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· @elfspice · (edited)
New information changes everything. Do not vote on this post. Call for expressions of interest in Calibrae Beta. Vote on this post to be counted.
# I have realised through a new idea that I have, that there is no need to filter user signups, one way or another. 
There is another, more difficult puzzle now to solve. How to stop an explosion of new accounts.

The simplest way is freemium method. Given enough time, a user can earn enough stake to lift the limits. The primary limit has to be they can't have stake delegated. In fact, this may really mean, that stake delegation should not exist.

I am thinking through this, and I will have a definitive answer in the next day. I will be posting as @calibrae about Calibrae from now on, and I will not be posting, or voting, as l0k1 or elfspice anymore.

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<div class="pull-right"><h1><img src="https://steemitimages.com/DQmPFawG1Bp227vPw7z1xHhUD4rwQXgoxKHYFNeMibWP6iN/calibrae-header.png" /></h1></div><div class="pull-left"><h1> In</h1></div><h4>&nbsp;</h4>the interests of reducing our workload, I have been asked to make a second post that we will grab the usernames automatically via votes on this post.

# If you want to be considered for joining the beta, and having your Steem account copied into the Genesis Blocks of Calibrae, vote for this post.

<br />(no need to vote at full power, payout is declined, 1% is enough).

I am moving on to knocking down each milestone I have specified in the proposed changes, first will be binary build, then rebrand, and then to the meat in the sandwich. I want to do what I can to get this thing moving forward faster, the sooner we have everything up and running, the sooner this community has its forum and the sooner we can prove that with our corrections, Steem's design will reign supreme as the decentralised, distributed, monetised social network.

The following users have already been noted as wanting to join the beta, one is a new account request, and another user has talked about requesting possibly two more also. Email me at louki.sumirniy.stalker@gmail.com if you have any similar specific requests.

@angelgarz @araksha @arthestically @beautifulbullies @benjojo @bentleycapital @bilbop @bleujay @blhz @brendanwenzel @buzzbeergeek @canadian-coconut @coindup @coinfund @cutencountry @davidbenjamin @domenicthomas @drpuffnstuff @ecoinstant @eirik @emble @feedroh @fiord18 @fitzgibbon @fleur @freebornangel @freebornsociety @fronttowardenemy @futuristgear @gigafart @guiltyparties @guttormf @happyme @helios @j3dy @jasmine-l @jbrukh @joeyknowsbest @juanmiguelsalas @justinashby @kenny-crane @kooshikoo @lavater @leilaa @leoplaw @libert @lunix @madstacks @meesterboom @munchell @nikflossus @ocrdu @onetree @paradise-found @paulag @petruska13 @por500bolos @prowebwriter @rebelmeow @reddragonfly @renate @robrigo @rondonson @ronmamita @roykattoussi @sabrin514 @sashin @shaunmza @skylineking88 @slavix @sornprar @sounddrgenie @steemitadventure @stimialiti @stylo @svamiva @theblindsquirl @themis @therealpaul @tommyquest @valued-customer @voluntary @xanoxt @xervantes @yoda1917 @zest

# Note about possible change in initial account data

After a good discussion with one of the dev team, I have decided to put forward the idea that all new accounts will have the same, baseline stake (equivalent to the 5 SP currently default in Steem), and a baseline reputation (which is 25 in Steem). This will allow the natural process of development of reputations and power within the platform, which will be the product of user interactions, as it should be.

### ~~We have a seasoned internet scam investigator who will be examining every applicant account and on his advice any dirtbags will be deleted from the list...~~
~~This task is now running on autopilot so we can get on with the important work of making this happen. Note that the investigator is compiling the exclusion list already, has compiled a lot of it already, and this list will be used to clean up the list, and bot voters will be removed... **automatically**~~

~~So any abuse of this process will not waste nearly as much time as abusive users will hope for.~~

#### If you want to help make sure all the nice people who follow you also join the beta, resteem as well.
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@acidyo ·
Can't be worse than Dawn, I guess. xD
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@elfspice ·
pretty sure dawn ended up spawning ark.io, after they kicked (or left) faddat behind.
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@ausbitbank · (edited)
$0.13
Since there's now a dirtbag clause, can you confirm if you will be allowing a certain dirtbag with his thousands of accounts obtained via fraud to join ? 

The guy that registered @calibrae hours ago so he could give it to you to suck up I assume .

That guy's going to prison real soon fyi, I wouldn't wanna be associated with him at all.

Upvoted to "apply" again, even though this is a pretty cheap tactic to gain votes and visibility that's completely useless as an actual application process since it'll be full of bots by payout time...
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@elfspice ·
$0.04
I am relying on well reputed other people to let me know about things I have no knowledge of. I believe I know which person you speak of, and I am wondering where the moral high ground is when pretty much all of us have benefited in some way from the preminer votes. I know you benefited immensely. I got about maybe 12k steem power from ned/xeldal/etc posts votes.

For this reason, I am altering a parameter of the new system, to have everyone start with the same reputation and stake, a beginner account.

It wasn't my idea to use votes as a counting method, I personally thought it was fine to just field comments. That turned out funny when @archange's bot auto-posted because of how many comments the post got.

It's a nasty little mess we are all in here, isn't it?

So, I am not going to open slather on this, but rather, make sure every possible bad actor mitigation system is included in the parameters of the new platform.

Today, I was invited to answer questions on a discord hangout. It made me realise that muting could have a negative effect on reputation as like a hold on some part of it, and if enough people mute someone, then they can become temporarily a zero reputation, and then they have to make amends.

So, I'm not 100% sure what to think now. I did a bad thing yesterday, flagging a sweet little russian lady who dropped a link in a discord chatroom. I felt very bad about it. If you recognise what you do wrong, then you should have a way to rebuild your reputation, within the confines of strict limits.

I am going to ask this person of what you speak, regarding prison. It sounds pretty serious to me what you say, and I have no way of knowing either way, and I'm not going to mediate on this either. The person in question has been putting some time and effort into helping with this so far, so they seem ok to me.

I have to think further about this. Maybe there is no need to be selective about who can join, just copy the whole user list as at 5th august. Everyone gets the same stake and reputation, and can use muting to suppress reputation. I think it could work out really well, actually.
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@igster ·
"For this reason, I am altering a parameter of the new system, to have everyone start with the same reputation and stake, a beginner account." - I like the idea. Might as well make the start as fair as possible. But will it be possible for people to create tons of accounts just to gain stake like some have done here in Steemit? They'd be the whales we have here today very fast.
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@noganoo ·
Every time I do something nice for someone you accuse me of "sucking up."  And the fact is you used to beg for my bot votes before you got delegated power.  I have nothing to gain from contributing to this project as there is no bounties being given.  I am helping because I believe this is a Steemit killer and I want to learn as much programming as I can from @elfspice and at the same time develop my current skills further and utilize my massive Facebook groups to promote a worthy project.  I will not even be receiving any coins in the airdrop as my accounts are well drained out and my reputation is destroyed.  You seem to be an extremely angry person, like your witness friends.  I ask that you please leave all of our former drama out of this new project.  And thank you for editing your comment and removing the part about my upcoming jail sentence.  (September 15th)  It was an a terrible mistake and I am sorry for it.  It will cost me 10,000 dollars in fines and probably a few months in jail.  That is quite enough punishment and I don't need to be ostracized on top of that.  I have not drank in 8 months now and I am just thankful nobody got hurt when I was driving drunk.  Thank you for your time.
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@berniesanders ·
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Oh, BTW, he was probably referring to your upcoming issues you're going to have due to the threat against Steemfest that is forever embedded in this blockchain for all to see.  I look forward to seeing the results of multiple people reporting you to the authorities.
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@nogalert · (edited)
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**If the post or comment above is visible to you, it should be flagged. This account is linked to bad Steemian(!) @noganoo.  Thank you for your cooperation.**
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@nogbot · (edited)
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- I say "sucking up" because just about everything you do is fake AF. You're still flagging krystle and others with your botnet while acting innocent and everyone with a clue sees straight through your act.
- I never once begged you for bot votes, it was annoying and spammy for very little $/SP and I can prove I've told you that multiple times .
- I never edited my comment about any upcoming jail sentence, you just announced that yourself. I was referring to you being reported for threatening steemfest as well as many individuals. 

- I'm not generally an angry person, I'm just blunt and cant stand manipulative lying cunts.

Have fun in prison!
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@bearbear613 ·
please add as well
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@elfspice ·
We are no longer doing anything with the steem blockchain. I have an RPC server I set to syncing 6 days ago and it's still far from catching up to 5th of august, let alone 8 days since then. 

If you want to keep up to date and join the discussion about what we are doing, come join the Calibrae forum:

http://calibrae.freeforums.net/

This is just an interim measure to help coordinate and focus the social group towards the project. We have people hunting developers to help us make it happen as soon as possible. 

Thanks for your interest, we hope we can build something that actually meets the needs of most people here, rather than strokes the egos of the small minority of in-group people. The design aims to produce a highly stable cryptocurrency, as well as a very resilient and trustworthy witness group, and there will be no ICO - development is entirely self funded though all donations are welcome.
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@bibleanarchist ·
I'm all in!
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@creativewoman ·
Count me in pls!
Thank you!
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@croat ·
Does this mean it's only for butthurt snowflakes who can't cope with facts @elfspice?

> We have a seasoned internet scam investigator who will be examining every applicant account and **on his advice any dirtbags will be deleted from the list...**
This task is now running on autopilot so we can get on with the important work of making this happen. Note that the investigator is compiling the exclusion list already, has compiled a lot of it already, and this list will be used to clean up the list, and bot voters will be removed... automatically
>
>So any abuse of this process will not waste nearly as much time as abusive users will hope for.
>
>If you want to help make sure all the nice people who follow you also join the beta, resteem as well.
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@voluntary ·
Who can't cope with facts?  https://steemit.com/steemitdev/@steemitdev/steem-blockchain-update-august-2017#@elfspice/re-steemitdev-steem-blockchain-update-august-2017-20170807t203318660z
👎  
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@croat ·
Lefty snowflakes who think Trump is terrible.
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@cryptologyx ·
Doesn't matter where I start from as long as you have a decent way of reforming the reformables...everybody deserves a second and third chance.

Kinda curious how we're going to keep the spamming hoards away. Maybe a giant hummingbird to swoop in and eat the filthy little buggers who refuse to conform...a la Monty Python. 

<center>![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmY3sDi9DAASK4264C5pAereGY9G9xCdFGdtT49z6Y4Qbw/image.png)</center>
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@elfspice ·
come join our forum, where no whales can flag your ass down and destroy your earnings, and where the only things we don't want are bad behaviour and trolling. http://calibrae.freeforums.net
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@drpuffnstuff ·
So we are all starting with the same stake on the new chain? Or will our stake still carry over? If we don't carry over any of it. then where would we buy calibrae to give ourselves some curating power? Sorry, I havent been following this as well as I should have. I will try harder, I'm sure these questions ahve been addressed aready so, sorry for asking
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@elfspice ·
$0.05
it has to be zero. too many big stake users who might join are corrupted as a cesspit. even ones that are mostly nice.
👍  ,
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@drpuffnstuff ·
well the lack of incentive kinda sucks even for the little guy like me haha! but I still support competition. I wish you the best of luck. I will be there and stay here and try to make this place better too. Whats the word on being able to buy in or buy more once it starts? Selling will come with the markets I know.. but being able to really curate and decide what is on the front page for once would be nice haha!
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@fiftysixnorth ·
His sounds like an interesting project. Please count me in as well.
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@fraenk ·
I'll have a taste of that, too!
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@gggreenhouse ·
I hope that registered this time.  I love the new hummingbird.  I could make a video with a hummingbird in it when the time comes.
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@elfspice ·
$0.09
if you voted, you will be considered :)

The bird is called Heliodoxa Jacula, Green crowned brilliant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-crowned_brilliant it is a native of Costa Rican highlands. 

This is a baby: 

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b2/a4/0d/b2a40d83ed791ff033b51b98232d0ffa--chris-delia-moustache.jpg

absolutely frickin gorgeous little critter. 

Just wanted to drop that so you know where to find the exact bird we have decided on (it might be one of the most beautiful birds in the world).

Notably, this bird usually does not actually fly when it sips on nectar, it usually tries to sit.
👍  , ,
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@gggreenhouse ·
I can't imagine how tinny that baby is.
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@valued-customer ·
That is a lovely pic.
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@greenlantern ·
Count me in!!
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@islander ·
Thank you - count me in!
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@jones420 ·
resteemed to 5000+ people :)
👍  
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@xervantes ·
Wow, that is an impressive number of followers.
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@jphenderson · (edited)
I'm all in! Let me know if I can help in any way.
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@jyezie ·
curious to learn more about what you offer. You had a lot of valid critics on Steem(it)
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@elfspice ·
$0.03
You mean 'critiques'? Yes, until I started to learn what a hell is working with the software, and learning how little steemit cared about developers. Before that I was offering up plenty of good suggestions. I eventually got to a point where I became furious with how absolutely disinterested they were, how focused only on their own wallets...
👍  ,
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@lumacadmelvin ·
Beta im in..
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@manishmike10 ·
Am in for this
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@nerdfury ·
Definitely interested!
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@patelincho ·
Cool , i im in !
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@progressivechef ·
Count me in man! Indeed very much needed!
Thanks for putting this up!
@progressivechef
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@reggaemuffin ·
$0.05
I may not agree with all your critique to steem, but I am respecting that you are doing the fork and some of your improvements are looking pretty good. Count me in if you want me in :) Happy to host a witness if some are needed.
👍  ,
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@elfspice ·
Witnesses are needed. We need 11 to operate the network, at minimum, according to what @xanoxt told me.

It may be a while before I have the binaries built, and we need to rebrand the front end. But, I don't think that will take long. There is some decent chances that amongst the Bulgarians I am friends with, someone knows people, and there is also folks working on getting funding to pay for the work. 

Most of the changes are deletes, or massive simplification, so I hope that means it won't take as long to do. I am supposed to be working on some scripts to build the server so that it can be run on windows, linux or macos, with very little work. Specifically also I will be writing a script to automate configuration. Yeah. I know you are a witness. I know you did half that work for yourself. It won't be needed for Calibrae.
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@rideofpassion ·
@elfspice - Count me in ... You have advised me on many occasions, I will surely help u out with this..... Thanks a lot
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@ronmamita ·
$0.02
I noticed a photo-realistic hummingbird for this post, I was confused because the bird is facing the opposite direction now.
Will you @elfspice be changing your avatar too?
Resteeming, wishing more eyeballs see and share &#x1f44d;
👍  
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@elfspice ·
Yes, once the artist has finished with matting that photo and creating typography to go with it. It's much nicer, don't you think?
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@por500bolos ·
Oh! bummer.. I was expecting a Tucusito more like this below for the final Calibrae Logo!! }:)
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@sakhone ·
I'm in 😊 The picture is beautiful too @elfspice just give you up vote
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@elfspice · (edited)
We have an artist who is turning this into the logo image as I type this. This little bird is quite a gem, isn't it? It's called the Green Crowned Brilliant Hummingbird, *Heliodoxa Jacula*, and this photo, which I checked to make sure, is free to reuse and modify.

The name of the project is based on the russian and bulgarian word for humming bird, Kolibri, and it is pronounced the exact same way (ae is pronounced like ee, the russian/bulgarian way of pronouncing the letter i, and the russian pronunciation of 'o' is the same as english 'a')
👍  
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@sandzat ·
Count me in on the beta too. And good luck to you!
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@shrey ·
I am in :) Nice work guys :)
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@slavix · (edited)
Wow this post got whale wacked by @thejohalfiles and now  is hidden due to low rating.
Looks like the same happened to your other posts..
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@steemcore ·
count me in
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@steempowerpics · (edited)
@elfspice, just to be clear, this duplicates our account over to the new Calibr.ae platform and token -- and leaves our steemit account intact as-is, correct?

*edit- thank you for coming over for the voice chat. That helped clear a lot of things up for everyone there.*

upvoted - I will be a part of the beta, it will be cool to see how this evolves.
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@calibrae ·
Every migrated account will start at steem standard initial account, about 5SP (equivalent in Stake) and reputation at 25.
👍  ,
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@elfspice ·
After some quite serious statements from ausbitbank, I am thinking there is no need to even filter anyone. Let the mechanisms work. Bots can be ignored into silence. Trolls can be ignored and downvoted into silence. I am going to just copy the whole user database, I thtink.
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@stimialiti · (edited)
So should I vote or not on this? The title is self contradictory.  
Resetting all users there to new users may be your only good decision.  
And I thought other people here started with more than my 5.  
I see new accounts with over 20 SP out of the box.

Regarding bots:  cheetah is a good idea, it just needs to be more downvote oriented.  
There may be more good ones.  
goodbot for example tracks serial abusers of introduce yourself.  
Steemitboard can be bared as well.
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@sumowrestler ·
I'm in - resteemed.
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@ticopurelife ·
I'm willing to join...great brains working together!
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@varunsangwan · (edited)
Count me in. And the logo is really beautiful
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@walterz ·
$0.10
Count me in
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