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How science has already proven that god does not exist.
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<p>One of the most basic premisse of science is methodological naturalism, meaning that all explanations for the natural world are natural, unless proven otherwise. And this is not a "scientific dogma", it was adopted simply because it works, as everything else in science.</p>
<p>So, for science gods and any supernaturalism does not exist, untill proven otherwise.</p>
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@creemej · (edited)
god does only exist in our hypocrite mind, even science can't help us.
We will never know, because we are all hypocrites.
Hypocrisy, a side effect of civilisation, is what god needs.
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@davidkay ·
You should change the title to: "How the existence of god is irrelevant for science" or something. It would be more apropriate :)
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@discernente ·
NOMA (non-overlapping magisteria) is a fallacy. In fact science is concerned to understand all of the natural world, and everything that affects it, even if this interference is supernatural. That is, the science is concerned with the supernatural, provided this is a supernatural interfering in nature or in its understanding.
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@dwinblood ·
Hmmm... sounds like dogma to me.

I am an atheist/deist.

As far as I know science is one thing.

Application of the scientific method in search of truth.
1) Make observations
2) Formulate questions
3) Make a hypothesis
4) Formulate a way to test the hypothesis, document it thoroughly so others may replicate the test. (experiment)
5) Make conclusions from test
6) Return to step 3 if needed
7) Theories are conclusions that have not been refuted and at the time are the best explanation we have for the observable phenomenon.   They can still be wrong and we always encourage challenging them by using the scientific method.

It is a tool.

It cannot prove/disprove a negative.

I assure you X-rays existed before we could measure them.   So did atoms.   So did quarks and other sub-atomic particles.

Many things exist we cannot measure.   Science is not about negation.
It is only about explaining that which we observe with the best data and testable hypothesis we have at the time.

That is it.    Anything beyond that introduces BIAS and is not the scientific method and is not science.   It is simply someone trying to use an APPEAL TO AUTHORITY and hijack the word "science" for their own purposes.
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@discernente · (edited)
For science existence is the exception, and inexistence is the rule. That's why phlogiston, Vulcan Planet, luminiferous Ether are all inexistent for science, althout in the past they were all sciencific hypothesis.
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@discernente ·
for science, if the existence of something new was hypothesized to explain something, but later a new explanation made this  existence unecessary, that new existence is discarded as false (existence is the exception, inexistence is the rule).
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@dwinblood ·
Dogma.   Doesn't fit the scientific method.   It is an appeal to your authority or someone elses.   I don't buy into them.   Give me a guy with 20 degrees saying it, and I still don't buy into it.

Science is a tool.   It is not an opinion or a belief.
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@melek ·
Explain Quantum Entanglement then? Or even harder Quantum Superposition
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@discernente ·
God of the gaps?
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@rothskid ·
A more accurate title would be: How science is agnostic to God's existence.
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@discernente ·
If the God hypotesis somehow explains or interferes in the natural world, so science will never ever be agnostic regarding this hypotesis.
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@stan · (edited)
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Silly rabbit.  Everyone knows you can't prove a negative.

Science has merely recused itself from having an opinion about God because its methods  do not apply to the unobservable and unrepeatable.  So science has to sit on the sidelines while we use other methods to learn things about that which may forever be outside its reach.
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@discernente ·
All that explains or interferes with nature is in the interest of science. And you can prove the nonexistence of something that was hypothesized simply showing that there is already a better explanation that makes the existence of that something unnecessary. Read about phlogiston, the luminiferous ether.
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@discernente ·
Science has disproved God as well as already disproved the luminiferous ether, phlogiston, the planet Vulcan, the atom Thomson, ultra-mundane corpuscles, vis viva, elan vital, calorie fluid, miasma, ciclol, and many others fail hypotheses.
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@stan · (edited)
Your idea of "proof" seems to be coming up with a "better" explanation that makes the existence of something unnecessary.  Of course, "better" is subjective.

I'll help you.  One definition of "better" is that used by Occam's Razor which says the simplest possible explanation is preferred _for the reasons stated below_.

> In science, Occam's razor is used as a **heuristic** technique (discovery tool) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models, rather than as an arbiter between published models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is **not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result**; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, **simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable**. - Wikipedia

But I'm an engineer and I specialize in making things more complicated than they need to be.
One need not assume that the Designer of the universe feels any need to simplify it down to your current level of understanding.

http://wonderopolis.org/wp-content/uploads//2014/05/Rubenvent1.jpg

Since we can't possibly know what the Technical Requirements are for the Universe, we are unable to state whether the most simple or "natural" explanation meets all the requirements or whether it has been over simplified due to our lack of knowledge of the true "specs".

Therefore, you are stuck with only being able to say "I have found an explanation I like "better" for nature _as I currently understand it_.

This, of course, proves nothing about the actual state of reality at all.
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@discernente ·
In fact science has no way to have absolute certainty of anything because all its conclusions are falsifiable. For example, when science says phlogiston does not exist, it is not for it to be 100% sure that it does not exist, but because it is more prudent to consider that it does not exist until proven otherwise. The inexistence is the rule and the existence is the exception, and that the existence of phlogiston is not necessary to explain absolutely nothing of the natural world. The same can be said about God, it is a hypothesis to "explain" things of the natural world, but nowadays it is no longer needed. All supernaturalism is unnecessary for science.
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