Say what? You didn't even start to read the article and I can feel your mind spinning. I confess mine was too, when I read about this new thing, but every time this happens, I know I'm in for something great, as long as I can keep my mind on it. So, let's take things one at a time. Bitcoin can't have smart contracts, right? This is Ethereum realm. Well, kinda wrong. Bitcoin can have smart contracts, only they are smaller and limited. A regular transaction is a smart contract, if you want: funds are getting from one account to another only if certain conditions are met: real in and out addresses, correct private key and signature, etc. What Ethereum did was to create a much richer context and more complex contracts. But this came at a cost: the contracts must be executed network-wide, by all nodes, if we want to keep the "immutability" part of the blockchain. Usually, this means a lot of resources. But what if we can find a way to execute smart contracts in a reliable way, _without storing them in the blockchain_? In other words, how can we keep in the blockchain only the results of a transaction, but be 100% sure that the contract executed correctly, even if we have no idea about what the contract was about, who were the parts and so on? Introducing Scriptless Scripts. It's something called "zero-knowledge proof" and it's based on a cryptographic "magic" that can prove with absolute certainty that _something_ happened, without revealing _who and what_. It is way too complicated to put it all here (and, although I _think_ I understood what's all about, I doubt that it's of interest right now, it's way too theoretical). But it's important as a potential scenario, one in which we can create more complex applications on top of the current Bitcoin network, using just mathematical advancements and cleverly applied cryptography. In this scenario, the blockchain won't be clogged with extra data, there won't be any more complexities involved and the variety of apps that can be built is limitless. I learned all this form a presentation from Andrew Poelstra, from a talk he gave at the Scaling Bitcoin event held by Stanford. If you really are curious about it and have an hour and a half to spend listening about complex mathematical approaches, Schnorr signatures and applied cryptography, by all means, look at the [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pd6xHjLbhs&feature=youtu.be&t=1h35m58s). *** _I'm a serial entrepreneur, blogger and ultrarunner. You can find me mainly on my blog at [Dragos Roua](http://dragosroua.com) where I write about productivity, business, relationships and running. Here on Steemit you may stay updated by following me @dragosroua._ <center> </center> *** <center>_You can also vote for me as witness here: https://steemit.com/~witnesses_</center> *** _If you're new to Steemit, you may find these articles relevant (that's also part of my witness activity to support new members of the platform)_: * [Rewards: Were Does The Money Come From?](https://steemit.com/steemit/@dragosroua/steemit-newbie-faq-rewards-were-does-the-money-come-from) * [Netiquette: How To Avoid Being A Steem Douche?](https://steemit.com/steem/@dragosroua/steemit-newbie-faq-netiquette-how-to-avoid-being-a-steem-douche) * [Witnesses: What Are They And Why Should You Care?](https://steemit.com/steemit/@dragosroua/steemit-newbie-faq-witnesses-what-are-they-and-why-should-you-care) * [How Can I Mine Steem And What CPU / GPU Power Do I Need For That?](https://steemit.com/steemit/@dragosroua/steemit-newbie-faq-how-can-i-mine-steem-and-what-cpu-gpu-power-do-i-need-for-that) * [The Beginner Guide To Not Getting Hacked On Steemit](https://steemit.com/steemit/@dragosroua/the-beginner-guide-to-not-getting-hacked-on-steemit)
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permlink | smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain |
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I always have impression that smart contract kills value of a coin or token. Do you have contrary opinion?
author | autofreak |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t160132844z |
category | bitcoin |
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On the contrary. Smart contracts are augmenting a token, _if_ they are useful and, most important, secure. Ethereum grew 48x in one year _because_ of smart contracts.
author | dragosroua |
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permlink | re-autofreak-re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t160611502z |
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Since this theory holds true, most likely, steem will increase in value when **SMT** is launched.
author | autofreak |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-re-autofreak-re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t160943887z |
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Good article to read @dragosroua
author | bitcoinist |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t154549735z |
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For me it seems like bitcoin it a bit of an old dog that won't be able to learn this new trick, but maybe steem could?
author | calatorulmiop |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t153735051z |
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If STEEM would implement this level of privacy, it would be yuge :)
author | dragosroua |
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permlink | re-calatorulmiop-re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t165402790z |
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zk-snarks for the win! Hopefully the BTC Core team gets their shit together in 2018 and does something to improve the issues that Bitcoin has...
author | cryptostache |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t155520003z |
category | bitcoin |
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Would Ethereum be able to apply something like this as well to help with scaling?
author | gniksivart |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t161256841z |
category | bitcoin |
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I think yes. Ethereum has a virtual machine with more than 100 opcodes, which is already requiring a lot of resources. Hopefully, once they will complete their transition to PoS, with Casper, they will be able to introduce "zero knowledge proofs" too.
author | dragosroua |
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permlink | re-gniksivart-re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t161803923z |
category | bitcoin |
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magic, I might dabble a bit in that video link :D in theory it sounds nice, although I'm not a programmer and can't code for squat I do know the theory, so as one it sounds like the best of both worlds, that would be some heavy code however, they would need their own network of whatever kind to do their smart contracting, will that increase bitcoin transaction fees? :D I don't get what the reason for using bitcoin would be, apart from "secure" hummmm maybe it could just make wallets for contracts, needs a better messaging system, still I'm not sure where I'm going with this, my theory ... is weak how about EOS, what's your 2 cents on it, I think they released some code and opened to developers or testing at least
author | j3dy |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t155726494z |
category | bitcoin |
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> how about EOS, what's your 2 cents on it As a constant user of all @dan projects, Bitshares and Steem (well, maybe except PeerPlays) I keep an attentive eye on it. All his projects had a "spark".
author | dragosroua |
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category | bitcoin |
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So interessing witness thank you so much for sharing
author | machhour |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t154539677z |
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I thought bitcoin could already run eth smart contracts= https://news.bitcoin.com/counterparty-bitcoin-smart-contracts/ Another idea is using a side chain is rsk labs = https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-ethereum-rsk-launch/ Also can you do a comparison between the two to see which one is better?
author | sames |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t203711519z |
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Is the lightning network an example of such a smart contract built on top of Bitcoin?
author | yabapmatt |
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permlink | re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t154637228z |
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Nope. It's something completely different. Lightning Network can be seen as an off-chain smart contract, but it will still need to store visible data about the contract. AFAIK, it opens a channel between the sender and receiver, which works off-chain, thus being faster and cheaper. What Scriptless Script do, if I understand this correctly, is allowing third-party apps to write trustable smart contracts without storing data on the blockchain directly. This [article](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/scriptless-scripts-how-bitcoin-can-support-smart-contracts-without-smart-contracts/), which also sparked my interest in this, can shed more light on this matter.
author | dragosroua |
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permlink | re-yabapmatt-re-dragosroua-smart-contracts-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-yes-as-long-as-they-are-outside-of-the-blockchain-20171129t155012880z |
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Thanks! Too much to learn and not enough time!
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