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Revitalizing Beem - Call for feedback by emrebeyler

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· @emrebeyler · (edited)
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Revitalizing Beem - Call for feedback
I'm planning to fork  [Beem](https://github.com/holgern/beem) and maintain it with proper documentation and unit-test coverage. I'll also address current known bugs, and update the library as HIVE RPC APIs progress and release more updates in the future.

However, I want to understand the current problems users having. I see a lot of complaints that it's not maintained. It's understandable, but there is no exact definition of the problems about what did you try, what went south, and so on.

So, if you're using Beem, please let me know in the comments. And if you're using Beem and having bugs, or have feature requests, also include in the comment. 

Before working on that, I want to learn if there is still a user base trying to work with it. I personally use Beem in a couple of scripts, and they're working fine in general, however, my use case is limited, as %90 of my work flow is handled by Lighthive.

You might wonder what will happen to [Lighthive](https://github.com/emre/lighthive)? It will stay the same. By design it's a simple library and don't have much encapsulation, classes, helpers like Beem. 

It's a trade-off between usability and complexity, so Lighthive will stay there and maintained as is for power-users, while Beem will be more user-friendly starting point for less experienced people in the programming.

Also open to any collabration for maintaining it, but this is a topic brought before - it seems we need one person to take the first step for active maintenance, then the contributions will follow.

*TL;DR:*
1) Please reply in the comments if you're using Beem
2) Please explain the current problems you have with Beem.
3) Please explain the feature ideas for Beem.
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@analealsuarez ·
Hello I want to inform you that I gave you my support with my vote, good luck.
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@analealsuarez ·
Hello I want to inform you that I gave you my support with my vote, I hope you solve your problem and stay in the top 20.
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@analealsuarez ·
Greetings, I just voted for you, I hope you overcome that problem and stay in the top 20.
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@ausbitbank ·
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I still have a lightweight api at https://api.ausbit.dev running, with a lot of the calls using beem. Still works for my purposes :)
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@emrebeyler ·
looking sharp!
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@bozz ·
I recently started to learn Python and I have been using Beem quite a bit.  I have a small github page that I am putting code into.  It's simple stuff, but we have to start somewhere.  My most recent project was trying to pull historic HP values from the chain for example, my HP staked 30 days ago, 60 days ago, 120 days ago etc.  But I couldn't get it to work properly and the documentation and support was spotty.  I just joined the Beem Discord server and I have a different question in there that I didn't see in the docs.  
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@brianoflondon ·
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I'm using Beem all over the place across my various projects as well as the Lighthive library.

I'll be happy to help out and I think this project is very important and deserves root support. I'm really not experienced at publishing real libraries like this so I'll be happy to learn some of that side of it with you.

When I have more time I'll talk to you direct about specifics of Beem but for now its mostly working.
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@emrebeyler ·
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Thanks Brian!
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@brianoflondon ·
👍<div><a href="https://engage.hivechain.app">![](https://i.imgur.com/XsrNmcl.png)</a></div>
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@brianoflondon ·
I just want to drop this here

https://github.com/holgern/beem/compare/master...brianoflondon:beem:master

I've been using this version of Beem forked from Holgren's with a couple of tiny fixes. It seems to work.

I know there is this one on GitLab which I'm not sure what the state of it is.

https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/beem

What would be nice if we can't get Holgren's repo back is to at least have a new version BeemAgain or something on PyPy.
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@eddiespino ·
I'm not a dev, but I know that some of my friends on Hive that are developers use it. SO this will be very helpful.
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@emrebeyler ·
Thanks Eddie.
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@eniolw ·
I'm using Beem in several projects, too. It works fine. I remember I have gotten bugs but I solved them somehow and now I don't remember much. I'll report new issues when I come across them. Great initiative.
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@felixxx ·
1:
- I got one active script using beem right now. 

2:
- It is nearly impossible to install it on windows (because wheel [solution is to install .net env, as that installs an obscure JS lib and then wheel works]), and it takes some special moves to make it work under ubuntu (manually install openssh and edit the config)
- To use some functions, I have to open the whole lib on github and then crosscheck through all sorts of modules scattered **everywhere** to find out what's actually happening under the hood.

3:
- documentation is great in some places, non existing in some spots, though.

___

I owe a lot to beem. I learned a good chunk of what I know now by using beem (and piston) for years. It helped me understand hive api in general.
It's great for newbies to get something off the ground quickly, but once you need something unusual, it's WAY too complicated for a noob to analyze, alter or even read.
I am moving away from Python in general and I use JS now.
I'll always use a lib to sign txs, but if I can, I will write my own curl/fetch from now on. 

The thing that makes beem great is also its biggest problem: It's doing too much.
Some things are super easy and comfortable, but as I said, when you try something unexpected, it becomes very painful. big dilemma.

From my experience being a total noob to even Python, I'd say, what it needs most, is someone who knows it well to be there and reply to noobies.

Example: tried beem to post a post. Posting is a method of the Hive object. Looked for 10 hours, could not find out, how to publish a root post, because I was looking all over the Comment class.

I could go on and on... 
If the fix was easy, I would have tried it.
It's probably well engineered, and probably top notch.
The people who can read through that massive lib and analyze what's going on, probably don't need it to be this complex in the first place.

Dunno how else to describe this... It's when a pro coder writes something designed for noobs and forgets that a noob is NEW, and wouldn't have to use it, if he knew what was going on in the first place.

___ 

I will help in any way I can. Be that via votes, testing, feedback, whatever.
What I would like to see most would be to have a tag on Hive and even a Discord just so people can talk about it and help each other out.
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@emrebeyler ·
Thanks for the detailed answer, noted.🙏
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@themarkymark ·
> It is nearly impossible to install it on windows (because wheel [solution is to install .net env, as that installs an obscure JS lib and then wheel works]), and it takes some special moves to make it work under ubuntu (manually install openssh and edit the config)

Installing on Windows isn't that bad, could be better but it is definately doable.  The first time was a pain though.

> Example: tried beem to post a post. Posting is a method of the Hive object. Looked for 10 hours, could not find out, how to publish a root post, because I was looking all over the Comment class.

hive.post(title, body, author)
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@felixxx · (edited)
I am trying to help improve beem and not show off how cool I am.

- Installing beem on Windows out of the box does not work. 
- While there is a Class Comment() that covers everything around posts, actually posting a root post is somehow a method of the Hive() Object.

These are difficulties with beem, that should be adressed.
All you contributed was: It isn't that bad; I figured it out, lol.
Guess what: I also figured it out.

Maybe we could get people to build things and explore the 3rd party libraries if it wasn't for this toxic know-it-all attitude, which just serves as gatekeeping.

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@glimpsytips ·
Me too thought to properly manage the beem (at least documentation n installation) cause libraries stuff is still big for me. 
U took the first step. Will try my best to get involved somehow. Always remember that oldies who were just making a lot because of no competition will always shun new comers cause their time will come to an end because of real talented workers. N beware of under the table tactics. Cause the ones who were famous wdout any talent n work will always turn ur enemies n will find ways to pull ur legs in ways u wont imagine.
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@gtg ·
Just to make sure that you are aware of existence of [HELpy](https://gitlab.syncad.com/hive/helpy) which beem (or similar projects) could make use of.
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@hivecuba ·
We use Beem for some scripts and it's working fine. Although it could help to have a better documentation and more features like preprocessing some blockchain information for the current amount of delegation to/from an account for example.  
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@emrebeyler ·
$0.09
Thanks hivecuba. Incoming delegations should be easy afaik, I need to check the outgoing delegations, though. Last time I checked it was tricky in RPC level.
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@hivetrending ·
$0.16
I use beem.

GitHub shows holgern active in other repos a few months ago. It might be worth attempting to get in touch to see if he will make you a maintainer on the Beem repo.
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@emrebeyler ·
$0.14
Tried reaching out 3x times, no luck. If you know anybody have a contact, that would be good to use the same name.
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@hivetrending ·
Unfortunately I don’t have a contact. 

Thanks for stepping up to resolve this. Having a robust Python library is importing for the Hive network. You may even consider requesting DHF funding.
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@felixxx ·
You def. can get in touch and he will reply.
He made an official statement about that before he left.
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@emrebeyler ·
I could not get a response from him in emails. 
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@themarkymark ·
He has no interest. 
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@incublus ·
$0.82
I don't use Beem, but I have many friends who use it on Hive and they are happy with it. If you are planning an enhancement to it, that would be great. 
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@lemouth ·
I am using quite a lot for many scripts inherent to STEMsocial. So far, the features I need are (still?) supported.
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@leydeatraccionkm ·
Holaaaa!!! te vote como testigo exito
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@michelmake ·
$0.80
Coincidentally I started using it for the first time yesterday in some scripts. But I'm a complete beginner on this front and never used Lighthive. 
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@emrebeyler ·
$0.08
Hoi Michel,

Het is leuk. Welkom bij HIVE ecosysteem. 

Give it a shot and let me know :) Beem is more beginner-friendly though.
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@michelmake · (edited)
Thanks! Ik ben geen expert en nog zeker aan het leren hier. Tips zijn dus altijd welkom.

I'm working on a similar regular update like Steevc's [Britlist posts](https://ecency.com/hive-133987/@steevc/the-brit-list-december-2023). I use it there mainly. You'll see the post once I figured it all out I'm sure :)

I've also started a witness recently, in case you want to support me 🤓
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@michelmake ·
Hey Emre, I've been tinkering with beem a bit more and have been goin through the documentation. If you start working on that, perhaps a quick find/replace on steem would be good :) 
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@pizzabot ·
<center>PIZZA!
 The Hive.Pizza team manually curated this post.

<sub>You can now send $PIZZA tips in <a href="https://discord.gg/hivepizza">Discord</a> via tip.cc!</sub></center>
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@quekery ·
$0.30
I use Beem and hiveengine from holger for a lot of scripts, but I'm no pro. It would be great to improve both libs. Some of the problems were already mentioned in the comments.

The automatically node switching is a cool feature for beginners, but you can't change the node list.

The get_reblogs_by method of the comment module is broken. But it is just a small error. But it is hard for noobs to find this error. The key word account is causing the error. 

https://github.com/holgern/beem/blob/master/beem/comment.py#L620

In the the hiveengine lib are tons of errors and missing methods. I can make you a list of problems I had with this lib if you want.
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@emrebeyler ·
> In the the hiveengine lib are tons of errors and missing methods. I can make you a list of problems I had with this lib if you want.

That would be perfect, don't need much detail. Once the new repository up, you can open tickets directly.
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@steevc ·
$0.14
I use it for some personal scripts and it's mostly working fine. Would be great to have it actively maintained. I think @slobbercops found a bug recently that I looked at with him. I'm sure you'll get support for working on it. We need good tools.
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@emrebeyler ·
$0.04
Thanks steevc, good to hear. What do you use it for if you don't mind answering. Good luck on your next run :)
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@steevc ·
I use it for the @proofofbrian bot and for generating the #britlist. I would like to try some other things some time.
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@steven-patrick ·
$0.16
I followed Beem link which took me to github 😅 thats when I immediately knew I was in over my head lol not a user
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@emrebeyler ·
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@themarkymark · (edited)
> Please reply in the comments if you're using Beem

I do, a lot.

> Please explain the current problems you have with Beem.

1) Openssl error requires turning on legacy algorithms to get it to install.  
2) A lot of helper functions don't work any more, like vote/downvote % are off
3) Doesn't support Hive Engine, his Hive Engine module is abandoned as well although I just use a very simple wrapper for Hive Engine.
4) Lots of STEEM code still in it.  Could be gutted.

Most things work, and it's in a more usable state than any other library, but it's abandonware at this point.

> Please explain the feature ideas for Beem.

1) Hive Engine support

I am curious though, how does Lighthive differ from Beem? I assume outside of how you interact with it, it is mostly the helper functions?  Is it worth digging into Beem rather than making Lighthive better?

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@emrebeyler ·
The main difference between Lighthive and Beem is Lighthive being light. It's by design, does not interrupt much between user and the API.

If you're beginner and try to use Lighthive, then things might be challenging. You need to know which RPC request gets what kind of parameters.

E.g:

Let's say you want to get a list of top100 witnesses:

Lighthive user's workflow:
1) Check [devportal](https://developers.hive.io/)
2) Find `get_witnesses_by_vote` by navigating through.
3) Find out the parameters it can take, and fill the request.

```
from lighthive.client import Client

witness_list = client('condenser_api').get_witnesses_by_vote(None, 100)

print(witness_list)
```

Beem user's workflow:
1) Check Beem documentation
2) Find the related [helper class](https://beem.readthedocs.io/en/latest/beem.witness.html#beem.witness.WitnessesObject)
3) Profit.

```
>>> from beem.witness import WitnessesRankedByVote
>>> WitnessesRankedByVote(limit=100)
<WitnessesRankedByVote >
```

You see it's more beginner friendly. Or think about people with limited programming skills, our have good programming skills but a new-comer to HIVE ecosystem, it's not very convenient to use lighthive on that case.

# Is it worth digging into Beem rather than making Lighthive better?

Again, it's a trade-off by design. Of course there is always a room for improvement for Lighthive, but both Beem and Lighthive have a very different path and a different user audience.
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@themarkymark ·
Why not just make helper functions for lighthive?
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@tibfox ·
$0.19
I am using Beem for several things from root posting, commenting, transfers, following, and such. All of them are working fine but from time to time the documentation is holding me back from using it in more scripts or I even switched to other languages to fix issues. For querying data like delegations, blogs, and all of this I have switched to Hivesql which is not a good sign. hivesql could be subscription-based sometime in the future and I would like to do all the querying via Beem if possible. Honestly, I don't remember the issues unfortunately but I had issues and had to fix them quickly. An actively maintained lib and a more active discord could have saved me from these steps many times. 

Thank you for planning to maintain this important piece of our dev life! 
👍  ,
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