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So You're Seeing a Lot of Anarchist Posts, But You're Not Anarchist, WTF is Going On?!
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<p>Hi, there!  Take a seat, relax for a while.  We're going to have a little chat about anarchism if you have the time.  I'm sure you're curious as to what is going on with these weirdos who dislike the government.  You may have never heard from an anarchist thinker and only have seen &quot;anarchists&quot; breaking and destroying things in petty riots on the news.  Well, I'm here to hopefully help shed some light on the topic for you.</p>
<p>Anarchists are actually very different from one another.  Some that even fall under the same anarchic umbrella disagree staunchly on various aspects of their philosophy.  However, in the end, all anarchists agree on one thing, that the State must be abolished.  Anarchists see the State for what it is, a group of humans given the &quot;right&quot; to rule over other human beings within certain geographic locations via force.  This has yielded thousands of years of disastrous bloodshed and mismanagement in our world.</p>
<h2><a href="https://steemit.com/anarchism/@derekareith/how-i-became-an-anarchist">I am an anarcho-capitalist</a> and here's my perspective:</h2>
<blockquote>Anarchy = No Rulers<br />
No Rulers = Free People<br />
Free People = Free Association<br />
Free Association = Free Trade<br />
Free Trade = Capitalism</blockquote>
<ul>
  <li>The world is not a Utopia now, and it won't be in a free society, either.
    <ul>
      <li>Some people are provably bad.  There are sociopaths and psychopaths among us and they are often hard to distinguish from good people.</li>
      <li>Since humanity is not perfect, it makes no sense to take a class of humans and give them power over other humans.</li>
      <li>Psychopaths and sociopaths are drawn to power over other people.  By having a government you give them an on ramp to this power.</li>
      <li>&quot;People are bad, so we need a government made up of people.&quot;
        <ul>
          <li>This doesn't seem like an effective solution for obvious reasons.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>We do not need violence to solve complex social problems.
    <ul>
      <li>Initiating violence causes far more social problems than it solves.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>I own myself, I control myself, and I am responsible for my actions.</li>
  <li>Since I own myself, I own what my body justly acquires.
    <ul>
      <li>When I make a post on Steemit, I used my body to make content, which people liked and voted on.  I own the rewards for that post since I created it and people voluntarily supported it.  My claim of ownership of those rewards is not questioned, as the blockchain confirms my claim.  My rewards are my property.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Property is essential in our lives.  
    <ul>
      <li>When I wear a shirt I bought, it is my property.  If someone tries to take my shirt, that is stealing, as they do not have a rightful claim to that shirt, having not purchased it.
        <ul>
          <li>Property is not theft.  Stealing someone else's property is theft.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>In order to acquire property legitimately, one can utilize their skills in a way that is valuable to someone else who will trade with them in order to borrow those skills.
    <ul>
      <li>Many of us get jobs to do this.</li>
      <li>Entrepreneurs, or risk takers, take on greater risks than their workers, as they evaluate what people want and how to deliver it, thus where to invest.  Entrepreneurs often achieve this by utilizing people who voluntarily lend them their skills in return for some compensation that they value.</li>
      <li>No matter what, all actions taken by people are done in order to profit in some way.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Profits are how we determine value in our world.
    <ul>
      <li>Value is subjective.
        <ul>
          <li>A guitar may be worth nothing to someone who doesn't play, but could be worth thousands to someone who does.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
      <li>Everything we do in life is for profits.
        <ul>
          <li>When I go to the beach, I go because I am better off for having gone.  I had fun and added some great memories.  This is all that profits are, value added in some way or fashion.</li>
          <li>When I go to work, I profit.  I spend my time and effort and convert it to money, which I feel is more valuable than if I had used my time and effort in another fashion.</li>
          <li>Since I have voluntarily done this, I subjectively believe the money I receive is more valuable than my time, so I have profited by receiving the money for my costs.</li>
          <li>When I sell something, I do so with the intention to make a profit.  I do this as I have invested my time, efforts, and money to deliver you a product you wanted, and would only sell it, in order to get something else I value more than my product.</li>
          <li>You profit as well when you voluntarily purchase this product since you view that good as more important than your money through the act of buying it.  Since you are better off with the product, you have profited.</li>
          <li>I could also profit by donating the item to a charity instead, since I would feel good as a result and may value that feeling more than the item I donated.  I may also value the fact that I helped someone out.  Again, value is subjective.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Money is a medium of exchange, which enables us to more easily trade our time and efforts.
    <ul>
      <li>Money enables transactions that are not confined to varying, prearranged goods on each end.</li>
      <li>Money opens up the economy to become vastly more intricate as trades can be settled far quicker when the medium of exchange remains constant.</li>
      <li>Money is not bad, it is what represents your time spent doing things that others find value in.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Everything requires work from someone.
    <ul>
      <li>Even picking an apple from a tree requires some amount of time and effort in order to obtain.</li>
      <li>By picking the apple, you are spending your time and effort for the apple.  This is work.</li>
      <li>Nothing is free.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Peace and commerce is the best &quot;foreign policy&quot;
    <ul>
      <li>War is destruction.  (Value destroyed)</li>
      <li>Commerce is growth.  (Value added)</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>War is not profitable.
    <ul>
      <li>War is only &quot;profitable&quot; to the State and the companies who sell it arms, munitions, and the like.</li>
      <li>It is completely unsustainable to fund such multi-year, money-burning, life-destroying endeavors if people funded these things voluntarily.</li>
      <li>At some point, people would see the value lost in funding war, and withdraw their financial consent.</li>
      <li>Therefore, war exists as a function of the State.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li><a href="https://steemit.com/anarchism/@derekareith/consent-is-it-really-that-important">Consent in the key to our humanity</a>.
    <ul>
      <li>We all value consent when it comes to sex.</li>
      <li>I ask now, why not extend our notions of consent to everything we do?</li>
      <li>Where is the line where you decide to reject another's consent?</li>
      <li>If I do not consent to a war, do you support the threat of violence I am under to pay for it?</li>
      <li>If I stopped paying for it would you endorse the violence done against me by the State?</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>We can figure things out.
    <ul>
      <li>Just look at how much our voluntary associations have produced in the past 100 years.  We now have affordable little devices in our pockets capable of communicating with virtually anyone in an instant, and that's the least cool thing that they do.
        <ul>
          <li>100 years ago I would be happy to not die of tuberculosis in my 30's.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
      <li>I really shouldn't have to list all of the other accomplishments that we have achieved without government.</li>
      <li>To think we couldn't figure things out like roads, schools, courts, etc. is quite literally insane, given what we are already capable of achieving through our voluntary actions today.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Decentralized, emergent solutions are superior to planned, imposed solutions.
    <ul>
      <li>People are different everywhere you go.</li>
      <li>People value things differently everywhere you go.</li>
      <li>Planning and imposing solutions for complex social problems for everyone is not only asinine, it's impossible.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Through the competition of different ideas, we improve our world.
    <ul>
      <li>If someone else can do something better and cheaper than me, great!  Now I can find another way to bring value to the world.
        <ul>
          <li>Maybe I can make my items better and cheaper, thus benefiting my consumers.</li>
          <li>Maybe I can make something else better and cheaper, that my consumers would like.</li>
          <li>Either way, by competing, we are finding ways to add value to the world around us through emergence.</li>
        </ul>
      </li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Some ideas are bad.
    <ul>
      <li>These ideas don't generally get financially supported by others.</li>
      <li>Bad ideas are most generally funded through force.</li>
      <li>Good ideas don't require force.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
  <li>In the end, it comes down to force versus voluntary human association.
    <ul>
      <li>I choose voluntarism every time.</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>
<p><br /></p>
<p>That's the gist of my perspective.  I look forward to delving into more of the specifics in the future.  There is a lot to this, and it took me years to fully wrap my head around it.  I'm still learning, in fact, and will continue to until the day I die.  My perspective may in fact change in the future.  That's completely normal.  So long as the changes I make are backed by morally sound reason and evidence.  (I'll get into morals and ethics down the road)</p>
<p>I don't want to speak for other anarchists.  Anarcho-communists, syndicalists, mutualists, agorists, pacifists, trans-humanists, feminists, etc.  There are so many different branches of anarchism, and I just don't feel it is appropriate to give my slant on their perspectives here.  I certainly have thoughts on them that I will share in the future, but I'll leave all of that for separate posts.</p>
<p>Anyways, I know that this is all a lot for people to take in.  I just ask that you not dismiss anarchism as a silly, childish idea.  Give it some thought.  I am sure if you put your emotions aside and think about it long enough, you will arrive at the same conclusions that I have.</p>
<h2>I value your consent, and I would never seek the initiation of violence against you to compel you to do things that you disagree with.  I believe that you have it in your heart to not wish violence upon me or your fellow humans.  I believe that you will see that we can voluntarily solve our world's problems together.</h2>
<p><br /></p>
<p><a href="https://steemit.com/anarchism/@derekareith/the-keys-that-unlocked-the-door-to-anarchism">Here are some quotes that helped me become an anarchist.</a></p>
<p><br /></p>
<p>Big thanks to @larkenrose, @dollarvigilante, @dragonanarchist, @ericdjuly, @falkvinge, @ftlian, and all of the other great anarchists on Steemit already helping to push these ideas.  Check them out for some real quality perspectives.</p>
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<p>Follow me and <a href="https://steemit.com/anarchism/@derekareith/anarchists-unite-how-steemit-will-bring-about-a-free-society">let's help keep anarchism great</a> here at Steemit!</p>
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@bitbutter · (edited)
Ancap here (again). With some more nits to pick. I'm taking the trouble to mention these things because I think it's a very important subject (and despite this criticism, I'm glad you're writing about it):

> We do not need violence to solve complex social problems.

The solutions to many complex social problems, even under an ancap order, require the enforcement of property rights in order to be solved. The enforcement of property rights requires violence (or the threat thereof). So this claim seems off base as it's currently phrased.

> Initiating violence causes far more social problems than it solves.

Violating a person's property rights is not necessarily a violent act - yet the use of violence to _prevent_ that violation would be justified (under ancap assumptions).  So the ancap defence agency (for instance) would be technically 'initiating violence' in it's legitimate defence of its customers rights. So again this claim strikes me as misrepresenting ancap, or is at least a very idiosyncratic take on it that (imo) needs some qualification.

Traditionally its the initiation of 'aggression'  (not violence) that ancaps often object to. Though I also think this phrase is misleading, since aggression within the context of ancap thought has a significantly different meaning to aggression in a broader context. Much better to talk about what we're actually objecting to: the violation of property rights.

> Since I own myself, I own what my body justly acquires.

This sounds confused.
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@derekareith ·
Thanks for reaching out, bitbutter!  I agree that my language was shaky in a few instances.  I tried my best but for sure there are bits I could have done a better job breaking down.  I hope to break down much more in the future, and hopefully better clarify these positions.  When I get home tonight I will thoroughly think through your points  and will respond on Thursday when I'm off so I can better articulate a response.  Take care!
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@bitbutter ·
Thanks. No rush!
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I like your work @derekareith ;)  some votes from me.
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"It's so good that it's mandatory"

Did you knew that voting in some countries is mandatory, with the threat of fines or even imprisonment?
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@freebornangel ·
If you don't understand that crapitalism and anarchism are mutually exclusive you should expand your data set.
Matter and anti-matter.
This link starts in the middle but addresses the facts quickly.

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-12-17
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@derekareith ·
Well, most likely we're having a misunderstand with how we're each using the word "capitalism".  I understand how it can be twisted around.  When I use the word this is how I see it:

Google Definition:
<blockquote>an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.</blockquote>
https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=capitalism
<p></p>
Capitalism is just how we voluntarily trade, in lieu of a government.  Choice is paramount to a free society.  With choice come markets, necessarily.  When we go out to eat, we are choosing from a market of restaurants.  Markets are a necessary effect of capitalism, as well as a necessary feature of anarchism.
<p></p>
Corporatism, or business owners exploiting the power of the State for their own economic gains, is NOT capitalism.  The special benefits they receive, and the damage they are able to get away with, is soley due to the economic benefits, entitlements, and protections bestowed upon them by the State.  Without the State, they would be exposed to competition, through the market of people's choices.  They also wouldn't have arbitrary economic advantages that enable their counter-productive or destructive behavior.  Basically, they wouldn't exist, because people wouldn't voluntarily support them.
<p></p>
Therefore, I'd wager this to be a matter of semantics, and we fundamentally agree on the same things. :)
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@freebornangel · (edited)
I wish I could agree, but it just isn't so.
Wage slavery is just slavery with wages.
You still provide 100% of the labor required for the 'owners' to profit.
I think what I am butting my head against, not just with you, but with all new converts to anarchism, is that just as religion is a real bear to deprogram people from, crapitalism is the only option presented to you as feasible, when in reality all we need to do is band together as workers and kick the owners out.
You will not find your freedom in an crapitalust paradigm, only a more comfortable slavery.
Even when you remove coercive controls from the gov't, big money will still control little money.
Keep working, stop paying.
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@freebornangel ·
(nesting stops at 6)
Yes, rule by force is the problem.
I think we will have to define our definitions, because if you think communism is what happened in Russia I got on the spot reports that say otherwise from a lady who should know.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-there-is-no-communism-in-russia
This is the biggest hurdle I've encountered, people are not willing to let go of the definitions given to them by people they trust.
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@derekareith ·
I 100% empathize with you on the problem of having different definitions.  It's very difficult when we are not actually hearing one another.

So long as we can agree that rule by force is the problem, and that removing the State is our priority, then our goals are far more aligned than our words can express.  As I said, I care not how exactly a free world looks, I only care to see us free ourselves from the rule of force that has reigned over us for thousands of years.  I happen to think that world will look anarcho-caplitalistic in nature, but I care not if I am wrong in that assessment, so long as we have a purely voluntary world, I will be happy.
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@freebornangel · (edited)
I agree, that is  why I offer a rent free, bill free, though not work free, world.
We have to build the robots that replace us in the factories and farms so that we can get on the rockets to the planets.
Why would I agree to work in a system that wants 45 years of labor from me so I can retire on catfood?
My improvidence aside, a world with only 20,000 hours required to have access to any consumer good currently available is far preferable to a world that forces my kids out of a house in the winter because I can't get a job in a depressed market.
 A system that starves babies outside of overflowing food warehouses has issues, even if it is 'The Greatest System Ever Devised By Man'.
Your emperor has no clothes.
Just ask Rowdy Roddy, when you get the glasses the truth becomes visible.
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@lesliestarrohara ·
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Nice post! You've given a thoughtful and fairly succinct overview of anarcho-capitalism here. And we probably are going to need more posts like this as Steemit grows, attracting more users who aren't yet versed in the philosophies of freedom. I was scrolling through the trending feed earlier today and thinking to myself, "man, what are all the non-anarchist (or not-yet-anarchist) steempeople going to think about all these anarchy posts? Their heads are probably exploding!" In fact, I'd wager a reasonable sum of steem dollars that there have been a few who have left the platform precisely because they couldn't handle all the anarchy posts. Still others are probably scratching their heads, wondering what the deal is, and thirsty for a light introduction. 

Good job spotting this underfilled niche and exploiting it, you filthy capitalist, you! ;)
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@derekareith ·
Thanks, Leslie!  Now let me get back to counting my filthy stacks of Steem Dollars to come. XD
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@escapehatch ·
We need as many capitalist pigs as we can get, the smell of bacon was what drew me to Steemit in the first place.
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@jsteck ·
We're still here, we still occasionally read through these posts, but we're no closer to convinced than we were when we didn't even realize anarchism was actually still a thing people thought of as anything other than purely theoretical.
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@lesliestarrohara · (edited)
That's okay, @jsteck . You dont' have to feel left out. We will still consider you a potential anarchist and invite you to all of our  weed/gay marriage/firearms/profit parties. :D
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@mrwang ·
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Thanks @derekareith, this is the information I'm looking for... a breakdown of what the idea is. You said you are anarcho capitalist ... I can't read in full atm but I got half way. I will pick back up when I return home later.

Thanks for posting.
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@nenad-ristic ·
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Good post, and it really explains well  your perspective on anarchism. 

I largely agree with it myself, although I disagree with your view of property. I do not consider property anything natural, or even necessary. At this stage, and the way that society is currently structured, it is a useful concept, but actually has many limitations.

Let us take a look at the example that you have used: Your post. As you state you have created it yourself.

But out of what: The language it is written in comes from people who have thought it you. A lot of the ideas you have posted in it are also derived in a large part from other people.

You can say that you have used your brain and your hands to combine these items into a new form, but that begs the question of where did you acquire those two pieces of equipment?

I think that the concept of property ties into the idea of separateness, a line dividing "self" from "other".  I think that a world lived more withe experience and action as a guiding concept, rather than property would work far better.
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@derekareith ·
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Interesting points, Nenad.  I actually am going to be working on a post about property in the next couple days to further flush out the topic.  I think you're not alone when it comes to questioning  what property is and if it is in fact legitimate.  I hope to be able to shed some more light on my perspective with that post.  I'll post the link here when it's up.  Thanks for responding!
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@derekareith ·
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Hi, Nenad.  I finished my post on property and tried to convey why property is a natural, emergent concept.  Check it out if you have the time and let me know what you think:

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@derekareith/on-property

Thanks!
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@onetree ·
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Thank you! Good post!
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