 I'm a guy with low knowledge of crypto tokenomics and would love if someone can clarify a doubt about HBD. ## The HBD B2B use case I see a lot of excitement in Hive about HBD adoption, HBD B2B, local economies based around HBD, businesses accepting HBD, HBD is trending in some Latin America communities, like the hivesucre community. Looking for the concept I can get also excited, imagine how cool it is after drinking my coffee, pick my mobile phone and pay with HBD, that's it, nothing more, easy and awesome! #### But there is a question that I can't figure all the picture Let's follow the money and look how money flow between B and B (B2B). Unlike Hive, that is available in more than 20 Exchanges, HBD is just present in 2 Exchanges , Upbit and Bittrex. Like that, the HBD I pay for my coffee in great part of the cases came from rewards or internal market. So far so good! The coffee that I drank in the cafeteria and paid for in HBD, was purchased in local currency, and if it was not paid in local currency to the first supplier, it was to the second or third. The base economy will continue to be based in fiat. So what's happening right now and it's easy to see on more than 60 or 70 local businesses already in Hive? **I pay in HBD, local store convert HBD to Hive, send to Exchange to buy fiat.** Besides being fantastic to pay for a coffee with your mobile phone and create sell pressure on Hive, so far there is maybe 1000 or 2000 Hive monthly involved in all existing businesses, don't know, but let's be positive imagine the grow and adoption and multiple this value by 100 or 1000 or whatever you want to be positive, now imagine the Hive sell pressure. #### My question Besides this 2 aspect (how cool is pay a coffee with mobile phone and Hive sell pressure), what is in your opinion the great thing about HBD B2B? If you don't mind I will mention @dalz @taskmaster4450 @edicted @khaleelkazi @geekgirl @edmundochauran **At first view and with my low knowledge in crypto tokenomics I see this sell pressure negative to Hive price.** <center>  # Thanks for following me! </center>
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jnmarteau | 0 | 756,565,505 | 2% | ||
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oont | 0 | 507,040,148 | 50% | ||
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Thought about this too but I think I’m also not versed on how the process works. I think we’ll have to see what the experts can say about it. My take is that exposure would foster growth in another aspect, if the buy pressure is higher than the sell pressure then that’s a good thing because the good outweighs the bad. Also I think some of those businesses are also saving HBD as a way to protect value. But I might be wrong. People like Dalz and Theycallmedan would have insight on this matter. Let’s hope they see this.
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Thanks for your reply! As far as I can see in practice, at least right now, there is no HBD saving, at least great part is internally converting to Hive and send to Exchanges.
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I am not an expert, but I understand it in that there is demand for HBD in exchange for these goods and then although they may sell some for Hive/Fiat. This will encourage people to hold Hive/HBD in order to store value and buy goods completing the economy and closing the circle.
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Hum.. I don't see any related HBD demand on exchanges. What I see, for now, is HBD end in fiat, creating pressure on Hive sell. That's because I would like to understand the real benefits of business HBD adoption, at least at this moment and how the things work in real right now.
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Well as most Hive/HBD is exchanged on the internal market, you would see the exchanges there. Therefore you would possibly see buying demand on exchanges /curation to exchange for these goods. But lets be frank here, HBD is a great product, but it has failed, there is no adoption and the interest created by it is causing a huge selling pressure on Hive more than any economic benefits at the moment because HBD interest is hypothecated from nothing and backed by Hive holders.
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