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PWR Update: Increasing the HIVE - PWR APR up to 15% (x3) and how to get the most from it. by empoderat

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· @empoderat · (edited)
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PWR Update: Increasing the HIVE - PWR APR up to 15% (x3) and how to get the most from it.
I've been thinking about it for a couple of days and the more I think about it the better idea I think it is.

and that's it, just like that...

**SWAP.HIVE -  PWR Pool APR has been increased up to 15%.**


![apr15.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/empoderat/23uRG5ftNrEt2oYXW2F4RanSTAGDofJ2TN6au1q4pbdmUDsa7A6HeBC3JksfhHq2U7fDN.png)


and if you were wondering why, let me tell you that there are several good reasons to do so.

### Giving more incentives for LPs Vs 'plain selling'

As explained in the first post, when I first introduced Hive Power Ventures, when you receive your PWR you basically have 3 options; selling, LP'ing, or holding.

**Selling** is the best for short-term profits (but you're losing out long-term if/when PWR starts paying dividends in 1-2 years).

If you **Hold** it's exactly the opposite, you're missing out on realizing short-term gains in exchange for a hypothetically future 'boosted' APR.

Then there's the middle ground, which is **Adding liquidity to the Pool**; where you have again 2 ways of doing so (with a wide range of grays):

1) **Pairing your PWR with 'outside' HIVE**, which is an 'oke' solution since you're keeping most of your  PWR if not all, but the downside is that requires 'extra' investment.

2) **Selling 50% of your PWR for HIVE** and cycle both parts (50 hive/50 pwr) into the pool. It's no secret this is one of my favored options since it has the best of both worlds: You're realizing profits, you're getting almost the best possible APR, and all of this without the need to keep adding HIVE. 

However, if you think about it, option 1 feels a bit weaker Vs option 2 when you have to consider that  Hive has to come somewhere, and the cost of opportunity is already huge vs. HIVE in staked form. 5% APR it's just not enough IMHO.

This is where the 15% APR comes into the scene. At 15% there's a huge incentive to put outside HIVE (that did not exist before) which levels the playing field when deciding how to individually manage the LP. 

In the end, it's all about balancing incentives between all the available options.


![pendulo.jpeg](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/empoderat/23t74Zj1BeCV7Q7uz7U1Nazu2mDcKZvNBSKWTGWEz3ijKUpb1yA4fGxvm5xeYG21afaEE.jpeg)

### Sustainability & Calculations

It is likely that this abrupt change will make more than one of you wonder about sustainability, and I understand, after all, it is of the utmost importance.

Let's run some basic numbers:

Keeping the pool at 15% APR with this level of liquidity **will require 1600 PWR over the year**. 

With +250K HIVE Power (conservatively) delegated to empo.voter,  **4100 PWR will be distributed over the first month at 20% APR**. 

4100 a month is ~136/daily.  That means that **paying a 15% APR for an entire year (to current liquidity) is equivalent to ~11,75 days of delegation rewards or less than two weeks**.

In other words, the impact of increasing the APR of the pool is the same as that of a bucket of water on the beach.

In addition:


![addition.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/empoderat/23tSwyUMuZzNGGxxjUmDoszJJdEojpvXBMCyCr44tQRquEBYpUoLPhmvLTN83v3LmtYUY.png)

Since the management account is the current top  LP, most of the rewards from the pool will flow back to the project for quite some time (95.44% as I write these lines to be precise).

If the size of the pool were to suddenly double in depth; great, we now potentially have a 20K HIVE LP (10K HIVE + 10K PWR; *assuming 1:1 peg*), where the management account still owns 50% and a 7,5% APR would be paid between all LP's.  

Signed it every day. (O ''*lo firmaba cada día de la semana*'' as we would say in spanish).

And all of this by the way could not happen until the second month at the earliest, as there simply aren't enough tokens in existence.

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I think that's it for today. 

I would like to thank again all the delegators for their trust and confidence.  And also to say that I am very happy with the reception that this little project is receiving. 

Now it's my turn to be a little Rattata (as I usually don't ask for witness votes, it makes me feel like a beggar in the bad sense). 

But If you're enjoying what I'm doing, a witness vote would be very appreciated (hehe).

https://vote.hive.uno/@empo.witness


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@alokkumar121 ·
Hope I am not late to join. I did some hp delegation today. 
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@dalz ·
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Ok, so good thing I put some LP there, and in general that is my plan for the payouts. 
One of the simple question I have been thinking about, and you have probably answer it in your initial posts, is how will PWR hold its soft peg. I guess it will be from curation rewards, but then how will this be approached? Do you have any system how much is powered down? Is there reserves somewhere etc...
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@empoderat ·
As you said, from curation rewards.

empo.voter will start a power down soon --> hive will go to @empo (the management account). 

From there it's fairly simple:

A huge % will be powered up.
The remaining % will be used to hold peg/add liquidity. 

I don't have any concrete % because it all depends (if the price is already on peg or very close, most if not all Hive will be powered up), conservatively speaking I assume that the price of PWR will have to come down a bit once some delegators start selling. (0,85-0.9 would be a 'sweet' spot). 

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@dalz ·
As the initial supply is low, the price cant move much, but I guess after a year or two, if someone big exits fast, can push it down a lot, say 50% or more in a short period of time .... the market should be then confident that a cushion will be provided and it will go up from there to 0.9 or more ... once enough of these test are survived and confidence increases, users will start arb it them self, making it easy for you
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@hoosie · (edited)
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Its great to see the project evolving already - that certainly makes the pools quite attractive !  So I've added what I've earned so far to the pool !
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@empoderat ·
That's the spirit ;) 

thanks for the support hoosie 
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@ojsuarez2 ·
buen post!!!seria bueno escribir un abc para novatos
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@empoderat ·
Qué parte del post no entiendes, afina y te ayudo 😉
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@resiliencia ·
Rewarding liquidity is essential for the health of the project!
Good decision.
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@empoderat ·
Just saw that you added liquidity. Welcome to the LP club :) 
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@roleerob ·
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Very good @empoderat!

In a vote of confidence, I have doubled my delegation.  And ...  I have put 3 of my PWR to work in the LP.  I have very little experience with these Hive Engine LPs, so ...  Guess I will find out how the rewards are paid out.
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@empoderat ·
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Thank you, sir! 

The best thing is to try it and experience it by yourself if you're feeling comfortable or not. Rewards are paid once a day.
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@roleerob ·
Okay, thank you for the response.  I will look forward to experiencing it! 🙂  And go from there ... 😉
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@roleerob ·
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After a few days of participating, an update @empoderat:


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As we both know, this peg is not "real" until such time as you or I (or anyone) can actually exchange the PWR we are receiving (for our HP delegation) into HIVE.  Until then, this token will have the same "Hotel California" feel to it that most every other Hive Engine token has ...  The $$s we see on our screens is just MIM (**M**agic **I**nternet **M**oney) which is not real ...

So ...

I would encourage you, in future update posts, to focus in on how the highlighted portion of your post above is going.  How you personally see it, projections on when you anticipate the next "milestone" to be reached in its "maturing," etc.  However you deem it best to report on it, as without it ...  Well, I am sure you understand my point.

In the meantime, I am doing my small part.  Just compounded another bit of PWR / HIVE into the LP ...

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P.S. FWIW, while I am familiar with your account name, I am unfamiliar with engaging with you personally.  I am "here" due to the recommendation of someone with whom I have established some trust over time.




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