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@jrcornel Being Flagged to Zero! by edicted

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@jrcornel Being Flagged to Zero!
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#### Haters gonna hate! 
It's no secret that people around here loathe Steem.  During the hostile takeover I personally advised @jrcornel to dump it all, but he wanted to hodl everything, wait and see.  While I didn't agree with that decision, I did respect it.  Holders gotta hold. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEbhRKVH8bo&ab_channel=IsaacMiller

<sub> This guy was told in the comments to dump Bitcoin SV, 
Like... why is holding such a big deal?  HODL!  </sub>

### HODLing is a big deal!
Again, this is tribalism at its finest.  We have our tribe, and we engage in toxic competitive zero-sum behavior, all the while justifying this as legitimate support for our team.  

#### We win, you lose.
There are so many salty wounds out there when it comes to the Steem/Hive dynamic. Everyone is on the lookout to make sure no one is supporting Steem at Hive's expense: that's why @jrcornel is currently being flagged to zero. 

#### @jrcornel blog content
Mostly focused on the speculative and financial side of the industry, @jrcornel writes multiple short posts a day about these topics.  To some this is interpreted as reward pool abuse. 

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@jondoe/banks-are-the-biggest-criminals-out-there#@abh12345/re-jondoe-qp7lvf

![t1.png](https://images.hive.blog/DQmYLg2qsxWbCNo9z4Kh5kgPhsEj6X5Q8p2ytrdbzC9QTF7/t1.png)

#### @jondoe
So @jrcornel entered into the LEO general chat the other day and someone asked him if @jondoe was his alt account.  It is.  There is a perception that Hive and LEO are being sold for Steem and that obviously ruffles a lot of feathers.  That's not what's going on here. 

@jrcornel is a heavy trader.  He makes a lot of trades in all directions.  Steem is an absolute cash cow right now because the value of SBD is so high.  If he's farming anything, it's Steem. Hive has always been the network with the most long-term promise.  We've have many many private Discord conversations to that effect over the last year.  Still he likes to gamble, and he likes to yield farm.  Let's be honest, who doesn't?



#### HODLER!
He holds at least 250k Hive and 37k LEO.  We are at the foothills of a mega bull run.  Is now really a good time to be flagging holders to zero? Personally I would say that now's actually a good time to give people some slack rather than tightening the belt, but that's just me.  Trim the fat when it needs to be trimmed: the doomsday bear market of 2022. 



#### Collateral Damage!
@sportsncoffee and @jrcornel once sent tokens to Bittrex using the same memo!  That means they are the same person, right!?  Add this innocent user to the list of needless collateral damage: downvoted to zero!  Why follow up on these things when you can click a button to "handle it"?


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#### No dialog: Wolves attack!
So yeah I guess there really is no discussion here.  No one will listen to @jrcornel's side of the story and apparently many have simply unfriended and ignored him on Discord.  Seems childish to me but I make that claim with limited information. 

#### Too many posts!  Too much reward milking! 
Here's the thing guys: proof-of-brain.  The idea is that we reward posts that bring value to the network.  This can run contrary to decentralization if certain accounts are posting a lot and getting votes.  The solution?  Don't upvote posts if you think they have little to no value.  It's not hard.  If they do have value don't complain that some users bring more value than others.  Welcome to the real world. 

#### To an extent this is also more of a networking issue than one of value generation. 

I have personally advised @jrcornel to try and write less posts that will subjectively be regarded as being "higher value" at least till this little feud blows over.  Wouldn't want to have another @kingscrown on our hands. 

### Conclusion
I wrote this unsolicited. Looking at my Discord DMs, @jrcornel is probably the person I talk to the most on private channels (interestingly enough).  We have a lot to talk about.  Crypto and finance are very interesting and exploding with data. 

With all this being said, @jrcornel is a net gain for the platform, and flagging him to zero is overall detrimental to both Hive and LEO. Yeah, I get that posting so often and holding a lot of Steem can be extremely triggering, but at the same time is it really so much to ask to start a conversation before moving in guns-a-blazing?  

The Hive/LEO police got a little carried away with this one, as is often the case. On a certain level everyone knows that flagging all posts for the last week to zero over a reward disagreement is extreme at best.  Chill out a bit. 

He's taking a big risk holding Steem.
He's taking a big risk holding Hive.
He's taking a big risk holding LEO.
Gamble Gamble. 

Certainly I can't force anyone to do anything, but I just thought this issue should be brought to light a bit.  Time is the great equalizer, and these things usually have a way of working themselves out eventually. Feel free to add any more information in the comments below.  Deuces! 

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@abh12345 ·
$10.54
I was wrong about the dumping HIVE for STEEM.

The dude running (at least) jrcornel and jondoe is using jondoe for Steem and jrcornel for Hive.  The separation of these accounts was made to circumvent what @yabapmatt mentions: 

> It's absolutely unconscionable and unforgivable and it reflects very poorly on anyone who uses it knowing what happened.

I mean, what the hell is going on here?

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/abh12345/23xViRtDMzVzRitWMK98omQhwwKXq679xeLW2Tf6a4fUTCRscTFPFu5UtESGJvZH3iUMA.png)

Tipping himself from bittrex (which jondoe never sends to prior to encrypted memo's) to make it look like 2 people? 

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I would fully expect to be downvoted/shamed here if I was posting on a chain owned by people who had stolen funds from people I've met in person.  


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@abh12345 ·
$2.22
More? Ok!


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/abh12345/23zGwREgrjVXXaYktsBpXoFSZ6pWSqUNazCFMhmSupFULmswzXaRvTSTWtqkoiMzxEYig.png)


Before encrypted memo knowledge....

![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/abh12345/23u6WcxLHKK4S5o6X3nG7RzAKhFwmryoWQ6BP8mF5tcAJjjtd5dLXtnf722CXXAGbgxfv.png)


Tada!

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https://steemit.com/@treyball
https://hive.blog/@treyball


https://steemit.com/@sportsncoffee
https://hive.blog/@sportsncoffee


1/2 posts a day, repeat content, always gets a jr/jondoe vote.


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/abh12345/EoAYMb8KV95MKP44RRDyzUoQJU8bvM1jAM22UUc5Nw8x4Fg42Awe3L9PqEarg4AWPvL.png)

Coooooooooool.


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Huh? Ahhh no time, got 12 more posts to do today!

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Anyone spoke to sportsncoffee or treyball on discord, ever? 




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@cryptographic · (edited)
I am one of the faithful @jrcornel voters, and that's because I value his content. I vote on every one of his posts. Have you read his timeline? It's one of the highest quality content timelines here, in my opinion, of course. And what's the beef if he faithfully votes me? Who are these people to think they can tell other people who to vote for and who not to vote for?

Oh, and if you take notice, since you have highlighted it, I, like @sportsandcoffee, am not following anyone either, but that's because my follow list got wiped out when I was trying to create a blacklist - @blocktrades has promised me that it will be fixed - maybe it's the same case here. 

This really looks bad. It looks like a vendetta witch hunt.

Who has the right to dictate what others do with their money? When you think about it, this kind of activity could forever negatively tarnish HIVE - I mean, where in other cases nobody knows how much you have or don't have . . . anonymity . . . maybe people will think twice about joining a community where all of a sudden they could get lynched (I read the comments on his last post, and nobody gave him even the slightest opportunity to defend himself - in fact, the impression one gets is that the attack was totally premeditated).

This is very sad indeed. The main reason why I don't like downvotes - if you put a destructive instrument in the hands of destructive people . . . 

 . . . and we all know that there will always be destructive people.

@acidyo, @howo, @blocktrades, and like thinkers, we've got to get rid of negative incentives!

Never understood the @kingscrown persecution either, especially after he apologized (did he have to kneel instead?) - the lack of camaraderie, compassion, understanding and fairness being exhibited here is unbelievable. It almost feels like Steemit all over again.
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@cryptographic ·
DV. Just to see what it feels like, and how it works. Wow, looks like I've got 10 of these I could use right now! Wow. Imagine if I were a whale . . . I could stomp all over the place.  I'm sooooo powerful. Man, I could have this place all to myself in no time, well, me and my pawns anyway. Got to have someone to say yessss Sir!  ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ
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@urun ·
Interesting. 

Not bad infos :)

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@jrcornel ·
For the record, I am not selling HIVE/LEO for STEEM. I was moving HIVE from my jondoe account to my jrcornel account and I was moving STEEM from my jrcornel account to my jondoe account. It is correct that I did not publicly disclose that this was also my account as I have seen many others with alt accounts not disclose them as well. However, I did admit that it was my account when directly asked. When jd started becoming a higher earner along with jrcornel I should have stopped posting from it, I apologize for that. Sportsncoffee is absolutely not one of my accounts and is a friend of mine I have been helping on here for many years.
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@azircon · (edited)
$3.23
Apology not accepted. Go farm steem.

Doesn't change the fact that you are a milking dude, spinner of internet content and optimizer. Feel free to post if you wish, but don't expect any rewards in hive.
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@klye ·
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Hey man. If that is the case I'll upvote the fuck out of you. Better yet bring some STEEM market cap over here.. Sun yuchen can afford to pump your bags as you do it. :P
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@michealb ·
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As said i enjoy reading / skimming your blogs - keeps me up to date on what's going on without having to look elsewhere. hope you stick around.



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@acesontop ·
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I'm curious if his curators knew all the way that he had two accounts posting with. 

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@acesontop ·
"Stay informed my friends" and try manual curation more often. Needles to say more than that... 
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@eirik ·
I didn't know.

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@acesontop ·
Now you know... 

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@alexvan ·
I fully agree with you, he can do whatever he wants with his stake. I kept also my Steem, and it is producing me a decent return where I can buy into other tokens, especially used it to buy LEO and SIM.

The thing is, that some contenders have been milking the system also for a long time and taking advantage of the networking that they've built.

Shall we start flagging for what they purchase?

We need to get rid of the Steem stigma, as it is holding us back. If we want to look back, we shall look on who started the whole thing and who pulled first the trigger. Steem shall be treated as history, simple as that.

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@antisocialist ·
$0.13
!popcorn

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@edicted ·
$0.17
You clearly got lucky with that roll of the dice. 
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@antisocialist ·
Look out for !pancakes, that thing comes back until you stop voting for it.
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@popcornexpress ·
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@brittandjosie ·
@edicted I miss a comment from your leading man in this comment string. 
For me the evidence giving by people that work to let hive thrive is here , multiple times, that is at least odd. 
If you arenโ€™t a drama person and didnโ€™t know history and read all thatโ€™s been said what would you have done.

Honestly is still always the best policy
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@captaincryptic ·
The crypto verse is a big tent.  Plenty of room for all kinds of projects.  I'm more of a "I mind my business, you mind yours" kind of guy so no hate from me.

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@coininstant ·
DUDE you were so wrong about dumping STEEM, enough already! Don't tell others why to do, merely kindly suggest. I listened to all you HIVBE freaks and did dump a lot of my steem, and deeply regretted it after I saw steem continue to outperform HIVE. Now it's time got you to see the HIVE guys stop damping and beat steem once and for all to vindicate your call! Hurry, buy buy buy HIVE! DUMP your STEEM! HAHA, and DUMP your LEO too, it's junk, and also dump your BNB and VCUB because it is going down. How do u like that.
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@crypto.piotr ·
Dear @edicted

It's hard not to agree with your opening statemet: "Haters gonna hate!"

I've experienced it several times before for my neutral view towards Steemit and i can relate to current situation. It's sad to see someone as reputable as @jrcornel is to become a victim of such a huge unjustice.

Resteemed already to give your post some extra exposure.

Have a great sunday ahead of you,
Yours, Piotr
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@cryptographic ·
And to think that he is **consistently** one of the highest quality content posters on HIVE!

And he never posts more than 2 a day. And they are always high quality posts, that is if you want to be on top of what is happening in crypto finance . . .

And if he's also posting on Discuss, or Medium, or wherever, are these kind people going to have a fit over that too?

This is simply mind boggling to see!
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@klye · (edited)
$0.07
Eh.. Lets say you ran a bakery and you have a box of 12 muffins sitting there for people coming in to try the muffins. I come in every day and grab  a muffin, eat the thing, then proceed to go across the street and purchase a muffin .

Are my actions in this hypothetical muffin situation  going to affect you as the bakery owner?
Of course it would. I'm taking value out of your pocket via the free muffin then spending elsewhere . 

Taking value from you and moving it to a competitor.

The steem chain is the muffin shop across the street profiting on HIve's free muffin in  the examples above.


This is how I believe atleast some of the community sort of sees the situation.
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@cryptographic ·
The problem is that in this case nobody is taking anything from anybody. We're all "mining" from the same pool under the same PRO-RATED rules. But when someone _big_ does it better, they get lynched using _free_ downvotes. The attackers feel better as their jealous anger is momentarily relieved, but ultimately it's food today and famine tomorrow . . . and they won't even realize it when they're starving.

Good luck finding heaving hitting bloggers in that environment! Not to mention people with money who want to invest!
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@flauwy ·
$0.64
What's _Steem_?

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@edicted ·
noice.
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@forexbrokr ·
$0.21
By cross posting your original content to other domains, you're taking away value from LeoFinance.

Way too many people do it and its good to see that FINALLY some of our whales are taking a stand to let people know it's not acceptable.

**Don't duplicate content.**

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@edicted · (edited)
> you're taking away value from LeoFinance.

Not sure if that's true but I'll seriously consider it. 
For example, what if I take the rewards I make on Steem and pump that into LEO?  
That can't be a net loss. 
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@forexbrokr ·
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My argument here has always had nothing to do with the token value.  

Reward milking and dumping is a whole other issue which I know is the primary reason for this little flag war.

I'm instead coming at it from purely a unique content point of view.  

Duplicate content, especially posted on a domain that Google sees as more authoritative (The Steemit domain over the LeoFinance domain for example) is not a good thing for us.

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@foxon ·
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They're just using top-down global thinking. No need for evidence and logic to be combined and arrive at a conclusion. Just make something up, and if it seems plausible to you, then it's an intelligent conclusion. If one of the things you make up every now and again comes true, then that is justification that imagination is just as good and evidence and logic. No need to hate on these top-down global thinkers
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@edicted ·
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I haven't forgotten about you, love. 
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@gank · (edited)
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@cryptographic · (edited)
Are you smoking crack?

Don't mind me. Hey, you're good. You in like Flynn man. Good job. HIVE standards all the way! Love it. Keep it up! Hey, are you on Discord yet? Get over there ASAP. They've got a party planned for you.
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@frankbacon ·
on the bright side, this is a great way to get a LEO party started where people get to find out a bit more about the community.  Sometimes more than they wanted.  But on the Dark side... GANK here simply has hijacked free will... by suggesting something SOO stoopid and then having people add credibility to his Stoopid by thinking they have to respond to IT... HIM... whatever the fack it is... funkin lives in L.A. from what I can see so maybe it should be harassed simply because I hate L.A?  

Look... The GANK here is providing a useful service to TAG and Harass a bunch of folk who would probably like to see something conclusive out of this JackAssery...  For me, I'm happy to come on a phone call assisted Discord AMA to provide the good folk of the LEO community any confirmations they may require.

Since I wrote THE Cryptographic Novel on STEEM several years back, and since your @cryptographic account is YOU, maybe we could clear up parts of this confusion for the most cognitively challenged... like GANK and others?

For the record I own several accounts on this chain... several.

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@jrcornel ·
We are all @jrcornel.
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@michealb ·
yep he's definitely farming with me. We be farmers from way back.  back in that old cotton field back home. 

https://youtu.be/C4zPEmRufMU?t=8
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@spiritabsolute ·
wtf? I am a regular user.  How did I end up on this list?  For all the time I have not withdrawn my tokens! :)
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@geekgirl ·
$1.31
Letโ€™s not forget only evil actors in Steem/Hive drama are Justin Sun and Ned. 

Where people post or how they use their funds really shouldnโ€™t be anybody elseโ€™s business. It is a free market.

@jrcornel is one of the talented authors whose content has always been consistent and interesting. I see such authors as assets of the platform. 

If authors come up with creative ways of earning more, more power to them. Judging their decisions based on what they do with their coins and how they utilize various platfroms is just not helpful. These downvotes are not necessary and would be nice to see them stop.
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@acesontop ·
$0.14
Why hasn't he posted four times a day with his main account and felt the need to create an alternative one, but without disclosing his ownership? Is that creative? 

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@geekgirl · (edited)
It is a personal choice. Many people have alternate accounts for various reasons. Having alternate accounts, not disclosing ownership, etc are not abuse of any kind. Hive operates under DPOS protocol, so multiple account ownerships by a single person does not hurt Hive in any way.
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@azircon · (edited)
$0.92
remember geekgirl about slowwalker? 

You said, slowwalker is decent and supported you with 'votes'. remember what I said? they got to vote something..

Oh wait, want to see slowwalker now??

https://steemit.com/@wisdomandjustice/posts

geekgirl I like you, but you can be naive sometimes.

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@geekgirl ·
$0.51
I like you too and I would come to your defense as well if I saw you were being bullied. You are a great asset to Hive as an author, investor, and active member.

Yes, you have been right in the past and I was wrong. Just because you were right in the past doesn't mean you are right all the time. Is it possible you might be wrong sometimes? I think you are this time. 

I find @jrcornel blog posts interesting and useful and I believe many others do too. Sometimes just to catch up with what is going on with BTC and Crypto, I specifically go to Jrcornel posts to see what's going on. 

What are the reasons for downvotes? Cross-posting on Steemit? Selling Hive? These reasons don't fit in any definition of an abuse. What people do with their content and assets is their business. Don't you agree? Isn't that what Hive actually means?

Driving away talented authors that provide solid and consistent content using Hive blockchain doesn't really help the cause Hive is trying to advance.

Please reconsider your downvotes. It is not just authors you are hurting but also the Hive members that enjoy the content shared by the author.
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.22
> Letโ€™s not forget only evil actors in Steem/Hive drama are Justin Sun and Ned.

That's a nice revisionist history. I suppose all the witnesses that declared loyalty to Justin Sun must be innocent as well.

One of the biggest failure of Hive/Steem is who the community pretend to be talented/popular when they are just a subpar versions of Associated Press in a tiny puddle.
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@geekgirl ·
You can call those witnesses and others who may have sided with Justin Sun many things, but "evil" is not one of them. Evil acts of hostile takeover that put the chain and the user assets at risk were done only by Justin Sun and Ned. When the hostile take over of the chain governance happened, initially there were only JS sock puppet witnesses at top 20. 

Those who sided with JS and joined him, did so after the fact. Their reasons may vary. Perhaps some saw a financial opportunity, perhaps some saw an opportunity to influence the direction network should move, perhaps some saw it as retaliation to past conflicts. Doesn't matter. All happened after the fact. And there were very few witnesses that chose to do so. Even today, I believe majority of top Steem witnesses are JS witnesses.

Decentralized systems are all inclusive. You many have participants who actually prefer centralization, and participants with wide variety of points of view and opinions. 

Anyway, my point is the topic of this post really has nothing to do with Steem/Hive drama, and downvotes should not be used based on that.
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@hykss ·
$0.20
Downvoting because he's selling Hive for Steem, that I find a bit extreme. Ok wounds are still fresh, could be triggering but hey you earned something you are free to do whatever you want with.

Now something I find despicable and that deserves downvoting (at least till he fixes the issue), is to multi-account and post like a madman pretending they are not the same person. Thus tricking people voting for you.
Plus voting yourself through your different accounts ? Come on auto circle-jerking ? There's no excuse.
Why would you need 2+ different accounts posting on the same platform if it was not to trick people upvotes ?

The guy is not even telling us he's wrong, he cares only about his milk.
As you said he's a big gambler and this one didn't work.

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@joshman ·
$0.34
> Downvoting because he's selling Hive for Steem, that I find a bit extreme. Ok wounds are still fresh, could be triggering but hey you earned something you are free to do whatever you want with.

Agreed, it's tacky, but not a good enough reason.  It's the rest of it that burns me too!

> Why would you need 2+ different accounts posting on the same platform if it was not to trick people upvotes ?

It's quite normal to avoid autovotes or to post only to a specific community, but people are normally transparent about it.

> The guy is not even telling us he's wrong, he cares only about his milk.
As you said he's a big gambler and this one didn't work.

It's sad because his content isn't bad, just the behavior.  Some of the same people trying to defend him, would have no issue with erasing the rewards and chasing off someone less popular and with a smaller wallet who was behaving the same way.

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@cryptographic ·
What behavior?

I've still to see a clear description of what he's done that deserves his lynching!

Much less seeing him given the opportunity to defend himself.

But first we need clear and documented accusations (i.e. evidence).

This is the most base of human nature at its best!
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@hykss ·
Very true about preventing auto votes, as soon as itโ€™s transparent itโ€™s very useful for voters and votee.
Not his use case though :)

Again very true, content is good and I upvoted him several times ! 

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@trumpman2 ·
> Downvoting because he's selling Hive for Steem, that I find a bit extreme. Ok wounds are still fresh, could be triggering but hey you earned something you are free to do whatever you want with.

and i am free to downvote for that reason

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@cryptographic ·
And you are unjustly harming someone in the process.

Especially since you have still not even provided one once of evidence to support your accusations.

**This is HIVE's equivalent to the KKK!**

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

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@hykss ·
Absolutely ! Everyone can upvote/downvote for any reason they deem fit. Itโ€™s personal and part of our way of thinking.
Iโ€™m using this blockchain instead of some centralised shit as well because you are free to have your own thinking here.

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@urun ·
I also disagree with that point if the content is not exclusive. It always has the leecher aura :)

#penistags 

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@jarvie ·
$0.46
Once again the need to promote TIPS above the reward pool is again very evident. 
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@manniman ·
It is a very important part of the balance, I totally agree.
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@josediccus ·
$0.12
Personally what I do is ignore posts that I think are overrewarded rather than flag, it kind of feels salty, the flag I mean, its not something I would do, im not saying jcornel is right, but he should probably post less maybe Just twice and maintain a healthy post. The flags would eventually reduce but his posts should reduce too. I hope this doesn't make him leave hive thereby dumping everything and tanking the price
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@shtup ·
He is unable to tank the price of either LEO or HIVE except for a short period in case of LEO because LEO has such extremely thin liquidity. If he were to do that, it would be his own loss and the lucky buyers' gain.

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@shtup/re-josediccus-ggeap)
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@joshman · (edited)
$10.58
The earning HIVE to buy STEEM is kind of a red herring anyhow, as is how he  spends his tokens in general.  My issue is his slowwalker style pay yourself with alts schtick, which he obviously went to a lot of effort to conceal.  Keep in mind, this is the same person who would drop 100% upvotes on his 3-word comments, right before the timer expired.  When called out after the whole 'new steem' thing he switched to trading votes--whatever.  Fast forward to now, getting 40-50 bucks for 400-word commentary posts just wasn't enough for him.  It's a slap in the face to those with significantly less stake putting in the work.  Zero sympathy, I don't care who he chats with on discord.

Any small account doing this would have been righteously chased off and blacklisted.  I will not support a 2-tier system of acceptable behavior.  I don't care how much stake you have.
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@cryptographic · (edited)
Take a look at how @smooth has "concealed", if you want to call it that. And that's just to get started. If you wanted, you could spend half a lifetime tracing everyone's funds. 

I consider it to be a matter of personal privacy, and here we are policing individual privacy (and property for that matter) - the very lot of us who "champion" the private nature of crytpo.

I detect a lot of jealously as well.

The downvote has got to be eliminated, or else this platform will degenerate into a miserable circle jerk.

BTW, you'd be getting my full upvote on all your Dbuzz posts if you'd just raise your payout cap a bit. It's not quantity, it's quality that matters. ๐Ÿ˜‰  Not going to upvote you if it's nulled though. Defeats the purpose, you know - we're supposed to be mining.

Also, I give out full upvotes because I don't have the time to spend trying to find more quality content.
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@acidyo ·
$2.38
There are many anonymous people on Hive, myself included. If I were to selfvote and votetrade and vote on alts with all the VP in my disposal I'd fully expect the community to cancel me. Remember we share the same reward pool and especially people as big as him should look for new authors and smaller accounts to support to grow this place instead of thinking of himself all the time. The curation rewards should be enough at this point for accounts of that size instead of also maximizing author rewards in every way he can and doing the whole platform and it's future a disservice. 

This is exactly why the free downvotes were introduced and they're working as intended and why Steem for the longest time was a literal circlejerk by most users and distribution sucked. 

> Also, I give out full upvotes because I don't have the time to spend trying to find more quality content.

Then join a curation trail. 
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@joshman ·
$0.43
> Take a look at how @smooth has "concealed", if you want to call it that. And that's just to get started. If you wanted, you could spend half a lifetime tracing everyone's funds.

I know he has multiple accounts, as do I.  That was never the issue.  Beyond that you'd have to elaborate.

> I consider it to be a matter of personal privacy, and here we are policing individual privacy (and property for that matter) - the very lot of us who "champion" the private nature of crytpo.

The reward pool is a public commons allocated by votes, the blockchain is a public content database.  When competing for either finite resource publicly, that is the blockchain itself, and rewards, you are in fact NOT entitled to privacy, and pending rewards ARE NOT your property.  You want assured privacy, there are other blockchains for that.

> I detect a lot of jealously as well.

From whom, from me? Of what? His prose? His wallet?  

> The downvote has got to be eliminated, or else this platform will degenerate into a miserable circle jerk.

I think the opposite is true. Want proof?  Downvoting and community policing has been what has eliminated much of that activity.   I invite you to look at STEEM (https://steempeak.com/@wisdomandjustice).  That being said, Blurt is waiting for you with open arms if you seek a version of the blockchain that has no downvotes.






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@enforcer48 ·
$0.52
Hive logic: @jrcornel = important; @coruscate, @cryptofinally, @cryptowendyo = not important.

And they wonder why people think this place is shit. They still put the early benefactors of @ned's fuckery on a pedestal. 
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@joshman ·
$0.28
Being a fully anon personality with mediocre hive-exclusive content and a large stake isn't nearly as valuable as some people assume.  Perhaps that's counterintuitive.
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@jphamer1 · (edited)
$1.17
the whole point of this place is you can do what you want and say what you want. Its a blank canvas you choose what you do with it, just like life itself.  This is a community but if its a small one of playing by the rules of said community, its cult like and toxic and nothing but a circle jerk. I prefer the freedom, non governance, anarchy that this place has to offer, the way nature intended. The only thing this place needs from us is nurture.
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@joshman ·
$0.03
> the whole point of this place is you can do what you want and say what you want.

I disagree, the point is community governance.

> I prefer the freedom, non governance, anarchy that this place has to offer, the way nature intended. 

Your preference doesn't really fit the tech.  Instead of communicating on a public database and rewarding people with public funds, it would appear that end-to-end encryption is more your speed.
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@lucylin ·
...the entire ecossytem is one of alts and 'behind the scenes' shenanigans...
cornel might be one copping for it now, but to think that it doesn't go on - and on a very gig scale - is naive (I'm _not_ calling you naive).
...if you think about it, the 'guaranteed' curation trials and circle jerking is, pretty much, the same as self upvoting...

I would say the system is broken but that would imply that it was , at one time, not broken.
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@joshman · (edited)
> ...the entire ecossytem is one of alts and 'behind the scenes' shenanigans...
cornel might be one copping for it now, but to think that it doesn't go on - and on a very gig scale - is naive (I'm not calling you naive).

No doubt true, but is the answer to do nothing?


Here's the result of doing nothing:

https://steempeak.com/@wisdomandjustice/posts
https://steempeak.com/@oldstone/posts
https://steempeak.com/@photoholic/posts

> I would say the system is broken but that would imply that it was , at one time, not broken.

Perhaps that is so, but we must work with its constraints.  There are alternatives with other constraints for people to choose from, or the constraints can be changed with enough support. 

Community governance was the philosophy of the majority of stakeholders supporting the fork over from STEEM.  It was in losing the ability to govern on STEEM that we have a HIVE blockchain at all.
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@klye ·
$2.90
After browsing over all this shit and getting tagged twice in this comment clusterfuck below it seems like the unpopular opinion here should probably be stated. Got nothing against jcornel, certainly won't flag him.. But I'd sure as hell prefer he go do this on blurt and not take from the HIVE market cap to add to the steem market cap.
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@manniman · (edited)
$0.02
Well.. There are only 60.000.000.000 TRX right? They promote a staking APP with 1% A DAY in germany atm. It's really Bitconnect like. But somehow exchanges are doing the dirty work for those kind of dirtbags. I understand every persons anger.

If we don't fight back everywhere, the bad guys will take over.
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@thatgermandude ·
Can you tell me the name of that app? For research purposes :3

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@beerlover ·
<div class='pull-right'>https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/beerlover/yiuU6bdf-beerlover20gives20BEER.gif<p><sup><a href='https://hive-engine.com/?p=market&t=BEER'>View or trade </a> <code>BEER</code>.</sup></p></div><center><br> <p>Hey @thatgermandude, here is a little bit of <code>BEER</code> from @manniman for you. Enjoy it!</p> <p>Learn how to <a href='https://peakd.com/beer/@beerlover/what-is-proof-of-stake-with-beer'>earn <b>FREE BEER</b> each day </a> by staking your <code>BEER</code>.</p> </center><div></div>
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@manniman ·
$0.02
https://youtu.be/wxakvzDWgYU

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@manniman ·
!BEER itโ€˜s everywhere 
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@mythcrusher ·
Great article, so I upvoted it... I am very disappointed that a lot of the people I respected here, like @enforcer48 who I used to respect, going after @cryptographic and accusing him of being an alt-account of @jrcornel. To top it all off, @frankbacon and myself got sucked into this mess, until we verified that we are not the same identity as those people.

The ironic thing about the people doing the accusing is that they criticize Steemit for being too centralized, and rightfully so, but are acting like the same kind of dictators that Justin Sun is.
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@enforcer48 ·
Never once did I ever accuse him of being an alt. 

Congratulations on not being able to read. 
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@frankbacon ·
irony? or psyops?

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@nealmcspadden ·
$1.45
https://media1.tenor.com/images/6f1413b87cd74c302c99ca29de3a1d0a/tenor.gif

Like a post? Upvote it. Don't like it? Downvote it.

Think a post is great but the author is a terrible human being? You can downvote that too.

It's a free internet.

... for now

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@abh12345 ·
> Think a post is great but the author is a terrible human being? You can downvote that too.

10-4!
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@azircon ·
and for that comment, Neal, you got yourself a fan!
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@cryptographic ·
>Like a post? Upvote it. Don't like it? Downvote it.<br>
Think a post is great but the author is a terrible human being? You can downvote that too.

You know, our common law tradition doesn't permit harming others. In the real world there are a lot of rocks, but they're not used to throw at other people you don't like. Downvoting represents an "institutional" rock to be thrown at people we don't like and therefore should not exist. Those who allow it to exist are just as guilty as those who indiscriminately throw it.

cc: @blocktrades @gtg @roelandp @good-karma @ausbitbank @steempress @anyx @steempeak @yabapmatt @pharesim @therealwolf @someguy123 @arcange @stoodkev @followbtcnews @emrebeyler @abit @ocd-witness @cervantes @aggroed @drakos @lukestokes.mhth @curie @quochuy @smooth.witness @mahdiyari @jesta @timcliff @leofinance @pfunk @holger80 @guiltyparties @threespeak @thecryptodrive @liondani @bhuz @deathwing @neoxian @actifit @engrave @steemitboard @jackmiller @klye @oflyhigh @bobinson @roomservice @innerhive @patrice @c0ff33a @kevinwong @enginewitty @fbslo @stem.witness @qurator @firepower @r0nd0n @nathanmars @ura-soul @apshamilton @dbuzz @bdcommunity @crowdwitness @cryptobrewmaster @hextech @dragosroua @satren @busy.witness @rotfl @cadawg @discovery-it @complexring @blue-witness @aizensou @b0y2k @steemychicken1 @blockbrothers @isnochys @fernandosoder @silversteem @reazuliqbal @tazi @cervisia @primersion @fyrst-witness @mintrawa @helo @furion @dmitrydao @jamzed @hagie @kristall97 @elindos @lootkit.witness @whiterosecoffee @veteranforcrypto @dpoll.witness @weedcash.network @pcste
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@klye ·
I've no idea what the hell is going on with this post or situation.. Who has a TL:DR;?
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@nealmcspadden ·
No, you're just wrong

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@nealmcspadden ·
$0.69
Just to be clear, I don't care what jondoe or jrcornell does with post rewards.  

I do want to make sure any crossposts to steem link back to leofinance at the top of the article saying something like "This post originally appeared at <link>"

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@acesontop ·
You've got yourself another fan for that.

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@nonameslefttouse ·
$0.15
https://youtu.be/MK6TXMsvgQg
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@oldtimer ·
$2.03
We need hodlers, authors, influencers, and investors.

But, but; let chase them away- moar money for us.

Beyond stupid. 


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@lucylin ·
$1.02
...Never get between a  ~~nasgul~~ the  midwit, and his avarice...
(they have a meltdown)

'They' hate it when the laws 'they' create are used not as _they_ intended.
The 'hate' is not because the law they made is shown to be a bag of shite - but because it illustrates their lack of intelligence to the rest of the world. (midwit, and weak ego seem to be synonymous).

Avarice definition: insatiable greed for riches, miserly desire to gain and hoard wealth. 
_(edit - known as _hodlers_ in the crypto world - a new phenomenon of the 21st century, where the ability to spell incorrectly is seen as a mark of being clever)_.
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@cryptographic ·
I just did it, and in a big way. 

Stay tuned. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
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@phgnomo ·
Are we still acting like children attacking users because they are also using the competition platform?

Really, haven't people realized how stupid that is?

Is like owning a grocery store and assaulting your costumer just because he also bought stuff on the shop next door...

Meanwhile, the competition is creating new ways to attract users instead of pushing them away...

I guess Hive is never gonna change....

And that is why eventually it will fail.
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@poshbot ·
https://twitter.com/joshpitt888/status/1368203760909058054
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@project.hope ·
Hi @edicted
We've decided to resteem and upvote this post to show our support to @jrcornel

It's very unfortunate what is happening to this user.

@project.hope team
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@revisesociology ·
$3.54
I'm not convinced johndoe is anything other than an alt account, the styles are both pretty similar despite what JR says on his JR discord private account.

The problem is he's got no way of proving it. 

I never thought his content was that interesting TBH, more relentless - he's one of the few people i've muted because I've long thought he's over rewarded and didn't need to keep seeing it. 

The tribalism does feel a bit odd in this age of cross-chain compatibility - but the whole Steem thing is deeply problematic in particular - given that posting to that chain is legitimising a centralised entity under the control of someone who has proved themselves to be a malicious actor. 

My view is that anyone supporting that chain (NB I do buy the JD is his alt account (JC, JD, even the initials are similar) is undermining the security of this chain by giving more money and power to one of the primary threats to it - namely Justin Sun, which makes 'nuking' their rewards on here legit. 

I do take your point about lack of dialogue, there is a distressing lack of that, but I think JC hit that PD button a bit too fast. 

Let's not forget that it's only rewards we are talking about here - and he's clearly doing OK for himself. He could easily just carry on posting and earn a decent amount from curation. 

Also, an upside to all this - now the Drama has started that's as clear a sign as any that Hive moon is just around the corner! 
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@jrcornel ·
$0.06
As I've said to you before. I'm not selling HIVE/LEO to buy STEEM. I've been powering it up for many months. I was moving steem from jrcornel to jondoe and moving hive from jondoe to jrcornel via Bittrex. If you look at the transfer sizes it clearly shows I was not dumping HIVE and LEO for STEEM. Yes JD is my alt account and perhaps I should have disclosed that it was mine long ago, though I have seen numerous people not disclose alt accounts, I didn't know that was a requirement like some are claiming. Sportsncoffee is absolutely not one of my accounts for the record.
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@revisesociology ·
I understand you, it's just painful to see the cross posting on Steem, especially with the size of your earnings, that's still a raw memory! 

I never paid any attention of the Sportsncoffee thing btw, that's news to me. 
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@rose98734 ·
I think part of the reason people are flagging him is that they're sore that his original instinct (that Steem would retain it's value) was correct. The Steem people have done a better job of marketing than the Hive people. Instead of witch hunts, people would do better to take a step back, work out why steem is outperforming and copy their strategy to outperform them in turn.
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@reonarudo ·
I understand you'd prefer a positive approach and I appreciate that. But I think the reason why Steem is still alive and kicking is the fact that there are traders willing to trade anything without regard for its value and also because Sun's ego won't allow it to die. I heard there still are Korean and Chinese people posting to Steem so I guess it has some network effect in place.

I don't care about Steem. I guess you could go and cross-post to milk some rewards, which in some cases might be worth effort because of SBD being so over-valued. But someone like myself who has no network or stake there cross-posting would be a waste of time.

Also, I get why people are salty after having lot's of $$$$ stolen from them. Selling HIVE and LEO to buy STEEM is not a class act after all that happened. But @jcornel's content was perfectly fine.

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@rose98734 ·
Marketing is the key to success for atls because of how many thousands of alts there are vying for attention.

Steem benefits from marketing. It benefits from matching steempower rewards with tron which trades on the major exchanges.

I've been puzzled that the Hive people haven't tried to get their coin on more exchanges - coinbase, kraken and so on. That is the key to gaining acceptance. The Tron guy understands this, but the anti-marketers of Hive don't.
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@scaredycatguide · (edited)
$0.19
Yeah, interesting situation for sure.  I never quite got the flag wars thing, if I'm not onboard with supporting someone I just don't vote them.   I suppose if someone and their friends have a big stake then they can still crush rewards, maybe that is where the flagging comes in.  

They should be used more as warning shots on one post if someone is acting in a negative light. 
Which is something that can be debated forever I suppose as who decides that right?  Wild dynamic.

Was around him in the early days of steem.  We used to interact in comments alot, he would comment but never really vote my stuff.  It honestly looked like he was in a whale circle jerk the first few years of steem, which good for him.  Sucks I couldn't get in on it lol.  

Never downvoted him, just vote stuff on rare occasion it gives me a gem of data since I never really got support for him, which technically is me being a little petty but not a reason to down vote.

Like you said, you don't have to be happy with what people do.  Its a dPOS system for a reason.  If people don't like it, stake up.  Become your own whale.  That's what I'm working toward :-)

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@abh12345 ·
$0.32
I too have had to watch whale circle jerking on Steem for years, because basically us small fry could do nothing about it - not even speak up without fear of being slammed.

Now we have some whales who aren't circle-jerking and are actually trying to mitigate it, the situation on Hive is so much better.

> ... he would comment but never really vote my stuff. It honestly looked like he was in a whale circle jerk...

You know when you have multiple accounts of your own to feed and need to vote those big players?

Yeah, comments only for you son!
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@scaredycatguide ·
Hahaha, that makes way more sense now!

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@ats-david ·
$0.03
> *"It honestly looked like he was in a whale circle jerk the first few years of steem..."*

It was called the "Steem Guild." I wrote a post about [my thoughts on guilds](https://peakd.com/steemit/@ats-david/on-guilds-and-managing-expectations) and that guild in particular. What they were doing was ridiculous and after Ned withdrew his stake from their controlled voting trail (after they had made themselves little whales with it), they just continued to vote for each other's garbage. Then, after they all acted like they were in it for the long-haul and one of them claiming he wasn't selling Steem "until $100"... they pretty much all left. This guy stuck around and kept doing the same thing.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them come back to "milk" some more.

It's sad to see that this kind of stuff still happens (and to be clear, it's NOT just this guy or that group). This has been holding back real content discovery and reward distribution for five years. It may just be the natural result of stake-weighted voting but it's certainly preventing the "best" or potentially most "viral" content from rising to the top and attracting attention. Instead we just get mundane and/or repetitive posts from the same people day after day, week after week. It's not promoted. It's not read. It's not bringing anyone in. It's just growing the wallets of *some* users. And it doesn't matter whether it's Leo, Hive, Steem, or any other community or platform.

Anyway...I certainly don't feel bad for him. He and his buddies were not only socializing their "costs" of curation on Steem, but they were also mostly dicks about it. And Ned didn't care either. They were handsomely over-rewarded for doing what every other user did. And when their milking train ran dry, they just left. There's nothing for them to cry about now. Just take your win and go.  

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@scaredycatguide ·
Man, can't believe how many years ago that was at this point.  Definitely a hefty sum was had.  

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@shtup ·
I don't think posting too often is really an issue here. Just don't reward posts that don't bring value to the platform. It's that simple. 

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@steemstreems ·
Yeah.  I'm not much of a downvoter anyway.  Maybe he is milking.  So what?

The real question to me is whether his posts are valuable to me and whether they fit into the constraints of LeoFinance parameters for posting.  If they do, and I like it, I will upvote. If I don't like it, I will just not upvote.  If it doesn't fit into the constraints I may report and or downvote, but I usually just pass on by.

If he is milking the chain, I don't have time in my day to be arsed about it.  Just me.

Disclaimer.  I may have not upvoted him often, but I know I have occasionally.  The posts that I did upvote, I at least thought worthy.  What he does with that upvote?  None of my damn business. 

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@scaredycatguide ·
Wise words there.

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@steemstreems ·
Thanks.  I have been told I am a wiseguy!  

Not in a complimentary way however :-)

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@stefano.massari ·
I read with interest

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@tarazkp ·
$1.66
I think after years of circlejerking, comment vote farming and the like - this kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated. What I find interesting is from what I have seen, there has been no apology or remorse, just blaming the likes of taskmaster posting a lot and me posting a lot when I started (and earned FA). Instead - full powerdown. I think that says a lot about what he thinks about the community - if the cash cow doesn't produce milk...
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@cryptographic ·
Might you please clearly outline your accusations in a coherent and understandable manner?

And then be so good as to allow the accused to defend him/herself?

What kind of behavior exactly are you referring to? What is your evidence to justify this lynching of another HIVE user?

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@ausbitbank ·
$1.42
Could you not tag me in stuff that has nothing to do with me. I'm not flagging jcornel ? Mass notification spam like this is likely to get you flagged
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@foxon ·
$0.58
You are comparing "being lynched" to "not getting paid for blogging on a particular blockchain"

Get help. That's nasty and unnecessary. People are entitled to being alive. They're not entitled to profit from blogging 
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@tarazkp ·
$1.64
Ah, you are one of the "spam tags" kind of people. 

There are plenty of things to read out there, it isn't my job to keep you informed. If you are interested in supporting him, you will find him over at Steem easily.
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@thatgermandude ·
This reminds me of the behavior of a certain other politics themed whale. Why does it always have to be the total exorcism with downvotes to zero? Why not just trim 50% if you think it is overvalued? I think non-radical downvoting might even help the hive ecosystem, but why does it always have to be live the juicy live or get killed.

Personally I just use Steem for different things. I shitpost there to not alienate the Lions on Leo and I got a few german friends there so it is mostly german. I was not part of the war, I just saw the aftermath but hive didn't gave me any good reason to sell my steem other than emotions. I did actually buy a little hive and LEO though.

I just grab popcorn and some stick bread to roast over the fires of this war. It is quite nostalgic to see such a shit show.



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@urun ·
After reading all comments thanks @edicted :D was really !popcorn :)

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@popcornexpress ·
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@urun ·
$0.07
it is like always, Hive has the personal flag problem.

Hive needs to end up with gov/gas token after this long spreading period and Smts need to replace rewards.

Otherwise, we will see stuff like this again more often.

I can agree if the content is not exclusive here and some copy and paste, there is a disagreement. But as long content has no advertisement revenue, it's always meh...


I think exclusive content is more worth, simply because it adds a reason to be here if I really like an author.

Flag to 0 sucks. So yeah random stuff.

Gov token + smts are the solutions. We had long enough a spreading period. The % from author/curation rewards can after smts go to some halving event with RC increase. Because pools would follow also after smts or before.

What do you think about this? Because the current system allows it.




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@edicted ·
Silly Protoss!  Fear the Swarm!  :D
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@urun ·
$0.04
Degen protoss a click grandmaster moves right? :D 2 forcefields = apm spike (20 apm to 25 apm).


Everyone that understands this, welcome nerd :D



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@violetmed ·
I've always valued @jrcornel 's posts! People are being childish. Hive is supposed to be a place where people are tolerant of all people...
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@winstonwolfe ·
$0.43
Holy shit! I didn't realize SBD was so high! I completely disregarded it after finding out what happened when Hive was born. I'm gonna go post some shit over there right now and bring it over here!!
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@edicted ·
I've been thinking about doing the same but... woof! 
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@winstonwolfe ·
$0.06
Hive is my home. And if thereโ€™s something like this that I can do to make my home richer, Iโ€™m going to do it.
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@hivecoffee ·
$0.03
I cannot in good conscience login to that centralized and censored scam masquerading as STEEM. Do not do this. Sell what you have and come over, but don't post on there. You cannot trust that chain any longer. Consensus broke, we had to fork it. Don't look back.
https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/darkflame/23x15EdRroS9QmTRCTRW5Sza7zQbNytrfRnq6gJjUspLNj2YUbnUL99WdkabAQ1pFsD1e.png

Posted Using [LeoFinance <sup>Beta</sup>](https://leofinance.io/@hivecoffee/re-winstonwolfe-8qwmt)
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@winstonwolfe · (edited)
I donโ€™t think I even really have anything over there. I was just gonna make what I can off the posts and then sell it for hive. Whatโ€™s funny is I didnโ€™t know about the takeover until after it happened, and then I went to steemit one day to take what I had out of it not realizing that it at all been fork-copied to hive before I did it. So to find the hive I had in my hive wallet was a pleasant surprise when I finally discovered it. I mean, I suppose I kind of understand why some people are upset, but I guess I just donโ€™t directly *feel* any real betrayal. Those kind of feelings donโ€™t come up until you start doing something like messing with my family. In fact, I kind of see siphoning crypto out of there and bringing it over here like a middle finger to steemit, which I guess is partly motivating me to want to do it.
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@winstonwolfe ·
I guess I still don't really see the problem here. It seems like he's making steem to convert and bring over to Hive. I've read many of the comments here explaining that it's a no-no, but I'm still not clicking with why it's bad. What am I missing?
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@yabapmatt ·
$6.42
I agree downvoting isn't really appropriate in this instance, but for me personally I don't want to support (upvote) anyone who supports Steem in any way. That includes buying/holding the STEEM token, or using the Steem platform. I understand it can be a "cash cow", and if people want to take advantage of that that's up to them, but I won't support them.

This isn't simply an issue of blockchain tribalism. The Steem community/leadership literally stole millions of dollars from people because they didn't like them. It's absolutely unconscionable and unforgivable and it reflects very poorly on anyone who uses it knowing what happened.
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@cryptographic ·
And nobody suggests you should support anyone you don't feel comfortable supporting.

But moving from that to forcing others to do as you would is another thing entirely.

This is very bad for HIVE. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, nor to see that downvoting needs to be eliminated - there will always be bullies and abusers, and if you give them the tool . . .
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@cryptographic · (edited)
I see you consistently upvoted @jrcornel, giving the impression that you valued his content. As you know, this group action, based on their own selective criteria which they know not how to express, has downvoted him to zero and basically ruined his existence here on HIVE. As such, I just wanted you to know what one core member of this community [had to say](https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@acidyo/re-cryptographic-qpjycm) about @jrcornel and ask if you still think itโ€™s appropriate not to come to his defence? Really come your own defence? Because not only was that said about him (and it's very representative of the group think, I might add), but it was also said about everyone who valued, curated and upvoted his content.

**Yes, thatโ€™s how they feel about you too.**

Best Regards

 

![TotalDisrespect.jpg](https://images.hive.blog/DQmRQuFc8Cei57ArutF7dfJZoLoLdMd4GiLK9MfHnbbZrH9/TotalDisrespect.jpg)
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@yabapmatt ·
$0.04
Not sure what I have to come to my defense for. Yes, I do like @jrcornel's work, but I don't want to support someone who supports Steem. That's all there is to it. It's just like if there was an artist or actor whose work I like but who supports something or does something that I am against, then I may choose not to support them and buy their work.

I stated in my original reply that I don't personally think he should be downvoted, but I don't see anything wrong with choosing not to support someone who supports an organization that stole millions of dollars from people I am close to (among other things).
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@jphamer1 · (edited)
$1.15
how about people who invested in Steem that have lost a lot of money, and want to HODL until the death or break even? This is my situation and whilst im HODLing i might as well use my stake and put it to good use. Im a betting man and i bet and predicted months ago that Steem price will pump this year and ill look for an exit. It looks right on course to me, decent volume, holding close to 50 cents and SBD pumping like crazy. It looks healthy, unlike Steem itself. Hive is healthy, the price and volume garbage. Go figure.
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@palasatenea ·
Agree with this, you can actually stop voting him but the flags aren't necessary imo.   
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@tarazkp ·
$1.26
This is the thing too - many of the people who have supported jrcornel since the start, had their Steem stolen -  yet it seems to have had no impact on him at all. You would think he would have had some limits considering that they had supported him for so long - but greed knows no bounds. 
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@cryptographic · (edited)
So you are the person to punish him? (Your name was dropped in the comments of his last post as one of the principles to speak to regarding why this is being done to @jrcornel - if you're not aware that others are dropping your name like that, take a look.)
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