My take on 9-11 and the truth movement by fabio

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politics · @fabio · Sep 11 '16 (edited)

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My take on 9-11 and the truth movement

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<p>When I'm talking about <strong>9-11</strong> I am completely aware that I do not really know what I am talking about. I don't know much about natural sciences in general, so I don't think I have anything meaningful to say about chemistry, physics, architecture, engineering, aviation etc.. So, I feel pretty handicapped when I try coming to any strong opinion on many of the most discussed topics like <strong>WTC 7</strong>. My opinion is pretty much:&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote>"A lot of things around 9-11 look extremely fishy, but I don't see any smoking gun yet, anything that could convince the public that their goverment had acted in a way that would make them lose their trust in it, but good thing there is the American Truth Movement to find out. I trust the guys as they are well intentioned."</blockquote>
<p>After meeting several Americans at Anarchapulco in February this year I realized I could not just stay agnostic on the topic because I was less affected than they were and I could not keep insulting them with my doubts in discussions when they were so utterly convinced that, for instance, building 7 had been brought down by controlled demolition.&nbsp;</p>
<p>So I decided to try once again to form a firm opinion on the matter and gain knowledge, to come close to something I would call "thruth". As <strong>WTC7</strong> is considered to be a smoking gun, I decided to focus on that single question in order to not get completely lost in the ocean of 9-11 theories. The first frustration on my trip to the thruth which cost me hours was that I was not able to find a single satisfying scholarly oxford style discussion with two equally well informed and well intentioned civilized debaters on the Internet, 15 years after the event. Either I really suck at googling or this says a lot about the deplorable state of the global debate culture on essential topics. The divide between "Truthers" and "Mainstream story believers" is so deep you hardly can watch them talk to each other online other than flame wars.</p>
<p>As I am generally biased towards the Truthers for obvious political reasons, I started in that camp and emerged in truthers videos and articles for a whole week-end. I picked the people at <a href="http://www.ae911truth.org/">http://www.ae911truth.org/</a> as main source, because well, I thought architects would obviously know wether and why some building collapses or not. Plus they had a high reputational risks doing so, in my perception, because which architects would want to be considered a "<strong>tinfoil-hat truther</strong>" if they were not really sure what they are talking about? After hours and hours of binge watching videos, the talk of a very reasonable sounding <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETu1Xq8AEB8">austrian construction engineer and explosion expert</a> (Sprengmeister) finally convinced me.&nbsp;</p>
<p>I now felt prepared for the "debunkers" and even turned kind of cocky and overconfident, as I could not imagine anymore how you could reasonably claim that <strong>WTC7 </strong>had not been a controlled demolition. The next logical step to me was to find a truther who had turned sceptic and listen to his reasoning and that's how I stumbled upon <strong>Charles Veitch</strong>, &nbsp;"<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/10079244/The-911-conspiracy-theorist-who-changed-his-mind.html">the 9/11 conspiracy theorist who changed his mind</a>, in an interview with an annoyingly arrogant young british dude named <strong>Myles Powers</strong>:</p>
<p>&lt;iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/r_UYZITc_90" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;</p>
<p>I did not like <strong>Myles </strong>condescending way towards "Truthers" in general, because I thought and still think there is enough to question on 9-11, just not as much as many Truthers think. After all, to quote <strong>Murray Rothbard</strong>:</p>
<blockquote>&nbsp;There are, of course, good conspiracy analysts and bad conspiracy analysts, just as there are good and bad historians or practitioners of any discipline. &nbsp;</blockquote>
<blockquote>https://mises.org/library/conspiracy-theory-history-revisited&nbsp;</blockquote>
<p>When I then saw that <strong>Myles </strong><a href="https://mylespower.co.uk/911-mini-series/">had a whole series of 9-11 debunking videos</a>, I thought this was to be a good intellectual challenge, as I even had to overcome my antipathy to even watch the guy to make him convince me.&nbsp;</p>
<p>And boy he did.</p>
<p>He utterly destroyed any doubt I was having about WTC7 and any other topic he covers in his series. Plus, I actually like him now and I like watching his videos and I consider him as a trusted well intentioned expert for fields I know little about.</p>
<p>&lt;iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/7PpsCCTMP8w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;</p>
<p>I still feel a lot of sympathy for the Truth Movement and support it in general, and that's why I am writing this, because I am honestly concerned about the seemingly widespread lack of intellectual self discipline which harms the whole liberty movement.</p>
<p>But this is in no way meant as an insult to anyone. I am simply back at square one, I have no real clue what really happened and I might change my mind again.</p>
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@akareyon · Sep 14 '16

Wir haben für kommenden Sonntag ein AMA mit Anthony Szamboti auf /r/911truth eingestielt. Der Mann ist "Mechanical Engineer", hat Ahnung und in der letzten "Oxford-Style"-Debatte mit "tfk" den Boden aufgewischt.

Myles "Argumente" sind ein Witz auf Rädern.

Die "smoking gun" ist die Art und Weise, wie die Zwillingstürme sich radialsymmetrischerweise von oben nach unten selbst zerlegt haben.

Die wissenschaftliche Methode: bau einen Turm. Lass das obere Viertel auf den Rest fallen. Beobachte, berichte, wiederhole.

Ab einem gewissen Schlankheitsgrad _knicken_ Türme. Sie fallen um. Wenn sie durch Schwerkraft "komprimieren", wird diese Bewegung sofort entschleunigt, da die Zerstörungsenergie nicht mehr als kinetische Energie zur Verfügung steht. Die Energie in einem geschlossenen System bleibt konstant.

Ich laufe seit fünf Jahren rum und fordere alle "Debunker" auf, mir ein Experiment vorzulegen, das die _offizielle_ Behauptung, der Einsturz sei "unvermeidlich" gewesen, in irgendeiner Weise unterstützt.

Mick West von Metabunk.org hat schließlich angebissen und ich hab mir eine Woche lang vor Brüllen auf den Schenkel geklopft, wie er versucht hat, ein magnetisches Regal zu basteln, mit 12 Böden und 2.5 Dimensionen, das gewackelt hat wie ein Lämmerschwanz und mit Ach und Krach so halbwegs geschafft hat, sich selbst zu zerlegen und dabei nicht annähernd so schnell war wie die Türme.

Man muß glauben, daß Stahlwolkenkratzer genauso gebaut wurden und werden, und sogar noch besser im Hinblick auf "Selbstzerstörung".

Das Dach des Nordturms hat es immerhin auf 64% der Freifallrate gebracht. Laut Newtonschen Gesetzmäßigkeiten bedeutet das, daß nur 36% der Kraft zur Verfügung stand, das Dingen überhaupt oben zu halten. Da Sicherheitsfaktoren einberechnet werden und die Türme locker über einen SF von 3 verfügten, kann man sagen, daß rund 90% der strukturellen Integrität _im gesamten Gebäude_ flöten gegangen sein müssen - von einem Flugzeugimpakt, der nur lokalisierten Schaden angerichtet hat (der Südturm wurde gerade mal ein bisschen ausgelenkt), und einer Kerosin-Verpuffung, die gerade mal die Bürofeuer starten konnte.

Ich steh Dir für Fragen, Diskussionen und Quellen im Chat zur Verfügung.

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@goldstein · Sep 11 '16 (edited)

$0.11

The best Video about 9/11 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
and this Series by Corbettreport :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl85JSvDmsA&list=PLN6xa7kD9dZ9gFFM6v6EloLGmQZFyeGqm

We will never know the whole Truth about what happened on 9/11 but one thing is for sure, the official Story is a lie

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@felixxx · Sep 11 '16

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best video on conspiracies is the south park episode about it :P

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@soldier · Sep 11 '16

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Great state of mind but I am pretty sure that we will never know what really happened ....

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@twinner · Sep 11 '16

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Man lernt immer noch dazu.

Heute: C.O.F.F. (Church Of Free Fall) 

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/49/49367/1.html

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