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You've Broken the Rules! by denmarkguy

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You've Broken the Rules!
Whereas I am definitely quite fond of the neighborhood in which we live, I cannot say the same for being part of a *Home Owner's Association (or HOA, for short).*

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Dont' get me wrong, I *do* appreciate that the streets are generally neat and tidy, and there aren't a bunch of dead vehicles and trash in people's front yards... but part of the problem with HOAs is typically that *some* community members see the fact that there's a *"rule book"* of sorts as an invitation to appoint themselves overseers and *"policing"* everyone in the neighborhood.

Our development is pretty large — about 800 properties — and we have our share of busybodies around here... many of whom are quite outspoken and just *waiting* for an apportunity to tell others what they have done wrong.

*That's* the part I find irritating — the meddlesome *people,* not the actual *rules.*

I happen to know our office manager fairly well, and I also know that she rolls her eyes at some of the complaints that come in... and *especially* because she's bound by the HOA rules to follow up on community members' complaints, no matter how petty and trivial.

![0783-WatersEdge.JPG](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/denmarkguy/23vsL5ieLroNRSJSMhR1P1YugPQACwz2pWD7hophQHZxevc8PSepcPatkfdNFMiFUZZv8.JPG)

Like someone who has friends from out-of-town staying in their RV for a few weeks and thereby breaking a rule about RVs being parked in an *"un-desginated"* space... like an actual *driveway,* rather than a covered RV garage.

And, of course, we have the *"hedge police,"* and the *"lawn police"* and even the *"Christmas light police,"* always ready to report people not fully complying with every regulation of the HOA guidelines.

Probably the worst is related to anything to do with building/remodeling... right down to something as simple as *repairing a fence.*

Someone walking their dog by actually asked my neighbor if she *"had a building permit"* to replace the boards on part of the fence that had been blown down during winter and spring storms.

Seriously?

![0330-Gazebo.jpg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/denmarkguy/23wMcXFoLEjR2may4b9gyVijMaikmUevw8Q2Uqh5zitBxhu4v6nFSVngf2LwGRRwBMEyo.jpg)

You're actually *more* concerned about *permits* than you are about the fact that the fence is an unsightly eyesore that is now being fixed?

Apparently so.

We first ran into the reality of association *"petty bureaucrats"* shortly after moving here, some 15 years ago.

We were quite delighted to have found a home with an existing built-in chicken coop attached to the side of the garage... something that seemed like it was perfect for our desire to have an *"urban homestead"* of sorts.

Little did we know what a storm of controversy would arise after we got 9 lovely chickens — no roosters — who seen began to give us some marvelous fresh eggs.

![0974-RedTrees.JPG](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/denmarkguy/23xyVLW2iuWYqu3ooc27jAD7uqsJSmB2F5NaRSh9oaKzxRrPE5TsadctnTQoT7Xg2tv99.JPG)

It was maybe 4-5 months before we got a *"letter of complaint"* in the mail, citing some code about *"not keeping livestock"* and pointing out that *"chickens attract rats, and therefore are not allowed."*

Of course, chickens do *not* attract rats... improper *chicken feed storage* does. Not an issue, if you store your feed in tightly sealed bins like we did. 

However, that made no difference when we appealed the request to remove the chickens at a HOA meeting. Nor did a thorough presentation about the benefit of keeping backyard chickens in urban environments... so we ended up having to give away *"the girls"* to a friend with a more farm-like setting.

Still an annoying event...

The sad thing is that Home Owners' Associations are becoming more and more common. Here in our state, currently about 1/3 of all properties are part of a HOA, but a surprising *70%* of new construction is now done under a HOA. 

![0941-SeaGrass.JPG](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/denmarkguy/245cgf7b1DPe32PyUMqS6WgtFa6aEmvHucDUQzU2juSUxXRxApvE2qCcQRPZsPu9KwXZp.JPG)

Which is a bit of a daunting prospect, as we are still planning to move to a smaller place within a year or so... maybe there's just no getting away from this sort of thing, anymore...

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@gooddream ·
HOA's have always been strange to me.  I recall many years ago there was a guy in our neighborhood that wanted to grow crops on his own land, in his front yard and some nosy neighbors tried to claim that he was bringing down the value of all the properties on the road because of having corn in his front yard.  The HOA and the city forced him to take it down of face a fine but he just paid the fine and went to court and eventually won.   

While i do think that some level of property maintenance should be enforced, telling people that they can't do what they want with their own land is something I really don't agree with.   

Let me ask you this:  When you move into yours or other people's communities are you FORCED to join the HOA or can you opt out?  
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@keithtaylor ·
Your post about people trying to "police" their community resonates with me. Because I have seen it in many walks of life.

I've concluded that it's mainly due to the ease with which people can complain. Because real policing, just like real community involvement, takes a lot of time and effort. For instance, if anyone sees something that offends them, they could take time to engage with the property owner and offer to help. And in an ideal world, the property owner could "report" the generosity to the HOA. Perhaps as a recommendation for a reward.

Certainly, community members should be made to prove that they are worthy of complaining about others. That worthiness is hard to define. But it might be that only recipients of a "good community member" have the right to make formal complaints.

I see this type of behaviour on Hive. Where ungovernable members choose to downvote content without proper regard to the consequences.

I think that, in HOAs or in Hive, earning the right to judge others should be a privilege that has to be earned.
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@old-guy-photos ·
Problem is even with a "good" HOA, they are of course subject to change as the leadership ages and changes!
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@ronimarie82 ·
HOA I wish that officer's  are approachable, well mannered and has the sense of leadership. WE want a place that is clean, peaceful and well managed.
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@scribblingramma ·
We have lived in our current home for over 25 years. It's the first place we've lived in that had an HOA. As far as rules go, ours are rather basic and easy to follow. But they are seriously outdated, having been written about 50 years ago. It would be costly to hire a lawyer to properly update them, and then we'd have to have a quorum to vote on them, and a majority of the quorum to pass it, none of which is likely to happen. So we just put up with the outdated rules and make the best of it.
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@shanibeer ·
I've been thinking about moving for several years but one of the big things that holds me back is what the neighbours might be like in a new place. I'm spoiled here, I have lovely neighbours here - friendly, help you out if you need it, and leave you alone the rest of the time.
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