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· @foxon ·
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Masks and Covid: Why Do You Think Masks Don't Help?
Around Hive, there have been several posts claiming that wearing masks is a scam, or that everyone wearing masks wouldn't accomplish anything to slow the spread of viral disease


![image.png](https://files.peakd.com/file/peakd-hive/foxon/qNwdfg15-image.png)


Most of this claim isn't backed up with anything, but sometimes there are citations and links to irrelevant information. Most of the links indicate "wearing a mask doesn't stop you from getting infected". This is long known information, and was the reason that many people got the message "wearing a mask doesn't do anything". It's not information relevant to slowing the spread of disease, and thus opening up hospital space by reducing the number of active cases at any one time

Rather than try to track everyone down, maybe people could come here and let me know what their thinking is

Reviews of literature make it clear that wearing masks in a community significantly slows transmission of viral disease in general, and Covid19 specifically. Here's a recent summary of available information: https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

Reasoning from principles indicates the same:
1. There's a lot of virus in snot and spit (it's how it spreads)
2. Masks reduce the amount of snot and spit being sprayed into a room
Therefore, wearing masks reduces the amount of virus being sprayed into a room

### Here are some fun videos showing why mask usage likely works as seen in the previously mentioned evidence
Mythbusters slow motion sneezes:
https://go.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/slow-motion-sneezes/

Slow motion, various masks, various activities from a group at University of New South Wales:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s

Slow motion, 4k of how a mask impacts the spraying of spit and snot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs

So what do you think?

Why would wearing masks within a given population not reduce the risk of disease transmission during a pandemic?

What flaws are in the evidence or reasoning?

Y'all have good
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@cmplxty ·
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Part of my issue is that we are designed to get sick and get over it. This idea of slowing the spread actually just prolongs the inevitability of you getting something that is relatively normal and not very harmless, statistically speaking. Get it and get it over with. No masks. 
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@cwow2 ·
Sweden tried this Brother and it didn't work x)
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@foxon · (edited)
It prolongs the inevitability of the getting it, sure, but enough people have severe enough reactions that places run out of hospital and morgue space

As the hospitals run out of space, they have to cancel other treatments or turn people away that would otherwise be able to receive care for non covid19 issues

If El Paso has good mask compliance, they wouldn't be stacking bodies in trucks

If Idaho had good mask compliance, they wouldn't be turning people away from the hospitals

Did someone or something give you the impression that the goal was to stop people from getting covid19 altogether? Or is it something else - like the hospitals are trying to trick us, or the morgue is in kahoots with some scheme?

edit:
Thank you for replying! It's good to get a perspective I hadn't even considered: the idea that there's no harm in the rate of spread
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@cmplxty · (edited)
Things are too politicized and hyperbolic. 
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@cwow2 ·
Ye well. People are idiots foxon x)
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@disregardfiat ·
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKmSvyTOJc
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@foxon ·
Without the mask, that vape would be shooting straightforward several feet. The mask keeps it around his head. Looks about the same as what's shown in the videos from the main post

Yes, I have a huge vape 😂

The masks he's demonstrating appear to do exactly what is expected and demonstrates why it helps stop the spread, most of the material expelled stays around the human expelling it and is given more time to dry before interacting with other humans. Literally, the benefit of the mask is to not shoot bodily fluids on to other humans. The videos in root post and this one show exactly that benefit

Do you think a lot of people were under the assumption that the mask somehow filtered all the outgoing air and cleaned it of virus? That would definitely explain some of the stuff I see
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@disregardfiat ·
Cover you cough... wear a mask if you're sick. Get in a car and your Uber driver is sick... the mask is unlikely to help. 

Studies before this year couldn't even show masks helped in OR conditions. The Danish mask study found no effect any way they sliced the data but couldn't get it published until they said this somehow proves more people needed masks. 

I'm not against people wearing masks, but the government set up HIPAA and basically backed themselves into a corner. They can't mandate them at large, and there is no evidence they should. 

Why this is a touchy subject... mostly just feelings. It's easier to virtue signal than to make less trips out and stay at home. Overall mortality didn't even change. Sweden did nothing and had approximately the same number of deaths as 2018, and had three worse flu seasons in my life. 

Worst death rates were in heavily locked down countries like Peru. The only thing this looks like is Government killing people to me, if not from Orwellian lock downs with the famines and poverty that will ensue. 
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@edicted ·
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It's funny because no one made this argument before COVID. 
If you asked anyone before COVID they'd tell you masks probably do help.
Now the issue has been weirdly politized. 
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@ddrfr33k ·
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In other countries (especially east asia), it's considered polite to wear a mask when you have the common cold.  That way, you're spreading less of whatever crud you picked up with the people around you. For densely populated areas like Tokyo or Shanghai, this is actually a really important thing for reducing the spread of whatever crud is going around!

What I find especially fascinating is how this is becoming a government mandate instead of a "don't be a dick" campaign. You would think that people would be more concerned with how they look to others, especially in the era of social media.  Look at r/publicfreakout. They've had a field day with the Karens flipping shit over mask policies.  Nobody in their right mind ever wants to be featured on there.  It's a mark of ridicule, a point of derision, to be feature there.  If you show up on there, you're an idiot and:

https://i.imgur.com/UuwsDTI.gif

I would think a campaign to not be ridiculed for being obtuse would work better for ensuring compliance and convincing others to consider the lives of those around them.
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@foxon ·
It is interesting how it became a hot button issue. Presumably, some of it is the "DON"T  TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" knee-jerk reaction that hopefully everybody has 😅
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@itharagaian ·
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I do wear my mask, to avoid infecting others, cause I could, maybe be infected with no symptoms without knowing it.

I am ashamed that other people do not follow that simple politness gesture.
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@foxon ·
That's a good point that I don't think had come up in this thread. If we only mask when we feel sick, the spread doesn't really slow down much

Thank you for your consideration of others! It isn't always easy to care, but it really makes the world a much nicer place
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@jin-out · (edited)
This goes to show what we thought we knew about viruses and disease transmissions are all misinformation...

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@poshbot · (edited)
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@revo ·
Some people prefer to believe in ridiculous conspiracies.  Once they've hit that point, I don't think they can be salvaged.  Fucking idiots.
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@rishi556 ·
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@small1axe ·
Yeah buddy , keep re-breathing your own shit true that face cloth , make a nice bio-hazard from it , keep it warm by breathing , make it grow big .. very very healthy indeed . Throw it away in nature , make more animals choke on it , be a good brave human ,... listen to Fauchi , worship Bill , ... and never think for yourself in any way . ... What a bright light you are !
Well , i think one day you will solve yourself , .. the problem , lol .  
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@jin-out ·
Preach!
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@yahialababidi ·
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I appreciate this sane and socially-responsible post. If we all spread facts, not fiction & thought of others, beside ourselves, we’d be in better shape, now!
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@zoe24 ·
Thanks for the post about the topic

https://swprs.org/covid-masks-review/
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@foxon · (edited)
This is like one of those things I mentioned where the data ~~does~~doesn't back up the claim. I clicked through the link, read the source... and they say there isn't a lot of data and controlled experiments were limited (not done on a whole town or country or whatever)

They conclude the mask section with:
> In theory, transmission should be reduced the most if both infected members and other contacts wear masks, but compliance in uninfected close contacts could be a problem (12,34). Proper use of face masks is essential because improper use might increase the risk for transmission (39). Thus, education on the proper use and disposal of used face masks, including hand hygiene, is also needed

How someone can read that and reach the conclusion that masks don't help reduce the rate of infection is strange to me. It is misinformation with a link to real information... and the real information doesn't back the claim. I see a lot of this going around twitter. I assume most people just aren't clicking through to review the sources
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@zoe24 ·
Unfortunately, medical issues have become politicized. It's like asking a physicist to calculate how beautiful a picture is.
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