We just have to work together-- in whatever capacity we can-- to keep things from collapsing.
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@old-guy-photos ·
Thats a good point @ronni
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@surfermarly ·
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I go with the wonderful @dreemit here: probably it's inevitable. "Steem City" - like Ned called it once - is a mirror of society. It's a big think tank, full of different people with different interests. 

Now one might believe that we somehow lost our way towards "that big vision" the founders designed once. But actually I don't even think that we've gone astray. The early adopters who built this platform and pushed it into the right direction are still here - and they are pretty active. There are a lot of projects running, new applications built on the Steem blockchain, cooperations, show cases (like the great Steem park in Brooklyn), events (uncountable meet-ups all over the world). 

I believe that the people who join Steemit in order to make some quick money, the ones who don't have any vision and aren't interested in having one, will come and go - they won't affect the route this ship is following...

Thanks for the thought-provoking read!
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@denmarkguy ·
Thanks @surfermarly-- I really appreciate your balanced perspective. Sometimes I perhaps "get ahead of myself" in forgetting that this is still a very *young* community. 

Indeed, this is a microcosm of the greater world... and we will probably always have to deal with the same "signal-to-noise" issues we face in the greater world. There are-- indeed-- many great initiatives here, and when I sound concerned it is mostly because I have seen *soooooo* many not-dissimilar projects fall apart because the "exploiters" eventually push the "users" out of the way, or drown them out.. including a (now dead) site that was once in the top 100-busiest sites worldwide.

One of the things we have going for us here is actually the somewhat lengthy "learning curve" which makes it hard for the "next grade down" to find traction here, because there's no *"instant cashing out your next 50 cents to PayPal"* option here. And that may just be what helps us keep "cycling" the "quick money for nothing" seekers...

Thanks again!
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@alexpmorris ·
well, I think you know more or less what I think from my last post! lol  :)
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@weetreebonsai ·
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There are many here who are working to make it better and not everyone is here to strike it rich, I see less of those here for the money because their dreams burst within a very short time and they leave. Don't give up hope...
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@denmarkguy ·
Oh, I'm not going to give up hope @weetreebonsai... just having a reality check today. And looking at the task ahead, which will probably involve more effort on the curation front, and not quite so much posting.
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