Steemit User's Biggest Security Flaw On Comments by ebonsi

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technology · @ebonsi · Nov 7 '16 (edited)

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Steemit User's Biggest Security Flaw On Comments

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<h3><em><strong>I was asked by a friend (Francisco Sand) to write on this issue. We are both new on Steemit but by using the network, we already spot a user failure on the software interface.</strong></em></h3>
<p>https://i.imgsafe.org/eae05f0078.png</p>
<p>If Steemit is serious about the good functioning of the community and aspires to attract serious and sane debates to the conversation, the developers need to fix this security flaw. Besides, after resolving this issue, will take the weight off - of the people that manage the user's posting on the network.</p>
<p>The security flaw is the same flaw found on networks like "<strong>Nextdoor</strong>", <strong>Twitter</strong> and many others I spotted on the internet.</p>
<p>The security flaw has to do with the user's comment on the post. At this point, many networks need to learn a lesson from Facebook. The lesson on user's security is that the person that "Submit a Story" must have all the permissions and rights to their post. That means, if a person post something on Steemit and a jerk or a troll comes along and make a stupid comment on the post, the owner of the post have the right and decide if he/she will leave the comment or delete the offending comment. That is the best way to resolve the incidents of "trolls/jerks" and their non sense comments.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The "flag" feature still can be used for serious threats or things that require a more strong intervention from the community.</p>
<p><em><strong>Should I repeat this? Ok, one more time;</strong></em></p>
<p>The person that post or "submit a story" must have total control of his post. He/She must have control of:</p>
<p>1. Editing the post &nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;-- Already there</p>
<h2>2. Deleting comments &lt;-- <strong>Needs to be implemented urgent!</strong></h2>
<p>3. Sharing the post &nbsp;&lt;-- Already there</p>
<p>4. Deleting the entire post &lt;-- Already there</p>
<p><em>I hope this post will be clear enough to start this process. I will also suggest this on Github;</em></p>
<p><em>https://github.com&nbsp;</em></p>
<p><em><strong>Foot Credit:</strong></em></p>
<p><em>Sketch of how this image illustration was created?</em></p>
<p><em>https://i.imgsafe.org/eba225535e.png</em></p>
<p><em>Who is hosting our images?</em></p>
<p><em>Image Safe</em></p>
<p><em>https://i.imgsafe.org/</em></p>
<p><em>Who helped with free images and ideas;</em></p>
<p><em>PixaBay</em></p>
<p><em>https://pixabay.com</em></p>
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@cyrano · Nov 7 '16

I don't see how that's a security flaw.

Steemit is about freedom of expression, IMO. That includes comments on other people's posts. While the ability to "delete" posts (note that you cannot really delete anything from the blockchain anyway)  might seem desirable as a means to handle the troll problem, if it exists, this is essentially a means for censorship.

The best defense against a troll is to ignore it. If you try to silence it it will only come back with a vengeance.
The best defense against a stupid comment is a better argument.

Censorship is unnecessary and counterproductive.

👍 cyrano, steemtruth

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@ebonsi · Nov 7 '16

I don't see how that could be a censorship! Censorship is deleting a story that someone posts here! Censorship is to delete or block someone's account, censorship is to stop a person from expressing themselves through a story. You are elevating people's comments to a degree of extreme importance. Even more important than the story. The true fact is who post or write a story becomes the moderator of the story. It is only right! After all, it is his/her story. If you think the story is a fraud, a plagiarism, go ahead and flag the story!

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@walden · Nov 7 '16

Eduardo, no tenes ni la mas minima idea de lo que hablas.
A comment has the same intrinsic freedom of expression than a post.

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2 replies

@gduran · Nov 7 '16

$0.03

Wouldn't that just give me the chance to delete any opinions contrary to mine?

👍 anyx, steemtruth

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@ebonsi · Nov 7 '16

That is a decision for the post owner to take! I never deleted comments contrary to mine but I have deleted comments from "jerks", "spoofers" and "trolls."

👍 canadian-coconut

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@dantheman · Nov 7 '16

Except that abusers could delete comments that bring valid info to the fraud.

👍 anyx, ausbitbank, walden, krystle, jasen.g1311, christoph3, steemleak, steemtruth

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@onthewayout · Nov 7 '16

I am not sure if you have noticed but you seldom see trolls around steemit. The reason being that once they are identified they usually get downvoted/flagged to oblivion by the community and their posts or comments become less visible.

You also need to consider that all posts and comments are recorded in the blockchain (which no one owns). Once there, nothing can be deleted. It might not be visible in the website but you can see them using other tools or interfaces.

So once a piece of data is recorded in the blockchain it becomes inmutable and is recorded for posterity (unless if you are referring to Ethereum ;)

👍 avy

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@ebonsi · Nov 7 '16 (edited)

Your observation that there are not trolls on steemit is not valid. Is my actions step by step will be in the logs, sure! Each action has been recorded. But that is not what is in question here! Suppose I create a story or submit a story. Then, a troll come along and makes a nonsense comment spoofing the story. I can just delete the entire story and post again. Not very practicable but effective. However, trolls do not give up that easy! They have nothing to do and they like to hang around obstructing the post! People do not feel very motivated to comment or participate in a post that has been trolled. Have the ability to remove the troll is a right that must be given to the post owner.

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@onthewayout · Nov 8 '16 (edited)

I never said that there aren't any trolls in Steemit.  I said that you seldom find trolls which is not the same. What you are asking for cannot be done on a blockchain as there is no central point of control (that's what makes it censor resistent). If you could do that then it would not be a blockchain it would just a be centralized database.

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@pfunk · Nov 7 '16

Thanks for your concern but I don't see this happening and wouldn't want to see it happening. Feel free to stay on Facebook.

👍 pfunk, walden

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@ebonsi · Nov 7 '16

Like I said in the other comment, That is why you have the flag feature! I am beginning to think here that the intentions are others ones besides this type of fraud. Example, I wouldn't delete your comment, even thou is irrelevant, meaning that is worth "zero" because it does not put an "iota" to the discussion. It only shows your imperial wishes!

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@pfunk · Nov 8 '16 (edited)

k. You've been here for a week. Check it out a bit more.

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@walden · Nov 7 '16

Yes, by all means, if you like Facebook more, please stay there....

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@samupaha · Nov 7 '16 (edited)

It's a feature, not a security flaw. Blockchain based platform is censorship resistant so you can't delete anything that other users have written.

In the future there will be other user interfaces to the blockchain (besides Steemit). Probably some of those will have a feature that gives rights to users to hide comments that they don't like.

Edit: Actually there is one way how this can be implemented without breaking anything or taking away essential features from the blockchain: https://steemit.com/steem-ideas/@samupaha/feature-proposal-ownable-tags

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