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· @felixxx ·
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Tragedy
I do not remember if I wrote this post before or not.

If I have, it was as random as this, but maybe I can do a better job now.

### Antigone
###
In school, I had to read Antigone by Sophokles.
Before we even started reading, our teacher explained that this piece was a classic Greek _tragedy_ and that meant, that there would be no happy end and that everybody died instead - as always.

It made absolutely no sense to me, why anyone would write such a story, to begin with. Consequently, it made even less sense for me to read that story.

## Why do I have to learn this ?
### I will never need that later in life
###
I was in luck and the plot is summed up quite easily.

Antigone has to bury her brother, who died fighting against the king and the king can not let her.
There is also a queen and a woman called Ismene and they are all relatives of Oedipus and inbred.
Because finally the king buries Antigone alive, the queen commits suicide and the king tries to dig up Antigone and when she is already dead, he kills himself, too. And everybody else also dies or is miserable.

That is at least, how I remember it.

The piece is a play, so there is a narrator, but mostly it is written as a dialogue.

There are different scenes, where all the characters explain themselves, and it becomes clearer and clearer, that each individual in this story knows that their actions will lead to an inevitable _tragedy_, but none of them can escape their role.

### Late realization
###
Surprisingly many of the things I had to learn in school, started to fall in place only later in life.

This is also why I still believe in a state-run, humanistic school model ... but that is for another post, maybe.

#### Those ancient Greeks were pretty clever.
###
Perhaps better: 
### Nothing new under the sun.
###
Whenever looking at global politics or things of that nature, I easily fall for the fallacy to single out an individual person, or group, or perhaps mindset, that causes _all this tragedy_. It seems to be part of how the human mind works; we try to categorize and generalize - unless you want to break down every single problem into its atomic parts, you kind of have to ...

In the real world, larger systems are too complex to analyze fully, especially when they involve human emotions and habits.

I am pretty sure this was common sense to Sophokles and his mates and his job was merely to make you understand each characters motivations and feel a sympathy for their role.

In the piece it is easy to see the king as the one, who could just give in and resolve the conflict, by just letting Antigone do her thing - until you get to the part where he explains himself ...
Even Ismene, who just tries to stay out of everything, by doing nothing, does the wrong thing.

So, if you are reading this and thought a particular person or group is to blame for whichever one _tragedy_ to unfold: **That is not how tragedies work.**

After all, the Greeks came up with it in the first place -They should know.
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@beatminister ·
Egal ob Griechen, Shakespear oder Braking Bad, es geht halt immer um Menschen (auch die griechischen Götterstories drehen sich um menschliche Schwächen) - und die haben sich nicht so viel verändert. Das Bühnenbild ist anders, aber die Inhalte der Geschichten nicht.
Daher ist die Frage, ob man die antiken Stories kennen muß, schon berechtigt. Man kann prima damit angeben. Aber die wichtigen Lektionen bringt einem das Leben auch so bei.
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@felixxx ·
Das stimmt so nur halb.

Manche Werke haben halt die Zeit überdauert und es fällt eben leichter komplexe Themen mit anderen zu kommunizieren, wenn sie die selben Geschichten gelesen haben. Breaking Bad Referenzen verstehe ich nur wenn ich relativ hip bin, aber Shakespeare kennt jede Oma.

Die Griechen sind nunmal so ziemlich die ersten, von denen wir gut lesbare Überlieferungen in Mengen haben. Und alles was bis heute entsteht baut unweigerlich darauf ursprünglich mal auf. - Alleine die Art und Weise, wie wir gerade schreiben wurde von den Jungs erfunden und von den Lateinern verfeinert und nun benutzen wir das als Buchstaben.

Wir stehen auf den Schultern von Riesen und so.
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@beatminister ·
Nun ja, das ist halt eine Frage der Umstände und des Zeitrahmens. Auch im antiken Griechenland wird wohl nicht jeder genau die Mythologie oder gar die Werke der (heute) berühmten Schriftsteller gekannt haben. Ebenso wenig wie die Europäer Shakespears Werke zu seiner Zeit. 
Hingegen war das "wirkliche Leben" den Leuten wohl immer bekannt - auf die eine oder andere Art. Und auch des Geschichtenerzählen ist sicher noch wessentlich älter als irgendwelche Literatur. Leider wohl auch immer vom Vergessen bedroht, ohne Niederschrift.
Und auch die alten Griechen sind ja nicht vom Himmel gefallen. Auch sie machten Anleihen bei noch älteren Kulturen, zB. den Ägyptern. Und einiges scheint ja sogar in früheste Zeitalter zu verweisen, was allerhand Rätsel aufgibt. 

Egal, ich schätze mal, es gibt heute mehr Leute die Breaking Bad gesehen haben, als die die wirklich die Ilias gelesen haben. Oder die originalen Shakespear Stories. 
Sicher, wir stehen auf den Schultern von unseren Vorfahren. Wie riesig die waren, ist eher Ansichtssache.
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@freiheit50 ·
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Awesome post with very considerable thoughts! As I learned ancient Greece language it was twice interesting for me. I also forgot many things which I had to learn. So you brought me back to school for a few moment. 
In politics, it seems to me that a unvisible hand is acting the politicians we see live on stage. And I fear for now many stories we are currently involved will become a tragedy in the end. Not only the EURO.
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@felixxx ·
Thanks ! Also: I agree - 
Just not that it is one single hand, that is pulling the strings, but different forces, which are acting independently, but in the end only play a part, which they can not escape.

___

Ich hatte Latein, aber dabei fällt auch etwas Griechisch ab - wenn ein Fremdwort nicht lateinisch ist, ist es meist griechisch und so lernt man wenigstens die eingedeutschten Worte automatisch, irgendwie.

Auf Englisch kann ich es nicht so gut erklären, aber auf Deutsch: Es gibt natürlich doch eine einzelne böse Macht, die die Fäden in der Hand hat:

>Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft,
Die stets das Böse will und ...
Ich bin der Geist, der stets verneint ...

Aber das ist natürlich eine metaphysische Angelegenheit und keine Person sondern eben etwas, das in jedem steckt.

Aber das wäre ein neuer Post und Faust ist nicht so richtig #woke
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@gaich ·
Thank you for your thoughts!
>So, if you are reading this and thought a particular person or group is to blame for whichever one tragedy to unfold: That is not how tragedies work.

Ok, i understand that know - after reading your post. ;-) So i have to take a new look at my time at school. Maybe there is an equal eyample in my liefe? I will think about it... LGG
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@felixxx ·
Depending on what you had to learn, there could be some hidden treasures in there :)
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@isnochys ·
I had to read in school those "Problembücher", books about kids, young adults, having issues. Mostly drug issues.
So boring, couldn't relate. Hated it, did read way better book in private.

Now, me grown up, still cannot relate.
Maybe in another 30 years I will know better?
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@felixxx ·
I am sorry that you were educated 'progressively'.

It does explain why you can not free yourself from the indoctrination and are scared to think on your own. 
Must have been hell.

If you ever want to talk about it - I will do my best to help you.
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@kadna ·
Interessante Gedanken... ich mochte noch nie Bücher/Filme, die "schlecht" ausgehen und Tragödien verstehe ich auch nicht. Deine Quintessenz gefällt mir
>...and thought a particular person or group is to blame for whichever one tragedy to unfold: That is not how tragedies work.

Auch deinen Seitenzweig zur Schule kann ich nachvollziehen - einiges merkt man erst später, dass es doch nützliches Wissen ist. ;-) LG Kadna
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@felixxx ·
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'Wozu brauche ich das später ?' Ist eine blöde Frage, wenn man humanistisch unterrichtet wird.
Wurde mir aber erst über die Zeit bewusst.

Ich kann mittlerweile Bücher geniessen, die schlecht ausgehen.
Hemingway, allerdings, verkrafte ich immer noch nur schwer.
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@moon32walker ·
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The book made you think, that was the goal, it's was never about the outcome of the book, it's all about the journey, the characters and their stories. 
Then you made some interesting conclusions about life. There you have it, woke :)
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@pompe72 ·
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@reiseamateur · (edited)
Ich mußte in der Schule immer lesen:
"Der Bauer als Millionär" und "Jedermann"
nicht zu vergessen; "den Erlkönig"
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@felixxx ·
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Davon hatte ich nur den Erlkönig. Und auch nicht immer.
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