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What's your preference regarding the airdrop proposals?
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There are three ongoing proposals to decide about the secondary airdrop. 

Quoting from @hiveio's [announcement post](https://hive.blog/hiveblockchain/@hiveio/secondary-airdrop-proposal-info-community-voting).

- ***Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters.***
https://peakd.com/hiveblockchain/@hiveio/hive-secondary-airdrop-individual-voters
    - By voting for this proposal, you are voting to airdrop Hive funds (mirrored to Steem balance snapshot) to individual voters who chose to vote directly for 2 or more sock puppet witnesses on Steem in the time leading up to the Hive hardfork


- ***Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Proxied Voters.***
https://peakd.com/hiveblockchain/@hiveio/hive-secondary-airdrop-proxied-voters 
    - By voting for this proposal, you are voting to airdrop Hive funds (mirrored to Steem balance snapshot) to voters who were proxied to accounts which voted for 2 or more sock puppet witnesses on Steem in the time leading up to the Hive hardfork


- ***Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.***
https://peakd.com/hiveblockchain/@hiveio/hive-secondary-airdrop-no-additional-airdrops
    - By voting for this proposal, you are voting ***against*** airdropping Hive funds to any account that is being considered by the community for a secondary drop. This proposal shows support for continuing forward with the distribution that was established during the first block of the Hive blockchain, and for not changing or adding any new airdrops going forwards.
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What's your preference? Which proposal do you support? Please vote on dPoll interface (Keychain is also supported) so that we can analyze the data better in the result layout.

I allowed multiple choice selection for this poll, since it's also possible with the hive dao propoosals.

*Note: This is just a personal poll and won't be used to decide anything. If you want to make sure your vote is counted, go and vote on these proposals directly.*

***

*Answer the question at [dpoll.io](https://dpoll.io/detail/@emrebeyler/whats-your-preference-regarding-the-airdrop-proposals/).*
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@abbak7 · 
Voted for 
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@actnearn · 
Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.

dont kill hive by bringing such nonsense proposals of airdrops of entitlement.
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@akdx · 
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@angel33 · 
I like this
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@badpupper · 
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  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@bashadow · 
i prefer no more air drops. It is time to finally cut the last remaining strings, and move on. 

If there was a proposal to air drop to people that had powered down steem, or purchased Hive, so they could participate in Hive, then I would have to think about that one. But these ones are a no-brainer for me, no air drops.

People that were excluded have had six weeks to show some sort of action to support Hive Block Chain. If, as I said above they have taken no action, then I see them as individuals looking for a free ticket.
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@bbrewer · 
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  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Proxied Voters.
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@emrebeyler · 
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@razorwave8 · 
Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters should be airdropped to these accounts . 
If anyone believes in freedom they should understand the right to a free vote without punishment . 
Here is an example in the united States people are receiving $1200 
If the United States did like Hive then everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton should not receive the $1200
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@erica005 · 
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@eturnerx · 
DV - Rewards disagreement. This is a worthy poll of course, just not for this level of rewards. Thanks for drawing attention to the proposals.
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@emrebeyler · 
๐Ÿคš
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@fbslo · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@forykw · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters
 - Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Proxied Voters.
 - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.


WFT... this makes no sense either ways...
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@fredkese · 
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@hellene8 · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.


This choice is based on the possibility of the excluded members who can write a proposal and support their cases and us voting individually for each case submitted by the respective users.
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@hellene8 · 
also voted for **Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.**
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@jeffjagoe · 
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@maxer27 · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@novacadian · 
That such a situation has arisen is shameful. Such karma will be the doom of this project which was based on fear of loosing power by the *V.22.2 Cabal*, not more decentralization.

Show me the decentralization that was the fork narrative. Splitting Sun's stake evenly to all accounts over minnow status may have helped; something the *Cabal* would not likely support.


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@eturnerx · 
The ninja mine going to the DHF, given the size of it, immediately created a somewhat flatter distribution of HP - if that's your measure of decentralisation.
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@onthewayout · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.


I would prefer to grant airdrops on a case by case basis.
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@razorwave8 · 
Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters should be airdropped to these accounts . 
If anyone believes in freedom they should understand the right to a free vote without punishment . 
Here is an example in the united States people are receiving $1200 
If the United States did like Hive then everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton should not receive the $1200
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@onthewayout · (edited)
This is the main disagreement between us. It comes from a misunderstandig about what an airdrop is. You believe that everyone is entitled to receive free money. But that is not how airdrops work. For example, when Byteball [did an airdrop for steem users](https://peakd.com/steemit/@punqtured/official-byteball-airdrop-to-steemians) all the accounts had to perform certain actions and the amount received depended on their reputation but nobody complained that they were being punished.

Hive is a new chain and the conditions to receive an airdrop was to not vote for two or more of Justin Sun's witnesses (directly or via proxy) if you had >1k SP. The coins were a gift and *nobody has the right to receive a gift*. That is what a gift is.

The argument that people were punished is absurd because nothing was taken away from them...they just did not receive a gift. Maybe there feelings were hurt and that is too bad. I am willing to vote for individual proposals that can convince me that they made a mistake and it wasn't their intention to help Tron takeover Steem.

The hypotetichal Hillary Clinton analogy that you are using is a very bad one because ***not everyone is entitled to receive the relief package***...so even that has conditions.
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@phage93 · (edited)
Voted for

- Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@phusionphil · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.


Fuck justin sun
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@phusionphil · 
#nomoreairdrops I support #103

Vote for decentralization, vote against air dropping to the puppets who played friendly with Justin Sun and the idiot ethics he was taught by Jack Ma.
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@steemvpn · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@thethoughtpolice · 
Voted for 
  - Hive Secondary Airdrop: No Additional Airdrops.
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@thoughts-in-time · 
<div class=text-justify>

Voted for

- Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters.
- Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Proxied Voters.

-------------------

<center><H3>This is why...</H3></center>

The 300 individuals excluded from the airdrop voted for a witness or a proxy. This action is openly encouraged on the blockchain by all witnesses. Some of them may have voted for a proxy months before Sun even arrived on the scene. Some may have voted for a proxy because the proxy said they were against downvotes. Some may have voted for an individual or proxy without much thought because someone said: "vote for the top 20 witnesses." Some may have been intentionally forcing a stalemate so that cooler heads would prevail (to avoid a chain split).

There is a myriad of reasons why people vote for the witnesses they select. Many people had strong opinions about the community witnesses and or Justin Sun. It should never be a witness's job to judge who an account voted for witness. Seeing as how the blockchain is flawed and dPoS and decentralization cannot live together peacefully in perpetuity, it forces the people controlling the chain to make tough decisions that violate one or more of the contradicting tenants of the blockchain.

In this case, it was very clear that JS may have been intent on breaking decentralization. I only say may because we don't know what would have happened if we didn't freeze his newly acquired assets. That said, omitting STINC and the astroturf socks from the new chain was reasonable.

Seeing as how HIVE is a continuation of Steem and I don't think that any of these individuals intentionally voted for a chain split where the community went one way, and dPoS went the other... It seems only right to allow these 300 individuals the airdrop. If we don't, we're telegraphing that HIVE witnesses might take deleterious actions against your account, or even freeze your stake if you have an unpopular vote or opinion.

Many of these individuals are getting judged not just by their vote, but also by their publicly expressed opinions. Many saw this as a struggle against a communist takeover. But if we take exclusionary action or inaction against the low-level accounts that we copied over to the new chain, then it seems to me that we're telegraphing that we have a voting system akin to a communist-regime. You get a ballot of the approved inner-party candidates, and you can select from them and only them. No write-ins. Express dissenting opinions about the platform or regime and the system of governance will treat you differently.

You can look at these two chains as completely unrelated entities, or you can acknowledge history and how they are forever related to one another. I choose to see the connection and acknowledge that people ought to vote for whomever they want. But because of the inherent flaws, decentralization will break from time to time, and so will dPoS. When these things happen, the governance of the chain must keep the collateral damage down to a bare minimum.

Even if some of these folks hated the prior witnesses, or talked trash about HIVE, they did so after they were excluded. I would wager to guess that none of these people are a threat to the chain's decentralization now that the ninja mine is securely isolated, and if they choose to cause market action by leaving, then perhaps that's for the better. Que serรก, serรก, that's more, or maybe even cheaper HIVE for people who want to stay here, buy or invest.

I'm a sucker for free and fair elections, and a large part of this has to do with not meddling with, judging, and or vetting the way that people vote for the candidates they select. You might need to manually add this to your poll results, and sorry for the great wall of text. You wanted feedback, and since I'm passionate about the subject, I figured I'd oblige. I don't know why HIVE signer requires an active key for dpoll? Can you add keychain support?

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@razorwave8 · 
Dear @thoughts-in-time I agree with what you have said and I also agree the Hive Secondary Airdrop: For Individual Voters should be airdropped to these accounts . 
If anyone believes in freedom they should understand the right to a free vote without punishment . 
Here is an example in the united States people are receiving $1200 
If the United States did like Hive then everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton should not receive the $1200
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@thoughts-in-time · 
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I agree, razorwave8, and that's a great analogy. The sanctity of every individual's vote when you're electing leaders into governance is extremely important. When it gets undermined, it corrupts the entire system. A lot of things with blockchain have gotten turned on its head. E.g., wallets are normally opaque, and voting is generally a private affair in real life. The blockchain reverses these two entirely, eliminating privacy, and it causes people to meddle in the affairs of others when they ought not too. This destroys the intention of both wallets and voting. Can you imagine walking down the street and every person you pass knew how much money you have in your wallet, or had access to your purchase history? Or can you imagine going to the polls and getting jumped after you exit because of what candidate you chose to vote for? The blockchain is steadily trying to get us to conform to an abnormal system, and in this conforming, it expects us to be okay with making victims out of people in ways that we wouldn't dream of doing in the waking world. This is the insidious world of Skinneresque behaviouralism, where new and foreign systems are introduced that alter natural behavior. It's all fun and games now, but when we're on the federal blockchain and resist vaccination only to have funds withheld or confiscated, people will look back and feel pretty bad about their prior behavior and not respecting the liberty of other individuals.

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@timhorton · 
Voted for 
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@tobias-g · 
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@zaibkang · 
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@zelegations · 
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