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Clarifying my decision not to support EOS-related posts and witnesses (100% of post rewards donated to curation initiatives) by donkeypong

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· @donkeypong ·
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Clarifying my decision not to support EOS-related posts and witnesses (100% of post rewards donated to curation initiatives)
![Trust1.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmW5ssLTbKb2GFe1zKWLfJSz8YRpyyovZAcxbfPEV5Tdif/Trust1.jpg)
Earlier this spring, I began noticing EOS-related posts in Steem communities that I support with votes. At first, these posts didn’t bother me, because I’ve always been glad to see other cryptocurrency projects posting on Steemit, and I have voted for many of those in the past. Steemit and other Steem-driven sites are a great place for crypto projects to share information and build their communities.
 
But the more I investigated, the less comfortable I felt with the EOS cheerleading posts. And through my investigations, I have learned enough that I recently implemented a new policy: I will not make any more votes to support EOS-related posts. And similarly, I will not vote for Steem witnesses who are double-dipping with candidacies as EOS block producers. 
  
## Because many people have asked me about these two decisions, I have written this post to clarify my reasons
 
If you haven’t heard of EOS, it’s a smart contracts platform that’s in development. I wish EOS and its dapps the best. In fact, I was the one who purchased the @eos address on Steem and gave it, free of charge, to Block.One’s CTO, Dan Larimer, to keep it in his custody and away from squatters. And I’ve had high hopes that EOS could excel in its own niche, which is smart contracts.

![Ego.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmT633dzhVQcNnT7MffVAS9BbYD5kWABuhLT1tC4dWGJkY/Ego.png)
*Are you sure it's not your EGOs?*
 
But that was before the egos over there decided to get into the same business that Steem is in. The CEO of EOS’ parent, Block.One, stated his intention to create a social network site, a la Steemit. In fact, the first use case shared by EOS on Github, as an example of what could be done with its platform, was a Steemit-type example. In retrospect, perhaps this should not have been that surprising, since EOS’ origins lie in a fork of Steem. Also, one of the first dapps on EOS will be ONO, which apparently will have a social media-type site, though it may be the first cryptocurrency site I’ve ever read that left me with *less* confidence after reading the team profiles. 
 
Oh no. A currency that’s many times more expensive than Steem. Security vulnerabilities. A (lack of) governance system that’s setting up to be a royal mess. Remind me why I own any EOS when Steem’s SMTs should be much better? But, I digress… 
 
EOS’ social network aspirations make it a potential competitor (even though its costs may be too high to compete meaningfully with Steem).
 
Once I understood there was a potential conflict, I began to take a closer look at the EOS-cheerleading posts that were on Steemit. I realized some authors were receiving support or had been promised certain incentives to pump those projects by either Block.One or some dapp spawn (though my evidence there is second-hand, several people have confirmed that was the case). And that’s when I understood that it’s not healthy for me to be voting for those posts using Steem Power.

![LadybeardCCdickthomasjohnson.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmds3zKFCjxMuTiZrQuHdscyRA1yBW4awDuHxuHxnX92Lp/LadybeardCCdickthomasjohnson.jpg)
*Support your own cheerleaders; I hope you don't mind if I use my voting power elsewhere. Disclaimer: To my knowledge, Ladybeard has not endorsed any blockchain, but was the best image of a bearded cheerleader I could find. Source: Creative Commons via Wikipedia.com by Dick Thomas Johnson.* 
 
If the EOS community wants cheerleaders on Steemit, it should support them itself. I won’t do so with my Steem votes. Many Steemians have worked hard over these last two years to build communities, support great content, and/or create Steem-powered applications. It would be a disservice to them if I did not put them first with their ongoing loyalty and commitment.

![Responsibility.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdjR1HL22qRAo6ihFmFX8muNECbtSoTZkWVWtMsC98zuq/Responsibility.jpg)
 
## Steem Witnesses should be 100% committed to the Steem ecosystem, not divided in their loyalty, commitment, or fiduciary status
 
That brings me to witnesses, who are paid to verify blocks for the Steem-chain. After I explained to several communities that I would not vote for more EOS- or ONO- stuff on Steem, the question arose of how to handle votes for Steem witnesses who also stand for similar positions on EOS. And the way I see it, consistency requires me to withhold votes for any witness who has announced intentions to do the same for EOS. So I also unvoted some witnesses who are double-dipping with Block Producer candidacies for EOS (a BP for EOS is similar to a Witness for Steem).
 
Sadly, I happen to really like some of those people and consider them better than certain other Steem witnesses when it comes to the good work they have done here in the Steem ecosystem. But for the money they are making as Steem witnesses (which, when the markets are happy, can be as high as $25,000 per month for a top witness), each one of them should be 100% committed to building with Steem.
 
Instead, what I hear when a Steem witness decides to become a Block Producer candidate on EOS is that: (1) they are not making enough money here, or (2) that they would like to spend more time on other (non-Steem) projects.

![Increase.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmdWzSmz4f54CjPK8qZfuTuJeNRtmNYbUS2AkZt77onv3Q/Increase.jpg)
 
If so, they’ve lost my vote here. Tinkering is fine. Experimenting is healthy. I encourage people to try new things. It’s not at all disloyal to poke around over there. But all of those are possible without being paid a large sum of money. If you take the witness money from Steem, then this is your team. 

And even if I were the world's largest EOS holder, I would demand the same commitment over there. 

![Fiduciary1.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmSYLFHkePDqeMobK462nA2bqXAYoXV4Bxs44Fo9igS3Qr/Fiduciary1.jpg)
 
Finally, witnesses are not merely running some esoteric code. They are the governors of our blockchain, who vote (or not) to adopt any proposed updates. They are trustees who have a fiduciary duty to uphold the best interests of Steem. And if they hold a similar position for another blockchain that has aspirations to compete in the same space, then they are serving two masters: communities that need to be able to trust them. 
 
In legal terms, that’s a conflict of interest, because they cannot make decisions on behalf of one without potentially disadvantaging the other in that same space. Thus, when they are presented with a proposed update that favors one blockchain over the other, they have no choice but to violate the oath they have taken to act in the other community’s best interest. If they don’t anticipate that possibility, then they may be too naïve to be entrusted with the governance responsibility.

![EthicalConflict.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmUS9BUxJHNH1kDC92eBfDoBavqp9cS6kvns5dDzcYhPaM/EthicalConflict.jpg)
*Business Ethics presentation via Slideplayer.com by Madeline Dawson. http://slideplayer.com/slide/4728985/*
 
I am not asking others to join me. I have the greatest respect for anyone who chooses to disagree with my position. Yet enough people have asked me about this that I felt the need to provide the above explanation.
 
If you’ve never voted for witnesses before, you can visit the following page to do so: https://steemit.com/~witnesses .

*Disclaimer: I do not have a witness. I will donate 100% of this post's rewards to Steem curation initiatives.*
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@afire ·
Actually, if you think about the stem like this, then we can do anything from the stem.! and  sir you are great!!  resteem and upvote done!
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@akbarbadsha ·
Well said dear @donkeypong 
Very glad to read your informative post.
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@alan369 ·
I'm suspicious about eos despite the fact that I made some profit
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@alaqrab ·
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Wow this is a great post. I see both sides. @donkeypong your view is exactly how I see it, witnesses are like board members, I want them to be all in for the company. Luke made poor arguments for his case and his attitude almost made me unvote him. Not that my vote would really matter to him. But.... @jesta has made his point to tie up the debate, that they are just block producers. Essentially they're just the people who keep the building for the company. Like extremely high paid maintenance workers. I will think more about it, I am leaning towards @jesta as he and @lukestokes are witnesses on @peerplays. When I look at the witnesses I would vote for them as reliable witnesses who provide good services over an unknown. The question is should they be full time ground keepers or an external company providing quality services to all the companies that have graphene buildings. I guess it depends on how big the building/company is.
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@donkeypong ·
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In any other sphere, it would be a clear conflict. They are more than blockproducers; they are making governance decisions by choosing which proposed updates to support or not.
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@alaqrab ·
when you say governance decisions it makes me agree, they are fully capable to decide how the company moves forward (will it happen is another story). The stockholders would be pissed if witnesses collectively/individually lowered the standard of one to improve the other. This is a trust issue that must be addressed and if lost would be catastrophic for the witness. 

My stupid analogy can be used against me. If you were to hire a groundskeeper and pay with company stock and said groundskeeper has made it known they also work for your competition, can you trust them to not do a crapy job to steer customers to the competition or work harder for whichever one has a better stock?  My only reason so far for keeping my votes as is; the mentioned witnesses have proven track records with other witnesses positions at other sites already and I have no other reason to believe they will sacrifice one to make the other better when it is more profitable to keep both sites healthy. I noticed you are still voting for some witness's who also work for peerplays. So it is not about juggling work but more about the conflict of interest. 

My view is
Witnesses are not exclusive contracts I see it as more concurrent in graphene territory. That being said with how profitable a witness position is, I expect the witnesses should start scaling up the witness "company" to maintain workload. AND you better not be highering some illegals. Oh, wait, no borders. Go team crypto!!!

@donkeypong you are making the right decision, you should be all-in for steemit and expect your governors to give the same. My stance is tainted by my small stake in steemit and an even smaller stake in EOS.
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@lukestokes ·
Has there ever been an update that wasn't pushed through because of selfish interests of the block producers against the best interests of the community? On the contrary, the only hardfork that wasn't pushed through as-is was a hardfork Steemit, inc wanted the community didn't agree with. It was witnesses like @anxy (also partnered with @jesta as a EOS BP candidate) who stood their ground and went against Steemit, inc. He lost a ned vote for doing that which dropped him out of the top 20. Later Steemit, inc and employees stopped voting for witnesses because they realized they couldn't get away with doing things like that. The hardfork didn't go through and improvements were made.

I appreciate the concerns, but I also want to make sure they are based in the reality of what DPOS witnesses actually do, not just on analogies. Reputation and trustworthiness are what matter. Supporting these technologies to improve the world and help the communities is what matters. If we lose witnesses like @anyx simply because of the potential for conflict (not an actual conflict), we'd lose a witness who actually demonstrated a firm stance to support the community.

Again, I support you voting as you see fit, and I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind, but I do want to respond with my perspective for others who are still considering all sides.
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@lukestokes ·
I sincerely want to know what I said which came off as a bad attitude. Would you please clarify for me? I've always tried to be respectful, even when I disagree, and do my best to support my positions with reason, logic, and evidence. I went into a bit more detail <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@lukestokes/a-comment-reply-turned-into-a-root-post">in my reply to @davemccoy</a> which I'd be curious to know your thoughts on. If there's something I can improve in either my attitude or something about my argument which is poor, I'd really appreciate constructive criticism.
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@alaqrab ·
All I can say is I felt like you were not being the @lukestokes I like in my feed. Could just be me projecting on you. You were saying the same things as jesta but for some reason, he was getting the point across to me better in his style. It is to hard to pinpoint and not a deal breaker. Still a big @lukestokes fan.
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@aldentan ·
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Good on you man. Thanks for writing this.

I am not big on the technical details, but based on the small chat group I am in on local crypto traders, it's only always about pumping and dumping when they talk about it.

That's something... I suppose?
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@alejandromata · (edited)
I respect your decision of not voting for posts related to EOS, but if you continue doing it I would also support you. 

EOS is the competence of steemit and although it is necessary to talk about this cryptocurrency on the platform, support it is a bit more questionable but legal.
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@alokzoom ·
I do not really understand about EOS but I often see postings about EOS from the steemians. I can only hope there is no conflict amongst the steemians because of it.
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@anna-mi ·
$0.68
EOS looks like a Trojan horse here. With good intentions he has entered into trust and now wants to take the idea of Steemit and go further. I heard about the platform ONO. I hope they do create something different, not a copy. Even if the steemit has problems, it is not a reason to give up. I think that our platform will still be able to resolve all the differences now and become better. Many witnesses are working on it. Yes, we need some reforms. But we don't need another Steemit with the name ONO.
👍  
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@anupbose ·
$0.04
You are awesome. I always try to follow your blog so that i can learn something new from u
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@arcange ·
Congratulations @donkeypong!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steemit Hit Parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20180529) in the following categories:

* Upvotes - Ranked 8 with 764 upvotes
* Comments - Ranked 3 with 263 comments
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@ausbitbank ·
FYI I have no intention to become a block producer on EOS .
👍  ,
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@mlgcrypto ·
dope
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@sircork ·
Good job, how do you like to phrase it? Um "sucking up"? I think was your go-to phrase, without actually contributing to the conversation. I bet you get many votes from this comment! LOL at calling me a suck up, if I was one of those I'd still work for the e-celeb you call a "leader". LOLOLOLOLOL
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@ausbitbank ·
I'm simply making my intentions clear - I'm not sucking up to anyone, I declined payout and I've never called anyone my leader. 
Still pathetically desperate for attention I see - go away.
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@surfyogi ·
Alright mon!
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@bangmimi ·
I like your statement brother @donkeypong, I also don't feel interested in EOS. So I don't support it.

Maybe, our reason is different because everyone has their own reasons. I personally prefer to have a clear program of certainty.

That's my little response after reading your post. I thought it was interesting so I commented.

>Sorry, If my English is still lacking in terms of grammar.

**Greetings from Indonesia.**
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@bearmaster ·
$3.88
I really think your arguments are acceptable to be against this whole issue and you are right we should have Witnesses much more committed to helping grow and maintain the ecosystem, not to be aware of his wallet.
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@bearone · (edited)
$0.64
Thanks for this @donkeypong. It helps that someone I trust and respect spoke out about the Steemit/EOS situation in very plain terms.

Naturally I'm wildly curious and went in search for information regarding EOS and ONO, neither of which gave me much clarity to be honest.

That said, from an investment standpoint, I still decided having 1 EOS is better than no EOS. After learning my lesson from not buying bitcoin when it first came out.

I'm not going to lie. There was a time there where I was thinking I might leave Steemit for multiple reasons,not necessarily for Ono, but just leave and go back to my quiet life. One major reason being the sad state of the platform, another simply due to the pressure and responsibilities I face here.

But like others here. I have also poured my blood, sweat and tears on this platform and I consider Steemit my home. It's where all my friends are.

In terms of loyalty, I don't so much think my loyalty is towards the platform itself, but towards the community we have here. 

If we leave, and we jump ship. What will happen to the people we have come to love, respect and call our friends. 

If we stay, we can work together and build Steemit up to be the Steemit we all had high hopes for.

So today I jumped off the fence and stopped my rubbernecking. Thanks Tom. I get it.
👍  
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@donkeypong ·
$0.04
Thank you. I love how you explained the loyalty to the community.
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@bitcoinquest ·
$0.64
I have great respect for your very open post and statements. It is good to have people like you speaking up and give a clear statement of loyalty and support for a platform that gives back to those contributing to it.

This kind of loyalty​ is getting rare in the crypto-space where many people are searching for the quick trade and not the story behind.

Continue great work, ​please!
👍  
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@blockbrothers ·
$0.65
We have no intention on becoming a block producer for EOS and are fully committed to the STEEM blockchain. 

We continue to develop apps and tools for the Blockchain like our most popular app called Steemify (notification app for iOS (3000+ downloads) and Android (coming soon). We would welcome your support if you think we deserve it.
👍  
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@boyasyie ·
it is very clear. the determination that everybody should have here. I have recently been looking at eos developments and am very interested in the level of the reclamation. however, I kept thinking, finally I took a stand, it seems this platform is enough for me to scrape little by little for my life. I do not want to take a headache. thanks for sharing sir.
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@brianphobos ·
$1.18
I understand your argument and I can't speak for the Witnesses.  Some of them do and unbelievable amount.  Some are just there by default and don't seem to do much of anything and a few worked there way into the situation after joining STEEM "late."  

I will just speak for myself.   STEEM wasn't distributed properly and in my opinion and a lot of other people's minds EOS is distributed more fairly.   We are also supporters of @dan 's work and want him to do well.   

STEEM is "almost" there and has been for two years.  Let's see what EOS can do.   Competition is good.   Maybe SMT will be launched sooner when the competition from EOS heats up!
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@donkeypong ·
$0.43
Competition is welcome and it's perfectly fine to be invested in both. I just choose not to use my votes from here to support the other one and I find it a conflict of interest when the same people want to govern both chains. Others are welcome to their own opinions, which I respect also.
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@mlgcrypto ·
Unless they're doing work on a private github then i doubt SMTs are as ready as people think
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@calatorulmiop ·
$0.65
EOS is not really out yet and we are beginning to see loyalties being questioned, in good faith but still.  I'm going to grab some popcorn because I sense a lot of drama in the future :P
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@ceepee ·
$0.68
Open explanation says it all. Thank you for the explanation, but really, taking a decision for what you stand for defines your person.
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@charitybot ·
$0.70
ONO honestly looks like a pile of shit.

China-level censorship and algos to make sure nothing ever rocks the boat? Check.

Giant 75 payout to devs and friends while the entire rest of the community gets 5 a year? Check.

Paying people to shill for them before launch? Check.

CEO only involved in shitty projects like a crappy eth cats clone? Check.

It's a shit project run by a literal female Jin Yang.

There are a lot of witness overlaps between BTS and STEEM and I still find issues with that, but at least BTS's flagship product isn't the same literal thing as STEEM's flagship.

Honestly EOS isn't that great. We should just drop the block time down into the nanoseconds for STEEM and claim we're faster than EOS if necessary.

Good shit man.
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@acidyo ·
>It's a shit project run by a literal female Jin Yang.

rofl
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@charitybot ·
$3.89
![onoyang.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmXkruyVGdXb81hwMpF7MSpq2a8fqrDjo5fjJ51KUVbjqc/onoyang.png)
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@holybranches ·
you beat me to it.
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@donkeypong · (edited)
You know more about it than I do. The leader there sounds like a nice lady with a vision, but from the pictures and profiles, it also appears to be run by teenagers.

Yes, the speed is virtually the same.
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@charitybot ·
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Yes, I only incidentally looked through the whitepaper because I kept seeing people harping on about how great ONO will be... on steemit of all places, and got annoyed enough to give it a read for the lulz. The extreme front-loading of the project and the desire to extract even more via a continuous cut of some aspects of the project leads me to believe it's a pretty big cashgrab trying to ride on the back of a trending project.

Ethics aside I'm sure that most people would jump at the chance to cash out like that in their youth as opposed to what, do actual work for the rest of their lives for a pittance in comparison? So I can't blame them any more than I can any of the other people involved in opaquely greedy ico's.
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@mobbs ·
To be clear, no legal business can operate in China without signing the users' rights away to the government for surveillance operations. This isn't even a secret. Even Apple has signed over its servers to be put in China so they can scrutinize their own apple-owning citizens. 

This is not something you want to have any of your personal data or views to be shared on, imo, especially now they're integrating their mass surveillance system(literally called 'skynet') through all social media apps within China (weibo, wechat etc)

(I live in China)
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@cortexx ·
$0.15
is this the war on cryptocurrencies? it's like google and facebook banning crypto ads?
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@creativetruth ·
$0.82
Really glad to see a post like this. Make clear your intentions, and your methods and strategy. That is all I could ever ask for from a witness. Some witnesses are very silent, and now I know why. I have heard their whispers in discord about jumping on the other wagon.

As a pro wrestling fan, I have seen this happen with old territory turf wars, and the brutal Monday Night wars with WWE and WCW. The competition made them build a better show, and paid their talent better. When rumors spread that the champ signed a contract with the rival company, swift action was _always_ appropriately taken to remove their title to avoid mass embarrassment and loss of value.

Post a list! Do it!

These witness are hiding their true intentions in secret. They prey on our ignorance, because it allows them to better reach their hidden goals. I want to know which witnesses are double dipping in Steemit and EOS. I have a larger witness blacklist than witnesses I trust. There are many more witnesses using this platform to advertise for their other conflicting endeavors, but that is for another post.

Post a list of the witnesses who are serious EOS adopters who are likely going to _upgrade_ to the so-called _Steem version 2_.

Thank you @donkeypong.
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@donkeypong ·
I've decided not to publish a list, but it's not difficult to find the EOS block producer candidates and compare them against a list of top Steem witnesses. Anyone who makes a wrestling analogy deserves a vote from me.
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@creativetruth ·
![f52.gif](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbE9SaBeWEF4eJ7sbaFDVb64R31ghMwJihajMSuzoL6Ms/f52.gif)

Yes, and I took a twisted amount of joy when I looked down the witness list yesterday to adjust my choices.
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@crypto3em3 ·
Lots of FuD poping up!
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@cryptoexpert0 ·
Great post! Upvoted you. Following you aswell. Have a nice evening.
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@cryptopie ·
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Sir @donkeypong I would be happy if you would put the witnesses names here so we can vote/unvote them too because I want a steem supporter witness with a full support of steem and steemit in particular.
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@donkeypong ·
My decision was not to list their names in the post. Some have identified themselves in these comments. Others, you can find by researching the names of EOS block producer candidates.
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@cryptosharon · (edited)
$0.77
When I started reading your post, I was a bit lost, noticing a certain unclarity in the message that you were sending (the "why can't I do two things at the same time?"), but then you mentioned the Conflict of Interests and I think that this is the point that holds the whole argument together.

And it is one hell of an argument. It's pretty black and white when you think about it. When two projects are so similar, people will tend to either one or the other and there will be competition. You can't be on both sides of the competition or you will not be trustworthy to those who put the weight of their voices on you.

In fact, with this argument, you are the first and only person who has convinced me of the importance of rational loyal Steem in regards to other blockchains (also applicable to other investments).
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@donkeypong · (edited)
$0.02
It's basic Business Ethics. Glad you appreciated that perspective. Thanks for your comment.
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@davemccoy ·
$0.64
Wow what a refreshing stand you are taking here @donkeypong.  Sometimes it appears to those of us that the people in your position on Steemit (early and big) don't really consider the issues that we can see every day.  

It is awesome to see that you have broken away from your established long-term friendships and done what you believe to be the "right" or "ethical" thing to do... I also like how you make the point that you are doing what ***you*** think is right and not sermonizing what other people should do with their votes!  That is also quite different and nice to see!

Keep up the good work and I hope you find the community witnesses that you appear to seek.  I know you will find many if you look.  I have a few I highly recommend that you may or may not know about @steemcommunity, @danielsaori, @jackmiller, @yabapmatt, @steemgigs, @curie  @qurator.  

Keep up the awesome support of this platform, your stance is very motivating for sure!
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@dedyrendra ·
$0.68
I tried commenting based on my point of view as a regular steemian with limited knowledge that I have about the world of blockchain. My apologies if I am wrong.

Reading your review above, I am very happy to say you are very sure and make sure to make steemit more developed in the future, and I'm glad you decided to not support post associated with EOS, means a big hope for the writers at steemit that has niche apart from talk about EOS will get greater support from you,

Hopefully the other whales will do more support to ensures steemit will grow stronger again in the near future.

A few weeks ago steemit has been getting members more than 1 m, I hope will be 3 m before end of this year.

Best Regards 

dedy rendra.

 Steem!! On.
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@donkeypong ·
10 million before you know it. :)
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@dedyrendra ·
😊😊😊 10m wow 🎉🎉🎉😍😍..
Thank you my buddy, I hope you always in the best health and will come to Indonesia or Province of Aceh and join espresso coffee time with steemfriends here☕☕.
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@djoi ·
$0.79
I may not understanding everything about blockchains and cryptocurrency, but I understand loyalty.
It is said that when the head is wrong or right, the body follows suit. Having divided loyalty has never been a good thing. Sitting on the fence is choosing the opposition. 

No one is forced to stay with steemit, but if you have such role as a witness, where you earn from the community because of the role, that's like receiving salary as an employee. Such person should be loyal. 

Is there a way to recognize such witnesses? This may be the reason the coin is depreciating swiftly. With EOS launching games close, many more people are powering down to get there. 

While I know that steemit will rise again, I also think the witnesses should pick a hustle and focus.

I felt your intense dedication for steemit @donkeypong maybe you should also share on your blog, from time to time, reasons why you are here and sticking here on Steemit.
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@donkeypong ·
Crypto in general has been in a downcycle; it's not specific to Steem. We have a lot to look forward to here in the coming months with SMTs and Hivemind (amongst other developments). To find those witnesses, you can research the names of EOS block producer candidates. I chose not to list names in my post, but some have identified themselves separately in their comments on this post.
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@donkeypong · (edited)
$0.16
As promised, I've made these donations to Steem curation initiatives. These should exceed the value of this post, but if the payout is higher than my donations, I will follow up later with more.

![Donations.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmWUJnNVfLeGzawhD4DCgahAG5apEMfu7zuMvHtY6UntC5/Donations.png)
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@pgarcgo ·
Thanks, tom. For your support! Highly appreciated!
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@dreemit ·
$1.13
This was very well thought out and clearly written,  not negative nor overly critical, I don't see how anyone could blame you for these decisions. I sincerely hope no one gives you a hard time, but if they do I will be looking at them with "one eye shut" in the future and possibly reconsidering some of my votes as well.
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@drpuffnstuff ·
$9.02
I respect your decision and thanks for posting this. To me this site is a place where other blockchains and technology are posted about often. At this point any single DAPP blockchain is as equal a competitor as EOS is are they not?

I joined Steem because it was the social media blockchain. Dan made a post talking about creating a DAPP blockchain. Next thing I know Steem is no longer the social media blockchain. It is yet another DAPP blockchain like EOS, NEO, Ethereum, tron, cardano, etc etc. So EOS is announced, Steem announces it is doing what EOS is doing. EOS announces future plans to develop a social media site. Who Announced becoming competition first, and whos decision will end up being a blunder..? I guess that is for time to tell..

Some of the best developers on Steemit are working with EOS block producers. Maybe, just maybe.. shoving them towards EOS is not the best idea. 

and yes ONO is one social media website on EOS. Dan Larimer is still planning on building another one as well.. I am thankful that competition is almost here. Maybe things will start being done around here, or around here will be done.
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@donkeypong ·
$0.76
IMHO, it's pure ego on his part. Plenty of other fish to fry with EOS' technology. As far as Steem becoming a blockchain competitor through its actions, SMTs are all I know about. Those should allow existing sites and communities to plug into a blockchain. I don't think that makes this a platform for the ICOs, etc. that we've seen on Ethereum and other developing platforms.
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@drpuffnstuff ·
$7.24
What is Bob's repair? They had no platform before doing an ico for their SMT.. or appics? Both had no communities before announcing becoming SMTs. Both did or are doing ICO's via SMT.  As far as I've read SMTs will allow you to do an ico and start a community as well. You even called EOS a fork of Steem..

I guess I don't see how SMTs are any different than erc20 aside from the fact they run on a better blockchain, and they have some built in voting and naming functionality. Which is what EOS will have. 

One more thing I forgot to mention. EOS was a fork of bitshares. People called it a scam because it had the bitshares graphene code in it. So if EOS is a Steem fork, then isn't Steem a bitshares 2.0 fork? 

I am in now way a cheerleader for EOS though btw. I have invested more cash into Steem. Even if my EOS is currently worth more..

I just think this is a social media platform that is supposed to be decentralized. So Dan or EOS posting here should be fine. Other people post about other chains all day. 

Discriminating on one chain over another is not good, unless it's Steem. We are on Steem so I'm fine with a little favoritism going that way. I just look forward to competition. Without it things are allowed to suck. Even ned said as much in my reply in his 'downvoted for aggrandizement' comment.

I respect your decision though. Sorry for the long winded comment. There is nothing wrong with wanting to support the things that are going to support Steem. Or not wanting to support the things that are not going to support Steem. 

In my perfect world Steem and Bitshares are both running on EOS. More inclusivity and less division is surely the best route. If that were the case it would just add users to all 3 blockchains more than likely. This road we are on is a divisive one unfortunately.
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@jamesbrown · (edited)
$0.76
> I am thankful that competition is almost here.

I'm 100% with you on that.  Thankfully, I've hedged my positions with relatively good timing so far (buying fairly close to their lows to date), or I may not be so with you.

Investments aside, coming at it from a pure user-experience perspective, competition is absolutely a very good thing.  I think we're close to witnessing an exponential growth in the decentralized social media market(s) once EOS, and perhaps a few other current "no namers", start pushing serious dev time into this space.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to start seeing television ads (here in the US) for one or more of the flagship decentralized social media sites sometime within the next year(ish) and it's around that time (assuming that there is such an advertisement effort) that I expect at least one of them will become a serious threat to the current social media giants like Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat and what-have-you.
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@sircock · (edited)
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if by hedging positions, you refer to your <a href="https://steemit.com/@truth-revelation/re-truth-revelation-nice-quotes-61-socrates-20180524t222710000z">self upvote farm</a> I think I agree with you.

You are doing awesome.
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@jesta ·
$0.77
I think I'm in line with your perspective on the situation here - and the showmanship between the these two projects has been a bit ridiculous. 

What makes it worse is that people really believe these two platforms are directly competing with one another, which is true in some respects, but not an absolute truth. They both are competitors and aren't. 

From the eyes of a developer, the analogy I can best describe is that STEEM and EOS are akin to iOS and Android. They're very different platforms, with different approaches, but ultimately accomplish the same thing (running the software on your phone). 

Apple goes the route of making things incredibly simple and easy to use - which in turn ends up limiting what developers can do with iOS. The developers on iOS are incredibly restricted to ensure the end user has a great experience and is safe from any threat. This is what STEEM's SMTs will be - safe, accessible and with a low barrier to entry. 

Android on the other had is focused on customization and adaptability. You can do almost anything on an Android device provided you write the software for it. However, this freedom also makes Android devices more prone to problems and the user experience isn't "as good" because of it. EOS dAPPs will be like android - flexible, powerful and with a high barrier to entry.

Furthermore, in the "mobile app" ecosystem you see plenty of app development teams that develop for both iOS and Android, and are probably sponsored by one or both in some way. 

There are some flaws in this analogy, especially from the eyes of an investor who's using his/her stake to vote for block producers, but there are also some truths. 

The release of the EOS platform isn't going to hurt STEEM anymore than a release of Android hurts iOS. Each platform will succeed based on the actions not only of those who are exclusive to their platform, but those who are also part of multiple platforms.

PS - If you want to consider another example, where each community of developers remains "isolated" to a single blockchain, consider using Playstation, XBox and Nintendo as reference. Those 3 platforms suffer greatly because of the lack of interoperability between their respective platforms. The consumer definitely ends up suffering as consumers are isolated into proprietary environments.
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@donkeypong ·
$0.07
If the various automakers got together and combined forces, they could build the perfect car. An engineer without a full-time gig from one could work for two or even three companies and make a full-time income! 

I'd love to see a kumbaya-hug and more cooperation, but we live in a free market with other humans. Different projects have various interestholders and agendas. And competition can improve the quality for the consumer, which is not as well served when there's just one game in town. You know the technology far better than I do, but I would guess it's still early to be talking about interoperability - I'll join you in supporting that if it becomes realistic in the near future. 

I understand that you want to be able to hire a team and do a lot more. (Frankly, with your skills, if you partnered with someone who understands business and marketing, there would be a lot of potential; chainBB could have been marketed to various communities here. Probably still could.) To your point, this is crypto. It simply isn't very stable yet. If I could count the number of people I know who have tried to go full-time either founding a crypto business or a Steem blog, often to "fail" due to volatile prices that can't support them yet, the fingers on two hands would not be enough to count them. Maybe we're not quite there yet.
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@mlgcrypto · (edited)
$0.73
nobody is saying that EOS and STEEM cant have interoperability. But being STEEM witness is like being a politician for the STEEM blockchain, being a block producer for EOS is definitely a conflict of interest.

It would be like being a US Senator, while being on the Russian Federation Council. 
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@sircork ·
Allegedly smart contracts are built to allow cross-chaining, so EOS in theory could connect some data through to other chains, but I have yet to see much beyond the white paper theories on that to believe its 100% viable.
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@dtube2 ·
I regard your choice of not voting in favor of presents related on EOS, but rather in the event that you keep doing it I would likewise bolster you. EOS is the skill of steemit and in spite of the fact that it is important to discuss this digital money on the stage, bolster it is more flawed however legitimate.
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@eastmael ·
Thank for coming up with this post. You hit the nail on the head. I read this thru @abh12345's post. I'm with you on this.
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@ehiboss ·
$10.06
I often wonder: if a decision was only going to favor one of the two between the steem blockchain and eos blockchain, as a top steem witness and eos BP,  which will it be?

At the end of the day, we are looking at what we call a conflict of interest. Things like these even spark the flames of perpetual unhealthy competition. Steem might not be where it wants to be right now, but when those "elected" who owe steem a primary duty to help it grow through thick and thin are busy vying for the growth of other rival blockchains, how is that a good thing?

Herein lies another problem:  The support for team eos comes from the steem blockchain..be it the steem/sbd being converted to eos, the posts made on STEEMIT and all. Why isn't the publicity channelled elsewhere? Steemit sourced it's users from the outside world, why not go and replicate that feat instead of targeting ready made members of the steem blockchain. 

How many people are doing genuine publicity for them without incentives or hopes of benefit? Well I know those who are doing and who can do such for steem.

I also believe that instead of complaining about the ills of this platform as an excuse to bail out, we can actually do something about it like some few individuals are doing.

Finally, I am open to corrections here since I believe I am not an island of knowledge and I am open to learning.
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@donkeypong ·
$0.02
Very well said. You're active in a number of communities where you've seen that happen, so your perspective is important here.
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@emmakkayluv ·
$0.68
Since I've been reading about eos,  I've been suspecting it to be a direct competitor to steemit,  but have this beautiful ways to sugar coat it

I don't believe in it,  I never did, and with this I'm reading, I don't think I can. 

EOS should stop using steemit to promote themselves...
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@erickpinos ·
$0.68
I hope that as time goes on, more STEEM witnesses would become organizations rather than individuals. So much trust has to be put into an individual when they become a witness whereas organizations that are built for Steem/Steem-related services are more likely to always keep Steem's best interests in mind.
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@donkeypong ·
$0.04
Absolutely. I agree completely. I have voted for a couple of witnesses that were teams and each of them turned out to be disappointing, but I still think that is what we need: witnesses who support dapp development, community building, marketing, etc. with the humanpower to get it done.
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@erickpinos ·
Interesting, I've looked at some witness teams that were disappointing but others that had good approaches so I'm very hopeful that we'll see more of them as time goes on.
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@faroel ·
it is essential for steem and steemit continuity
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@fatherfaith ·
To those witness been paid by Steem and not loyal, I say shame! Shame!! Shame!!!
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@firepower · (edited)
$0.64
Just an observation
- Some top witnesses currently run witness servers for other projects. Maybe they should be forthcoming about all of it!
- They either run bid bots or delegate their witness pay to bid bots which have essentially ruined this place.
- Then they are the same ones crying foul about people like Haejin and all the while expecting minnows not to self-vote, while they profit by all means necessary.
- For programmers running a basic witness server is easy. Even an RPC node is easily run if a dev has enough time for it. If you can pull whale votes, it's easy money as well. 
- There is no disclosure if any of the witnesses are employed full-time or on a retainer with Steemit Inc. 
- What if these witnesses are also running servers that benefit other projects? Irrespective of contractual obligations is this not a conflict of interest? Frankly, you can never know how many projects a dev is working on unless they are honest about it. When money is involved, why would they open up anyway?
- Some of the top witnesses are really good with code and are also helpful to the community, but so are some of the backup witnesses engaged in community building but don't earn a 10th of what these top witnesses do.
- Top witnesses make ~8000SP/monthly which is $20000 at current rates. 
- That's 240K/annually when Steem prices are at their current lows and yet they complain of not meeting their costs sometimes. I find that rather amusing to say the least! 

Considering the amount of money top witnesses earn here, I think it's fair that they focus on Steem blockchain, promote it and continue building apps or support community initiatives. 

Some of the top witnesses have been holding their positions from ~2 years and in the first year they earned about 1370SP per day! I'm sure their servers are doing a great job. But some of these older witnesses have accumulated about $100K/m at current prices. I'm sure that'll take care of the costs for a long time to come. 

Tom, I think you make an excellent case. I spent the last few days reading all the responses here and no matter how convincing some of them are, it seems like most of them want to keep their hands on both pots of gold. 

Maybe it's time they pick one for good! As much as I love competition, It would be good to see some loyalty to this project where many of us have spent a lot of time contributing to it's growth and sometimes making next to nothing for it and then be forced to watch some devs complain about not profiting enough.

Edit: made a post about this [here](https://steemit.com/steemit/@firepower/few-thoughts-on-donkeypong-s-decision-to-not-support-eos-posts-and-witnesses-on-steemit)
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@geekgirl · (edited)
$2.47
This reminds me of the Apple-Google drama of claims that Eric Schmidt stole the idea for Android from Apple while he was a member of the board of directors at Apple. I can see as a large stakeholder your explanation makes perfect sense. At the same time, I tend to believe for average users EOS emerging as a competition will be a good thing.

Healthy competition will motivate and drive innovation. For example, right here on Steem, Dtube recently made significant improvements after Dlive emerged as a competition. Dtube's new curation reward distribution may become a successful model for others to implement. In my opinion, a ​competition was the reason for this creative and innovative thinking.

Overall I welcome this competition, because I think it will make Steem even stronger in a long run. When Apple was almost going bankrupt, it was Microsoft that saved it. I think Steem and Eos can be competitors and  prosper alongside.

What I really would like to see is both Ned and Dan start getting along again, become great friends and support each other. That would boost both projects in crypto and social media space.
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@jesta ·
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^ this
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@mlgcrypto ·
$0.70
I don't think anyone is against competition. But As a witness you are assumed to have STEEMs best interest in mind at all times. Dan himself stated that he was building a direct competitor to STEEM. With that said i don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that it wouldnt be a conflict of interest to play politics at the top level of both platforms
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@gizechluy ·
If there are Steem witnesses who also play "advertising" role in EOS, unfortunately they are in the wrong place, as you expose that would be a conflict of interest and above all it would be a disloyalty to our platform.

I think your way of thinking is excellent because when you are governed by an ethical code you must be consistent with your decisions, it is as if I do not support the government of my country, but participate in the "bonuses" that are usually delivered.

Excellent content @donkeypong and do not worry in the end the Steemians will win.
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@gvand ·
$0.66
That is at your discretion, is your decision, are your vows, if your way of seeing those projects change because they are not what you thought or do not meet your expectations, I think you are in your right to do things like that
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@indurkin ·
$0.20
I had started a long comment on this subject but ended up posting instead.

https://steemit.com/steem/@indurkin/steem-vs-eos-build-bridges-not-fences
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@isnochys ·
$0.66
So it seems you have 9 witness votes free.
May I divert your interest to some other witnesses?
@emrebeyler 
@pjau
Or even myself, @isnochys?
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@donkeypong ·
My threshold is very high for supporting witnesses. I'm glad to begin a conversation about that, but it takes me a long time to trust a witness' reliability and understand the work they are doing to support this ecosystem.
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@jacqueline2 ·
$0.68
I like how you place it direct. I'm certain that some early Steemit witnesses came to Steemit, due to Dan. I'm following both Steemit and EOS. I figure some witness can have enough vitality for the two stages, or like you stated, twofold benefit ahead, who doesn't care for it? An EOS supporter myself, yet I question if an EOS based informal community can be any superior to Steemit however.
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@jaredzimmerman ·
seems to be the usual conflict of interest and struggle. I understand the idea of it from the steemit point of view, however I must agree....not sure how this came about but I hope it changes. Great points all should read this post.
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@jeezzle · (edited)
$0.68
I think this is great.   We need to be working on the long term viability of this platform. The decision for EOS to create a competitor site is really frustrating,  and the decision for our Witnesses here to double dip is equally bad.

 I think this site has the potential to be around for a long time but we need our strong players to be committed to this team.  When  you're batting for both teams the only person that doesn't lose is you.  And that sucks for everyone else.
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@jenny2 ·
$4.03
I trust that over the long haul, more STEEM witnesses would move toward becoming associations as opposed to people. So much trust must be put into a person when they turn into a witness though associations that are worked for Steem, Steem-related administrations will probably dependably remember Steem's best advantages.
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@donkeypong ·
$3.38
Definitely. I agree with you that groups, teams, or associations will be best. In the future, I will hold witnesses to a much higher standard as far as making a positive impact on the Steem ecosystem. Each one should be funding dapp development, marketing, or community building, etc.
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@mlgcrypto · (edited)
$0.02
100% agree with this. I'm new here and could totally be talking out of my ass, but from looking around at the github and the apps I get the vibe that while many of the Witnesses are putting in work towards making STEEM more valuable for all of us currently many of the witnesses are nothing more than glorified E-Celebs.
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@sircork · (edited)
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Heh, my team does all three and then some, and we are insistent that witnesses should be *using* the platform. I'm well over the excuses that we never see top 20s because they are busy working on stuff. Some of which materializes, some of which doesn't. Meanwhile my team mate and i spend about 140 hours a week a piece here. literally putting in 20 hour days.

Also I think that at least the top 20 should also run full RPC and seed nodes, required or not, and the only reason I don't is because the servers currently cost more than a level 63 witness can afford without a revenue stream here, and because all our projects are free tools, charitable, communities or otherwise not revenue generators, for now, i am waiting to see if appbase and rocksdb can make the currently still vaporous claims of major ram requirement reductions come true. Even if I had the rev to stand up a full node today, id wait for hf20 now or just be downsizing a couple month old expensive node and rebuilding anyway at this point.
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@jesta ·
$0.68
I respect your opinion on this matter - even though I fundamentally disagree with your logic.

By all means though - please vote for those who you feel are contributing the **most** to STEEM and it's success. Everyone should do this always. I was personally sad to lose your support and figured this was why, but it's you're right to voice your opinion (in the form of voting) however you see fit. 

I do have one comment on some of reasonings you listed out:

> (1) they are not making enough money here

I think when talking about "enough", the **for** is important context in this point. 

On one hand: currently (and for the majority of STEEM's lifespan) witnesses have been rewarded enough to support themselves and enough for a professional server infrastructure to produce blocks and help the STEEM network. 

On the other hand, STEEM witnesses "are not being rewarded enough" to build entire teams that can do meaningful work on the STEEM network (at least from my experience). This may change - but you can't build a team on the "hopes" that STEEM prices will rise higher. 

It's not black and white when it comes down to "not making enough money". If and when you try to boil it down that far, it tints the motivation towards greed. While I'm sure greed plays a role in it for some people - it's not the primary motivator for everyone.
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@donkeypong ·
Thanks for your responses. I respect your opinion as well, though I think you discount the role of a witness in its role in governance and potential conflicts of interest. I responded to your other comment with more detail.
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@jo5h ·
I totally get the part about witnesses. And you do have some really strong arguments too
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@joelgonz1982 ·
$4.09
If that is your decision you have to respect it, everyone is free to express what they feel.
In one part you are right when you say "1) you are not making enough money here, or (2) you would like to spend more time with others" The witnesses think they earn enough to look for extra money with EOS.
I did not know that the first line witnesses won 25 thousand dollars a month. How much money would they earn as an EOS witness? I think 3 times that amount ..
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@josediccus ·
$0.70
I understand your angle and you have too many reasons to be right, the thing is Peter can never be robbed to pay Paul really, if you decided not to support the EOS posts using steempower is a credible  claim and it's undisputable really, I however stand of principles of right and wrong and you're certainly right.
I wish STEEM could be crowdsourced like this I'm other platforms it's a pity it isn't
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@donkeypong ·
Crowdsourcing? That's what we're doing right now, isn't it? Give me an idea and if I like it, I'll vote you the funding.
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@charitybot ·
$0.91
Don't know if you're serious, but I was going to write a post/make a submission somewhere touching on something I have mentioned in the past, which is that dlive/dtube should totally team up to fund an esports team in a country/countries with low costs of living but large enough playerbases with potential talent who could grow to become at least tier 2/1.5 in their respective games, if not tier 1. Do you think that's feasible at all, or that they would want to partake in any kind of shared responsibility like that? I think if we want to get eyeballs and users from the outside we have to start thinking a little differently.
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@josediccus ·
I think STEEM has been of immense value to people, and it's really not even crowdsourced you know like most even valuable stuffs that are being fed down people's throat.
 I think majority of people do not kow about STEEM, and I'll be damned if EOS rises to take over.
If you ask me, I'll humbly say it's possible to orientation on local TVs, mass ads, on billboards in many countries, even on products that uses ads to boost their economy, so many ways sir, can I continue?
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@joythewanderer · (edited)
$7.58
I quite understand your postion and I like how you put it in a straightforward way. I’m sure that some early Steemit witnesses (although I've no idea which ones are involved in EOS now) came to Steemit, because of Dan. I’m following both Steemit and EOS. I guess some witness can have enough energy for both platforms, or like you said, double profit ahead, who doesn’t like it? An EOS supporter myself, but I doubt if a EOS based social network can be any better than Steemit though.
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@donkeypong ·
$1.94
I was an early BitShares adopter and have followed Dan for more than four years now. He has my utmost respect and thanks for what he has envisioned and helped build. But he jumped off the Steem boat much too early (as he did with BTS). History will probably repeat with EOS once the people problems overwhelm the coding there.
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@charitybot ·
I'm sure if there were explicitly no contracts drawn up but the steem was already in his pocket it must have been a no-brainer to jump ship and try to print more money elsewhere if there were still people around trying to push up the price of an asset he got regardless of length of tenure. Sometimes contracts are a good thing... a non-compete could have made him, ya know, actually try to work things out with steem.
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@joythewanderer ·
Thanks for the reply, Tom. Dan is an amazing writer and programmer, I was so inspired by his story, how he started his journey on Blockchain. Without him, I wouldn't get into crypto to be honest. It would be interesting to see how the EOS main net looks like and how Dan solves  the possible bugs in the future. It's sure a concern if he would ever just leave the platform. As he stated before Steemit has some unfixable problem(unfixable might mean he prefer a public chain like EOS I'm not sure), I hope he could fix all the problems on EOS.
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@surfyogi ·
$0.79
I really appreciate your TIMELY comments and airing the linens..
I showed up a little later, and not as deeply nested, and have had a difficult time drawing any lines, mostly just standing back and taking in the view!
What amazing times to be alive. 
Thanks yall, I'm having such a great time! ;-)
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@surfyogi ·
Wonderful comments, thanks.
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@kretorkk ·
Most welcome sir.
Please sir upvote and resteemit done
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@julietisrael ·
$0.27
Support your own cheerleaders; I hope you don't mind if I use my voting power elsewhere. 

As long as it's your voting power, you're free to use it the way you like, I guess
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@kafkanarchy84 ·
$0.68
Interesting stuff. While I don't really have a dedicated "dog" in this fight, this was a stimulating read, and good food for thought. Thanks.
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@donkeypong ·
$0.12
Well, you've been here long enough I would hope you care about this place. If a person has both dogs, then that's perfectly fine also. But I'm not going to use one's food to feed the other.
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@kafkanarchy84 ·
Of course I care, man. It's pretty much my bread and butter right now. And that is no easy feat in the current climate, as you may well know. This community has given me a kind of voice I did not have an outlet for prior. I am interested in EOS, too, but also have some fundamental disagreements with Larimer's worldview/ideas/approaches.
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@kilbride ·
$0.66
I definitely appreciate this food for thought. I feel that the transparency that is touted here (though sometimes still worked around) is one of my favorite aspects. *IF* witnesses have these conflicts of interest, I think its important that we know, and then can take all of the information and decided whether it is possible for them to be partial or if it is fair for us to expect them to step away from involvement from projects such as this. I just hate to have decisions made for me, or information kept, especially as I move into supporting Steemit more and more. How would we be able to research which witnesses are involved in both? Or is it sort of a 'keep your ear to the street' kind of thing ?
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@kkarenmp ·
$0.64
Sometimes one is impressed with the things one reads, so many witnesses are not 100% with this platform? It would be very good to know what these witnesses are because I would not support or give my vote to someone who is not 100% committed to this ecosystem as many people call it, I am not a whale, much less a dolphin or any of those big fish but I am committed to this project is called Steemit always looking to make quality content, and I am part of a community that is little by little and we need someone to sponsor us to continue growing to sponsor in the sense of carrying out certain contests and challenges for the community that we have is very good we have writers, musicians (I am a violinist) and good what you speak seemed very interesting because it is sad that they are supporting another platform and this is the one that gave them life they are leaving the background. regards
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@donkeypong ·
Anyone who wants to find out can do so with a little research. I decided not to publish those names in my post because I wanted it to be more of an explanation than a hit piece. Some have identified themselves in the comments.
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@kyriacos ·
EOS is bullshit. Much like other PoS. Real world plutocracy with extra steps. No revolution there, that's for sure.
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@lemony-cricket ·
$0.66
Your honesty is refreshing, @donkeypong. We are all wondering what's going to happen when Steem has a formidable competitor. I feel like most people are too afraid to acknowledge the elephant in the room: _if Steem is not the best at what it does, its value will fall._ Therefore, if your investment is in Steem, it is simply a matter of acting in your best interest to attack other projects, or at the _very_ least, withhold support. I don't believe that's unethical, in the slightest.

I don't use "attack" as a bad word here. I don't believe that all attacks are _bad behaviour_. For example, I would consider it _good behaviour_ to participate in a 51% attack on an obvious scam coin.

There's something to be said for a bit of healthy Steemian tribalism. I don't think anyone can hold that against you.
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@mardax ·
Post about supporting EOS at Steemit is like you have shop and somebody comes to your shop and shouts to everybody that somebody is building another shop nearby
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@markkujantunen ·
Agreed. Conflicts of interest should be avoided.
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@masterfoo ·
if i have chance 2 upvoting i 'll do for you.
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@masud1234 ·
$0.68
I see posts gladly cheerleading EOS on steemit and I simply choose not to see saying "perhaps this is on the grounds that the co proprietor of steemit is tye proprietor of EOS thus its permitted". Be that as it may, to be true I figured it wasn't right. Steemit will be steemit and anything donw here ought to be to promot steemit and for the benefit of steemit. I should state I bolster this development of yours energetically as should be obvious that it is for the great od tye group. This needs to stop and it would take a move the correct way like yours to stop it
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@max1994 ·
I comprehend your point and you have excessively numerous motivations to be correct, the thing is Peter can never be ransacked to pay Paul truly, in the event that you chose not to help the EOS posts utilizing steempower is a tenable claim and it's undisputable truly, I anyway remain of.
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@mediahousent ·
$0.68
I know it is pretty difficult choosing sides when it comes to this kind of scenarios but first you said in legal terms- it is called **“conflict or clash of interest”**.

I don't think people here on steem blockchain need to be involved in an act that will dampen the progress and forwardness of this chain. Better still, they can relief themselves of their post from the other party for the new found party not too lose on both ends.  Double jeopardy! 

And a man's word must be credible and upright, always know where you stand, the steem blockchain now knows @donkeypong position henceforth. Although, he didn't have a bad blood against people fronting for EOS. Just stated his mind that's all... 
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@donkeypong ·
Trust.
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@melbourneswest ·
Thats actually quite interesting I didn't think about it that way before thank you for providing an alternative perspective of EoS
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@mepatriot ·
$3.87
I concur 100% with your position on EOS, especially regarding the divided loyalties of witnesses and witness candidates.  I am happy to say I have never upvoted any competing crypto post here on steemit (or anywhere else) and never will, because I believe in total dedication to a project once you've set your shoulder to the load.

That having been said...we are going to get our lunch eaten soon by some startup if we don't improve the incentivization of quality content here, de-incentivize upvoting for poor content, stop malicious downvoting for people that do it purely for ideological reasons, and get a better distribution of new membership from a broader cross-section of the planet than we currently have.

Just saying...
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@donkeypong ·
$3.15
For sure. Plenty of work remains here to improve this place so that Steem/it works for everyone. We'll get there.
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@mepatriot ·
I sure hope so.  This place has AMAZING potential..and could be bigger than all the other social media platforms combined if we clean things up a bit.
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@miklkent ·
$0.61
No matter which side of the debate you're on on this, or how you feel, this paragraph right here is the strongest in the whole piece: 

>In legal terms, that’s a conflict of interest, because they cannot make decisions on behalf of one without potentially disadvantaging the other in that same space. Thus, when they are presented with a proposed update that favors one blockchain over the other, they have no choice but to violate the oath they have taken to act in the other community’s best interest. If they don’t anticipate that possibility, then they may be too naïve to be entrusted with the governance responsibility.

That's the clincher and something that should be read and *absorbed* by those who may wish to do both. In the long run, no matter which side you're on, it comes down to responsibility and truly honoring that oath. The oath should be the basis for which you made the decision and not potential $$$.

Those are just my thoughts.
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@mirzacho ·
$0.69
Be in agreement.
don't give a slot
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@mittymartz · (edited)
Well said and written

The key of al this is `Loyalty......`

Anywhere you use your voting power is your option and the best decision to you... Yih are reading a great job support different authors and communities 

Kudos... Sorry to say I smell loyalty in your blood Because I like the way you ironed the situation..
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@mokles ·
cryptocurriencies are the future,
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@moniristi ·
I like and appreciate your work and I have decided to give you my vote for witness. Still going on, you give a very good value to Steemit community. I am telling to my friends about your bot Tracker web and they all love it! I will sitill promoting you all I can. I am a mennow now if you can give me some support I would thank you a lot too ;)
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@donkeypong ·
I'm not running for witness, bot.
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@motivationmob ·
I can totally understand why you would not want to support EOS posts.
It makes a lot of sense to me. 
 
I really think they should stick to what they are good at, 
and leave Steemit do it's thing.
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@mrashik ·
@donkeypongI have voted you as a witness. A friend of mine told me you deserve it, and I agree. I love everything you do, especially the bot tracker ^^ so keep going! As you put it in your description, you are Invested and fully committed to the long term growth of Steem! See you soon!
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@donkeypong ·
Please crawl back under that bot rock of yours. I'm not interested in running for witness.
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@mlgcrypto ·
and now its official. Donkeypong is running for witness
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@mysearchisover ·
$0.22
Great post! If EOS stuff worked as good as Facebook and Youtube and had a good earnings setup maybe I will consider switching. Unfortunately EOS is not even live yet though. lol I think right now that is the main difference between EOS and Steem.
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@nathan-rokus · (edited)
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I run an EOS newsletter that I publish on http://thisweekineos.com which I also publish on steemit. I am also an ethereum developer. So keep my biases as well as my expertise in mind when reading about my opinion. 

The biggest objection that jumps at my face is that steemit competitors can be made with any other smart contract platform of which EOS is but one of many.

If you do not believe me, take a look at https://peepeth.com/ which is a twitter-like dapp running on Ethereum, a smart contracts platform supporting less transactions/sec than EOS. If a twitter clone can be made on Ethereum what is stopping anyone, right now, from making a steemit competitor on any other platform? Should people be ostracised for making posts about Ethereum or NEO because a steemit competitor can potentially be made on those platforms?? Of course not! 

Because steemit is such a genius, awesome idea should it not be expected that a competitor be bound to come up? The fact that one is planned on EOS rather than all the other smart contract platform does not warrant going to war with the smart contract platform itself.

Of course, in this case block.one themselves are interested in doing a steemit 2.0, but it's easy to see that even if block.one was out of the picture someone else would have come up with steemit 2.0 on another smart contracts platform.

Therefore, EOS is NOT a steemit killer. It is just a generic smart contract platform like any other smart contract platform and should not be held responsible if someone uses it to make a steemit competitor.
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@donkeypong ·
Competitor, definitely not killer. And I'm OK with the competition if they bring it. My only point is that I choose not to use my Steem votes to build it for them.
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@ohakfarm ·
$0.43
Everybody has his or her own decisions to make, and we have to respect that. You have your reasons, and not just a reason but a good and geneue one. 

Concerning the Eos and ONOs, I really have little interest about them, may be because I'm still new to the platform or another reasons. What I know is that, you can decide who and whoever to vote for as long as it doesn't cause any side effects to the community. 

For someone like you, you are one of the most experienced steemian on this platform. You have the knowledge and understanding of what to do, so if your decision is to not upvote eos related posts, you must have had your reasons. 

Thanks for the information @donkeypong
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@olawalium ·
$3.96
Wow!. This is a great view i must say sir. I totally support you on this. Loyalty is every thing and that is what i picked out from here too.

1. Witnesses are being paid quite a lot, it is logical for them to support the growth of this platform without undivided attention.

2. If EOS wants to be a competitor to this platform, it is common sense for them to support their own rather than have other people to support them with their supposed competitor's Steem Power!.

I love the way you gave us your thought sir. I am with you on this, absolutely...without coercion hahaha
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@donkeypong ·
Thanks. I'll respect whatever others want to do. This is how I see it and there's definitely no coercion. Thanks for the comment.
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@olawalium ·
I really enjoyed your view and take on this. You are a man of great insight and I really respect that.

Thanks a lot sir.
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@oldtimer ·
$2.53
Great explanation. You bring some good points here and I agree with you. But for an average user like me is useless without names. Most of us don't have a clue what is happening behind the scenes. If we want changes we need names.
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@donkeypong · (edited)
An earlier draft of my post included names, but it didn't feel right. This isn't a witch hunt and I'm not trying to shame anyone. If other users care to investigate, they can find out which Steem witnesses are also candidates for EOS block producers - definitely a few familiar names. Some probably have identified themselves in comments on this post as well.
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@olumideolowoyeye ·
$0.79
>Steem Witnesses should be 100% committed to the Steem ecosystem, not divided in their loyalty, commitment, or fiduciary status

This is an act of betrayal, mutiny, dishonesty, unreliability and I must say it’s a banish-able offense off steemit. The forerunners, the leaders how are the main face of the platform are the black faces . 

About EOS, trying to copy steemit is such a dishonoring thing to do , let’s see how well it goes for them

I respect your decision on this and I must say, some witnesses deserves to be checked . So nice you clarified yourself, good name is better than riches they say
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@donkeypong ·
Your language is stronger than mine. I don't bear any ill will towards these people. But I'm also doubting they would do well in a Business Ethics class. For me, it's mostly about commitment level to Steem; either they are or they aren't.
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@mlgcrypto · (edited)
Sometimes you just  cant play nice tho. @olumideolowoyeye is totally correct. I really don't see how this is even a hard concept for people to comprehend and I'm appalled that certain witnesses are even attempting to defend their ability to do both so vehemently

Witnesses and Block Producer are politicians plain and simple, and as I stated earlier I would not trust a US senator who was also a member of the Russuan Federation Council.
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@opeyemioguns ·
I think steem is sleeping, EOS come after steem and it's just getting higher than it, steemit should do something or else other cryptos would meet it and still boost than it
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@paulag ·
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hi @donkeypong - I have read your post with interest and the thread.  I left a detailed reply to @lukestokes and @davidmccoy on the follow up posts and felt I should also try and add some value here.

Sometimes I feel like there are people on steemit I can not talk to, because I don't speak code. But I do speak the language of business and when it comes to 'steemit' the business aspect is often overlooked.  Thank you for bringing up the topic of fiduciary duty and its relationship with steemit witnesses.

I see the witnesses as a board of directors, which have a fiduciary duty and conflict of interest must be declared.  Like directors, witnesses can be removed, however directors can rotate or even have a maximum duration term.  This is all a question of corporate governance.

Corporate governance on steemit is the voice of the people with high SP.  Its a centralized as you can get.  Weighted stake an all.

Back to Steemit and EOS.  I'm going to be honest, I joined a EOS telegram group with the intentions of 'keeping in the loop'.  I have not found time to 'keep in the loop' because I have work commitments and anything outside of that is spend on steemit.  So I don't know how anyone can really service both at the same time.  But I also know there are many that dont have a 'job' too.

In my reply to @lukestokes posts I told a story of a different platform in which I was an early adapter.  One of the things I learned from that experience is that people jump ship and can suffer from shiny new object syndrome.  I believe many high SP holders will jump ship, some of which are witnesses.  It is my opinion that they 'monetized' steemit to early (via bitbots, leases bla bla) and will move on to the next shiny new object to do the same.

This is good.  This will be progress for Steemit.  This will allow our board of directors (the witness team) become more rounded offering different skills that will ensure steemit becomes a world class platform.
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@quochuy ·
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Thanks for bringing this topic to our attention. I, too, believe a Steem witness should focus on Steem. If you still believe in Steem, this is the time where you have to stand your grounds and focus your activities to make Steem better. If you doubt Steem or stopped believing, then stop witnessing for it.
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@realestatecoach ·
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Many of us want to make the right choices on witness votes but do not know as much that is going on.  Can you provide a list of the witnesses who are doing double duty.  I would like the right to not vote for them as well.
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@donkeypong ·
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You can find a list of EOS block producer candidates if you research them. You will see some familiar names. Some have identified themselves in the comments on this post.
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@realestatecoach ·
Thanks.  I actually pulled up several of them based on the comments below.  I didn't do any research by doing searches on EOS.  I think I did take a couple of witnesses off but I feel I'm scratching the surface and still not as up to speed as I should be.
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@reneburzo ·
Good point. Thanks for sharing.
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@reynakarina ·
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a really good post @donkeypong, that's great, I agree with you, because it's all for the sake of creating Steem to grow in the future, but I think Steem will always be number one for the future, because I see, more and more people are supporting Steemit, so even if Steem has a rival, it will not be a problem. Thanks for sharing, and I will always support you, and I hope Steemit will be more successful for the future, because with Steemit, the less unemployed in the world...
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@rinata ·
What about decentralization and co-existence? Can you imagine that actually on Facebook you can promote Twitter and vice versa. You can post photos on Instagram and they will automatically appear in your Facebook or Twitter feed. I mean, there is enough room in crypto space for many projects. Probably, the market shares will look different but hey, this is a competition. Steem should not and can not be a monopoly. 
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@sadpotato ·
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I thought about the same. But...
Having some steem and also having some EOS I want both of them to grow bigger, so... ehhh
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@donkeypong ·
And maybe I do, too. Even if so, I (would) still want to see the communities act in the best interests of each one.
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@sadpotato ·
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I was really concerned how ONO can affect steemit and I had an ominous feeling and nightmares that it will overtake steemit and what about my little amount of steem tokens that I've got with my own tears and blood!? These days it's so hard to get a normal upvote. Unless you agree with everything people say and kiss their ass really hard lmao.
But then... I realised I don't have enough nerve cells to worry about EOS drama too much so I just don't think about it. Whaaatever.
Good competitor might be also a good sign for the future growth, btw.
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@seha76 ·
... Some even call EOS as Ethereum killer.
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@sgt-dan · (edited)
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<center>![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmf3PobxpJQ1TNFvvAb3AVNSQEa9fdnCoaRx226fG3wi55/image.png)</center>

<br>

<center>This is my credo, this is what I live by.</center>
Leadership is based on loyalty, **true followers** on this blockchain are not swayed by monetary gain but by the integrity of those they follow. Even though I am an empath, I do not know the *agendas* of everyone involved in this discussion, but we all can just observe their actions. 

All of my EOS has been donated to VOTU who *I perceive are jumping ship* and heading to what they perceive to be *greener pastures*. There are issues with STEEM, but one who is loyal, will hang around and try to address and provide possible solutions. Reinvention of the wheel is not the answer.

We are all here for either *influence* or *monetary gain*, and to *push* our agendas whatever that may be. Anyone that says different is lying to themselves. 
<center><h1>Enough said.</h1></center>

Sorry @captainobvious did not mean to steal your thunder.
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@shadowspub ·
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I see one witness named as also being a EOS BP... are there others? IMO if one is named, any others should be too.
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@shihabieee ·
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I didn't really know what a witness was till now! Glad you're taking the initiative! I enjoyed reading this post! I started coding a few years back looking at shows about hackers haha! Now That I've gotten into it, I love everything about it. Very informative post! Good work :D
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@donkeypong ·
That's great you were able to learn something form it. In Bitcoin and many other crypto projects, miners conduct the work needed to verify the blocks. In this system, the accountholders elect witnesses to handle that, which makes it much more efficient (but not without its challenges in terms of governance).
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@silentscreamer ·
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Yes, could become a conflict of interest for witnesses once EOS dapps launch. Now it seems to me that witnesses just like us, are dipping their toe in the water. Who knows what exactly will happen with EOS.. 

Thats especially the case with minnows, most of whom have extremely limited earning potential on Steem. (im one of the very few super lucky ones).  
That is why you are seeing cheerleading posts. People just cant stand the drama, cant stand unfairness (anyway they might judge that), they hate 50% of SP is locked in bot delegation, they hate that only a small handful of "saint whales" upvote minnows, they hate that Curie and OCD are the only big players in the community curation game that actually value quality, they hate the trending page looks the way it does. 
There is a lot of frustration and the way they deal with it is: "_EOS will be better, will be best, i couldnt earn here, but on EOS, that will change completely_.
Call that what you want. Delusion, lying to yourself that the promised land is just across that hill, passive aggresive voicing of their frustration... etc 
You said it yourself that you encourage others to try EOS out, but this is slowly turning into Xbox vs playstation debate. 
Some people will literally yell at you, call you ignorant, lacking in knowledge, if you criticize EOS. 

Their incessant cheerleading for EOS is a sort of revenge to the Steem blockchain.  

You might be a little hard on witnesses that are trying out EOS. As i said i think it will become a conflict of interest, but it still is not until we see what EOS has to offer. Witnesses will have to make a choice. 

Its either Xbox or Playstation.
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@sircork · (edited)
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Amen. I debated LukeStokes on this topic live on the air on Sunday on Steemitzens of Steem on the @SteemStarNework, taking the position that our top witnesses heading that way cannot in any effective way serve two masters. His response was let the voters decide. And it looks like at least one or more powerful voters like yourself are doing just that.

I'm with you.

Full disclosure, I too, considered it two months back, and bought some domain names (reallly good ones too) to support moving a similar set of projects modelled after my @SteemStarNetwork and @YouAreHOPE Foundation initiatives there as well. But I quickly deduced I wanted no part of that, and intend to stay here, for a number of reasons. 

The debate with Luke was lively to be certain, but we are on very different sides of it. I am all in for Steem. Our work as a team witness here is about lifting voices on THIS platform and ensuring a strong and growth oriented future here. How could I work for Coke and Pepsi, Ford and Chevrolet or McDonalds and BurgerKing at the same time and do either one credible justice with integrity?

There is more too it and our audience asked Luke some tough questions. If you want the link to the debate replay post, its on my blog from Monday's post of Sunday's show.

Thanks for taking the right fork in the road with us @DonkeyPong
@SirCork
Steem Witness #63 in full partnership with @RhondaK

[edited some grammar, not all of it, just a spot that made something ambiguous sounding to me I want to be specific about.]
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@donkeypong · (edited)
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Well said (and I especially like the Coke and Pepsi part). Luke is a very nice guy, but he's wrong about this.
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@afire ·
you are right sir!!  @donkeypong
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@jasonrussell ·
I sure hope steem is pepsi in this analogy....
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@lukestokes · (edited)
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I don't often check my witness votes as far as who is or isn't voting for me (I try to stay as impartial as possible), but the other day I did happen to see your vote removed (as it's a rather large one, it stood out) so I was happy to see this post and explanation. I love that we can respectfully disagree and still get along just fine and continue adding value to STEEM.

Before I get too far along, I want to ask if you'd also remove your support for witnesses like @anyx and @jesta? In my opinion, they have provided more value to this blockchain than most any other witnesses combined. To remove support for them would be to signal that what they are contributing here is not valued. IMO, that hurts all of STEEM. IMO, they provide so much value exactly because they are involved in the entire cryptocurrency ecosystem, not just one thing.

If some authors are receiving support to shill for a project, I'd be very turned off also. I've never done that for any project. One time after I wrote a SmartCash post, I found out about a writing contest which was already going on and submitted my post. I ended up winning and that's the closest thing I can think of to getting rewarded outside of STEEM for a post here. I think those who talk about projects they like should do so because they like the projects, not because they are getting paid to talk about them. I completely agree with your reasoning for not upvoting posts for projects you're not interested in. Definitely use your Steem Power as you see fit.

As to witness voting, I wouldn't say those who are advisors or block producers or advocates for multiple projects or teams are "double dipping." On the contrary, I think being well-rounded and learning from every project in the space helps people have a more complete understanding of what the latest technologies are and what open-source and governance best practicies are being implemented which can benefit other open source projects. For me, this isn't about tribalism or coin maximalism, but about improving human well-being. The things I learn from EOS, eosDAC, STEEM, SmartCash, or any other project I advise or do research on makes me a better cryptocurrency advocate and (IMO) STEEM witness.

Back to my example of @anyx and @jesta, I think the only metric that should matter is whether or not a witness brings value to the STEEM ecosystem compared to others. If someone who works on multiple projects is too busy with those projects to stay engaged enough in STEEM, then their output would decline and not voting for them makes sense. If, on the other hand, they are learning new things and bringing those ideas (these are all open source projects anyway, right?) back to STEEM to improve it, why is that a bad thing?

I'll give a practical example of what I mean. I mentioned <a href="https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/i-submitted-my-first-hardfork-pull-request-to-the-steem-blockchain-updates-to-the-sbd-print-rate#@lukestokes/re-timcliff-i-submitted-my-first-hardfork-pull-request-to-the-steem-blockchain-updates-to-the-sbd-print-rate-20180529t022527524z">in a comment to Tim Cliff</a> about how the EOS community is building a foundation to control the EOS Github repo outside of the control of Block.one. I think that's something we should do also and @smooth replied in agreement. That's just one of many small examples where being engaged and involved in many different blockchain projects helps us all grow and be better at our jobs. For another example, what if SMT Oracles could be improved by including the Ricardian Contracts like EOS is using?

If someone's motivation is selfish or that they "aren't getting paid enough" or some similar reason, then I would agree with your reasoning to remove your vote. If, on the other hand, they want to provide more value to the whole cryptocurrency space to increase human well-being, that's something I support, based on their output of value.

I don't see blockchain projects as tribal "teams." I like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVEMa7YkefY">this talk by Andreas Antonopolous</a> where he describes a future where money is a form of language expression and competing currencies all live together just fine. I can't imagine any situation where a witness would (or even could) actually make a decision against the best interest of the community they are producing blocks for. We discussed this on the show SirCork is mentioning as well and no compelling example was presented.

You mention the potential for a conflict of interest. Can you give a concrete example? The only one mentioned on the show related to a witness blocking the release of SMTs which we all kind of agreed is ridiculous. Any witness who doesn't do what's best for STEEM will not remain a STEEM witness. The witnesses aren't writing the code (for the most part), they are validating blocks as trustworthy members of the community. Their expertise and experience in many projects creates that reputation. I've been a witness for a year. A top 20 witness for 6 months of that year. I've yet to come across anything evenly remotely concerning regarding insider information or the concerns you're bringing up. It's all open source and everything is visible by everyone on Github, long before a witness decision is made regarding an upgrade or fork.

I'd like to see a real example of "a proposed update that favors one blockchain over the other" because I can't imagine one that would cause me to make a poor decision, and I don't think I'm being naïve. I'm always going to work as hard as I can to support the communities that are trusting in me. What incentive would I have to invalidate that trust? On the contrary, by being involved in both projects (and even many projects), I can bring the best of all worlds together. eosDAC, as an example, is learning about decentralization from things SmartCash is doing (which I learned about via a tipping bot here on Steemit). We are all connected, building a new financial and governance reality. If we start creating walled gardens with "us vs. them" mentalities, we'll stunt progress and take further steps backwards.

@donkeypong, I respect you and the many communities you support here. I say all this not to persuade you to change your mind, but to clarify my perspective for others who are still undecided. As I mentioned <a href="https://steemit.com/eosdac/@lukestokes/a-big-step-towards-our-decentralized-future-i-ve-joined-the-eosdac-launch-team">two months ago when joining eosDAC</a>, I think decentralization and DACs are the future, and I want to help build that future. I think it will impact and improve not just every cryptocurrency project in the space, but systems all over the world (governments, corporations, non-profits, clubs, and more). I think the DAC Toolkit will help many future DACs built on STEEM who need tools for organizing themselves as a DAC. I see a future where we all work together to create the world we want to live in, not just to support our tribalistic team. I'm <a href="https://steemit.com/tribalism/@lukestokes/tribalism-our-shared-enemy">not a fan of tribalism</a> and when I hear some of this language, it puts me on the defensive a little bit. Let's not push away those who are creating value for STEEM. The output of value is what should matter most.
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@sircork ·
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I would say Luke and I - after two rounds of public debates - at a meetup and on the live streams on youtube, twitch, steemstar.net, etc, - have reached a point of civil disagreement that didn't begin so civilly.
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@drpuffnstuff ·
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I think open source blockchain projects are somewhat different than coke and Pepsi are they not? I see what your saying. I just feel like that is on old centralized view. There are already witnesses who were doing both bitshares and Steem, even golos and peerplays.. and back then not a word was said. Helpful applications got developed on both though. It appears to be EOS that makes it a big deal..
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@sircork · (edited)
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Actually for nearly a year or more "the bitshares gang" absolutely centralized both chains and we don't want that to continue although in this case, it would be EOS new problem to solve, when a group of cohorts shows up and kicks in what we will generously call "mutual support" over there.

It's not different from coke/pepsi at all. Each chain has investors expecting outcomes and full time application of the groups they invest in. I would not put my money on a team that is not 100% applied where my money is spent.

It's not that it's EOS, persay, as much as insert any major competitor that risks our investors funds due to the conflicts of interests @donkeypong articulated here or that fellow witness @jackmiller also elegantly articulated when I debated @lukestokes on his dual intentions on last Sunday's SoS show either. 

golos and peerplays are actually more like a sister to steem in terms of dev interoperability and shared gains than opposition, things made for them can quickly be used in any of them.

Bitshares, nobody cares much because we all knew it was and is more or less abandonware anymore anyway. Though I do have issues with how the same "club" of people seem to surface on all these chains and suddenly more or less centralize control, but that's of course, just an opinion based on my perception of history, some data and some commonly recurring names.  And as I noted, it's becoming less of an issue as the platform carries on and we educate users more and more, which is working for sure to change the landscape quickly right now. 

Last fall, JerryBanfield published that 27% of the platforms users had voted for a witness, today, lukestokes tracks it and its increasing monthly, to which I credit the 15-20 witness attendance chats held on my network or networks I built in the past running similar shows, and the weekly shows we do which nearly always have a couple to half a dozen witnesses in attendance on air or in the audience fielding questions and educating, and then those people go forth and spread the word in posts. Since we began these active and consistently delivered awareness campaigns, we've seen voter participation increase, awareness of what it means increase, and even better questions about the status quo emerging.

In the end though, back to the topic at hand, my team partner and I work 20+ hours per day EACH and witnesses who are actually active on the platform like @followbtcnews and @crimsonclad and @drakos and others, all tell me they spend similar hours. 

So if we did both? Who would really be well applied at either place? So, you say, hire people like some do here. Well to that i say, okay then Ill vote for the people you hire, not you. Cause what do you do exactly if you farm out your job?
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@geekgirl ·
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I went and listened to the entire 3-4 hour podcast. lol. I heard Luke's answers. While you had legitimate tough questions, I found Luke's responses to be very convincing that there wouldn't be a conflict of interest, at least not on his part. I enjoyed the podcast. It was a healthy and interesting debate/discussion.
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@donkeypong · (edited)
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It doesn't matter if he's convinced himself of that subjectively. In either business or law, when there's even an *appearance* of a potential conflict (even if you think you could do your job well enough), you stay away from putting yourself in a position where people believe that you may be asked to favor one or the other. It's an objective standard and a matter of trust for the community. That's why corporate shareholders, officers, employees, and other stakeholders demand an adherence to that simple code of ethics.
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@lukestokes ·
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I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)
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@sircork ·
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It's a simple matter of time. People don't realize that the witnesses here typically average 10-20 hour workdays applied to the chain. Quite literally. Take out all the conflicts clearly stated on this page, and you still cant divide a human in two or add 24 more hours to a monday.
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@mgood · (edited)
$4.13
@sircork - I agree with your and @donkeypong's sentiment about a witness should be fully into one or the other. Luke said to let the voters decide and I decided. I had voted for Luke as witness and now took that vote away and gave it to you.
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@sircork ·
$0.10
Well that escalated quickly :) Thank you for your support of the team that stands for lifting the voices of the good people of steem in all possible ways!
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@rhondak ·
$4.27
My feelings about this are a bit guarded. This isn't an issue I'm ready to declare war over on any front. However, speaking as an individual and half of the Sircork witness partnership, there isn't a chance I'm headed to EOS. Nothing against EOS. But all of my investment is here--the blood, sweat, and tears of building @thewritersblock into the largest writing-centric community on the blockchain, and future plans for leveraging SMTs to fund the first real-world publishing house backed entirely by crypto. It would be insane for me to jump ship now. I don't know how anyone has enough time and energy to invest equally in both places. Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture yet. But for what it's worth, I'm definitely in agreement with Cork.
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@astralliam ·
@rhondak I'm a fairly new user here. With help of channels like @thewriterblock I've been able to taste the amazing potential of this platform, so thank you for your work there.  There are clearly significant issues with steemit though for the well intentioned but relatively late arrivals to the party. 

Cannot a content & user fork onto the EOS blockchain provide an opportunity to fix some of the issues, while allowing the hard work invested in steemit to carry on and without needing a complete restart on overthere? I'm just speculating, but if a better designed platform was to emerge there and start from scratch, I think many new steemit users might choose to invest their energies there instead rather than to complete here where we can see complete garbage trending at times.

Either way, if steemit is to prosper, we need to improve the user interface and makes sure proven humans and community can triumph over greedy individuals using crude crude gaming the economic system to detriment of all. The ongoing challange of mankind...
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@xeroc ·
This!
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@sirstacksalot ·
$0.89
It seems that "cheerleading" is the only thing that supports the valuations of 98% of the existing crypto-currencies in existence.  

Truth be told, I actually believe that 100% of cryptos (including Bitcoin....blessed be it's name) are all hype driven.
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@donkeypong ·
Haha. You're probably not far off there. Hopefully, we see the crypto money getting a little smarter about which projects actually involve some worthwhile use cases, since we both know that many do not.
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@sistem ·
$0.26
Now you have made such a valid point in this post @donkeypong.  It also baffls me when i see posts proudly cheerleading EOS on steemit and i just turn a blind eye saying "maybe its because the co owner of steemit is tye owner of EOS and so its allowed".  But to be sincere i figured it was wrong. 

Steemit is steemit and anything donw here should be to promot steemit and for the good of steemit. 

I must say i support this movement of yours vehemently as i can see that it is for the good od tye community.  This has to stop and it would take a move in the right direction like yours to stop it

### Thank you...
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@donkeypong ·
If others want to support those posts, they are welcome to do so, but I won't. Thanks for the comment.
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@slavix ·
Bla bla bla. 
I support EOS and Steem. 
Jealous EOS haters wont stop me.
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@sopian12 ·
I am very clouded you, good friend, thank you.
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@stabilowl · (edited)
$0.43
People are entitled to use their SP in their own way,  so It's great that you lay out you ground rules nice and transparent. And I agree that posts that promote EOS in the expense of steemit while earning steemit rewards is completely bullocks and deserves to be downvoted like @ned has been doing. However,  I also believe that EOS and Steem as ecosystem can coexist,  and therefore there are people out there,  witnesses included,  that genuinely wishes both ecosystem will excel together. So I think witnesses should be entitled to do what they want provide that they do not have a conflict of interest,  ie do not do things that make EOS succeed at the expense of steem
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@stabilowl · (edited)
$5.74
Just want to clarify, coming from an investment prospective, the ideal case would be for EOS and Steem to have a relationship similar to Samsung and Apple, with Samsung being EOS and Apple being Steem. While Samsung excel in everything else from fridges to air conditioning to TV,  it still cannot shake the stronghold of the mobile phone market held by Apple.  Similarly it would be a win-win situation for investor who believe in both EOS and Steem is for EOS to succeed in everything else except for the social networking and content sharing space that STEEM dominates.
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@donkeypong · (edited)
Maybe someday they'll find common ground. Even if not, I think they have complementary niches that both can help the world a great deal.
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@steembirds ·
$9.48
>though it may be the first cryptocurrency site I’ve ever read that left me with less confidence after reading the team profiles.

We couldn't agree with that more lol. In fact, we just wrote a song about it. Hope you find it funny!
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@brianphobos ·
$3.31
The @steembirds are epic and will never die!
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@jaybird ·
Well, we are immortalized by the Steem Blockchain 😎
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@dreemit ·
Haha! Awesome guys ;)
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@jaybird ·
😎😎
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@isaria ·
"Oh noooo" was the first thing I thought when I heard about ONO. lol
You guys are awesomely talented and adorable. <3
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@jaybird ·
Hehe, thanks Isaria. Ya it’ll be interesting to see what happens with that in 20hours or so.
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@lunaticpandora · (edited)
$0.04
This is amazing! Uno!? ONO!? oh no lol

I was going to write a comment but this is pretty much /thread at this point lol
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@meno ·
LOL!!! hahahhahahahha on point guys!! !
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@jaybird ·
Thanks bud 😎😎
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@olawalium ·
"What's the essence of us switching sides" i like that; loyalty.

Hahahahahaha funny video and cool song too. Is that the name of a video/card game? Oh no! Hahaha
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@rogueofoz ·
Ha ha ha ha, you guys rock, pun intended, It's great you got inspired and can see humor in this. Thans for sharing your music with us
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@jaybird ·
For sure 😎😎
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@sircork ·
$0.73
I thought I was the only one calling it "Oh No" after they put a completely zero professional experience person in charge of "international operations"
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@donkeypong ·
$0.04
Haha. I wouldn't think of using such a name. It happened to be a complete coincidence that my next sentence began with those words.
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@surfyogi ·
U guys rock and so LOOSE!
I love you guys, rock on.
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@jaybird ·
Heh thx! Glad to hear it 😎
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@thecapetonian ·
hahaha brilliant
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@stever82 ·
Wow I don't follow EOS that close but I have heard a lot about that.  This opened my eyes about somethings thanks
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@subroto ·
Thanks for your information.  thats will helps us.
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@tania12 ·
$0.68
Concerning the Eos and ONOs, I truly have little enthusiasm about them, might be on account of I'm still new to the stage or another reasons. What I know is that, you can choose who and whoever to vote in favor of as long as it doesn't make any symptoms the group. For somebody like you, you are a standout amongst the most experienced steemian on this stage. You have the information and comprehension of what to do, so if your choice is to not upvote eos related posts, you more likely than not had your reasons. A debt of gratitude is in order for the data @donkeypong
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@tesaganewton ·
$0.68
This is a good example for any witness out there, if you are truely for steemit, then it would make more sense doing everything in it's favor. With a monthly pay of $25,000 it's betrayal to just support something else and play a false image on steemit.
Thinking some steemians out there will learn from this post as well.
Such things are confusing new steemit investors who can't decide since our own steemit witnesses can't decide as well.
Thinking steemit has a lot of improvements to consider and we can't take afford to take our focus to something else.
Thanks for this one @donkeypong.. And thanks for the support you give to different communities around the platform.
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@donkeypong ·
I don't think they're playing a false image. These people have been very honest. But the conflict of interest potential is very clear. It's basic Business Ethics. Thanks for your comment.
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@tfame3865 · (edited)
$4.19
This has been my issue some time now till i let it slide because i see it as a waste of time as my complain might not go far or yield any positive interest.

I just cant tell you how steem has been a game changer, after all my years in ponzi and facebook without achieving a dine. Steem came from no where and in less than a year, i am now doing fine. 

Now back to the issue you raising here, i really got pissed off not because they are promoting EOS here but because of the mode they are using. I belong to a group where i saw those you are supporting with upvote criticizing this steem blockchain by comparing it with EOs.

It is good to see competition but with the way some are taking it, it is way  beyond it as i see some person advicing others to dish out steem for EOS. We are so bad, how can we just forgot the game changer, that lovely platform that showed us love, that platform were ideas is shared.

 To me i will stick with steem and continue promoting it the way i could, even though if i am not benefiting from it, because i know it is still far better than those social media that does not in one way give you anything meaningful as reward.

I said to my self, if i have money to possess EOS, there is nothing wrong with it but going forward comparing it with steem or rather use it to talk steem blockchain down is bad @donkeypong

> I should have shared a post long to address it, but felt i wont be heard
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@tfq86 ·
$0.68
it's a long writing about EOS and somthing else. I've read it all but not sure i can understand all. i don't have enough knowledment about Cryptocurrency and something like that. what i can see from this post that you are not agree with EOS and anything relate to it.
May be i'm not deserve to make a comment to your post but you know you are a well known guy in steemit and people try to make a comment so do i. sorry if my words are far away from the topic this because my poor english. 
regard
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@donkeypong ·
Thanks for your comment. I have no problem with EOS and I wish them well. Anything negative I wrote about EOS was just good-natured ribbing. My main point is that I choose not to support that development with my Steem votes, given the potential for competition. Others are welcome to do as they wish.
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@tfq86 ·
thank you @donkeypong i'm so glad for your replay i don't even think you will do it and so sorry for my wrong understanding about your writing like i said, i not so good at english. i will try better next time. thank you
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@thealliance ·
Look into the witnesses associated with #thealliance. They love STEEM and the chain. Also, as for curation initiatives, check into @buddyup, @welcomewagon and @thesteemengine.
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@thecrytotrader ·
$3.97
That's a really great step by you @donkeypong and i myself see so many posts about EOS and why steem stands no chance against EOS, i mean really ??

People of Steemit making bad posts about Steemit itself for getting some extra upvotes from EOS lovers,

It's a good step to stop Upvoting any posts about EOS because we have so much things to share and talk about on Steemit itself then why would we need to talk about any other Cryptocurrency who trying to build a Steemit Killer type Social  media platform,

And we all know steem is the currency who changed life of many Included myself and iam fulli in Support of steem.
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@donkeypong ·
$4.03
Thanks for the comment. Some people seem to think all that glitters is gold, even before it's built and when major questions surround its governance.
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@mlgcrypto ·
$0.03
I already foresee EOS having similar problems to bitcoin, theres way too many people that are heavily invested for consensus on major issues to go well once ideas on how to progress begin to split
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@sircork ·
We've agreed all page long @donkeypong but being completely real, we have some governance issues of our own to sort out...
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@themanualbot ·
$0.68
Many will misinterpret this one, and it shows in the comment section. This is nothing personal. It is all about business ethics and loyalty.

I remember when I asked my teacher in ethics about reproducing patented products you officially design but for another company. She then answered it's not a good act. And she added that it's not an ethical thing to do as a person/worker after I asked why.
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@tsnaks ·
I think i wil be joining you
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@twinner ·
$7.67
Well written, Tom. I also do not support ONO Cheerleaders with votes. In the case of the witnesses I accept that they try to hedge the risk that EOS could kill STEEM. Let's see what happens after the EOS MainNet launch. If well-known STEEM-Witnesses are also successfully EOS BlockProducers, I will drop my vote here. Steem On :-)
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@donkeypong ·
Hey, Twinner. Thanks for the comment. I agree that's probably what they're trying to do now (also they are uncertain whether they will get Block Producer roles over there).
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@villani ·
$0.68
I simply cant disclose to you how steem has been a distinct advantage, after every one of my years in ponzi and facebook without accomplishing a feast. Steem originated from no where and in under a year, I am currently doing fine. Presently back to the issue you raising here, I truly got irritated not on the grounds that they are advancing EOS here but rather on account of the mode they are utilizing. I have a place with a gathering where I saw those you are supporting with upvote reprimanding this steem blockchain by contrasting it and EOs. It regards see rivalry yet with the way some are taking it, it is path past it as I see some individual advicing others to relegate steem for EOS. We are so terrible, in what manner would we be able to simply overlooked the distinct advantage, that stunning stage that demonstrated us adore, that stage were thoughts is shared.
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@wales007 ·
$0.21
Your action and decisions defines who you are , top notch post @donkeypong
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@wandereronwheels ·
>Steem Witnesses should be 100% committed to the Steem ecosystem, not divided in their loyalty, commitment, or fiduciary status

They are nothing short of a chamelion if they are getting paid so much, yet decide to play the double game just for their personal benefits. 
Total respect for you after this post of yours. We need more high influence Steemers following your tracks and get this issue to the forefront. 
While reading the first few lines of this post, I was against your POV as I myself am interested to see what EOS has to offer but you were totally convincing with your next part of the post. 
More Power to you.
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@wishpickup ·
I have read your post . It,s really very good. I hope you will write more good like this for us. Best of luck. Thanks a lot .
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@yasu24 ·
I thought it was an interesting article. I think that this is not a topic in Japan. At least as far as I know.

I resteemed this article.
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@zobayer27 ·
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@zyx066 ·
Thanks @donkeypong, this was a good read from which I learned a lot! Don't know if there's a "side" to be picked here though, at least for me. Both Steem and EOS are worthwhile projects in My opinion and I'm just too new here to really have an opinion on individual witnesses and their activities. I know @sircork is cool dude though ;-)
For now I guess I'll just vote for both! Thanks for the great responses to, @lukestokes; if nothing else, I know a little bit more about witnesses on Steemit.
Thanks to all of you!
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