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Open Mithril Development Framework Proposal by ecoinstant

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Open Mithril Development Framework Proposal


With a combined 15 years of experience working and building on HIVE, and over 35 years experience using Free and Open Source principles, including developing tools and software; @ecoinstant and @thecrazygm are a dream team of skill sets for developing on HIVE. 


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## Executive Summary
@Open.Mithril development team will integrate three strategic initiatives to strengthen the HIVE blockchain ecosystem: a modular open-source development framework, critical library maintenance, and targeted community engagement. Our "HIVE as a Service" approach delivers component-based microservices following successful business models like RedHat, with an innovative feedback system ensuring development directly addresses user needs.

To establish a reliable foundation, we will fork, rebrand, and actively maintain the essential beem library —critical infrastructure whose original maintenance has declined. These stabilized libraries will serve as dependable building blocks for the entire HIVE development ecosystem, seamlessly integrating with our broader framework initiatives.

Our [Deep Web3 Secrets podcast](https://www.youtube.com/@DeepWeb3Secrets) will drive community engagement and marketing by conducting candid interviews with project leaders and prominent Web3 ecosystem users. This outreach bridges previously disconnected builders, fostering collaboration while increasing awareness of our, and all,  development tools and services on HIVE. Together, these initiatives create a comprehensive approach to nurturing HIVE's growth through robust infrastructure, developer empowerment, and community building.

## [Explain it to me Simpler, Please](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/explain-it-to-me-simpler-part-1)

## Specific Modules - for task lists see [this post]()

## 1. Beem
## 2. Mithril's FiscalForge
## 3. Auto-badger community tools

Note: yourFrontend has been removed.  As its already "done", there is no reason to include.


***

## Project Overview
#### Problem Statement
- Many “people would like” to build on HIVE, but this can mean many things
- Currently, development on HIVE often involves building many bespoke tools from scratch, causing redundant work and slower time-to-market for new projects.
- While anyone can make a badge or start a community on HIVE, these “micro” projects often have limited support resources for even simple automation or tools.  Not every project includes a “developer”.
- Both technical and non-technical users (businesses) can benefit from Redhat-style open-source microservices.
- Critical libraries are experiencing the same bespoke forking.
- Decentralized development teams create echo-chambers where few users can understand the full picture of what is possible on HIVE. 




#### Proposed Solutions
- Continue our for-profit Redhat-for-Hive roadmap
- Advance a modular development framework for different classes of uses of HIVE.
- Integrate open-source repositories of reusable modules for common HIVE uses. 
- Continue to implement an iterative development cycle that incorporates real client feedback at regular intervals 
- Provide documentation and examples to lower the barrier for new HIVE users and developers.
- Talk openly and honestly in a podcast style way with open source leaders, without resorting to “marketing” speak. 

## Technical Specification
#### Technology Stack
- Standalone Tools HTML/CSS/JS with Python backend.
- HAF integration
- Fork Beem and Maintain Nectar library
- GitHub for version control, ci/cd and public contributions 
- For UI deliverables, Modern front-end frameworks like React and Dependency Management tools
- HIVE-powered B2B microservices for rapid testing.
- Monthly and Bi-Monthly HIVE posts for community feedback



## Team
- Project Manager - @ecoinstant : https://github.com/AlexTrapp
- Lead Developer - @thecrazygm : https://github.com/TheCrazyGM

#### Support Staff
- Front-End - @mirafun : https://github.com/remirafun
- Advisor, Full-Stack - @spiritsurge : https://surgentgaming.com
- Quantitative Analyst - @josephsavage : https://www.hivesbi.com
- Advisor, Promotion - @hivetrending : https://hive.pizza
- Advisor, Marketing - @btcsphere : https://btcsphere.com
- Orator, Co-host - @alohaed : https://x.com/GentlemanRural

#### A note on Project Management:

Project management is the backbone of successful software development, connecting vision to execution. Skilled project managers create clarity amid complexity, ensuring contributors align toward common goals. They facilitate critical communication across teams and stakeholders, establish clear priorities that focus efforts on high-impact work, and enable integration of disparate components into cohesive systems. Without this orchestration, even talented developers struggle with fragmentation and solutions that fail to meet user needs—project management is essential to transforming technical potential into real-world impact. 

## Budget Request
#### Total Request: $99,000 HBD
@Open.Mithril will keep budget in savings account, use verbose memos for every transaction.  Both @ecoinstant and @thecrazygm have keys, and live on separate continents to mitigate risk.

#### Value Proposition: "One Salary, Multiplied Impact"
While our budget request represents the equivalent of (less than) one traditional developer salary, our modular development model, our deep bench of support network allies,  and established workflow will deliver exponentially greater value to the HIVE ecosystem. Our previous self-funded work demonstrates our ability to efficiently create and deploy multiple tools simultaneously, while efficiently making use of multiple skill sets.

## Budget Allocation
Total Request: $99,000 HBD : kept in savings account @open.mithril for easy accounting.

#### Development Team Salaries (78.8%): $78,000 HBD
- $3,250 / month for @thecrazygm: liberate from part-time labor = $39,000
- $3,250 / month for @ecoinstant: mitigate stake loss for project investment = $39,000

Partially these salaries may be reinvested into our company for present and future capacity.

#### Operating Expenses (21.2%): $21,000
- Support Staff skills ~916/mo = $11,000
- Server hosting ~250/mo = $3,000
- Paid Tools ~250/mo = $3,000
- Miscellaneous / Unforseen / Risk Mitigation = $4,000
 
Current Tools we are paying for:
GM: Exafunction / Codeium pro, OpenAI, Anthropic
Additional pay for use apis as needed.
Eco: Claude, github pro, Canva

We run 5 servers currently of varying sizes through Digital Ocean currently, spread out across the world. 

#### Marketing & Community Outreach (0%)
- Outreach activities are already underway in the most cost effective manner - FREE!
- Creation of tutorials and demonstration videos
- Strategic partnerships with other HIVE projects = Priceless

Our budget allocation ensures dedication, operational sustainability as well as increased assistance with several tools, increases our ability to recognize the hard work of several skilled members of our support network - all while maintaining our commitment to the HIVE ecosystem!  The marketing component will help drive awareness and adoption of our tools and expand the types of users able to quickly try and test with “HIVE as a Service” modules.

#### Additional Value Factors
- All code will be open-source, creating lasting community assets.
- Modular approach ensures no single point of failure.
- Team's established workflow maximizes efficiency.
- Previous deliverables demonstrate our capability to execute.
- Real B2B client feedback loop ensures practical, market-ready solutions.

## Timeline
#### Work Already Completed (Past 2 Months - Self-Funded)
- Developed and released [7 free HIVE tools](https://thecrazygm.com/hivetools) for the community 
- Created 4 premium B2B microservices, releasing so far 2 [publically](https://thecrazygm.com/premium/) - including [yourFrontend](https://peakd.com/@ecoinstant/you-can-have-your-frontend), in [beta testing](https://content.hivesbi.com) and currently in use by clients such as @steembasicincome who [requested](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@sbi-tokens/re-ecoinstant-sr6hjs) this [site](https://content.hivesbi.com).
- Designed and implemented an enhanced DHF view portal (https://dhf.thecrazygm.com) 
- Published 8 "Is This Worth Money?" framework posts detailing development progress 
- Released several standalone delivery posts documenting completed work.

#### Is this worth Money?
[Is this worth money?](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money)
[Is this worth Money? #2 : More free HiveTools for you!](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-2--more-free-hivetools-for-you)
[Is this worth money? #3: Standalone Memo DeEncrypter](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-3-standalone-memo-deencrypter)
[Is this worth money? #4: Unlock your HIVE blog with BACKLINKS](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-4-unlock-your-hive-blog-with-backlinks)
[Is this worth money? #5: Two corporate websites](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-5-two-corporate-websites)
[Is this worth money? #6: Tag Engagement Chaser - T.E.C.](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-6-tag-engagement-chaser-tec)
[Is this worth money?  #7: Market Viewer](/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-7-market-viewer)
[Is this worth money #8: HIVE memories](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/is-this-worth-money-8-hive-memories)

#### Standalone Deliveries:
[TipJar: One-click Blockchain Payment Requests on HIVE](/@ecoinstant/tipjar-one-click-blockchain-payment-requests-on-hive)
[dCity mobile first market webapp](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/dcity-mobile-market-is-open-for-business)
[Private WhisperBox for HIVE - free for limited time!](/@ecoinstant/private-whisperbox-for-hive-free-for-limited-time)
[Let's learn about governance - new "View" of DHF](/@ecoinstant/lets-learn-about-governance-new-view-of-dhf)
[Your Frontend](https://peakd.com/@ecoinstant/you-can-have-your-frontend)

#### Going Open Source:
[Standalone Delegator](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@ecoinstant/open-source-hivetools-you-can-use-or-contribute)
[Authority Management Tool](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@ecoinstant/open-source-authority-management-tool)
[Integrating Sting Chat](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@ecoinstant/integrating-sting-chat-into-dcity-mobilemarket-app) (won open genie bounty from @peak.open)
[Edit Patch Viewer](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/standalone-post-edit-patch-viewer-tool-going-open-source)
[H-E Market Viewer Repository](https://github.com/TheCrazyGM/market-viewr)
[Hive Tools Repository](https://github.com/TheCrazyGM/hivetools)


## Selected Testimonials:

#### @friendlymoose:
>I was looking for an easy way for Hivers to make a delegation of their choice to my project on Hive. Delegating stake within the Hive interfaces is not very intuitive. You need a couple of clicks. 
There is an alternative; hivesigner, but the downside of that is that you have to configure the amount in the link you’re sharing. People don’t have the ability to adjust the amount. 
When I was in the PeakD Support channel to ask if they could simplify the delegation process Eco reacted. We had a discussion about the specifications and he was going to discuss it with his developer. 
Within 5 hours there was a reaction from him in the chat with a link to a fully working tool. 

>I was really baffled that he managed to create this in such a short amount of time.


<center>![testimonialScreenShotFriendlyMoose.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tGZmxW4cM3s1Lj8rQr28RpJ48mJQFpw1FRJF1MxzyUtx3mXWao4CEj1FNFYBJG2VLeQ.png)</center>

>The tool works as a charm and safely too with the Keychain integration. They even made an adjustment on my request so I could create a link to a pre-filled delegation page. 
I’m using the link in my blogpost to get delegations for [my project](https://peakd.com/hive/@topcomment/support-topcomment-a-delegation-and-earn-80percent-curation-rewards) @topcomment 

#### @hurtlocker:
>Eco and his team are very easy to work with and are very reasonably priced. What he helped me with was done on time and completed as requested. I was very happy that my project was done on time and there was no scope creep.

#### Even more:

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tRtg41PZg9PmLjmtd1LEtSs6xUq45ywxgDgsafAA8cwNBwJxiqvphxHAFF4bbi8KG4A.png)



## Development into the Future:
- Free Tools:  Continue to use the community priority list for free tools
- Premium Tools:  Continue to offer and look to offer inexpensive “HIVE as a Service” B2B microservices for users who do not want to run their own code, or look to test features to decide about running their own code.  
- Work to Redhat the open source deliveries of other teams on HIVE, such as breakaway communities and myCommunity.  
- Connect with builders: Continue as a priority to connect into or with other builders around HIVE and integrate where possible both code and community - such as @peak.open and OpenGenie. 
- Continue to implement feedback from active users and optimize or enhance existing tools UX
- Fork Beem and Maintain “Nectar” for the HIVE community of python users.
- Communication: Continue to interview every project and builder on HIVE for open and honest podcast style interviews.

#### ART: Accountability, Reporting, and Transparency
- Twice Monthly posts for transparency.
- Monthly "State of the A.R.T." AMA style podcast
- Continuous releases of modules and QoL improvements based on user feedback.
- Quarterly review of usage metrics to prioritize development efforts.
- Open to a supervisory committee to gauge the effectiveness of the work

## Success Metrics
#### Established Baseline (Current Achievements)
- 8 free tools with documented community adoption and feedback 
- 4 B2B microservices generating real-world usage data 
- DHF view portal with measurable user engagement 
- Community response to "Is This Worth Money?" posts, deliveries.

#### Forward-Looking Metrics
- Increase in user adoption across existing tools
- 3 very specific modules - Beem, Auto-Bager and Mithril's FiscalForge.
- Integration of TheCrazyGm's HiveTools into Awesome-HIVE repo, and increase in collaborations with existing HIVE projects
- Establishment of new B2B partnerships leveraging our microservices 

## Long-Term Impact Assessment
#### Creation of a sustainable development model that can be measured by: 
- Number of contributors actively contributing to the ecosystem 
- Time-to-market reduction for new HIVE projects and communities
- Technical debt reduction in HIVE libraries (focus: beem>hive-nectar)
- Increased podcast spaces for open AMAs and discussions between groups of users on different topics related to active interest and development.
- Client feedback from users and businesses using our B2B services and participating in our open feedback loop on posts.

## Risk Assessment & Mitigation Strategies
#### Technical Risks
**Risk**: Declining maintenance of dependencies outside our control
**Mitigation**: Our plan to fork and maintain critical libraries like beem addresses this directly. We'll implement a comprehensive testing framework to quickly identify and resolve integration issues with upstream dependencies.

**Risk**: Scope creep leading to delayed deliverables
**Mitigation**: We'll implement a strict modular approach with clearly defined boundaries for each component. Our established bi-monthly feedback cycle creates natural checkpoints to reassess priorities and maintain focus.


#### Financial Risks
**Risk**: Uncertainty regarding funding
**Mitigation**: Our Flash-grant proposal model let's us know exactly how much money HIVE is willing to entrust to us.  Whatever the amount, we'll establish public quarterly budget reviews to adjust spending patterns if necessary without compromising core deliverables.

**Risk**: Unexpected development costs
**Mitigation**: Our "miscellaneous" budget component provides a buffer. Additionally, our modular approach allows us to pause or scale back specific components if necessary while still delivering core functionality.

#### Operational Risks
**Risk**: Team bandwidth limitations
**Mitigation**: Our support network creates redundancy in key skill areas. We'll implement a prioritization framework that ensures critical path items receive appropriate resources, with clear documentation enabling seamless handoffs between team members.

**Risk**: Community adoption barriers
**Mitigation**: The podcast and community engagement components specifically address this by creating direct feedback channels. Additionally, our B2B services create real-world validation of concepts before wider rollout.

#### Strategic Risks
**Risk**: Misalignment with broader HIVE ecosystem direction
**Mitigation**: Regular engagement with governance discussions and key stakeholders through our podcast and community outreach. We'll maintain flexibility in our modular roadmap in order to pivot based on ecosystem shifts.

**Risk**: Competitive overlap with other funded projects
**Mitigation**: Focus on collaboration rather than competition through our open-source approach. We'll actively seek integration opportunities with complementary projects to maximize ecosystem value.


#### Continuity Planning
Should any significant risks materialize, our modular approach ensures that individual components remain valuable to the community even if the broader framework faces challenges. All code will be publicly maintained with comprehensive documentation to enable community continuation regardless of funding status.


## Ask Us Anything Show!



## Conclusion
Open Mithril's modular development framework will work to develop a new model of how new development teams and projects build on HIVE, reducing redundant work and accelerating innovation. By embracing open-source principles and continuous client feedback, we'll ensure the framework addresses real needs while fostering a more collaborative development ecosystem. We use the same values in our communication, using the podcast principle.  We request your support to bring this efficiency-enhancing framework to the HIVE community.

We did our first AMA - Its Amazing, I think, so give it a listen.  If you are an audio learner, and don't connect here, you won't like the proposal, its okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tKIhR8rOAo




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@achim03 ·
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I have read the proposal several times and I really struggle to understand what you are exactly planning to do. I'm not a developer but few are on hive and I think you should break it down so that everybody gets what you want to offer. I'm sure that would help to get more people on board :-)
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@ecoinstant ·
Great feedback!  Appreciate it!
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@acidyo ·
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Sharing this to see what other more technically inclined people think about the proposal. I personally wouldn't mind making life easier for "non-devs" to get started working on different projects and using varying open-source tools, some times I even have to ask for help for SQL queries, lol.
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@alohaed ·
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Solid work here, I've enjoyed watching the refinements to this, and your effort to discover from the community what tools need building or refactoring. 

Eco's process and his activities over the past few months have been a net positive for sparking communication across Hive.
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@ecoinstant ·
You have been such a big help and motivation.  I want to support users just like you @alohaed , although I know and you know - 

AINT NOBODY LIKE GENTLEMAN RURAL!

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@brianoflondon ·
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I've put in a couple of merges on Beem (which is the most comprehensive library for Hive on Python) recently and taken a look at it. 

It does need significant work to pull it up to modern standards with typing and the whole way it handles dates needs to be made timezone aware.

I think perhaps the proposal is too wide in terms of what you hope you can do, but we need significant extra work in these areas I agree.

I'm voting for this.

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@coldbeetrootsoup ·
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So many Hivains screem that we need more developers...well, here you go guys. This here will make Hive much easier to work on and Developers will be able to go out there and test, build and just have fun.
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@cpol ·
$0.15
I'm glad you are taking the Open Source approach. Have you discussed under which license or licenses are you going to develop the framework? Thank you! !PIZZA !BBH !HUESO !DIY
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@danzocal ·
!PIZZA
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@day1001 ·
Keep up the great works guys. I am still learning on the intricacies of Hive and hope to be of help someday. Wishing you guys all the best !BBH
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@diyhub ·
<div class="pull-right"><a href="https://peakd.com/c/hive-189641/created"><img src="https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/diyhub/AJpnUV2wUykLKW2B136K6E45dj5MsBXffQP4jTsRyy6FiveyRomLnjCQWbLDZ8J.png
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@cpol just sent you a DIY token as a little appreciation for your post dear @ecoinstant!
Feel free to multiply it by sending someone else !DIY in a comment :) You can do that x times a day depending on your balance so:

> Don't be shy - share some DIY!

You can query your personal balance by <code>!DIYSTATS</code>
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@dlmmqb ·
$0.12
So we r building stuff and open source it! Sounds fun.
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@electionwatch ·
Why does this need more than one dev?  Is one person unable to handle this simple task?

Most devs are only going to use a few basic operations anyways.  Most of these operations will not even be signed-which implies they can use curl or other similar mechanism without the need for beem.  Still, between signed and unsigned api requests, Most operations will unlikely need any fixing so this is a part time job, perhaps even a do nothing job. $100k? Absolutely not.

Why do you need the DHF to give you roughly 50-60k in hivepower for testing? This reflects that people don't see the project as worth delegating RC in.  There are only a handful of tx that are resource intensive.  Ether the tx works and the RCs are used, or it fails and the tx aren't used.  If, say, there is a sporadic bug in account creation whose cause needs to be isolated to then be debugged, I am sure there are not shortage of whales who would delegate the RCs. So there is no need or justification for this, this is likely an auxilary income stream that has nothing to do with maintaining beam.  Additionally, you could invest your own pay into resolving the issue, then reclaim the investment.

Why do you need $250/month in a server if you are hosting on github.  Even if you need a personal site, just host it on a local computer.  You are only dealing with a chain of some 8k active users, and only a small niche does any coding. Not sure what the cost is for a static ip address in south America, but raspberri pis are still $35 (maybe a bit more for import taxes) and that's all you really need.  I'm sure you ca reduce this budget by 80%.

Travel?  This part is completely unnecessary. Stay home, or travel at your own expense.  Marketing, no. This isn't the pope venue to market development tools.  The chain only has some 8k+- active users, only a small niche are devs.  Beem doesn't need to do anything for marketing except be mentioned in the hive developers webpage or discord.  And to be honest, if you are planning to maintain the code, it shouldn't cost you a dime to produce code examples given that is residual code from maintaining the project.  Nor do you have to make videos, let alone $4500 worth.  

Please keep your valueplan styled scamming ass away from the dhf. Blocktrades wrote that he wants to use his success for altruism, and the dhf seems to have become the source of his charitable givings against literally all better judgment-and one has to question why he is funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to shysters across the third world, particularly countries that may be trade sanctioned.  Does blocktrades have connections to the CIA? Who knows. Even SBF calls the water well projects a scam.  Blocktrade is going to repeat the same mistakes that his bitshares project had if he doesn't exercise financial restraint.

>We're doing well, busy on a lot of projects. As I've made more money, I've grown increasingly altruistic, however, and I think we've made enough to plan the project I'm truly passionate about nowadays (a web of trust based system), so I'm less sure about doing an IPO for BlockTrades nowadays, unless it turns out that development costs for the project are more than expected.

-Dan Notestein aka blocktrades
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=21509.msg339497#msg339497

The reason we have beem is because because signing tx tend to be arcane info.  It's nice to have, but not worth 100k to upkeep.  All developers need is to see, step by step, how a transaction is signed, with dummy initial values and expected outputs each step of the way, and ween themselves off of depending on other peoples code.  Of course with a warning about seeking CSPRNG k values.  It's literally that simple.The code is likely already in beem,  Just Isolate it, do as instructed, and beem can die and a 100k expense can be avoided.  That's how the real world works. 
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@ecotheexploiter ·
We are not against removing beem from the proposal 

Did you happen to notice "B2B hive as a service modules"?  We have released 10 tools/mini apps already, 6 are now open source.

This can not be done by one person, we are two.  We hire out small, well scoped tasks constantly.

Other than that, solid feedback.  Appreciate the time, the specifics.
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@electionwatch ·
I didn't notice the "B2B hive as a service" component, but I still fail to understand why it needs more than one dev.  Who is asking for this? Who is using it? How is this not a solution looking for a problem?
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@emrebeyler · (edited)
$0.14
Looks good, excited about the development of Nectar.  

One thing that bugs me out in the proposal is that the daily pay. Instead of paying upfront everything, I'd prefer a year of payments. That way stakeholders can retract their votes, in case you just don't deliver anything (not saying this is gonna happen.) Otherwise that would be an instant approval for my humble stake. :)

Good luck!
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@ecoinstant ·
Great feedback!  I think many are thinking it, but its curious to me how few are saying this particular one out loud.  
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@shanibeer ·
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This is my concern, too, and I question the delivery of 100k HBD, a whole year's budget, within two weeks of the start of the project, before any deliverables have been achieved.

Is there a way round this?

The post mentions a supervisory committee, have you approached anyone to serve on this, or received any expressions of interest? What will the terms of reference be? What powers will the supervisory committee have? For example, what will happen if the project does not deliver? Is there any compensation for members of the supervisory committee?

For example, could there be multi-sigs authorising payments from the holding account (@open.mithril, I'm guessing)?

What liability, if any, will members of the supervisory committee be taking on?
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@friendlymoose · (edited)
$0.27
Although I don't understand it all I think it's a good initiative to make things simpler on Hive.
Investments and risks are explained well.

> targeted community engagement.
 
What do you mean by this?


> Orator, Co-host - @alohaed
The Voice of Hive! This only should be a reason to upvote the proposal 😃
The Hive podcasts and interviews are very interesting and entertaining!
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@ecoinstant ·
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>targeted community engagement

both through the podcasts we do and support, as well as the actual way we develop.

1. by reaching out to leaders, we engage with their communities.  By interviewing @yabapmatt, splinterlands players hear.  By interviewing @good-karma , ecency users are more likely to get a chance to notice.  We have done both, and our list of pending guests continues to grow.

2.  We do not want to build stuff over again (bespoke is the enemy of progress).  When we [integrated Sting Chat](https://peakd.com/hive-139531/@ecoinstant/integrating-sting-chat-into-dcity-mobilemarket-app), we were able to celebrate publically the work of @peak.open, and satisfy @dcitygame players.  

These are some examples of how we have already used "targetted community engagement" to great effect in our development model.
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@friendlymoose ·
Thanks for the explanation!
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@grimmjoe ·
would be great to see the different devs and builders working together
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@hivetrending ·
$0.66
I have been discussing this proposal privately with the team (hence me being listed as an advisor). 

I’ll continue giving my honest feedback and suggestions.
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@josephsavage ·
$0.69
I have known @ecoinstant and collaborated on many different projects and initiatives over the last seven year. He and @thecrazygm (who I haven't worked with directly, since Eco is a great project manager) have been super response to my thoughts and feedback during the develop of the tools already mentioned.
Eco has also been my project manager on various pieces of work for Hive SBI over the last few years and some of that work owes it's completion to his untiring efforts to make sure things were moving forward, especially when I was the bottleneck!
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@kevin1273 ·
😊👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 
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@mahdiyari ·
$0.53
The proposal is too vague and too wide.
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@ecoinstant ·
$0.17
Great feedback!  i honestly appreciate the specifics, both of them.
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@rainbowdash4l ·
$0.15
Thanks for the clearly formulated proposal. 
You got my support. 

I love the risk management section
One thing I would love to see here is an educated guess on the likelyhood of the risks (for example the scope creep). 

Good luck!
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@rishi556 ·
$0.40
Why not use the Hive-Engine DAO to pay for engine related upgrades?
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@ecoinstant ·
Its shut down, I considered it several times in the last few months!  Also, hive-engine lib is a quite minor part of this proposal, more like "what we are already doing".

I am happy to remove it and apply else where when its open, or not, we are already self funding it, see:  https://peakd.com/nectar/@thecrazygm/nectar-progress
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@rishi556 · (edited)
$0.25
Isn't it still open here: https://tribaldex.com/tokenfunds/BEE:WORKERBEE https://tribaldex.com/tokenfunds ?

Also seems to be enabled in code: https://github.com/hive-engine/hivesmartcontracts/blob/main/contracts/tokenfunds.js#L308 ? 
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@rishi556 ·
$0.04
Why are the funds requested in just 11 days? My understanding is that this proposal is for a years worth of work with the salary and other numbers? Yet the funding request is set for just 11 days. If this was longer, it'd be easier to support since we can always revoke support if the community feels like things aren't getting done, but we are basically paying upfront here for no guarantee.
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@ecoinstant · (edited)
yes!  its not the way things are usually done!  If I'm going to fail, I want to fail quickly.  Also - year long drips are not game theoretically very smart - I will definitely do a post about that (I actually thought it would be sooner, but have prioritized now "simpler, more specific" - so look out for that.  You are only the second person to mention it.)

Also, my hive blog speaks for itself.  7 years building on HIVE, my whole life is built on HIVE, 2 months doing this exact same model in our free time.  If you don't think the last 2 months of work we've done in our spare time is worth it - you probably would vote for it any way I structure it.  

Last point - just 1 day of funding, check the numbers, is enough to fund us for 2 months, keep working, and try again.
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@seckorama · (edited)
$0.15
It's fine by me.
The project is well-written, the costs are costed, and the objectives are clear.
Just voted.
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@ecoinstant ·
I'm working on taking off!  Thank you!!
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@spiritsurge · (edited)
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Most if not all campaigning happens behind closed doors. However, the biggest disconnect between technically competent hive stakers like @blocktrades and non technical like @acidyo is obvious. Right now the only thing the non-technical can do is see if the technical like it or not. So the next step due to how busy the technical are is to campaign out to them in DMs, which they are already too busy to see. And with how many technical there are, you can just imagine how many private DMs there are. 

If possible I would highly urge @ecoinstant to be part of an AMA along with @thecrazygm so that everyone can get their questions in. Writing a proposal while is not easy does not completely highlight the competency of the team.

For instance, replacing Beem with a new Python library is a BIG and much-needed move. @brianoflondon is someone who uses Beem regularly and has had administrative trouble with Beem. This is something I believe he is highly competent to assess. 

I would also add that if there are new devs who want to build on hive, Beem is very dated and most people have trouble working with it. 

Case-in-point: I was a judge for a Hive Hackathon taking place in India, and of the 22 projects assessed, not one was built with Python. Considering that Python is the number one language used in the world, this is a travesty, as we are unable to cater to anyone who uses Python. 

@ecoinstant Maybe put the date of the AMA in the proposal, this way everyone knows WHEN and WHERE to ask you questions.
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@ecoinstant ·
$0.02
Everyone should feel free to also ask questions on this post!

But, there is an AMA scheduled now!!

https://images.hive.blog/0x0/https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tGXT3Nbd7vn5TgBmHKZbfvGbT1KRtRiEyse68co88XUpJaD64uFeC1TH2qUyG8ujn9X.png
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@tokenizedsociety ·
$0.29
Similar to what Acidyo said, I would like to see what developers and more technical people have to say about the "usefulness" of the final product.

But I gotta say, being a project manager myself, I think this proposal is very well structured with a clear scope, budget allocation and KPIs so I'm inclined to vote for it.
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@tomonchain ·
$0.16
Many projects fail because of poor coordination, not lack of talent. A strong project manager makes sure everything actually comes together. You're so right 
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@toochi001 ·
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@ura-soul ·
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I have read through the proposal and looked at some of the linked pages. My comments/questions are oriented in the same vein as I would apply to any project seeking DHF funding for development or marketing. Essentially I am aiming to ensure everyone is clear about what exactly is being offered, how the success will be measured, is the offer good value and whether there is demand/need for the work in the first place. 

In my previous DHF proposal for @strategizer that was oriented towards market research, I pointed out that it is often futile to invest in any kind of development or marketing without first really knowing that there will be a return on it. This requires some form of research, up front. Unfortunately, it seems that many people on Hive are not so enthusiastic about measurements of necessity and success being applied to DHF payouts, so the proposal did not get funded.

In any case, if we are concerned about the goal of growing and optimising Hive, we at least need to appreciate where the low-hanging fruit are and how to invest sustainably, rather than just throwing money in a direction we imagine might be helpful. So this means understanding the needs of the target audience and catering to them. In the case of developers, it's clear that Hive is not providing an attractive enough package to attract them in droves. While VSC adds a great deal of potential from a developer perspective, we still need solid libraries and most fundamentally, great education and marketing.

As with most technical/creative tasks, every single person has a differing capacity to complete them and the quality/usefulness will vary depending on a variety of factors. 

In the case of this DHF proposal, I am not 100% clear what specific problems are being addressed and in what way. Is the problem that development resources on Hive are not professionally enough documented or coded? Is the problem that non developers don't have access to ways to build on Hive? Which exact aspects of this will the DHF project solve?

I recall reading direct mention of forking/improving on code libraries, plus of marketing them via podcasts. I am not clear on what new micro services would be developed and what the potential market for them is. The examples of existing micro services are not likely to be very exciting to most people in the ever evolving Web 3 world - they are typically very Hive oriented and not particularly cutting edge.

In essence, you seem to be asking for money to pay for developer/admin time, to perform marketing and to operate hardware - but there is no mention of what that will exactly result in. 

- How many hours of labour are the people being paid by the DHF commiting towards the work in return? 
- How efficiently do they work as compared to a contractor from one of the marketplaces for such work?
- What hardware is required? What specifications? Is the quoted/requested figure a good value deal?
- What new micro services are planned to be developed? 
- What evidence is there that micro services are valued by target audiences on and off Hive? (What anaytics data can corroborate this - as a minimum).
- What marketing strategy exists to ensure that any podcasts or media produced from this project are effective and draw in target audience eyeballs? The highly competitive world of 'online attention' is full of podcasts and channels with almost no viewers.

In summation - while I want to see developer resources drastically improved on Hive, the details are important.

Cheers!
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@uwelang ·
Not a tech guy but what I read sounds like a decent help for "normal" people to create things - sharing for more discussion. 
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It would be great to see cooperate with the work @techcoderx is doing for Aioha. That is pretty important I'd argue on the JS/frontend side. Among other more "biased" opinions, I'd say Python isn't the best language of choice for new projects or apps. Everything we are working on would be in JS or Golang. In addition, it would be great to also include some of the golang work we are doing as we are heavily pushing Hive's golang libraries and tools forward. 
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@ecoinstant ·
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I'm on a call with you right now!
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We need as many builders as possible on HIVE. I used to think of marketing and onboarding as the way to get HIVE mainstream. Over time I realized that having more developers trying out DAPPs can be just as effective. Few great DAPPs can bring in large number of users and retain them for a long time. @splinterlands and @leofinance creating so many accounts is a perfect example of what is possible. 

Having more developers increase our chances of going viral through one of our DAPPs. Anyone can take a look on blockchain and see your commitment and history on the blockchain. __I fully support this Proposal and it is things like this that give me hope for the future of HIVE!__
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@ecoinstant ·
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And if anyone does want to do that, we created an easy tool to do it:

https://thecrazygm.com/hivetools/utility/backlinks?username=ecoinstant

Thank you, mysterious friend that I have never met but somehow feel is like a brother.  This is the power of "trustless" freedom technologies! 
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@vimukthi ·
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>Thank you, mysterious friend that I have never met but somehow feel is like a brother. This is the power of "trustless" freedom technologies!

I could say the same about you. Such is the beauty of shared values. They are the best connectivity tool I know.
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