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A tech-geek look at immigration... DDOS attacks possible by dwinblood

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A tech-geek look at immigration... DDOS attacks possible
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People at work were sharing the memes that "resonated" with them this morning and mostly they involved immigration.    They were appropriately damning such as.

"*All Lives Matter, now stay the hell out of my country.*"

This made me think of the issue of immigration from a tech point of view.

I responded saying "*You need some kind of DDOS protection*."

For those of you that may not be familiar with the term, it is probably the most common form of attack on the internet to temporarily cripple parts of the internet, or slow it to a crawl.

DDOS = Distributed Denial Of Service attack.

It works by having as many computers and devices as you can get attempt to access a site at the same time.    Most internet circuits and the servers are designed to handle a certain amount of traffic.   The more you want to handle, the more expensive it is.

So businesses/governments/universities will usually make a projection on what they believe the maximum they need is.   They will purchase servers, and internet circuits with that in mind.

DDOS attacks are essentially far more traffic suddenly going to that circuit and server than it was designed to handle.

The server and circuit do not stop, but they are so over loaded that everything slows WAY down.    If the load is high enough it can actually appear to be stopped.    In some sense it will be perceived by legit users as being DOWN because their computer will see such a delay in response it will do what is called a TIMEOUT and will indicate failure to connect.

<h2>So what does this have to do with immigration?</h2>
You have a nation with a certain amount of resources, a certain amount of jobs, a certain amount of homes, a certain amount of hospitals, a certain amount of schools, etc.    Making more of those things is not FREE.   In the case of resources it may also not be possible.    Now if you already have unemployment, and homeless populations then it is likely that is an indicator there are already more people not getting service.    There are cases where that is self imposed, but that is not always the case.

The government set immigration amounts on the U.S. long ago based upon studies of what our infrastructure could handle based upon births, deaths, etc.   This was not done to be mean, or a nasty person.   This was done because, it is REAL.   It isn't ***magical thinking*** land where we CAN welcome everyone without having a problem.

What you can end up with is something similar to a DDOS in a computer.    If you have more people coming in than the infrastructure can handle then you will increase the number of legit people that cannot get service.

In computers we block IPs, contact upstream carriers to route traffic around, hire DDOS mitigation services, etc.    These things are not perfect.

In the real world we deport people when they come in illegally beyond that quota that our infrastructure can handle.   To do anything less is utter stupidity.     Because, you feel bad about sending someone who came here illegally does not suddenly ***magically*** make more resources, jobs, homes, hospitals, etc appear out of thin air.

At some point you realistically realize that we can only do so much.    The other alternative is to tell people that are LEGALLY trying to immigrate here that they cannot, because we gave their spot to an illegal immigrant.    At which case that'd inspire a lot of people and the floodgates would open.    Why legally immigrate here if you can illegally immigrate and get away with it?
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@full-steem-ahead ·
Excellent analogy! I think that is the most detached and rational perspective I've seen on this topic.
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@lennstar ·
> You have a nation with a certain amount of resources, a certain amount of jobs, a certain amount of homes, a certain amount of hospitals, a certain amount of schools, etc.

Everything of that is wrong, except the first in some parts. Everything else is something that can be changed. Quite fast, if you really want to. 

> The government set immigration amounts on the U.S. long ago based upon studies of what our infrastructure could handle based upon births, deaths, etc. This was not done to be mean, or a nasty person. This was done because, it is REAL. It isn't magical thinking land where we CAN welcome everyone without having a problem.

"without having problems"
I think that is the point, right?
Somewhere when there is more then a bit of background noise immigration you actually have to adjust a few things to it. You can call it life - or you can call it problem. 
So here is the problem. 

If a poor country can somehow manage to support 50% of their inhabitants coming as refugees, then the Mightiest and Richest Country in the World should be able to handle 1/100th of that, 0,5% additional immigration.
Especially when it is responsible for a sizeable chunk of it.
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@dwinblood ·
Let me simplify it...

If your nation is a RAFT then the buoyancy of that raft can only hold so many people regardless of GOOD intentions.   If you ignore that buoyancy and permit anyone on because you feel guilty of leaving them off then eventually it WILL sink.   That cannot be avoided.

However, if you study births, deaths, resources, etc you essentially can treat deaths as people getting off of the raft.   Births would be people getting on the raft.   Resources would be changes to either increase or decrease the size/buoyancy of the raft depending upon changes in resources.    You can then determine a realistic amount of people that you can bring onto the raft without sinking it.

THIS is the purpose of limiting immigration to a finite amount each year.   This is the LEGAL immigration.

The problem is that people react to GUILT and their desire to save anyone without stopping to think if the raft can carry everyone or not.

So setting limits does not mean the person has no compassion.   It does not mean the person is selfish or uncaring.

It may simply be that the person realizes that allowing everyone that wants onto the raft at once without any kind of controls is a recipe for disaster.

How rich a country appears in FIAT money does not necessarily reflect it's infrastructure, how many jobs it has, etc.    In fact that ILLUSION could be what drives people onto the raft when it pops... and things get bad.

Truth does not care if we are comfortable or uncomfortable.

Reality does not care if we wish it were otherwise.
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@lennstar ·
That analogy is quite off. For example you cannot build more schools on  the raft, but you can in the US. 
Anyway...

If I look at pictures from the US it loos like f****** nearly everyone drives SUV or even Pickups and drives even if it is just a mile (or less) down the town street. 
With that clown car behavior alone you could feed and house and school and healthcare a few million people if you would just use a slightly less ridiculous car and a drive a bit more healthy, meaning less, and walk that mile. 

So no, I cannot accept that "determine a realistic amount of people" because that amount is again based on things that are easily changeable - if you were just willing to get up out of your cushion a little bit. And create infrastructure instead of clown cars for example.
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