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Proposal Updates! Open Mithril Development Framework by ecoinstant

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· @ecoinstant · (edited)
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Proposal Updates! Open Mithril Development Framework
We have first engaged in an intense 9 days of accelerated community feedback - to [validate our model](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/explain-it-to-me-simpler-part-1), to learn the players, to [bait out the "feedbacks"](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/i-need-moar-negative-feedback).  Quite frankly - I didn't know what I didn't know: **It was MYSTERIOUS**.

We got your feedbacks.  And now we have edited the proposal.  This post will explain the changes.


<center>![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tkjcxLDJ2btK26CUpAqwiC6fUCPGsM7pU6jAR9PzuD1Yxjv95RmV5TWeNHJoTeHuEHr.png)</center>

The first major change is the removal of "[yourFrontend](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/you-can-have-your-frontend)/[yourBackend](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/yourbackend-time-for-a-rebrand)" from the proposal.  Firstly, its "done", so doesn't need funding; it was done for the purpose of establishing competence and validating the model with an example, one that now has several [client sites](https://content.hivesbi.com) deployed.  Unfortunately it was very difficult for me to communicate how this is different (I do admit we have a lot of frontends), and despite working with both @mengao and @adesojisouljay about [redhat-ing](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/explain-it-to-me-simpler-part-1) both myCommunity and breakaway-communities (both of which have unique and powerful usecases in my opinion), it seemed that this ["champion"](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/our-champion-modules-be-specific-part-2) did its job and met its fate.


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## Budgetary Changes

I reorganized the budget.  Did you know that buying Hive Power with DHF is "wrong ways"?  I didn't!  But now I do - I continue to "demystify the DHF", in real time and with my neck on the line.  We have also increased our salaries, specified that we both have the keys and live on different continents, as well as removing the travel.  If I need to travel, I can use event specific posts and @guiltyparties will possibly validate through Value Plan.  Seems fair.  


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/EoATyf4AGYgsGB526qAdEHdg4Qmz4CVyrsiCfWRHp9eTbvTM491ffkbXiRBtxmHT8VH.png)

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## Paid Tools

Among the more minor updates, I was asked to add the "tools" we are currently paying for.  I met with @thecrazygm and we made a list.  Easy peasy.


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tbLxaRCgXHaVmNP68N9P8MJWkCzMbpwYXh8A8X7DRNj5hkrPTwENbZFRKzWSMnGgSn8.png)


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I added this line to the **Development into the Future** Section, to make it as clear as possible that our intention is to work with everyone.  


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/Eo8LeBjQ6Z9u9PhCXb4MFiExBvLwDJy5tguBe5gP9N3KT9B9xxxFFP3Rrmn4WfX2J2E.png)

***

Finally, we added a line to our **Proposed Solutions** section, to make clear that this is SUPPOSED TO BE, we hope to be, a for-profit enterprise.  Of course, there has been nothing but start up costs and rigamarole so far, but - vision is vision!  Redhat is a profitable company, we hope to emulate their very successful model, right here on HIVE.  So - no confusion.


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23tbPh8N8wYm6CW7A6ceng2dL25NJ3183TzYhToAETx7CrqW2dgWARrHau63YfxTUVWcg.png)


***

To conclude.  A word about the most common feedback that I didn't change:

## 11 days?  That's too fast!?  You should vote beg for 365 days or more and leave your neck on the line for all year so we can disrupt your project at any time for any reason we see fit!


okok no joke, the game theory behind this was one of the first posts I scoped out and started writing.  I disagree with this feedback in spirit, and I will publish that post soon, its on the roadmap.  But - I literally cannot change this now, even if I wanted to.  Same goes for the 99k budget - I cannot edit it to say 1M or 10k - we are in play, these are the conditions of the current proposal.  

I am not alien to the idea that "this is the way we have always done it".  I get it.  And I have a lot to say about it, long time listeners to the [Deep Web3 Secrets Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/@DeepWeb3Secrets/videos) might remember that I spoke about some of the game theory quite clearly in one of the early episodes. 

An example:


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/ecoinstant/23t7FRE2k8WDSTti5deZLWZSLx2F6sY3yYZhAd6Dcgni23XZh9uFcEtmz4P78RQYC2vDH.png)

User @edb came out of the woodwork on that day to give me exactly the feedback I asked for, all indexed and pretty like.  It just so happens that his first feedback was this one.  Notice a little trick here:

>Working for a DAO is never going to be like a real job

Hmmmmm 🤔 yes of course I know that, that's why we are applying for a grant?  What "real job" pays you 99k upfront?  Not sure how this gets so twisted up.

But enough on that, save some for the game theory post.  I will say, it has been discussed extensively amongst our team, AND additionally we hope to do a podcast "soon" with someone who actually has REAL LIFE experience dealing with grants, funding rounds, and deliverables.  (If this person is you, reach out to me!)

The demystification of the DHF never stops - until next post!

## [Vote it!  I know you want to!](https://peakd.com/proposals/339)
## [Maybe you want to vote using ECENCY!](https://ecency.com/proposals/339)

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@buttcoins ·
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Ok, so full disclosure i have voted for this proposal.   Mostly because it is clear to me that you have been and currently are seeking to better hive in many ways from many directions.  So i choose to support supporters.
That being said, you are asking for critiques.
I have heard you say in podcasts, spell it out like you are explaining to a 5 year old.   
Have you done that here?   
Whats a BEEM? How does it help me a simple blogger?
Who wears a Redhat and why?
Why do i want an auto-badger… dont they bite, might they not be rabid?

I’m dumber than 5… make me care too, i just post for upvotes, is this gonna get me more upvotes?
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@cryptoreforma ·
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Hi @ecoinstant,

Proposal voted ✅

Although I don't have the depth of knowledge to make a very rigorous analysis of your proposal, I believe in the value of the rest of the members of your team and in the suitability of many who voted for the proposal.

People like antisocialist, bozz, brianoflondon, good-karma, buttcoins, c0ff33a, vaultec, friendlymoose, meno, derangedvisions, seckorama, edicted, among many others, also want the best for HIVE. 

Maybe with all this setup I can get the HIVE PHOTO MAGAZINE flipbook running inside PEAKD (or another one).  [We're already on our third issue](https://peakd.com/@cryptoreforma/hive-photo-magazine-no-3) ;)
(I spoke to you on Discord a while ago, remember?)

Or, in the near future, get [virtual photo galleries](https://artspaces.kunstmatrix.com/en/exhibition/13208918/street-photography-2024) inside HIVE. It's nothing more than a big gallery (HIVE PHOTO GALLERY), in a second live environment, where visitors can choose the gallery corresponding to the photographic genre they're looking for (examples: landscape, portrait, street photography, etc, etc). The galleries would be made up of photographs published in photographic communities. Every seven days, all the content would be changed. 

We'll talk about it a day later. In the meantime, as we're in a blockchain and on-chain environment, here's the patent for the idea registered 😃 🤣
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@ecoinstant ·
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I REMEMBER!

This one is tricky (if it was easy I would have solved it quick haha), and will always need to involve @asgarth , but I have not forgotten. And if you remember my messages, I believe the complications are scoped out now (not everyone recognizes that scoping the issues is work, is valuable).

I appreciate you!  Thank you for caring!
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@ecoinstant ·
you the !PIZZA , bro
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@hivebuzz ·
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@shiftrox ·
@mengao you're in all of them hein kkkk, but this is top bro, always involved in improving the hive ecosystem!
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@ecotheexploiter ·
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@mengao seems like he helps everybody.  I think I like him!
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@shiftrox ·
He's a really nice guy, always trying to help and giving honest opinions, which is great for any project!
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@thehivetuber ·
I really respect the way you keeping things clear about the budget Mr Eco. Good stuff for Hive devs and with all these projects, Hive most certainly has brighter tomorrow 
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@txracer ·
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I voted, the open source stuff you have put up in the last few days is great and pretty easy to read. It will be cool to see what all gets built off of your repos.
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@ecotheexploiter ·
@thecrazygm is a great tutor, he replies on-chain!   Glad you are liking it!
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@txracer ·
for sure, yall keep up the good work. Derp, for some reason I thought this account was the main account for the project, that's what I get for reading the content and not looking at who the author was.
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@ura-soul ·
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Hi,
So here are some reminders of my comments on the other issues, plus some more:

1. I am not sure what 'support staff skills' means. I thought originally you were intending to use that money to pay other people to do support tasks, but the use of the word 'skills' seems to imply some sort of training for yourselves, is that correct? I think you need to explain why you are asking for $11,000 here.
1. You talk about operating a for-profit organisation and possibly taking some of the funds and investing them into a company. I don't recall you defining what exactly Hive users will get for free, what they will pay for and how much they will pay. This will be a sticking point for many people as they might see that they are paying twice.
1. As I mentioned previously, I am not really clear on the need for an invoicing module when we already have several for free. I think you need to really specify why yours is needed and beneficial.
1. I personally don't vote for the existing badge system run by arcange, because I think the money can be much better used to develop more powerful tools - so I am not inspired by another badging system.

So for me personally, sitting like a guy on 'shark tank' listening to an elevator pitch - the only parts that interest me are that you are wanting to write open source (Somehow for profit) code that benefits Hive and that you are upgrading Beem. I totally agree that Hive's code frameworks need updating (and documenting well), but it seems like you want to direct resources to many things other than Beem, so I have no idea how much of your requested funds would actually go to Beem or whether it would be good value.

For what it's worth, I personally see the following as the most pressing tasks for community development on Hive:

1. Improving Ecency's codebase for use in breakaway communities.
2. Improving the open source libraries for Hive to attract outside developers and support existing ones.
3. Creating/Writing a large amount of up to date documentation and promotional material for existing and new developers to sell them on Hive and more importantly to educate them on how to develop on Hive.
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@ecoinstant · (edited)
1. This is the budget to pay the other people.  My main people are listed in the prop, but I also have others for very specific skill sets, like @kit.andres for docker.
2.  We have already deployed 8 free tools, and will continue to do so [thecrazygm.com/hivetools/](https://thecrazygm.com/hivetools/).  Additionally ALL of our premium tools are open source and going open source.  In our [Champion Modules](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/our-champion-modules-be-specific-part-2) post we also explained how only the server deploy costs micropayment, but our interface script builders will allow people to download prebuilt code to deploy themselves.  Doesn't HIVE also get BEEM fixed?
3. We don't have a single one yet on HIVE, but I did an interview with blocktrades today where we break down this confusion of yours (and many others! me too before I read the manual) for 45 minutes.  Happy to share the unlisted unedited version with you privately.
4. Auto-Badger integrates the @peak.open badge system we already have.  I [broke down ~~extensively~~ clearly](https://peakd.com/hive-186392/@ecoinstant/our-champion-modules-be-specific-part-2) how a lack of available automation is costing our community project builders precious time logging in and clicking buttons.

## For What its Worth

1. I would also vote for a proposal like that!  I already support [Ecency Prop](https://peakd.com/proposals/336), if there is another, link me!
2. Literally this proposal.
3. Literally in this proposal.  

You are a champion of feedback!  Not sure you are reading my posts tho!  Big hugs.
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@rishi556 ·
$0.25
This tool is broken: https://thecrazygm.com/hivetools/utility/backlinks?username=rishi556 It doesn't go all the way back. Unless it's meant to start when Hive starts?
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@ura-soul ·
$0.43
1. OK.
2. OK, so I think the degree to which your proposal is funded is to some extent the degree to which people value the services you are developing as a result of the funding.
3. As I am currently focused on my health here, I don't have much time to spare, unfortunately - it's quite an urgent situation.
4. I never hear anyone I know talking about badges at all, so it's not an area I am familiar with. I thin this area is genuinely seen as very low priority in the context of the larger challenges.

FWIW
1. Yes, the Ecency proposal is meant to cover it. I have suggested SPK apply for it too several times, but they are funding with their own money and don't want to hit the DHF twice AFAIK.
2. OK, though I may have missed the extent to which Beem/Nectar will be developed/expanded. I just checked the kanban page and see that the legacy issues are being addressed - though I don't see much in the way of expansion of scope.
3. The documentation is a huge project/requirement in my mind. Previous documentation for Hive has been too limited, often outdated quickly and also sometimes just incomplete throughout. If I compare it to docs from other similar open source projects, they are a world apart. Not only do the docs need to be technically accurate and written by experienced coders and technical authors, but they also should ideally have some degree of modern web design applied. This is something I almost never see on Hive in any context. So it would be great to see examples of relevant work of whoever is tasked with this aspect. I haven't seen that yet.

FYI, I come from a background of professional development and also digital marketing. I've put quite a bit of time into trying to get the standards raised on Hive for the UX but typically I find that I am either ignored or the projects just don't have the budget to have work completed to full market norms. I appreciate that we are competing with projects who sometimes have very large budgets - but many also do not, so I aim to do what I can to try to nudge projects in that direction.

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